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From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 00:39:06 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <SNT101-DS1166603D69F497BCECC7DDB58B0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I do not have a wiring diagram for your car, but it sounds very much like a coincidence. I would suggest that it was just a poor connection that cured itself from the vibration of driving. You might want to trace the circuits involved, cleaning the connections as you go along. They could very well opperate off of the same fuse circuit. The fuse box would be a good place to start. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Boasberg" <aboasberg at webtv.net> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:15:23 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional signals ceased working. I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? Why would both these functions be so ?sensitive to the outside temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? Thanks. Albert To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100901/f9e21c17/attachment.html> From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Sep 1 03:41:57 2010 From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:41:57 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus References: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <EAE51AB79056472C8D624D504F83D433@SN037535920331> The Air Con is fed from fuse 24-23 which in turn is the heater fuse in UK spec cars and is listed as 15 amps. However there are feeds to a 6RA relay which in turn maybe earthed at the same point as the direction indicators, so this may well be the common point where the connection is poor. That said I am re-assembling a LHD 3500S at present and I have electrical issues which seem to point to the fuse box connectors being slightly correded. Just removing the fuses and cleaning the connectors is proving beneficial. Warmest regards Mark Gray Editor, Driving Force The Rover P6 Club ----- Original Message ----- From: <slatskars at comcast.net> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus > > > I do not have a wiring diagram for your car, but it sounds very much like > a coincidence. I would suggest that it was just a poor connection that > cured itself from the vibration of driving. You might want to trace the > circuits involved, cleaning the connections as you go along. They could > very well opperate off of the same fuse circuit. The fuse box would be a > good place to start. > > > > Slats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert Boasberg" <aboasberg at webtv.net> > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:15:23 PM > Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus > > When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all > I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional > signals ceased working. > > I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I > tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also > worked. > > Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? > > Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside > temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > > Thanks. > > Albert > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100901/f9e21c17/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From magnet at roverclub.org Wed Sep 1 06:24:18 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> References: <405091.37097.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl> I second that! Many thanks! -- Bill D. =========================================== Henry Manwell wrote: > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric. Nice presentation. > > Hank > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > From bsaunders at firstva.com Wed Sep 1 06:50:17 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <SNT101-DS1166603D69F497BCECC7DDB58B0@phx.gbl> References: <SNT101-DS1166603D69F497BCECC7DDB58B0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <357A1A6EAC9046319D3F61B29C14F261@SD1> Sounds like you have one of those Lucas ground wires that prefers a cooler climate. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Albert Boasberg Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:15 PM To: Rovernet Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional signals ceased working. I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? Thanks. Albert To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 08/31/10 02:34:00 From irishrover1 at live.com Wed Sep 1 07:04:44 2010 From: irishrover1 at live.com (ben rodgers) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:04:44 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet ] Ben Saunders-Gear Box??? 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Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From gbbourque at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 07:24:35 2010 From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:24:35 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl> References: <405091.37097.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <AANLkTikG50=3gvJARNSwzfZVd2BxW1LQ6jY7ZJsLRebu@mail.gmail.com> The Rover get together photos were great to see! I had alot of fun and was impressed with the distance that everybody traveled from to attend! Garrett Bourque Jefferson, Maine On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> wrote: > I second that! Many thanks! > > -- Bill D. > > =========================================== > > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > >> Thanks to you and Steve, Eric. Nice presentation. >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100901/176aaa4e/attachment.html> From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 10:49:11 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia Message-ID: <473740.28153.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Once again, I am making an appeal to Rovernet subscribers to remember to format their email to the Rovernet mailing list to be in Plain Text. Rich Text or HTML is *pretty*, with the ability to make bold faced statements or select from a variety of font types, and insert graphical smilie faces. This is all done through the use of invisible HTML code. It is a known method for hackers to insert malicious code which would them be spread across all the unsuspecting members of the Rovernet. I fight a constant battle against SPAMsters sending a blast of junk to the list. The server stops it it and then sends it to me for approval to post. I am sure you don't want to know about sexual enhancement products, warnings that your accounts have been frozen at PayPal, HSBC, Barclay's Bank,TD bank, etc., etc. not to mention the Nigerian bank transfer schemes that come from more places than Nigeria. Subscribers who read a Rovernet message and who try to respond without noticing that their email message format is not set for Plain Text sometimes send me a message of concern. When I check their message header, it usually says, "multipart/alternative". This means that the message is huge as it contains a Plain Text version of the message, all the HTML code to spruce up a message and then the message again but with bold face or coloured text, etc. The Rovernet server has a message size limit which is a protection for subscribers against large HTML generated messages, sometimes with large attachments. Subscribers who have telephone dial-up or who like to read messages on their Blackberry or iPhone prefer Rovernet messages which are size manageable and devoid of malware. So,..... another plea: Please use only Plain Text when sending to the Rovernet and please don't send us attachments. There are other ways to make pictures available to the group. I will end with a copy/paste on the subject from another authority. Eric List Admin ************************************************************ Have you considered joining a discussion-based e-mail list? There are many lists available for meeting people, sharing ideas, or general chitchat about particular subjects. While many lists are open to everyone, one rule you should follow is to always post in plain-text format. Many e-mail programs such as Microsoft Outlook default to HTML mail, meaning that you can post in color, different fonts, bold text, etc. However, many mailing lists contain members that either don't have such functionality or choose not to use it. Posting mail your normal way might result in some angry messages, or worse yet, getting you banned from the list. Before joining a mailing list and posting, first see what the rules are about using HTML mail. If the list prohibits it or you notice that all messages are in plain-text format, check your e-mail software's help files or documentation for information on how to disable graphical e-mail. For example, see the below screenshot for how to send an individual e-mail in plain-text with Outlook 2003: http://malektips.com/mailing-list-plain-text.html "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 10:54:50 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So much time has passed since: Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 participants, posted RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned the address on the Rovernet. Please post the URL again. I'd like to insert links on our photo page. Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours otherwise we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and England. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> wrote: > From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM > I second that!? Many thanks! > > -- Bill D. > > =========================================== > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > presentation. > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > >??? > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 10:59:34 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikG50=3gvJARNSwzfZVd2BxW1LQ6jY7ZJsLRebu@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <906495.10610.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Garrett, You are absolutely right. It is impossible to convey in words the level of energy that is created in me when I am able to visit old and new Rover enthusiasts such as yourself at Dirk's Rover event. It's the largest Rover event in North America. The feeling is medicinal, fact or myth - who cares. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com> wrote: > From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:24 AM > The Rover get together photos were > great to see!? I had alot of fun and was > impressed with the distance that everybody traveled from to > attend! > Garrett Bourque > Jefferson, Maine > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > wrote: > > > I second that!? Many thanks! > > > > -- Bill D. > > > > =========================================== > > > > > > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > > >> Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > presentation. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your > settings go to this page. Be > >> sure to scroll down the whole page. > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. Be > > sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100901/176aaa4e/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From DevlinS at bp.com Wed Sep 1 11:00:41 2010 From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:00:41 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl> <841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DED@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Hi Eric, You say your are off to the UK, are you coming to the Lake District RSR rally www.lakesrally.com in three weeks Eric? It would be good to meet up. Regards Stewart Devlin -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Russell Sent: 01 September 2010 16:55 To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures So much time has passed since: Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 participants, posted RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned the address on the Rovernet. Please post the URL again. I'd like to insert links on our photo page. Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours otherwise we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and England. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> wrote: > From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM I second that!? Many > thanks! > > -- Bill D. > > =========================================== > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > presentation. > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > >??? > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From burkhaj at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 11:03:34 2010 From: burkhaj at earthlink.net (John Burkhard) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus Message-ID: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> Hi Albert Lets start with the easy part first. The directional signals are not related to the A/C system, power or ground. Check for a blown fuse, burned out bulbs or a bad flasher unit. As for the location of the flasher unit, I would start looking around under the dash near the steering column. Now for the fun part. The A/C system has three main systems, electrical, refringent and air flow that depends on engine vacuum. At this point I would take your car the best A/C shop in town. It may turn out to be something simple like a compressor control system or a bad vacuum line. But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) system? ". At this point I would check around to find out what other older automobile owners in your area have done. Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix for your A/C problem. John > [Original Message] > From: Albert Boasberg <aboasberg at webtv.net> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: 8/31/2010 6:15:46 PM > Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus > > When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional signals ceased working. > > I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. > > Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? > > Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > > Thanks. > > Albert > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From magnet at roverclub.org Wed Sep 1 11:13:43 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP378175E173165D48E12738918B0@phx.gbl> I posted a few photos from RA 10 on the TARC site, you can find them at http://www.roverclub.org/ra10/ Cheers, -- Bill Daddis =================================== Eric Russell wrote: > So much time has passed since: > Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 participants, posted RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned the address on the Rovernet. Please post the URL again. I'd like to insert links on our photo page. > > Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours otherwise we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and England. > > Eric > > "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; > "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 > > > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> wrote: > > >> From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures >> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM >> I second that! Many thanks! >> >> -- Bill D. >> >> =========================================== >> >> >> Henry Manwell wrote: >> >>> Thanks to you and Steve, Eric. Nice >>> >> presentation. >> >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings >>> >> go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to >> this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 11:19:35 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> References: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NAGqnKSKDp389T1Ehdriez4ub2=ZQw4M6_ghU@mail.gmail.com> > But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and > I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) > system? ". ?At this point I would check around to find out what other older > automobile owners in your area have done. ?Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix > for your A/C problem. "I can't get parts" is probably less accurate than "I don't like dealing with the EPA paperwork if I use R12". There are some R12 compatible refrigerants around. Since US production of new R12 stopped in the mid 90s there is less and less R12 available on the market every year; at some point it will make better economic sense to convert to a modern refrigerant or at least and R12 compatible fluid From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Wed Sep 1 11:39:31 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:39:31 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] R: FNN600C - Lake Rally, 2008 In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DED@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> References: <BLU0-SMTP43E8092A1E9206CCDA3DD918B0@phx.gbl><841619.64002.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DED@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Message-ID: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B9596314C71@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> http://www.lakesrally.com/simpleviewer/2008/index.html Please what about FNN 600 C? The last photo, uyear 2008? Best regards, GR. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) Inviato: mercoled? 1 settembre 2010 18.01 A: Rovernet Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures Hi Eric, You say your are off to the UK, are you coming to the Lake District RSR rally www.lakesrally.com in three weeks Eric? It would be good to meet up. Regards Stewart Devlin -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Russell Sent: 01 September 2010 16:55 To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures So much time has passed since: Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 participants, posted RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned the address on the Rovernet. Please post the URL again. I'd like to insert links on our photo page. Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours otherwise we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and England. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> wrote: > From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM I second that!? Many > thanks! > > -- Bill D. > > =========================================== > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > presentation. > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > >??? > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From bsaunders at firstva.com Wed Sep 1 11:49:28 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia In-Reply-To: <473740.28153.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <473740.28153.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4976ABB5A1344C9A9E7D321EE2C3B51F@SD1> Have you looked at Member Manager? If you start using that it will take care of most of the problems and even has a chat room so we don't clutter up everyone's email accounts with small talk. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:49 AM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia Once again, I am making an appeal to Rovernet subscribers to remember to format their email to the Rovernet mailing list to be in Plain Text. Rich Text or HTML is *pretty*, with the ability to make bold faced statements or select from a variety of font types, and insert graphical smilie faces. This is all done through the use of invisible HTML code. It is a known method for hackers to insert malicious code which would them be spread across all the unsuspecting members of the Rovernet. I fight a constant battle against SPAMsters sending a blast of junk to the list. The server stops it it and then sends it to me for approval to post. I am sure you don't want to know about sexual enhancement products, warnings that your accounts have been frozen at PayPal, HSBC, Barclay's Bank,TD bank, etc., etc. not to mention the Nigerian bank transfer schemes that come from more places than Nigeria. Subscribers who read a Rovernet message and who try to respond without noticing that their email message format is not set for Plain Text sometimes send me a message of concern. When I check their message header, it usually says, "multipart/alternative". This means that the message is huge as it contains a Plain Text version of the message, all the HTML code to spruce up a message and then the message again but with bold face or coloured text, etc. The Rovernet server has a message size limit which is a protection for subscribers against large HTML generated messages, sometimes with large attachments. Subscribers who have telephone dial-up or who like to read messages on their Blackberry or iPhone prefer Rovernet messages which are size manageable and devoid of malware. So,..... another plea: Please use only Plain Text when sending to the Rovernet and please don't send us attachments. There are other ways to make pictures available to the group. I will end with a copy/paste on the subject from another authority. Eric List Admin ************************************************************ Have you considered joining a discussion-based e-mail list? There are many lists available for meeting people, sharing ideas, or general chitchat about particular subjects. While many lists are open to everyone, one rule you should follow is to always post in plain-text format. Many e-mail programs such as Microsoft Outlook default to HTML mail, meaning that you can post in color, different fonts, bold text, etc. However, many mailing lists contain members that either don't have such functionality or choose not to use it. Posting mail your normal way might result in some angry messages, or worse yet, getting you banned from the list. Before joining a mailing list and posting, first see what the rules are about using HTML mail. If the list prohibits it or you notice that all messages are in plain-text format, check your e-mail software's help files or documentation for information on how to disable graphical e-mail. For example, see the below screenshot for how to send an individual e-mail in plain-text with Outlook 2003: http://malektips.com/mailing-list-plain-text.html "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 08/31/10 02:34:00 From kkinard at att.net Wed Sep 1 13:49:37 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> References: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C7EA041.30109@att.net> Hi Albert and John, I may have missed this part. Is it an early or late Delanair unit? The later wiring harness is much more complex and therefore has many more occasions for faults or bad connections. Easiest way to tell if the system is early or late is by the location of the dryer ...early is close to the firewall...late is next to the battery with the overpressure switch just behind the corner lamp. You really need the wiring diagram for whichever system it is. I scanned these a month or so ago, but can't find them on my computer, so must have dumped them. Let me know if you need the diagrams and I will scan them again. John, I don't think the Delanair system has any vacuum motors, so airflow is controlled mechanically. Good luck. Roverly, Kent K. John Burkhard wrote: > Hi Albert > > Lets start with the easy part first. The directional signals are not > related to the A/C system, power or ground. Check for a blown fuse, burned > out bulbs or a bad flasher unit. As for the location of the flasher unit, > I would start looking around under the dash near the steering column. > > Now for the fun part. The A/C system has three main systems, electrical, > refringent and air flow that depends on engine vacuum. At this point I > would take your car the best A/C shop in town. It may turn out to be > something simple like a compressor control system or a bad vacuum line. > But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and > I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) > system? ". At this point I would check around to find out what other older > automobile owners in your area have done. Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix > for your A/C problem. > > John > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Albert Boasberg<aboasberg at webtv.net> >> To: Rovernet<rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Date: 8/31/2010 6:15:46 PM >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus >> >> When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all >> > I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional > signals ceased working. > >> I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I >> > tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. > >> Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? >> >> Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside >> > temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > >> Thanks. >> >> Albert >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> > sure to scroll down the whole page. > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From kkinard at att.net Wed Sep 1 13:57:53 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:57:53 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Delanair-another thought In-Reply-To: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> References: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C7EA231.5030000@att.net> Hi again, Something simple to check is the overpressure switch (sometimes called a high pressure cutout). Wire around it temporarily to see if that makes a difference (its the small box looking thing with a long, coiled up, small diameter tube sticking out.) If that solves the problem, replace the switch...I think they are pretty generic. Roverly, Kent K. John Burkhard wrote: > Hi Albert > > Lets start with the easy part first. The directional signals are not > related to the A/C system, power or ground. Check for a blown fuse, burned > out bulbs or a bad flasher unit. As for the location of the flasher unit, > I would start looking around under the dash near the steering column. > > Now for the fun part. The A/C system has three main systems, electrical, > refringent and air flow that depends on engine vacuum. At this point I > would take your car the best A/C shop in town. It may turn out to be > something simple like a compressor control system or a bad vacuum line. > But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and > I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) > system? ". At this point I would check around to find out what other older > automobile owners in your area have done. Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix > for your A/C problem. > > John > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Albert Boasberg<aboasberg at webtv.net> >> To: Rovernet<rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Date: 8/31/2010 6:15:46 PM >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus >> >> When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all >> > I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional > signals ceased working. > >> I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I >> > tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. > >> Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? >> >> Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside >> > temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > >> Thanks. >> >> Albert >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> > sure to scroll down the whole page. > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 14:39:23 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DED@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Message-ID: <141241.59877.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stewart, I'd love to meet up with you and other Rover folk. We are travelling with another couple who have not seen most of where we are going. We are starting in Glasgow and heading northwest. The furthest south (of the North) will be Stranraer. Eventually we will travel through Ireland, North Wales and into the Midlands at Stourport. We'll work our way to London for the last week. One year we will once again travel as a couple and try to get more Rover events included. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) <DevlinS at bp.com> wrote: > From: Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) <DevlinS at bp.com> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:00 AM > > Hi Eric, > > You say your are off to the UK, are you coming to the Lake > District RSR rally www.lakesrally.com in three weeks > Eric?? It would be good to meet up. > > Regards > > Stewart Devlin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca > [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On Behalf Of Eric Russell > Sent: 01 September 2010 16:55 > To: Rovernet > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > > So much time has passed since: > Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 > participants, posted RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned > the address on the Rovernet. Please post the URL again. I'd > like to insert links on our photo page. > > Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours > otherwise we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and > England. > > Eric > > "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, > 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy > Grail, 1975 > > > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > wrote: > > > From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM I > second that!? Many > > thanks! > > > >? -- Bill D. > > > > =========================================== > > > > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > > presentation. > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your > settings > > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole > page. > > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > > > >??? > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. > > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From DevlinS at bp.com Wed Sep 1 14:43:16 2010 From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:43:16 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures In-Reply-To: <141241.59877.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DED@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <141241.59877.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F8DEF@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Hi Eric, Sorry we will not see you this year then but maybe another year. Enjoy your holiday, I hope the weather stays fine for you, Regards Stewart -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Russell Sent: 01 September 2010 20:39 To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures Stewart, I'd love to meet up with you and other Rover folk. We are travelling with another couple who have not seen most of where we are going. We are starting in Glasgow and heading northwest. The furthest south (of the North) will be Stranraer. Eventually we will travel through Ireland, North Wales and into the Midlands at Stourport. We'll work our way to London for the last week. One year we will once again travel as a couple and try to get more Rover events included. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) <DevlinS at bp.com> wrote: > From: Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) <DevlinS at bp.com> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:00 AM > > Hi Eric, > > You say your are off to the UK, are you coming to the Lake District > RSR rally www.lakesrally.com in three weeks Eric?? It would be good to > meet up. > > Regards > > Stewart Devlin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca > [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On Behalf Of Eric Russell > Sent: 01 September 2010 16:55 > To: Rovernet > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > > So much time has passed since: > Rovernet members, who were also RoveAmerica 2010 participants, posted > RoveAmerica 2010 pictures and mentioned the address on the Rovernet. > Please post the URL again. I'd like to insert links on our photo page. > > Your mission, if you accept, is to do this within 24 hours otherwise > we're off to Scotland, Ireland, North Wales, and England. > > Eric > > "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm > not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 > > > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > wrote: > > > From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures > > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:24 AM I > second that!? Many > > thanks! > > > >? -- Bill D. > > > > =========================================== > > > > > > Henry Manwell wrote: > > > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric.? Nice > > presentation. > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your > settings > > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole > page. > > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > > > >??? > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings > go to this page. > > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From burkhaj at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 15:41:13 2010 From: burkhaj at earthlink.net (John Burkhard) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:41:13 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus Message-ID: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> Hi All I found that information in a Rover-British Leyland, 1972 manual. I do not know if this is a early or late system. The manual shows that the temp. switch controls three vacuum motors on two air mix doors and a variable thermostat, and a water control valve. The air-flow switch controls the fresh air door vacuum motor. The variable thermostat vacuum motor operates an electric switch that controls the compressor clutch. In the electric line to the clutch there is a in-line 10A fuse and a high pressure cut out switch. The blower has a different circuit than the clutch and it sounds like the blower is working. This hole thing could nothing more than a fuse. John > [Original Message] > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: 9/1/2010 11:49:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus > > Hi Albert and John, > I may have missed this part. Is it an early or late Delanair unit? The > later wiring harness is much more complex and therefore has many more > occasions for faults or bad connections. Easiest way to tell if the > system is early or late is by the location of the dryer ...early is > close to the firewall...late is next to the battery with the > overpressure switch just behind the corner lamp. You really need the > wiring diagram for whichever system it is. I scanned these a month or so > ago, but can't find them on my computer, so must have dumped them. Let > me know if you need the diagrams and I will scan them again. > > John, I don't think the Delanair system has any vacuum motors, so > airflow is controlled mechanically. > > Good luck. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > John Burkhard wrote: > > Hi Albert > > > > Lets start with the easy part first. The directional signals are not > > related to the A/C system, power or ground. Check for a blown fuse, burned > > out bulbs or a bad flasher unit. As for the location of the flasher unit, > > I would start looking around under the dash near the steering column. > > > > Now for the fun part. The A/C system has three main systems, electrical, > > refringent and air flow that depends on engine vacuum. At this point I > > would take your car the best A/C shop in town. It may turn out to be > > something simple like a compressor control system or a bad vacuum line. > > But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and > > I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) > > system? ". At this point I would check around to find out what other older > > automobile owners in your area have done. Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix > > for your A/C problem. > > > > John > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Albert Boasberg<aboasberg at webtv.net> > >> To: Rovernet<rovernet at rovernet.ca> > >> Date: 8/31/2010 6:15:46 PM > >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus > >> > >> When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all > >> > > I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional > > signals ceased working. > > > >> I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I > >> > > tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. > > > >> Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? > >> > >> Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside > >> > > temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > > > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Albert > >> > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > >> > > sure to scroll down the whole page. > > > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Wed Sep 1 15:42:04 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 06:12:04 +0930 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia In-Reply-To: <473740.28153.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <473740.28153.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7EBA9C.7030608@ozemail.com.au> Hi Eric, One of my soapbox topics, (greater than buses and coracles) <VBG> ..... You can still *emphasise* with asterisks _emphasise_ with underlining and just plain SHOUT (with caution)! ;-) Emoticons are cool too ..... http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/xComputers/Communicating/eSpeak/Emoticons.asp General netiquette ...... http://www.albury.net.au/new-users/netiquet.htm Individual browser's "how to" info here for members more savvy with Rovers than the dark depths of the web ..... http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et070103.htm HTH Cheers Dave On 2/09/2010 1:19 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > Once again, I am making an appeal to Rovernet subscribers to remember to format their email to the Rovernet mailing list to be in Plain Text. Rich Text or HTML is *pretty*, with the ability to make bold faced statements or select from a variety of font types, and insert graphical smilie faces. This is all done through the use of invisible HTML code. It is a known method for hackers to insert malicious code which would them be spread across all the unsuspecting members of the Rovernet. I fight a constant battle against SPAMsters sending a blast of junk to the list. The server stops it it and then sends it to me for approval to post. I am sure you don't want to know about sexual enhancement products, warnings that your accounts have been frozen at PayPal, HSBC, Barclay's Bank,TD bank, etc., etc. not to mention the Nigerian bank transfer schemes that come from more places than Nigeria. > Subscribers who read a Rovernet message and who try to respond without noticing that their email message format is not set for Plain Text sometimes send me a message of concern. When I check their message header, it usually says, "multipart/alternative". This means that the message is huge as it contains a Plain Text version of the message, all the HTML code to spruce up a message and then the message again but with bold face or coloured text, etc. > The Rovernet server has a message size limit which is a protection for subscribers against large HTML generated messages, sometimes with large attachments. > Subscribers who have telephone dial-up or who like to read messages on their Blackberry or iPhone prefer Rovernet messages which are size manageable and devoid of malware. > So,..... another plea: Please use only Plain Text when sending to the Rovernet and please don't send us attachments. There are other ways to make pictures available to the group. I will end with a copy/paste on the subject from another authority. > Eric > List Admin From glen at glenrwilson.com Wed Sep 1 12:49:16 2010 From: glen at glenrwilson.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C7E921C.8050101@glenrwilson.com> On 09/01/2010 01:39 AM, slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > > I do not have a wiring diagram for your car, but it sounds very much like a coincidence. I would suggest that it was just a poor connection that cured itself from the vibration of driving. You might want to trace the circuits involved, cleaning the connections as you go along. They could very well opperate off of the same fuse circuit. The fuse box would be a good place to start. > > > > Slats > Slats, I wrote to Albert off-list and asked how the engine RPMs compare at idle with the AC off and AC on. If his battery is down from lack of recent use and the AC compressor slows the engine down, the "lack of electrics" might make the directional relay malfunction. As far as AC cooling goes, I have relatively modern cars that need a short drive before cooling is apparent depending on the design of the AC, how hot the car is to begin with, whether or not you are in "recirculate" mode, and whether or not you could use a refrigerant recharge. A new Lexus may have a marginally better AC system than the Rover 3500S. ;-) It doesn't sound like a bad connection to me, but I would never disagree with you. ;-) The operation of the AC could affect the directional relay, but the AC issue is probably not an electrical issue (unless the AC compressor clutch is intermittent). Glen From glen at glenrwilson.com Wed Sep 1 13:00:26 2010 From: glen at glenrwilson.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> References: <380-2201093116334468@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C7E94BA.4040001@glenrwilson.com> On 09/01/2010 12:03 PM, John Burkhard wrote: > Hi Albert > > Lets start with the easy part first. The directional signals are not > related to the A/C system, power or ground. Check for a blown fuse, burned > out bulbs or a bad flasher unit. As for the location of the flasher unit, > I would start looking around under the dash near the steering column. Intermittent electrical issues seldom come down to blown fuses since the blown fuse becomes an open circuit. If it was down to bulbs, four of them would have had to go bad at the same moment. Buzzing or non-functional directional relays are one of the first symptoms you notice when you have low battery voltage because relays are completely dependent on adequate voltage to function. > > > Now for the fun part. The A/C system has three main systems, electrical, > refringent and air flow that depends on engine vacuum. At this point I > would take your car the best A/C shop in town. It may turn out to be > something simple like a compressor control system or a bad vacuum line. > But count on "I cannot work on your car because it's a OLD, R12 system and > I can't get parts. Sooo lets just convert it to a new R134A (or newer) > system? ". At this point I would check around to find out what other older > automobile owners in your area have done. Sorry that I don't have a EZ fix > for your A/C problem. > > John > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Albert Boasberg<aboasberg at webtv.net> >> To: Rovernet<rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Date: 8/31/2010 6:15:46 PM >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus >> >> When I turned on the A/C of my 1970 Rover 3500S in 95 degree weather, all >> > I got was a blast of hot air. No cool air. What's more, the directional > signals ceased working. > >> I drove some distance and the outside temp went down about 10 degrees. I >> > tried the A/C again, and it worked! And the directional signals also worked. > >> Do both functions use the same fuse or electrical circuits? >> >> Why would both these functions be so sensitive to the outside >> > temperatures, unless it was pure coincidence? > >> Thanks. >> >> Albert >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> > sure to scroll down the whole page. > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From glen at glenrwilson.com Wed Sep 1 13:01:51 2010 From: glen at glenrwilson.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <946582587.670745.1283319546191.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C7E950F.1020401@glenrwilson.com> On 09/01/2010 01:39 AM, slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > > I do not have a wiring diagram for your car, but it sounds very much > like a coincidence. I would suggest that it was just a poor connection > that cured itself from the vibration of driving. You might want to > trace the circuits involved, cleaning the connections as you go along. > They could very well opperate off of the same fuse circuit. The fuse > box would be a good place to start. > > > > Slats Slats, I wrote to Albert off-list and asked how the engine RPMs compare at idle with the AC off and AC on. If his battery is down from lack of recent use and the AC compressor slows the engine down, the "lack of electrics" might make the directional relay malfunction. As far as AC cooling goes, I have relatively modern cars that need a short drive before cooling is apparent depending on the design of the AC, how hot the car is to begin with, whether or not you are in "recirculate" mode, and whether or not you could use a refrigerant recharge. A new Lexus may have a marginally better AC system than the Rover 3500S. ;-) It doesn't sound like a bad connection to me, but I would never disagree with you. ;-) The operation of the AC could affect the directional relay, but the AC issue is probably not an electrical issue (unless the AC compressor clutch is intermittent). Glen From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 15:53:43 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia In-Reply-To: <4C7EBA9C.7030608@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <434137.96210.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for your *continued* support. (That goes WAAAAY back :-) Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Wed, 9/1/10, David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au> wrote: > From: David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 1:42 PM > Hi Eric, > One of my soapbox topics, (greater than buses and coracles) > <VBG> ..... > You can still *emphasise* with asterisks _emphasise_ with > underlining and just plain SHOUT (with caution)! > ;-) > Emoticons are cool too ..... > http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/xComputers/Communicating/eSpeak/Emoticons.asp > > General netiquette ...... > http://www.albury.net.au/new-users/netiquet.htm > > Individual browser's "how to" info here for members more > savvy with Rovers than the dark depths of the web ..... > http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et070103.htm > > HTH > > Cheers > Dave > > On 2/09/2010 1:19 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > Once again, I am making an appeal to Rovernet > subscribers to remember to format their email to the > Rovernet mailing list to be in Plain Text. Rich Text or HTML > is *pretty*, with the ability to make bold faced statements > or select from a variety of font types, and insert graphical > smilie faces. This is all done through the use of invisible > HTML code. It is a known method for hackers to insert > malicious code which would them be spread across all the > unsuspecting members of the Rovernet. I fight a constant > battle against SPAMsters sending a blast of junk to the > list. The server stops it it and then sends it to me for > approval to post. I am sure you don't want to know about > sexual enhancement products, warnings that your accounts > have been frozen at PayPal, HSBC, Barclay's Bank,TD bank, > etc., etc. not to mention the Nigerian bank transfer schemes > that come from more places than Nigeria. > > Subscribers who read a Rovernet message and who try to > respond without noticing that their email message format is > not set for Plain Text sometimes send me a message of > concern. When I check their message header, it usually says, > "multipart/alternative". This means that the message is huge > as it contains a Plain Text version of the message, all the > HTML code to spruce up a message and then the message again > but with bold face or coloured text, etc. > > The Rovernet server has a message size limit which is > a protection for subscribers against large HTML generated > messages, sometimes with large attachments. > > Subscribers who have telephone dial-up or who like to > read messages on their Blackberry or iPhone prefer Rovernet > messages which are size manageable and devoid of malware. > > So,..... another plea: Please use only Plain Text when > sending to the Rovernet and please don't send us > attachments. There are other ways to make pictures available > to the group.? I will end with a copy/paste on the > subject from another authority. > > Eric > > List Admin > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 17:28:24 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:28:24 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OuCZZg8=CO6y+cALvEdFE2kEXz-9_-bT1Q0T5@mail.gmail.com> I'm confident the indicators are a red herring, there's a separate fused feed >>... a high pressure cut out switch. That's where I would start looking. It may be that either the switch is giving up or that the cooling sytem may have seen a temporary high pressure condition caused by the residual heat in the engine bay - once the air started moving the AC system cooled down enough for the pressure to fall below the setpoint. Aidrian From aboasberg at webtv.net Wed Sep 1 19:15:04 2010 From: aboasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:15:04 GMT Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus Message-ID: <SNT101-DS113B3B20723A913E81563EB58C0@phx.gbl> Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. I'm grateful for your thoughtfulness. Albert From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Wed Sep 1 19:27:29 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:27:29 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures & cars In-Reply-To: <59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> References: <405091.37097.