[ROVERNET - UK] People who buy Rovers

Tue Apr 8 04:50:54 BST 2008

David
 I'm on Rovernet because of a life long addiction to old Rovers . As with other addictions it makes no real sense !I started with a 
1939 14 Hp and worked my way through a  1947 P2 , Series 1 land rover, and a 10 yr rebuild of a P3 .I drove a P4 110  works hack 
around the UK as a young engineer  I now have a P6B [ the last of the " proper Rovers ' ?? ] as a sort of 3D mechanical X word 
puzzle for my old age .
My original point was that the P6 was unecessarily complicated [ as were some of my previous Rovers , the P3 clutch actuating 
mechanism is a piece of inspired lunacy masquerading as superb mechanical engineering design . The P3  hydro mechanical brakes were 
not as good as the P2 rod brakes }
 My Volvos were a much simpler, cheaper, and more efficient form of every day  transport . Their lack of "sophisticated enginering" 
did not result in inferior real life , on the road ,performance and probably increased their reliability .I would happily rebuild 
another Volvo 122S, if I could find one in the same basic condition as my P6B. I'd even go rallying with it !
 Cheers
 Patrick  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Sheuring" <rovertcv8 at yahoo.com>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] People who buy Rovers

> Patrick,
> If you liked the Volvo so much, then why are you here on the Rovernette???????????????????
> David
> Proud owner of 4 Rover sedans!!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: phing <phing at videotron.ca>
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 12:27:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] People who buy Rovers
>
> Glen
> Rover never built an " estate car ' If one had an " estate ' one had a fleet of Land Rovers and a staff to ferry one and one's
> guests, guns etc  to the shootin' and tow the hoss boxes to the  huntin ' The peons rode their Rover safety bicycles to their
> duties.Rover eventually introduced the Range Rover for the nouveau riche owner driver , the sort of feller  who probably drove
> vulgar Jaguars on the road
> Setriously my 122S Volvo with a Ruddspeed performance package  was cheaper , faster , better built, had more  interior room and a
> bigger trunk, than a P6  .It was a great rally car , mine was hammered unmercifully and wouldn't break .For its era it was as good
> looking as the P6 . Sticking the spare wheel on the trunk lid didn't help the P6's looks or rearward  vision .It did emphasise the
> Land Rover connection
> I never saw the point of the De Dion axle , all the complications of IRS and none of the advantages . It was effectively most of 
> a
> well located solid axle  , with  disc brakes hidden inboard and  the added confusion a sliding joint. The Volvo had a well located
> solid axle , no sliding joint ,  accesible outboard disc brakes and an intelligent hand brake . You could argue abstruse benefits 
> of
> reduced %unsprung weight , but this was not apparent in real life .
> Cheers
> patrick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] People who buy Rovers
>
>
>> phing wrote:
>>> Glen
>>> It's a pity Rover didn't invest in competent dealers who were equally , "interesting , stylish and better appointed" . The
>>> Toronto Rover shop in the 60s was manned by a bunch of effettee pseudo " English gents ' who looked down on the punters who
>>> fought their way through the pottted palms to see the ' motors ' .Their  general attitude was  " One invests in a Wover , one
>>> doesn't need to test drive a superior motor. A gentleman does not discuss price ; one's man looks after such sordid details "
>>> Their incompetence, Rover's evil reputation for variable quality control  and the ridiculous size of the P6 trunk were the
>>> reasons I bought two brick out house Volvos in the 60s
>>> Cheers
>>> Patrick
>>
>> Well, I don't think the P6 trunk was "ridiculously" small. If you want to give up the styling or and the DeDion rear suspension,
>> you can have a bigger trunk. It's possible to design a good-looking car with a big trunk, but there are trade-offs. The original
>> P4 boot was vastly more sexy than the later P4 rear end.
>>
>> Besides, Patrick, you man will load the fitted luggage for you anyway, so why complain?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Offering a model line for sale in the United States in 1960's without a station wagon (estate) probably indicated that Rover was
>> just trying to sell a few cars as a boutique marque rather than making a serious attempt to sell a lot of cars in the USA.  Rover
>> automobiles actually sold pretty well in the USA given the small amount of effort Rover invested in the undertaking.
>>
>> And, of course, you could buy a lot of car in the USA for the $4300 Rover wanted for the sporty new 3500S by 1969. The Pontiac 
>> GTO
>> hardtop sold for a base price of $3,080 in 1969.  The convertible model sold at a base price of $3,553. For a lot of Americans,
>> that was not quite even a no-brainer. The Buick Electra 225 was about equal in price to the 3500S at $4,400, if you wanted luxury
>> and trunk space!
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> Glen
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