[ROVERNET - UK] Old Rovers market in Italy

Marc Stainier marc.stainier at belgacom.net
Fri May 19 15:23:03 BST 2006


Hi Gianluca !
I see that we have the same problems worlwide.
Except that a labour hour is between 40 to 50 Euros in Belgium and Luxemburg 
!

By the way, Rover ownership is a perpetual fight against all that stuff !
But, we can be proud to own and cherish "something else" or, like the 
British say " a piece of British motoring History"
You certainly know that quality is choice of life ! I just prefer "something 
else" than popular or usual stuff !
That's my point of view !
...and, as I can see, I'm not alone !

Regards
Marc


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruotolo Gianluca (DD)" <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Cc: "Guido De Pace" <depace at kappa.it>; <massimo at erregi.it>; "Lombardo 
Marcello (DD)" <marcello.lombardo at enel.it>; <marco at cerberustechnologies.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: R: [ROVERNET - UK] Old Rovers market in Italy


> Hi netters,
>
> I've read your interesting mails about old cars market and I do have 
> smthng more to tell you about.
>
> Old cars market in Italy is not very up nowadays, and people here prefer 
> to buy old Alfas ( I also have one) old Lancia, old Fiat ( especially 
> coupè).
> Also german cars are looked for, and between the english ( they don't 
> understand) especially Jaguars.
>
> Rolls and american cars are very rare.
>
> Now, let' s speak about rovers market and about some cases I directly 
> know.
> P5 are rare and are becoming rarer, so it is difficult to see one, and 
> more and more to find one.
> Four years ago I found a black saloon in Torvaianica,nearby rome.
> It was for sale after the man who had found it in a garage wanted to 
> dismantle it to restore it completely, but he did not manage to do it.
> That car was still working ( before the " reparation" ) and was in average 
> conditions, so in other hands it would have been an easy project.
> I know a white p5 in Udine, belonging to a medicine doctor, in very good 
> conditioons and and another white one belonging to a friend of the 
> registro italiano rover, who has also a P6.
> By the way, this man is now looking for a Princess, which by us is 
> difficult to find, so please let me know.
>
> Prices of good P5 are quite high, for a very good one they could ask you 
> 10.000 euro or more, an average one could be cheaper and a bad one very 
> cheap.
>
>
> On the other hand, as you know p6 was a grat success all over the world 
> and had a great great success also in italy.
> Now, by us, it is difficult to see one but you can still find some cars 
> for sale, on e-bay especially or on Ruoteclassiche or La Manovalla, which 
> are our classic cars and Classic and sports.
> In my opinion, the enormous P6 success ( as you know approx. 330.000 were 
> built) was a problem fot its short- time evaluation as a vintage car.
>
> If you think only 85.000 jag xj6 werw built, and their price is nowadays 
> more or less double in spite of the problems these cars suffer, you can 
> understand what I mean.
>
>
> As I said , by us is not difficult to find a P6 for sale, but is very 
> difficult to find a good one.
> In my opinion one- owner, low - mileage car are nowadays quite rare.
> A friend of the registro find a series II one, belonging to the director 
> of a Casinò, which had covered more or less 75.000 km, but, after a long 
> rest, the car was not so good and the engine broke down, so he had to 
> change the pistons and others pieces.
> So, at the hand he spent more or less 5000 euro alltoghether.
>
> Another friend in Udine bought a yellow one, rust free, good engine, 
> average leather interior, 200.000 km covered.
> I know the former owner and he got a bargain, he had the car since 1984.
> The new owner payed it more or less 1500 euros and that car is very good, 
> it only needs a new steering box.
>
> In this cases there is a big difference between the cars market offers 
> you.
> You must be expert and lucky or you'll buy a real lemon.
> When I bought mine, in 2000, there was a dark green one for sale in 
> tuscany for about 10 millions of lire ( which is 5000 euro) but I thought 
> it were too much.
> If I had bought it, I would have saved money.
>
> Apart from these cases, gereal problems are:
>
> 1. prices ( they are down nowadays for a lot of old cars, also due to Euro 
> economical crisis, and rovers are not preferred ones) ;
>
> 2. conditions ( as I told you good cars are well priced, for a good p6 you 
> could ask also 5000 - 7000 euro ). Of course you can ask, then yoou have 
> to sell it.
>
> 3. craftsmen. In italy, nowadays, it is difficult to find a good craftman, 