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> Message-ID: <4C7EEF71.9010606@alum.swarthmore.edu> It really is Eric's photo collection, I just helped with some captions. On a related note, I got to wondering how many Rovers could be reported as being participants in the event. I estimate 32 cars, overlooking those on the rack "overseeing" the proceedings. In other words, I attempted to count up mainly the cars that were driven to the event or at least driven around at the the event. I also took the liberty of including a certain 12 tourer, even though it was towed to the lineup of earlier cars. I counted 8 P6's, 4 P6B's, 1 SD1, 5 P4's, 3 P5's, 1 P5B, 2 P3's, 1 P2, 4 pre-war cars, and 3 Land Rovers = 32. Of course, it's really more important how many people were involved, enjoying the Rovers and the fellowship, and I don't know the count there other than lots! --Steve Manwell On 8/31/2010 6:50 PM, Henry Manwell wrote: > Thanks to you and Steve, Eric. Nice presentation. > > Hank > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From vmitps at netspace.net.au Wed Sep 1 19:37:54 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:37:54 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures & cars In-Reply-To: <4C7EEF71.9010606@alum.swarthmore.edu> References: <405091.37097.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><59F16C36-3EB5-4904-B19A-1345B529A073@alumni.bates.edu> <4C7EEF71.9010606@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <400532C795644DFAB05A570395CEF62F@Vista> Technically a P2 is pre-war. P2A is post-war. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] RoveAmerica 2010 Pictures & cars > It really is Eric's photo collection, I just helped with some captions. > > On a related note, I got to wondering how many Rovers could be reported as > being participants in the event. I estimate 32 cars, overlooking those on > the rack "overseeing" the proceedings. In other words, I attempted to > count up mainly the cars that were driven to the event or at least driven > around at the the event. I also took the liberty of including a certain > 12 tourer, even though it was towed to the lineup of earlier cars. > > I counted 8 P6's, 4 P6B's, 1 SD1, 5 P4's, 3 P5's, 1 P5B, 2 P3's, 1 P2, 4 > pre-war cars, and 3 Land Rovers = 32. > > Of course, it's really more important how many people were involved, > enjoying the Rovers and the fellowship, and I don't know the count there > other than lots! > > --Steve Manwell > > > On 8/31/2010 6:50 PM, Henry Manwell wrote: >> Thanks to you and Steve, Eric. Nice presentation. >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From kkinard at att.net Wed Sep 1 21:58:04 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C7F12BC.5060203@att.net> Hi John, After reading the original message, I realize that Albert's car is a Federal 3500S. I don't know why I thought he had a 2000TC. All my comments relate to Delanair equipped 2000TC. Sorry for the confusion. Roverly, Kent K. John Burkhard wrote: > Hi All > I found that information in a Rover-British Leyland, 1972 manual. I do not > know if this is a early or late system. The manual shows that the temp. > switch controls three vacuum motors on two air mix doors and a variable > thermostat, and a water control valve. The air-flow switch controls the > fresh air door vacuum motor. > The variable thermostat vacuum motor operates an electric switch that > controls the compressor clutch. In the electric line to the clutch there > is a in-line 10A fuse and a high pressure cut out switch. The blower has a > different circuit than the clutch and it sounds like the blower is working. > This hole thing could nothing more than a fuse. > John > > From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Wed Sep 1 23:23:12 2010 From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:53:12 +0930 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OuCZZg8=CO6y+cALvEdFE2kEXz-9_-bT1Q0T5@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> <AANLkTi=OuCZZg8=CO6y+cALvEdFE2kEXz-9_-bT1Q0T5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F102F5CFCCA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Could also be a sticking TX (expansion) valve located near the evaporator. I recently did a complete R12 to R134A conversion on an SD1 myself - new Sanden compressor, mounting bracket, parallel flow condenser, 134A hoses and seals, drier-receiver, pressure switch and TX. You can still get R12 parts easily enough, including rebuilt compressors, but the gas is now non-existent here. There are substitute drop in hydrocarbon based gases like HR12 and ER12, but they are extremely flammable and can be hard on seals and may leak out quickly. Many AC shops refuse to use them for fear of comeback claims. Rob -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2010 7:58 AM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus I'm confident the indicators are a red herring, there's a separate fused feed >>... a high pressure cut out switch. That's where I would start looking. It may be that either the switch is giving up or that the cooling sytem may have seen a temporary high pressure condition caused by the residual heat in the engine bay - once the air started moving the AC system cooled down enough for the pressure to fall below the setpoint. Aidrian To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From glen at glenrwilson.com Wed Sep 1 20:01:48 2010 From: glen at glenrwilson.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Question for Electrical Gurus In-Reply-To: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> References: <380-22010931204113281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C7EF77C.2060606@glenrwilson.com> On 09/01/2010 04:41 PM, John Burkhard wrote: > This hole thing could nothing more than a fuse. > John > > John. Since both systems became fully functional after a short drive, a fuse is the one thing that it could not possibly be. Blowing a fuse is like cutting a wire. It won't reset or repair itself to restore power to the circuit. Glen From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net Thu Sep 2 04:20:15 2010 From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:20:15 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] AC questions and further Message-ID: <028001cb4a80$0e068a10$2a139e30$@net> All, I haven't had a chance to dig into my 3500S manual but want to introduce another possibility for lack of AC during high ambient temperature conditions. One of my other cars, an '87 Audi turbo quattro sedan, has an 'engine over temperature' switch that shuts the AC off when the engine coolant gets above a given temperature. 249degF in this case. Applying this example, there may be a cut out that disables the 3500S AC when coolant temperature gets above a pre-set level. whether said sensor is operating correctly is another matter. Regards, Gross Scruggs Annapolis MD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100902/f8dab3ed/attachment.html> From irishrover1 at live.com Thu Sep 2 05:40:47 2010 From: irishrover1 at live.com (Frederick Ben Rodgers) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:40:47 -0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans Message-ID: <COL111-W272B950CDF0E69DB3B3952878C0@phx.gbl> Hi Folks I'm still trying to empty my barn of Rover parts. It occurs to me a free wheel gear box must be quite rare by now? I have two, one from a 1949 Cyclops and the other a 1953 P4-75 both had low mileage (40-60 thou miles) and they are free to anyone. My only charge would be the packaging and arranging the shipping, roughly between $50 -$75. For example I just shipped a P4 gear box to the USA at a cost of approx $140. I have numerous other parts for P4's cylinder heads, fenders doors brake drums and more. I still can't bring myself to taking all these parts to the dump!!! Need help!!! Cheers Ben (irishrover) ************* My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Ben (irishrover) ************* My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100902/6ec957f7/attachment.html> From peter_m at amnet.net.au Thu Sep 2 07:33:20 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:33:20 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Roof Gutter trim removal In-Reply-To: <FACC70B5-88DE-447A-9B76-C33559CA8454@inkspotco.com> References: <002501cb483c$8fb5b900$af212b00$@net.au> <FACC70B5-88DE-447A-9B76-C33559CA8454@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <001501cb4a9b$07789380$1669ba80$@net.au> Many thanks to Vern for his reply (below). If the donor car is in poor shape we could slice off the gutters and easily remove the trims. I'd rather try lubricating the trims and sliding them off, if they'll move. Alternatively I'll keep an eye on Ebay; they come up now and then- usually in the UK, so packaging a long container and freight would not be cheap. Cheers Peter Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Vern Klukas Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:40 AM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Rover P6B - Roof Gutter trim removal / wheel lug nuts query solved It is the only way. Technically the strip should be able to be popped off, but I have never managed to do it without either buckling the strip or bending it to the point it wouldn't go back on. Yours Vern On 2010-08-30, at 5:12 AM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > Hello to all again, > > A friend here in Perth Western Australia has offered me the gutter trims off > his donor P6B. > > I have prised a set off another car, but buckled one badly. > > I have successfully taken off one trim by lubricating it along its length, > then gently tapping with a block of softwood at one end. > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 09:50:46 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] Roof Gutter trim removal In-Reply-To: <001501cb4a9b$07789380$1669ba80$@net.au> Message-ID: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Having also been through the gutter process with mixed results, I would recommend an attempt at running a sharp object under the strip at the join of the trim to the base unit. Then attempt some form of lubrication at the lower join as that has to get pried up first. The installation is to press the top of the gutter trim onto the gutter as fixed to the base unit and then using a rubber or rawhide hammer to carefully tap the bottom portion onto the gutter. The crimping system of the trim makes it spring-loaded so removal is reverse of installation. I have started removal only to have a rusty bit interfere and hold up the trim as I keep adding more force until there was a sudden bend. Drat! Best wishes. Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Peter Mitchell <peter_m at amnet.net.au> wrote: > From: Peter Mitchell <peter_m at amnet.net.au> > Subject: [Rovernet ] Roof Gutter trim removal > To: "'Rovernet'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Received: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 5:33 AM > Many thanks to Vern for his reply > (below). > > If the donor car is in poor shape we could slice off the > gutters and easily > remove the trims. I'd rather try lubricating the trims and > sliding them off, > if they'll move. > > Alternatively I'll keep an eye on Ebay; they come up now > and then- usually > in the UK, so packaging a long container and freight would > not be cheap. > > Cheers > > Peter Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca > [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On > Behalf Of Vern Klukas > Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:40 AM > To: Rovernet > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Rover P6B - Roof Gutter trim > removal / wheel lug > nuts query solved > > It is the only way. Technically the strip should be able to > be popped off, > but I have never managed to do it without either buckling > the strip or > bending it to the point it wouldn't go back on. > > Yours > Vern > > On 2010-08-30, at 5:12 AM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > > > Hello to all again, > > > > A friend here in Perth Western Australia has offered > me the gutter trims > off > > his donor P6B. > > > > I have prised a set off another car, but buckled one > badly. > > > > I have successfully taken off one trim by lubricating > it along its length, > > then gently tapping with a block of softwood at one > end. > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to > this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 2 10:03:59 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:03:59 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Roof Gutter trim removal In-Reply-To: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> Eric Russell wrote: > Peter, > Having also been through the gutter process with mixed results, I would recommend an attempt at running a sharp object under the strip at the join of the trim to the base unit. Then attempt some form of lubrication at the lower join as that has to get pried up first. > Now I'm curious. I've never had a problem getting the trims off. I'll have to try it again just to see if I still have the touch. Then again we don't have rust either. I think I have a set of gutter trims loose somewhere. Long shipping tubes are another matter. They are hard to find. Roverimtrimedly, Kent K. From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 10:04:24 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet administrivia Message-ID: <624404.21262.