[ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover

Tue Aug 17 15:46:29 BST 2004

Hi Rob

Thanks for the info;  no I didn't check Weekley and probably should have but
somehow had in mind that they have gone out of business.  Am I confusing
them with another UK supplier?  I did check the Wadhams web site and see
that they have "progressive rate springs at GBP 38 each (USD 70).  By
comparison, the Australian company sells the springs for AUD 82 each (USD
59) so they are a bit cheaper but with shipping costs, it is probably a
wash.  I will contact both Weekley and Wadhams to see what technical info I
can gather.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Pinner" <robert at clocksoft.com>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover

> You do know you can buy variable rate springs from Ray Weekleys in the
> UK for about 50.00 pounds per pair?
> I realise the exchange rate isn't brilliant and there will be freight to
> pay on top, but even so, it sounds like a much cheaper option.
> I've fitted them to every P6 I've owned and although I can't speak
> scientifically about them, I have always been pleased with the results.
>
> Ray Weekleys number is +44 1205 87080 from outside the UK.
>
> The previous owner of my car was a keen tower. He'd made some spring
> seats which raised the rear by about 1.5 inch. They fitted in the spring
> pan on the lower arm. If I remember corrcectly they were turned from a
> solid lump of steel and weighed at least as much as the springs.
>
> They are lurking in the garage somewhere if someone wants a picture but
> basically they look like this:
>
>
> |_________|
>    |     |
>
>
> Rob
>
>
> Fritz Rauschenberg wrote:
> > Tom
> > Keep us posted on the "spring thing", I may want to follow that same
course on my '69
> > TC.
> > Fritz Rauschenberg
> > Atlanta, GA
> >
> > Tom Trafton wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>Thanks for the advice.  BTW I forgot to mention that the lead to King
Spring
> >>Works was provided by "Dave of South Oz", a fellow Rovernetter.   I'll
ask
> >>King Spring what the characteristics of their front springs are, to see
if a
> >>proper balance could be maintained.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:05 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover
> >>
> >>
> >>>I reckon they would make it oversteer, unless you change the front rate
> >>>similarly.
> >>>I put standard 3500 springs in the rear of the TC and it oversteered,
> >>>handling was fixed when I put the 3500 front springs in (170lb/in vs
> >>>150lb/in).
> >>>Rover did understand handling balance, and that is the biggest
difference
> >>>between a Honda and a Rover when they shared models.  Rover reworked
the
> >>>suspension.
> >>>
> >>>PVS
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Tom Trafton [mailto:v8rover at earthlink.net]
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2004 9:57 am
> >>>To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> >>>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Paul
> >>>
> >>>Thought I would pass on this link to you which you may find of interest
> >>>http://www.kingsprings.com/Kings%20Master%20Catalogue%20041103.pdf
> >>>
> >>>It is for King Spring Works down on your continent (Ashmore City,
> >>>Queensland, know where that is?).  Anyway, they sell rear springs for
the
> >>
> >>P6
> >>
> >>>(one size fits all, according to them) which have a very high spring
rate
> >>
> >>of
> >>
> >>>330 lb/inch, 10% higher than the heavy duty 3500 springs listed.  I am
> >>>wondering if these may be too stiff.  What is your opinion on this?
> >>>
> >>>BTW they don't list any of the spring parameters on their web site but
I
> >>
> >>did
> >>
> >>>ask and got the following info:  free lenght = 335 mm,  wire dia = 16
mm,
> >>
> >>ID
> >>
> >>>= 110 mm    I checked their claim of  k=330 lb/in and got 336 lb/in,
> >>
> >>making
> >>
> >>>some assumptions about the number of active coils and the compressed
> >>
> >>height.
> >>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>
> >>>Tom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> >>>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:50 PM
> >>>Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>3500s had at least two grades btw; never seen a Heavy Duty set but
they
> >>
> >>do
> >>
> >>>>exist.
> >>>>I also haven't seen any sagged 2000 springs, probably since 2000s
didn't
> >>>
> >>>get
> >>>
> >>>>used for towing much.
> >>>>3500 springs are shorter so the ride height is the same if you just
swap
> >>>>them.
> >>>>I run 195/75 tyres on the rear of the SC, 185/70 on the front and that
> >>>>raises the rear a fair bit.
> >>>>Do the front springs too to retain roll balance (which affects
oversteer
> >>>
> >>>big
> >>>
> >>>>time), but I think the roll bars are identical.
> >>>>
> >>>>PVS
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Tom Trafton [mailto:v8rover at earthlink.net]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, 13 August 2004 11:39 am
> >>>>To: RoverNet Mailing List
> >>>>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Raising the Rover
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Has anyone tried to raise the rear end of a P6 to compensate for
sagging
> >>>>springs?  I would like to get the ride height up a bit;  the manual
says
> >>>>that shims up to 3/8 inch can be used but I want to go as high as 1
inch
> >>>>(2.54 cm for those of you out there in civilized countries using a
> >>
> >>decent
> >>
> >>>>system of measurement).  Also per Paul Smith's suggestion,  I want to
> >>>>replace the springs with those from a P6B to get the ride a bit
stiffer.
> >>>
> >>>I
> >>>
> >>>>am thinking that the higher spring rate of the P6B rear springs will
> >>
> >>keep
> >>
> >>>>the car higher but I don't know how much higher since I don't know the
> >>>>spring rate for the 2000 TC springs.  The manual gives no stiffness
> >>>>information, just free length and color code.  Anyone know the spring
> >>
> >>rate
> >>
> >>>>for these springs?  (260 lb/in for the 3500 springs)  Anyone tried to
> >>
> >>shim
> >>
> >>>>beyond the recommended max value?   All help gratefully accepted:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>Tom
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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