> so, if you have to repaint a car it is very difficult.
> They only want to work on new cars they can repair work rapidly and ask 
> money for, because working on old cars you don't earn enough.
>
> For example, to repaint completely a p6, they could tell you they need 
> from 75 - 80 hours up to 100, or also ( which is in my opinion a theft) 
> 200 hours.
> If you need 100 hours, if you pay 25 euro a hour at the end it's 2500 
> euro.
> Then, if you need 5 kg of paint which could aldo be 100 euro a kg, it's 
> 500 only for the paint.
> Then you have to pay the oven, and at the end you'll have to pay more or 
> less 3000 euro.
>
> And they could also ask you double.
> At the end, they don't want to repair old cars.
>
> If Ruoteclassiche evaluation for a P6 is 3000 euro ( 3500 for a v8) you 
> understand everything.
>
> Now, have a look at these rusty rats on e-bay, and tell me how many hours 
> you need to repair them.
> And wich could be their economic value?
>
> vendo rover 2000 TC DA RESTAUREARE Numero oggetto: 4634931890
>
> ROVER 2000 TC ANNO 1976 Numero oggetto: 4633073153
> This second one looks good, but it loses gasoline and bonnets open with 
> difficult due to rust. I can' t imagine what you'll find taking away the 
> wings.
>
> http://www.novautosoncini.it/occasioniCat.asp?c=Vetture+d%27Epoca
> Hasve a look here and click rover, you'll find a p6 tobacco leaf, probably 
> seized, who has been sitting for years, for a high price.
>
> Nowadays,by us, you must find a good and well mantained one; you don't 
> have problems if you are able to do some works on your own, so you must 
> became an expert!
>
> This is also what I read on P6 drivers club site: chose the best p6 you 
> can afford or buy, or you'll have to spend a lot of money!!
>
>
> These are the problems of restoring our beloved old cars in Italy.
>
> I'm not the first who says this, but if it's easy to find one, could be 
> quite difficult to find a good one.
>
>
> Best regards, Gianluca.
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com] Per conto di Rod Blair
> Inviato: venerdì 19 maggio 2006 11.27
> A: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Oggetto: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] So why is it so hard to find a Rover in the U 
> S?
>
>
> Hi Rovernetters
> I've read with interest all the postings regarding the
> dearth of Rovers in the US.
> Fortunately, the opposite exists here in Australia. It
> is very hard to find buyers for "real" Rovers ~ P2,
> P3, P4, P5, P6. Even if they are "project" cars, a
> 20ft container load, including a sound car and enough
> spares to virtually build another car can be sent to
> the US for $2500 - $3000 AU. I assume that similar
> situations exist elsewhere.
> The worldwide demand for steel is causing many
> otherwise restoreable cars to be sent to the wreckers
> for their scrap value. On a regular basis, I am
> offered Rovers by people who know I'm an enthusiast
> and who have no further use for the cars and as I'm
> the Editor of the P4 Drivers Guild of Australia
> magazine, I'm  asked to advertise these for sale,
> usually without a successful sale being completed.
> As  examples, I have been trying to find a buyer for a
> rare model ~ a 1947 P2 12 HP saloon (when was the last
> time you saw one of these??) which is complete
> (partially dismantled) and in need of restoration . No
> one is interested even though the price is around
> $US500 and it could probably be had for much less. Two
> Cyclops for the same amount for both ~ one of them a
> square instrument model!!!
> Down at the heel but eminently restoreable P5s and P6s
> struggle to find new owners due in the main I think
> to the relatively small population in Australia. If
> they are sold, they "go" for a pittance.
> Of course, the better examples usually manage to
> attract a buyer, especially if they are useable from
> day 1.
> The market for old cars is supposedly a cyclical thing
> ~ perhaps here in Australia we are at the bottom of
> the cycle. Let's hope so anyway.
>
> Rod Blair
> Cyclops X 7
> 1954 90 X 2
> 1963 110
> 1962 P5 3 litre
> 1972 P5B Saloon
> 1973 P6 B
>
>
>
>
> --- Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au> wrote:
>
>> You've hit the nail Ali.
>> Alvin has All the SD1s, Kent has the rest.
>>
>> PVS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Ali Al-Abbasi
>> Sent: Friday, 19 May 2006 9:06 am
>> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
>> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] So why is it so hard to
>> find a Rover in the US?
>>
>>
>> Apart from Kent having them all?
>>
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