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ahem,.... some people I know have been doing some non-standard practice on the Rovernet which may soon annoy them as Linda and I begin an extended holiday with unpredicatable Internet access on my part. eg: Try to send messages to the Rovernet only from addresses which you have pre-subscribed to the list. Otherwise the server holds the message and asks me what to do. This is common practice for SPAM artists who have the Rovernet list address in their sights. Boring........! I usually wait until a short list of 'waiting for approval" to develop before I bother myself to reject them and put them on a ban list. However, if the unregistered email is coming from an interested Rover bloke, their message will be delayed until I can attend. So,...... if you don't get a result, review what you have done. Another problem you may have is that you have unknowingly used Rich Text or HTML. The message is too large (not to mention the malware potential) and the server has a message size limit which is equal to a large Plain Text message. If your message is oversize, it won't go through. The last recurring theme is that the Rovernet does not accept attachments so if you have done that, the server is likely to cough up a furball on that issue. Anyway.... play the game according to the rules and there should be no problem. I'll try to monitor the Rovernet as my Internet connections become available. I would appreciate any Rovernet veterans kicking in if they spot anything unusual. Thanks, Eric List admin "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 From bsaunders at firstva.com Thu Sep 2 14:37:24 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:37:24 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans In-Reply-To: <COL111-W3766E7704915A3B4ECCA2D878C0@phx.gbl> References: <COL111-W3766E7704915A3B4ECCA2D878C0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56@SD1> Do you have a pair of P4 rear brake cylinders? Ben Saunders -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Frederick Ben Rodgers Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 AM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans Hi Folks I'm still trying to empty my barn of Rover parts. It occurs to me a free wheel gear box must be quite rare by now? I have two, one from a 1949 Cyclops and the other a 1953 P4-75 both had low mileage (40-60 thou miles) and they are free to anyone. My only charge would be the packaging and arranging the shipping, roughly between $50 -$75. For example I just shipped a P4 gear box to the USA at a cost of approx $140. I have numerous other parts for P4's cylinder heads, fenders doors brake drums and more. I still can't bring myself to taking all these parts to the dump!!! Need help!!! Cheers Ben (irishrover) ************* My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010090 2/6ec957f7/attachment.html> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3108 - Release Date: 09/02/10 02:34:00 From irishrover1 at live.com Thu Sep 2 16:36:37 2010 From: irishrover1 at live.com (Frederick Ben Rodgers) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:36:37 -0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans In-Reply-To: <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56@SD1> References: <COL111-W3766E7704915A3B4ECCA2D878C0@phx.gbl>, <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56@SD1> Message-ID: <COL111-W1189EE5552E13AFE8EA8C0878C0@phx.gbl> Hi Ben I just checked I have four rear axles with the back plates on them, unfortunately not one wheel cylinder just the adjusters. Sorry I can't help you out. Regards Ben ************* My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > From: bsaunders at firstva.com > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:37:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > > Do you have a pair of P4 rear brake cylinders? > Ben Saunders > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On > Behalf Of Frederick Ben Rodgers > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 AM > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > > > > > > Hi Folks > I'm still trying to empty my barn of Rover parts. It occurs to me > a free wheel gear box must be quite rare by now? I have two, one from a 1949 > Cyclops and the other a 1953 P4-75 both had low mileage (40-60 thou miles) > and they are free to anyone. My only charge would be the packaging and > arranging the shipping, roughly between $50 -$75. For example I just shipped > a P4 gear box to the USA at a cost of approx $140. I have numerous other > parts for P4's cylinder heads, fenders doors brake drums and more. I still > can't bring myself to taking all these parts to the dump!!! Need help!!! > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > > ************* > My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as > E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, > Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010090 > 2/6ec957f7/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100902/2d23675e/attachment.html> From dchantler at comcast.net Fri Sep 3 11:08:36 2010 From: dchantler at comcast.net (Derek Chantler) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] 3500s Brake System parts/hoses In-Reply-To: <COL111-W1189EE5552E13AFE8EA8C0878C0@phx.gbl> References: <COL111-W3766E7704915A3B4ECCA2D878C0@phx.gbl>, <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56@SD1> <COL111-W1189EE5552E13AFE8EA8C0878C0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <001201cb4b82$4dc244c0$e946ce40$@net> Hi again everyone, Now that I have officially been welcomed by Mr. Tait as a member of the RCCC its time for the inevitable first question from the new guy. The first job that I'm going to tackle is the brake system. I have managed to find a local company that will rebuild my brake servo and master cylinder but I have not yet found a supplier for brake lines/braided hoses/servo vacuum hose, etc. If there is anyone that fellow RCCC members have used on the west coast of the USA that would be fantastic, if not then whoever is closest and best. Obviously I want to try to keep the shipping costs etc down as much as possible. I know JR Wadham's in the UK have a lot of stuff but they are likely to be prohibitively expensive on the shipping front. If it makes any difference to the recommendations I am in the San Francisco Bay area, Northern California. I don't want to spam up the list too much so if anyone has any recommendations feel free to contact me off list, or on list of that's the appropriate thing to do. I don't want to get off on the wrong foot. Thanks in advance Derek From kkinard at att.net Fri Sep 3 17:10:58 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:10:58 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] 3500s Brake System parts/hoses In-Reply-To: <001201cb4b82$4dc244c0$e946ce40$@net> References: <COL111-W3766E7704915A3B4ECCA2D878C0@phx.gbl>, <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56@SD1> <COL111-W1189EE5552E13AFE8EA8C0878C0@phx.gbl> <001201cb4b82$4dc244c0$e946ce40$@net> Message-ID: <4C817272.9050209@att.net> Hi Derek, Welcome to RCCC and to Rovernet. Maybe I missed it, but did you say what kind of Rover you have? I'm going to guess that it is a P6 or P6B since those are the most popular models. Ruth Burgess (allbritishcars at shaw.ca) at All British Cars in Vancouver, BC, generally has parts and is very helpful. She should be able to supply regular flexible hoses and kits for the servo and MC. I'm glad you found local resources for the booster and MC rebuild. Braided hoses and copper brake line kits are probably UK items and are regularly advertised on Ebay. UK. I don't think the servo vacuum hose is anything special. Hopefully someone in your area who has done this recently will respond. I just didn't want you to feel ignored over the Labor Day weekend. Roverly, Kent Kinard RCCC (Texas Chapter) Derek Chantler wrote: > Hi again everyone, > > Now that I have officially been welcomed by Mr. Tait as a member of the RCCC > its time for the inevitable first question from the new guy. > > The first job that I'm going to tackle is the brake system. I have managed > to find a local company that will rebuild my brake servo and master cylinder > but I have not yet found a supplier for brake lines/braided hoses/servo > vacuum hose, etc. If there is anyone that fellow RCCC members have used on > the west coast of the USA that would be fantastic, if not then whoever is > closest and best. Obviously I want to try to keep the shipping costs etc > down as much as possible. I know JR Wadham's in the UK have a lot of stuff > but they are likely to be prohibitively expensive on the shipping front. If > it makes any difference to the recommendations I am in the San Francisco Bay > area, Northern California. > > I don't want to spam up the list too much so if anyone has any > recommendations feel free to contact me off list, or on list of that's the > appropriate thing to do. I don't want to get off on the wrong foot. > > Thanks in advance > > Derek > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From aboasberg at webtv.net Fri Sep 3 18:46:57 2010 From: aboasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:46:57 GMT Subject: [Rovernet ] 3500s Brake System parts/hoses Message-ID: <SNT101-DS77A4E29A4A6F20A55D710B58D0@phx.gbl> Dear Derek: I'm a Rover owner living in San Francisco too. Let me have your email address and we can exchange info. My address is aboasberg at webtv.net Best wishes, Albert From lacpsyd6 at msn.com Sat Sep 4 15:31:28 2010 From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 14:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] Derek and Brakes In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1283533205.19879.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.1.1283533205.19879.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <COL111-W88BD50BD9AD8DB240CD2C838E0@phx.gbl> Derek, Contact Ruth at ABC (All British Cars). She is in Burnaby, B.C. at 294-5747. She is the consummate professional, will most probably have just about anything you need for your Rover, and knows more about Rovers than I could even hope to know in my entire life. Hope that helps Lance La Certe, '70 P6B Lance La Certe, Psy.D. > From: rovernet-request at rovernet.ca > Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 125, Issue 7 > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:00:05 -0500 > > Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to > rovernet at rovernet.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rovernet-request at rovernet.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." > > > Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to which you are referring. > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Free Wheel Trans (Ben Saunders) > 2. Re: Free Wheel Trans (Frederick Ben Rodgers) > 3. 3500s Brake System parts/hoses (Derek Chantler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:37:24 -0400 > From: "Ben Saunders" <bsaunders at firstva.com> > To: "'Rovernet'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > Message-ID: <3D21A3AB0AA44E309B5558078FE02A56 at SD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Do you have a pair of P4 rear brake cylinders? > Ben Saunders > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On > Behalf Of Frederick Ben Rodgers > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 AM > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > > > > > > Hi Folks > I'm still trying to empty my barn of Rover parts. It occurs to me > a free wheel gear box must be quite rare by now? I have two, one from a 1949 > Cyclops and the other a 1953 P4-75 both had low mileage (40-60 thou miles) > and they are free to anyone. My only charge would be the packaging and > arranging the shipping, roughly between $50 -$75. For example I just shipped > a P4 gear box to the USA at a cost of approx $140. I have numerous other > parts for P4's cylinder heads, fenders doors brake drums and more. I still > can't bring myself to taking all these parts to the dump!!! Need help!!! > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > > ************* > My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as > E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, > Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010090 > 2/6ec957f7/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3108 - Release Date: 09/02/10 > 02:34:00 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:36:37 -0200 > From: Frederick Ben Rodgers <irishrover1 at live.com> > To: "rovernet at rovernet.ca" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > Message-ID: <COL111-W1189EE5552E13AFE8EA8C0878C0 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Ben > I just checked I have four rear axles with the back plates on them, unfortunately not one wheel cylinder just the adjusters. Sorry I can't help you out. > Regards Ben > > ************* > My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > > > > > > From: bsaunders at firstva.com > > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:37:24 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > > > > Do you have a pair of P4 rear brake cylinders? > > Ben Saunders > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On > > Behalf Of Frederick Ben Rodgers > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 AM > > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > > Subject: [Rovernet ] Free Wheel Trans > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks > > I'm still trying to empty my barn of Rover parts. It occurs to me > > a free wheel gear box must be quite rare by now? I have two, one from a 1949 > > Cyclops and the other a 1953 P4-75 both had low mileage (40-60 thou miles) > > and they are free to anyone. My only charge would be the packaging and > > arranging the shipping, roughly between $50 -$75. For example I just shipped > > a P4 gear box to the USA at a cost of approx $140. I have numerous other > > parts for P4's cylinder heads, fenders doors brake drums and more. I still > > can't bring myself to taking all these parts to the dump!!! Need help!!! > > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > > > > ************* > > My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as > > E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com > > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, > > Royal Navy? > > then > > Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010090 > > 2/6ec957f7/attachment.html> > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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I have managed > to find a local company that will rebuild my brake servo and master cylinder > but I have not yet found a supplier for brake lines/braided hoses/servo > vacuum hose, etc. If there is anyone that fellow RCCC members have used on > the west coast of the USA that would be fantastic, if not then whoever is > closest and best. Obviously I want to try to keep the shipping costs etc > down as much as possible. I know JR Wadham's in the UK have a lot of stuff > but they are likely to be prohibitively expensive on the shipping front. If > it makes any difference to the recommendations I am in the San Francisco Bay > area, Northern California. > > I don't want to spam up the list too much so if anyone has any > recommendations feel free to contact me off list, or on list of that's the > appropriate thing to do. 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100904/bb7c4b7c/attachment.html> From peter_m at amnet.net.au Sun Sep 5 07:05:25 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:05:25 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Roof Gutter trim removal In-Reply-To: <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> Message-ID: <002401cb4cf2$a0141b60$e03c5220$@net.au> Hi Kent and Eric, Many thanks for your advice on the removal of gutter trim. Kent, I may take you up on your loose gutter trims; just let me see how my local colleague here in Western Australia is going with the removal of the pair from his donor car. I am sure that we'll be able to rustle up a long shipping tube. Kind regards Peter Mitchell Perth Western Australia E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From peter_m at amnet.net.au Sun Sep 5 07:10:04 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:10:04 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover County V8 air con compressor and bracket - will it fit P6B? In-Reply-To: <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> Message-ID: <002b01cb4cf3$46133960$d239ac20$@net.au> Hi netters, On eBay, in my home city of Perth Western Australia, there is an air conditioning compressor and its mounting bracket from a V8 Land Rover County. I am rather tempted by the prospect of losing my York compressor which is the size of a small safe. So, the question is: has anyone with a P6B fitted anything other than the old-fashioned York compressor to their car? Advice would be welcomed. Many thanks Peter Mitchell E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From giannid at bigpond.com Sun Sep 5 07:16:41 2010 From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:16:41 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover County V8 air con compressor and bracket - will it fit P6B? In-Reply-To: <002b01cb4cf3$46133960$d239ac20$@net.au> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> <002b01cb4cf3$46133960$d239ac20$@net.au> Message-ID: <25A68880-EE19-4E44-9815-441AC49E3694@bigpond.com> I have a Saab 900 compressor fitted to a range rover bracket on my P5B minimal modification and fits well works... well...like a breeze Cheers Gianni On 05/09/2010, at 10:10 PM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > Hi netters, > > On eBay, in my home city of Perth Western Australia, there is an air > conditioning compressor and its mounting bracket from a V8 Land Rover > County. > > I am rather tempted by the prospect of losing my York compressor > which is > the size of a small safe. > > So, the question is: has anyone with a P6B fitted anything other > than the > old-fashioned York compressor to their car? > > Advice would be welcomed. > > Many thanks > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this > page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From peter_m at amnet.net.au Sun Sep 5 07:32:26 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:32:26 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover County V8 air con compressor and bracket - will it fit P6B? In-Reply-To: <25A68880-EE19-4E44-9815-441AC49E3694@bigpond.com> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> <002b01cb4cf3$46133960$d239ac20$@net.au> <25A68880-EE19-4E44-9815-441AC49E3694@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <003301cb4cf6$65e17010$31a45030$@net.au> Many thanks Gianni, It is time to have the aircon sorted out with a modern compressor. By the way, do you recall our discussion a few months back about radiators? You kindly offered me a new 3500S radiator. As I needed one with an automatic transmission cooler, I went for a new 3-core soldered on to my old top and bottom tank. Problem solved. No more hot running. Cheers Peter Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Gianni D'Ortenzio Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 8:17 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Rover County V8 air con compressor and bracket - will it fit P6B? I have a Saab 900 compressor fitted to a range rover bracket on my P5B minimal modification and fits well works... well...like a breeze Cheers Gianni E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From kkinard at att.net Sun Sep 5 16:08:01 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover County V8 air con compressor and bracket - will it fit P6B? In-Reply-To: <25A68880-EE19-4E44-9815-441AC49E3694@bigpond.com> References: <210939.65123.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7FBCDF.3060509@att.net> <002b01cb4cf3$46133960$d239ac20$@net.au> <25A68880-EE19-4E44-9815-441AC49E3694@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <4C8406B1.30708@att.net> Hi Peter and Gianni, This is good to know as I have many Range Rover brackets and compressors and need to put better A/C on my P6B (glass roof) and P5B Coupe. I think there is actually more space for this bracket in the P6B than the P5B. Roverly, Kent K. Gianni D'Ortenzio wrote: > I have a Saab 900 compressor fitted to a range rover bracket on my P5B > minimal modification and fits well > works... well...like a breeze > Cheers Gianni > > > On 05/09/2010, at 10:10 PM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > >> Hi netters, >> >> On eBay, in my home city of Perth Western Australia, there is an air >> conditioning compressor and its mounting bracket from a V8 Land Rover >> County. >> >> I am rather tempted by the prospect of losing my York compressor >> which is >> the size of a small safe. >> >> So, the question is: has anyone with a P6B fitted anything other than >> the >> old-fashioned York compressor to their car? >> >> Advice would be welcomed. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Peter Mitchell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) >> Database version: 6.14880 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. >> Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. > Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From Mark.Clark at oit.edu Sun Sep 5 22:54:17 2010 From: Mark.Clark at oit.edu (Mark Clark) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:54:17 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner Message-ID: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> Greetings! I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself. I've been a serial British car owner and restorer since the late 1980s, and last December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my fleet. I live in southern Oregon, and teach the history of technology to engineering students for a living. The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new and owned by the same person for forty years. After his death it sat neglected, changing hands a few times but going un-restored due to its poor condition. I purchased from a fellow in Portland, Oregon who had planned to make a hot rod out of it but decided not to once he saw how sound the body shell was. I was willing to pay the small purchase price he asked due to the lack of rust - the car is otherwise in need of much love (new paint, interior, and major mechanical work). I now have most of the mechanicals put right (engine, brakes, and driveline) and the electricals working - interior is next. The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a trip to England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 club was having their national meeting the weekend I was there. I very much enjoyed seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, and met some very nice people. I also had a chance to visit J.R. Wadhams - absolutely fascinating workshop and manufacturing operation. My one question for the moment regards tires. The ones on the car are well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked. I'd appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would work well with my original wheels, particularly as my car does not have power steering. I'd also be curious if there are wheels from other cars that can be used on the P5 without modification. Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with folks on the list and sharing experiences. Mark Dr. Mark Clark Professor of History Oregon Institute of Technology Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Sep 5 23:07:10 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:07:10 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner In-Reply-To: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> References: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> Message-ID: <5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> Greetings Mark Since you are a self-confessed serial British car owner, you have come to the right place for treatment. We can help you manage your ill.. er obsession, and reduce the frustration associated with Rover manuals ("Offer up the gearbox to the engine, making sure not to stress the primary pinion." I can't even pick the box up...) With time you may even learn to like ordinary basic unthinking uninnovative engineering. That may destroy your career however. In the meantime continue espousing F heads and overdrives to 20 year olds. Any 185 radial usually works fine on the P5 wheels, I had a P4 and used them a lot. Generally harder compound tyres are the go since Rovers are heavy. Oops I didn't say that. Paul Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Clark" <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner > Greetings! > > I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself. I've been > a serial British car owner and restorer since the late 1980s, and last > December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my fleet. I live in southern > Oregon, and teach the history of technology to engineering students for a > living. > > The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new and owned > by the same person for forty years. After his death it sat neglected, > changing hands a few times but going un-restored due to its poor > condition. I purchased from a fellow in Portland, Oregon who had planned > to make a hot rod out of it but decided not to once he saw how sound the > body shell was. I was willing to pay the small purchase price he asked > due to the lack of rust - the car is otherwise in need of much love (new > paint, interior, and major mechanical work). I now have most of the > mechanicals put right (engine, brakes, and driveline) and the electricals > working - interior is next. > > The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a trip to > England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 club was having > their national meeting the weekend I was there. I very much enjoyed > seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, and met some very nice > people. I also had a chance to visit J.R. Wadhams - absolutely > fascinating workshop and manufacturing operation. > > My one question for the moment regards tires. The ones on the car are > well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked. I'd > appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would work well with > my original wheels, particularly as my car does not have power steering. > I'd also be curious if there are wheels from other cars that can be used > on the P5 without modification. > > Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with folks > on the list and sharing experiences. > > Mark > > Dr. Mark Clark > Professor of History > Oregon Institute of Technology > Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From giannid at bigpond.com Sun Sep 5 23:19:13 2010 From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:19:13 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner In-Reply-To: <5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> References: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> <5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> Message-ID: <11D05B27-507A-4CD6-9DA4-7EF74165A470@bigpond.com> welcome Mark ?Paul...you say there is treatment....where, when how? this forum seems to feed the problem rather than cure it! I started with just one P3 now look at the list below! (and it doesn't mention the Triumph 2500 I have just unintentionally acquired) Cheers Gianni 1948 P3 4 light 1949 P3 6 light 1969 P5BC 1971 P6B 1977 Lotus Elite 501 2004 Landrover Defender On 06/09/2010, at 2:07 PM, Netspace wrote: > Greetings Mark > > Since you are a self-confessed serial British car owner, you have > come to the right place for treatment. > We can help you manage your ill.. er obsession, and reduce the > frustration associated with Rover manuals ("Offer up the gearbox to > the engine, making sure not to stress the primary pinion." I can't > even pick the box up...) > With time you may even learn to like ordinary basic unthinking > uninnovative engineering. That may destroy your career however. In > the meantime continue espousing F heads and overdrives to 20 year > olds. > > Any 185 radial usually works fine on the P5 wheels, I had a P4 and > used them a lot. Generally harder compound tyres are the go since > Rovers are heavy. Oops I didn't say that. > > Paul Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Clark" <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner > > >> Greetings! >> >> I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself. >> I've been a serial British car owner and restorer since the late >> 1980s, and last December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my >> fleet. I live in southern Oregon, and teach the history of >> technology to engineering students for a living. >> >> The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new >> and owned by the same person for forty years. After his death it >> sat neglected, changing hands a few times but going un-restored due >> to its poor condition. I purchased from a fellow in Portland, >> Oregon who had planned to make a hot rod out of it but decided not >> to once he saw how sound the body shell was. I was willing to pay >> the small purchase price he asked due to the lack of rust - the car >> is otherwise in need of much love (new paint, interior, and major >> mechanical work). I now have most of the mechanicals put right >> (engine, brakes, and driveline) and the electricals working - >> interior is next. >> >> The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a >> trip to England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 >> club was having their national meeting the weekend I was there. I >> very much enjoyed seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, >> and met some very nice people. I also had a chance to visit J.R. >> Wadhams - absolutely fascinating workshop and manufacturing >> operation. >> >> My one question for the moment regards tires. The ones on the car >> are well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked. >> I'd appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would >> work well with my original wheels, particularly as my car does not >> have power steering. I'd also be curious if there are wheels from >> other cars that can be used on the P5 without modification. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with >> folks on the list and sharing experiences. >> >> Mark >> >> Dr. Mark Clark >> Professor of History >> Oregon Institute of Technology >> Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this >> page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this > page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From scottsoldautorubber at bigpond.com.au Sun Sep 5 23:49:26 2010 From: scottsoldautorubber at bigpond.com.au (Scott Richmond) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:49:26 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner References: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> <5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> Message-ID: <3E1BE19C65F8454EA865B2A01E9CBAF1@userpc> Yes, the 185s are fine, but I have had better luck with 195 x 15 radials, I have even had much wider on the rims, but I would not advise it. New email address: scott at scottsoldautorubber.com.au New postal address: P.O. Box 105, Mount Waverley 3149 www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au Open 9 - 5.00 Monday to Friday. Closed Saturday and Sunday. Automotive Rubber and Seals for Many Makes and Models, 12 Haughton Road, Oakleigh, Melbourne 3166, Australia. Phone and Fax: + 61- 3 - 9563 3023 http://www.xe.net/pca/ (Currency Converter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner > Greetings Mark > > Since you are a self-confessed serial British car owner, you have come to > the right place for treatment. > We can help you manage your ill.. er obsession, and reduce the frustration > associated with Rover manuals ("Offer up the gearbox to the engine, making > sure not to stress the primary pinion." I can't even pick the box up...) > With time you may even learn to like ordinary basic unthinking > uninnovative engineering. That may destroy your career however. In the > meantime continue espousing F heads and overdrives to 20 year olds. > > Any 185 radial usually works fine on the P5 wheels, I had a P4 and used > them a lot. Generally harder compound tyres are the go since Rovers are > heavy. Oops I didn't say that. > > Paul Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Clark" <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner > > >> Greetings! >> >> I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself. I've been >> a serial British car owner and restorer since the late 1980s, and last >> December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my fleet. I live in southern >> Oregon, and teach the history of technology to engineering students for a >> living. >> >> The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new and >> owned by the same person for forty years. After his death it sat >> neglected, changing hands a few times but going un-restored due to its >> poor condition. I purchased from a fellow in Portland, Oregon who had >> planned to make a hot rod out of it but decided not to once he saw how >> sound the body shell was. I was willing to pay the small purchase price >> he asked due to the lack of rust - the car is otherwise in need of much >> love (new paint, interior, and major mechanical work). I now have most >> of the mechanicals put right (engine, brakes, and driveline) and the >> electricals working - interior is next. >> >> The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a trip to >> England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 club was having >> their national meeting the weekend I was there. I very much enjoyed >> seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, and met some very nice >> people. I also had a chance to visit J.R. Wadhams - absolutely >> fascinating workshop and manufacturing operation. >> >> My one question for the moment regards tires. The ones on the car are >> well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked. I'd >> appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would work well >> with my original wheels, particularly as my car does not have power >> steering. I'd also be curious if there are wheels from other cars that >> can be used on the P5 without modification. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with folks >> on the list and sharing experiences. >> >> Mark >> >> Dr. Mark Clark >> Professor of History >> Oregon Institute of Technology >> Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From vmitps at netspace.net.au Mon Sep 6 00:30:54 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:30:54 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner In-Reply-To: <11D05B27-507A-4CD6-9DA4-7EF74165A470@bigpond.com> References: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu><5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> <11D05B27-507A-4CD6-9DA4-7EF74165A470@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <FDB455B9786640E2B0576B91328B02EC@Vista> Yes... treatment. Like an injecting room, we don't try to curb the addiction. Rather help people manage it and accept it, and do it safely. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gianni D'Ortenzio" <giannid at bigpond.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner > welcome Mark > ?Paul...you say there is treatment....where, when how? > this forum seems to feed the problem rather than cure it! > I started with just one P3 > now look at the list below! > (and it doesn't mention the Triumph 2500 I have just unintentionally > acquired) > Cheers Gianni > 1948 P3 4 light > 1949 P3 6 light > 1969 P5BC > 1971 P6B > 1977 Lotus Elite 501 > 2004 Landrover Defender > > > > On 06/09/2010, at 2:07 PM, Netspace wrote: > >> Greetings Mark >> >> Since you are a self-confessed serial British car owner, you have come >> to the right place for treatment. >> We can help you manage your ill.. er obsession, and reduce the >> frustration associated with Rover manuals ("Offer up the gearbox to t he engine, making sure not to stress the primary pinion." I can't >> even pick the box up...) >> With time you may even learn to like ordinary basic unthinking >> uninnovative engineering. That may destroy your career however. In the >> meantime continue espousing F heads and overdrives to 20 year olds. >> >> Any 185 radial usually works fine on the P5 wheels, I had a P4 and used >> them a lot. Generally harder compound tyres are the go since Rovers are >> heavy. Oops I didn't say that. >> >> Paul Smith >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Clark" <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> >> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:54 PM >> Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner >> >> >>> Greetings! >>> >>> I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself. I've >>> been a serial British car owner and restorer since the late 1980s, and >>> last December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my fleet. I live in >>> southern Oregon, and teach the history of technology to engineering >>> students for a living. >>> >>> The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new and >>> owned by the same person for forty years. After his death it sat >>> neglected, changing hands a few times but going un-restored due to its >>> poor condition. I purchased from a fellow in Portland, Oregon who had >>> planned to make a hot rod out of it but decided not to once he saw how >>> sound the body shell was. I was willing to pay the small purchase >>> price he asked due to the lack of rust - the car is otherwise in need >>> of much love (new paint, interior, and major mechanical work). I now >>> have most of the mechanicals put right (engine, brakes, and driveline) >>> and the electricals working - interior is next. >>> >>> The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a trip >>> to England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 club was >>> having their national meeting the weekend I was there. I very much >>> enjoyed seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, and met some >>> very nice people. I also had a chance to visit J.R. Wadhams - >>> absolutely fascinating workshop and manufacturing operation. >>> >>> My one question for the moment regards tires. The ones on the car are >>> well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked. I'd >>> appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would work well >>> with my original wheels, particularly as my car does not have power >>> steering. I'd also be curious if there are wheels from other cars that >>> can be used on the P5 without modification. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with >>> folks on the list and sharing experiences. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Dr. Mark Clark >>> Professor of History >>> Oregon Institute of Technology >>> Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. >>> Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From kkinard at att.net Mon Sep 6 08:01:55 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:01:55 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner In-Reply-To: <3E1BE19C65F8454EA865B2A01E9CBAF1@userpc> References: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> <5FBFFBC86EC549B3BED48BFD4E778410@Vista> <3E1BE19C65F8454EA865B2A01E9CBAF1@userpc> Message-ID: <4C84E643.7040008@att.net> Scott Richmond wrote: > Yes, the 185s are fine, but I have had better luck with 195 x 15 > radials, I have even had much wider on the rims, but I would not > advise it. Hi Mark, Welcome to the list. 185R15 would be the proper size, but these are hard to find. The most common size that works is 205/75R15, but as Scott points out, they are a little wide. The 185R15 Michelins are expensive, but were standard on the P5B. As to wheels, the bolt pattern is 5"x5" but offset on most 5"x5" wheels (some older large Ford products, large Buick to about '78) made in America will put the tire too far out in the wheel well. A list of American and some foreign OEM bolt patterns can be found at http://www.massmudders.com/boltpatternref.html Cadillac wire wheels come in 5"x5". The nicest alloy wheels that fit and look good are from a Series 3 Jensen Interceptor. Slats Wolf in Vancouver, WA, is not too far from you and has a P5 Mk. II automatic. There may be others close by. Have you joined RCCC? Most of us Rover addicts belong and there are several P5's in the club. I have had Mk. I, IA, II, III and P5B and currently have the last two. Roverly, Kent Kinard San Antonio, TX From veetwinrider at yahoo.com Mon Sep 6 09:05:56 2010 From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 07:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner In-Reply-To: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FF0@Techmail2.oit.edu> Message-ID: <737580.99752.qm@web180511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Mark and welcome! I have a 1960 P5 and have been running 205/75 X 15. They are a bit wide, but being radials they ride nice and smooth. Of course they are the same tires that came with the car when I first got it over 10 years ago. I kind of like the larger size as I do not have overdrive and it helps a bit on the freeway. The 185 X?15 should be available as those were standard VW sizes. If not, expensive options like Lucas Tire and Coker are available to you. Good luck. ? roland 1960 P5 1956 Willys p/u --- On Sun, 9/5/10, Mark Clark <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> wrote: From: Mark Clark <Mark.Clark at oit.edu> Subject: [Rovernet ] New List Member - Rover P5 Series 1 Owner To: "rovernet at rovernet.ca" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:54 PM Greetings! I recently joined this list, and thought I'd introduce myself.? I've been a serial British car owner and restorer since the late 1980s, and last December I added a 1959 Rover P5 Saloon to my fleet.? I live in southern Oregon, and teach the history of technology to engineering students for a living. The car is a left hand drive model, imported to Seattle when new and owned by the same person for forty years.? After his death it sat neglected, changing hands a few times but going un-restored due to its poor condition.? I purchased from a fellow in Portland, Oregon who had planned to make a hot rod out of it but decided not to once he saw how sound the body shell was.? I was willing to pay the small purchase price he asked due to the lack of rust - the car is otherwise in need of much love (new paint, interior, and major mechanical work).? I now have most of the mechanicals put right (engine, brakes, and driveline) and the electricals working - interior is next.? The car has led me to some very nice encounters - I had planned a trip to England this summer anyway, and found that the Rover P5 club was having their national meeting the weekend I was there.? I very much enjoyed seeing over eighty P5s, all in great condition, and met some very nice people.? I also had a chance to visit J.R. Wadhams - absolutely fascinating workshop and manufacturing operation. My one question for the moment regards tires.? The ones on the car are well past being serviceable, being sun-damaged and cracked.? I'd appreciate suggestions as to modern replacements that would work well with my original wheels, particularly as my car does not have power steering.? I'd also be curious if there are wheels from other cars that can be used on the P5 without modification. Thanks in advance for any advice - I look forward to chatting with folks on the list and sharing experiences.? Mark Dr. Mark Clark Professor of History Oregon Institute of Technology Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100906/573f9fc9/attachment.html> From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Mon Sep 6 18:34:06 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:34:06 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] Sills repaired/Boot floor Message-ID: <32E16596-4556-4AA2-9A45-D99F04FAE70B@telusplanet.net> I got my car back from the panel beater on Friday. I found a name of a body man who holds panel beating courses for the Edmonton Classic Sportscar Club. Phil Johnson is also the last of the founding members of the club and holds a club position as a technical advisor. As I drove my 70 TC into his workshop, I noticed he was in the process of sorting out two Austin Healey 3000 body shells. I left it in his hands whether or not the sills needed patches or full replacement. When I went to get the car, I saw that the front bottom halves of both sills had been replaced, a hole at the drivers side rear wheel well had been repaired, as well as a small section of the bend where the passenger side inner sill meets the floor board. Phil said the rest of the sill metal was in good shape, and the jacking points are useable. That left me with a bit of clean up to do before I can put on my NOS outer sills. I spent the weekend stretched out on the garage floor with various scrapers tackling the rest of the old undercoating to get a good look at the rest of the inner sills. If anyone else needs to do this, save yourself some time and buy a scraper handle that holds a single edged razor blade. Takes the undercoating off with little effort, and if used carefully, leaves your paint untouched! I removed the residual undercoating with some thinner and elbow grease, and wire wheeled the surface rust I could see. Then the metal was washed with soap and water, left to dry and then wiped down with degreaser. Tomorrow I will give the rusty areas a going over with Dupli-color rust fix rust converter and follow up later this week with primer, a coat or two of rust paint, and then some fresh undercoating. While waiting for various things to dry etc, I tackled the 40 year old contact cement in the boot. An online search showed a marked preference for the use of laquer thinner to remove the adhesive. I had tried Goo-Gone earlier in the year with no effect at all. The laquer thinner did the job with repeated applications with a small brush, and then wiping with a rag. I have a little more to go, and then I can paint the boot. I have a feeling a replacement rubber boot kit will be unobtainable, so I have been pondering over spraying the boot with bedliner. Any thoughts guys? From carstuff3 at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 18:56:32 2010 From: carstuff3 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Tank Sender Message-ID: <AANLkTimnm6LdMuGhD_rHuKojES-j9AMruExr1wsADj7C@mail.gmail.com> I'm curious if anyone knows of a substitute fuel-tank sending unit for a Mk II 3 Litre. I bought one from JRW, but it was defective. Is there a universal one, or maybe a Land Rover one that might fit? Thanks, Gordon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From carstuff3 at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 19:57:49 2010 From: carstuff3 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:57:49 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Tank Sender In-Reply-To: <4C858CE7.3060806@att.net> References: <AANLkTimnm6LdMuGhD_rHuKojES-j9AMruExr1wsADj7C@mail.gmail.com> <4C858CE7.3060806@att.net> Message-ID: <AANLkTikLHGkyMsFanwq2QDyNnZKJUSdZs_BwKkuUxfus@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kent, Well, basically it doesn't work! It registers 0 ohms, and I know all the wiring is fine. I haven't taken it back out yet, and I'm hoping JRW will exchange it. Gordon. On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > Gordon Harrower wrote: > >> I'm curious if anyone knows of a substitute fuel-tank sending unit for a >> Mk >> II 3 Litre. I bought one from JRW, but it was defective. Is there a >> universal one, or maybe a Land Rover one that might fit? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gordon. >> >> > What kind of defect? Those things are sometimes repairable...especially if > they are nice and clean. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100906/9cbe2001/attachment.html> From den at aachenkennels.com Tue Sep 7 04:41:04 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:41:04 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] My car on Facebook. Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA972@Server.adoptsec.local> For those interested I have set up a photo album of the Rover special. You need to go to my face book site short cut below. Let me know if there are any problems and I'll send a link direct. 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100907/b3606214/attachment.html> From Mark.Clark at oit.edu Tue Sep 7 13:01:19 2010 From: Mark.Clark at oit.edu (Mark Clark) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:01:19 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rovernet Digest, Vol 125, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1283878804.7867.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.1.1283878804.7867.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <8CC32141E8BE6448B098DFE65DFC5E82025D427FFA@Techmail2.oit.edu> Dear Gordon; When I ordered a tank sender from JRW earlier this year, there was a delay in my order - Jon said that he had been having problems with defective units, and asked me to wait until he could be sure he could supply me with a working one. I got mine eventually, and it works fine. I assume he would be willing to replace yours if it is defective. Mark Dr. Mark Clark Professor of History Oregon Institute of Technology Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ________________________________________ From magnet at roverclub.org Tue Sep 7 17:47:06 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:47:06 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Ian Wilson - Rover Classics Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP69E0181624D1D925DD8FBB91710@phx.gbl> Has anyone an e-mail address for Ian Wilson at Rover Classics? TIA, -- Bill Daddis From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 17:59:46 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian & Susie Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:59:46 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Ian Wilson - Rover Classics In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP69E0181624D1D925DD8FBB91710@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP69E0181624D1D925DD8FBB91710@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <2AA52821-47DE-4CF1-A7B0-204F060BA6E3@gmail.com> Bill, try sales at rover-classics.co.uk > Has anyone an e-mail address for Ian Wilson at Rover Classics? From scareycolin54 at live.co.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:02 2010 From: scareycolin54 at live.co.uk (Colin Gould) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 23:22:02 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Ian Wilson - Rover Classics In-Reply-To: <2AA52821-47DE-4CF1-A7B0-204F060BA6E3@gmail.com> References: <BLU0-SMTP69E0181624D1D925DD8FBB91710@phx.gbl>, <2AA52821-47DE-4CF1-A7B0-204F060BA6E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <BLU133-W595D35091300A2658953C87710@phx.gbl> Hi All Ian Wilson can be contacted on 0044 1777 816600 or sales at rover-classics.co.uk I can honestly reccommend him , he is very knowledgeable and helpfull ! Happy Rovering !! Colin Gould Kingsadown Garage Faringdon England > From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:59:46 -0700 > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Ian Wilson - Rover Classics > > Bill, try sales at rover-classics.co.uk > > > Has anyone an e-mail address for Ian Wilson at Rover Classics? > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100907/745d3266/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Tue Sep 7 21:45:25 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:45:25 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Tank Sender In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnm6LdMuGhD_rHuKojES-j9AMruExr1wsADj7C@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTimnm6LdMuGhD_rHuKojES-j9AMruExr1wsADj7C@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C86F8C5.2080007@alum.swarthmore.edu> Hi Gordon, NOS Locators in Rhode Island lists a variety of fuel tank sending units on ebay such as this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR2-TR3-Fuel-Tank-Sender-NEW-w-DUAL-Brushes-/200514989091?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eaf9fec23 All the units appear to be based on the same casting with different length float arms and different tank mounting orientations, but it should be possible to adapt one of the units to most any application using the same flange mounting. You could modify the arm that comes with a new unit or re-use your original arm. The $45 price may make it worthwhile to adapt one of these to your 3 litre. --Steve On 9/6/2010 7:56 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote: > I'm curious if anyone knows of a substitute fuel-tank sending unit for a Mk > II 3 Litre. I bought one from JRW, but it was defective. Is there a > universal one, or maybe a Land Rover one that might fit? > > Thanks, > > Gordon. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100906/77e0f0bc/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From flynp170 at cablelynx.com Wed Sep 8 19:38:32 2010 From: flynp170 at cablelynx.com (flynp170 at cablelynx.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears Message-ID: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> I'm nearing the end of the road on my engine rebuild [finally]. I installed the new oil pump gears this weekend and there is not enough clearance between the gears and the housing. I called the supplier, they suggested polishing the gears on a wire wheel and cleaning up the housing. Both of which I have done. It is still to tight to use [ touching in places] Has any one else had this experence? Thanks Nick From Nash4447 at cs.com Wed Sep 8 21:58:56 2010 From: Nash4447 at cs.com (Nash4447 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:58:56 EDT Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears Message-ID: <91cd4.39e7ea9b.39b9a770@cs.com> Nick The SD1 Rimmer catalogue has a big discussion re differences in oil pump gears. Have you read this? Glenn Los Angeles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100908/4719b433/attachment.html> From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 9 04:47:23 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:17:23 +0930 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> Message-ID: <4C88AD2B.30709@ozemail.com.au> Hi Nick Try http://www.rover-v8.nl/v8web/v802.html http://www.roversd1.info/3500/oilpump.html Cheers Dave South Oz On 9/09/2010 10:08 AM, flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: > I'm nearing the end of the road on my engine rebuild [finally]. I > installed the new oil pump gears this weekend and there is not enough > clearance between the gears and the housing. I called the supplier, they > suggested polishing the gears on a wire wheel and cleaning up the housing. > Both of which I have done. It is still to tight to use [ touching in > places] Has any one else had this experence? Thanks Nick From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 9 07:41:40 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:41:40 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> Message-ID: <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> Hi Nick, This is very strange. Not enough clearance between the gears and the housing? The only way this would be possible with an old housing is if the housing is severely worn with deep scores and burrs producing points of interference. Do you still have your old pump gears? What is the clearance between the gears and the housing with the old gears? Stock clearance when new was .002 inches between the tips of the gear teeth and the sidewall of the chamber. An acceptable clearance with new gears in a worn chamber is twice that or .004-.005 inches. But NO clearance???? Can you measure the old and new gears with a micrometer? Difference should be minimal as most of the wear on the gears takes place on the face of the gears. Most of the clearance problems are from too much clearance between the chamber wall and the gear teeth. Unless there are burrs in the chamber, there should be no interference with the chamber walls and if you have burrs or scoring in the chamber, you will need another front cover. "Cleaning up" the chamber is not an option. If the old and new gears are almost the same diameter, the problem is in the chamber itself. You say the gears touch the chamber "in places", but clearance between the tips of the gear teeth and the chamber sidewall should be uniform for most of the circumference. Ideally, the walls of the chamber (as well as the ceiling against which the gears abut) should be smooth and free of any marks. I always use a steel plate between the pump base plate and the gear chamber, but you can have the stock base plate machined smooth and re-anodized. Follow the shop manual to establish proper end float. The gears when installed should stand proud of the mating surface on the end cover by .0058 inches. Stock oil pump gasket is .008, giving .0022 end float. This is where I made a mistake the first time I rebuilt an engine. I misread the shop manual (got in a hurry). Too much end float means spun rod bearings very shortly!!! Live and learn:-) Roverly, Kent K. flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: > I'm nearing the end of the road on my engine rebuild [finally]. I > installed the new oil pump gears this weekend and there is not enough > clearance between the gears and the housing. I called the supplier, they > suggested polishing the gears on a wire wheel and cleaning up the housing. > Both of which I have done. It is still to tight to use [ touching in > places] Has any one else had this experence? Thanks Nick > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From flynp170 at cablelynx.com Thu Sep 9 08:15:22 2010 From: flynp170 at cablelynx.com (flynp170 at cablelynx.com) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> Message-ID: <52726.206.255.126.52.1284038122.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> >Thanks Kent good info as usual! Yes I still have old gears and they seem to fit fine.I'll take some measurements and report back. Maybe I need a new cover; or just use the old gears. They are from a 60000 mile engine.It's the engine your oil pan came from. Does it have to be a timing cover from a SD 1 for the accessories to bolt up? Nick Hi Nick, > This is very strange. Not enough clearance between the gears and the > housing? The only way this would be possible with an old housing is if > the housing is severely worn with deep scores and burrs producing points > of interference. Do you still have your old pump gears? What is the > clearance between the gears and the housing with the old gears? Stock > clearance when new was .002 inches between the tips of the gear teeth > and the sidewall of the chamber. An acceptable clearance with new gears > in a worn chamber is twice that or .004-.005 inches. But NO > clearance???? Can you measure the old and new gears with a micrometer? > Difference should be minimal as most of the wear on the gears takes > place on the face of the gears. > > Most of the clearance problems are from too much clearance between the > chamber wall and the gear teeth. Unless there are burrs in the chamber, > there should be no interference with the chamber walls and if you have > burrs or scoring in the chamber, you will need another front cover. > "Cleaning up" the chamber is not an option. If the old and new gears are > almost the same diameter, the problem is in the chamber itself. You say > the gears touch the chamber "in places", but clearance between the tips > of the gear teeth and the chamber sidewall should be uniform for most of > the circumference. Ideally, the walls of the chamber (as well as the > ceiling against which the gears abut) should be smooth and free of any > marks. > > I always use a steel plate between the pump base plate and the gear > chamber, but you can have the stock base plate machined smooth and > re-anodized. Follow the shop manual to establish proper end float. The > gears when installed should stand proud of the mating surface on the end > cover by .0058 inches. Stock oil pump gasket is .008, giving .0022 end > float. This is where I made a mistake the first time I rebuilt an > engine. I misread the shop manual (got in a hurry). Too much end float > means spun rod bearings very shortly!!! Live and learn:-) > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > > > flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: >> I'm nearing the end of the road on my engine rebuild [finally]. I >> installed the new oil pump gears this weekend and there is not enough >> clearance between the gears and the housing. I called the supplier, >> they >> suggested polishing the gears on a wire wheel and cleaning up the >> housing. >> Both of which I have done. It is still to tight to use [ touching in >> places] Has any one else had this experence? Thanks Nick >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 9 09:11:46 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <52726.206.255.126.52.1284038122.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> <52726.206.255.126.52.1284038122.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> Message-ID: <4C88EB22.1090105@att.net> flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: >> Thanks Kent good info as usual! Yes I still have old gears and they seem >> > to fit fine.I'll take some measurements and report back. Maybe I need a > new cover; or just use the old gears. They are from a 60000 mile > engine.It's the engine your oil pan came from. Does it have to be a > timing cover from a SD 1 for the accessories to bolt up? Nick > > 60k miles on pump gears is not much. They may be fine, though I don't recommend re-using gears. I am more concerned about the cavity. Whoever advised you to "clean up" the cavity may not have been familiar with Buick/Rover front covers. Let's see what the gear OD measurements show. It's hard to imagine the gears being oversize and still able to mesh with each other without binding at their interface. As to the timing cover, yes, it must be SD1 or TR8. Some of the smaller manufacturers (Morgan, TVR, Marcos) would have used this cover at times, but not always. Buick front covers are available new, but the gears are wrong and the distributor drive is different and the accessories don't fit without some fiddling. There are several different Range Rover covers up to 1994 when the "interim" cover was introduced for certain models. The last ones before the "interim" cover will mount most of the SD1 accessories but require a matching Range Rover water pump and pulley. The "best" solution from an oiling system point of view, is to use the "interim" cover with crank driven oil pump. Some have the distributor hole blanked off and the hole must be carefully drilled and the boss for the retainer bolt tapped. They also require a crankshaft spacer, a longer Woodruff key, the late RR reverse rotation water pump with attending drive pullies. Not an encouraging prospect in terms of money or engineering unless you have a junk engine to use as a source (late '94 long wheelbase RR,'95 Classic or early Disco I). An interesting solution is to use the bottom half of a late front cover welded to the top half of an early RR front cover. I have pictures of one of these, otherwise I wouldn't have believed it possible. Still need the crank spacer and longer Woodruff key, but you keep the Vbelt drive to the early RR water pump. I don't think you can do this with the P6B or SD1 front cover/water pump. If I ever get my shop sorted, I have all the parts to do this and it may even be possible to do without welding using a ceramic heat set bonding agent. Keep talking to me. Roverly, Kent K. From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 9 10:26:39 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine Message-ID: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> Hi Netters, I may have spouted off about this at some point, but I do have my "ideal" Rover/Buick engine spec if anyone is interested. '64-'67 Buick 300 block bored .050 over to take 350 Buick pistons (no problems with slipped sleeves or main cap fretting) Rear of block will need some machining to take Rover crank and rear main seal. Rover 4.6 crank with early Buick 340/350 rods (not the best but really long for minimum side loads), alternatively late Buick 350 capscrew rods. Spacer to lengthen the crank is a stock RR piece. Crank/rod combination is to reduce rod angularity, get an internally balanced crankshaft with a nose long enough to support the crank driven oil pump. Will need a special flywheel zero balanced 300/340/350 diameter but with Rover crank flange. Alternatively, use Rover flywheel and move the 300 starter mounting inboard on the Buick block, but this would require a gear reduction starter. 4.0/4.6 heads for good fuel economy and torque. (alternatively, '64 Buick 300 heads. I'd go for the Wildcat heads but they are very expensive and this is supposed to be a low buck low rev engine) CR may determine what heads are most practical. 300 heads can be welded to get a better chamber shape or higher compression. '64 Buick 300 intake w. 600 cfm Carter/Weber/Edelbrock carb (high dollar would be a Willpower P76 single plane intake set up for fuel injection) Stock 3.9 cam with 4.0/4.6 camshaft retainer plate, stock lifters and new rockers/rocker shafts. Trueroller timing chain set Composite front cover ('80's RR upper, '96 RR lower with 340/350 oil pan modified to take late RR oil pickup using late RR front section.) large diameter late RR pickup takes oil directly to the crank driven oil pump without passing through the block. Whole mess only weighs about eighty pound more than a 4.6. I could lose almost that much if I stuck to my diet. Enough verbal diarrhea. I gotta go to work. Roverfantasticly, Kent K. From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Sep 9 11:03:29 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <4C88EB22.1090105@att.net> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> <52726.206.255.126.52.1284038122.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88EB22.1090105@att.net> Message-ID: <1EDFBA2E-5929-40B5-9BFE-E5DEEB456A3E@inkspotco.com> On 2010-09-09, at 7:11 AM, Kent Kinard wrote: > If I ever get my shop sorted, I have all the parts to do this and it may even be possible to do without welding using a ceramic heat set bonding agent. I don't think this would be on unless you added a doubler so the bond joint would be lapped. If I were to try it I'd wouldn't be looking at any of the "ceramic loaded" adhesives in any event. That said, I'm sure it could be done with the proper approach. We can have a long chat about adhesive bonding, I have quite a bit of experience with the process both formal and informal. Yours Vern From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 9 12:01:13 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:01:13 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <1EDFBA2E-5929-40B5-9BFE-E5DEEB456A3E@inkspotco.com> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> <52726.206.255.126.52.1284038122.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88EB22.1090105@att.net> <1EDFBA2E-5929-40B5-9BFE-E5DEEB456A3E@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <4C8912D9.6090807@att.net> Hi Vern, I bought some stuff...don't remember the brand...because it looked interesting. Haven't played with it yet. It has to be baked. I would definitely be interested on your experience and opinion. I'll send you a pic of the welded cover off net. Roverly, Kent K. Vern Klukas wrote: > On 2010-09-09, at 7:11 AM, Kent Kinard wrote: > >> If I ever get my shop sorted, I have all the parts to do this and it may even be possible to do without welding using a ceramic heat set bonding agent. >> > I don't think this would be on unless you added a doubler so the bond joint would be lapped. If I were to try it I'd wouldn't be looking at any of the "ceramic loaded" adhesives in any event. > > That said, I'm sure it could be done with the proper approach. We can have a long chat about adhesive bonding, I have quite a bit of experience with the process both formal and informal. > > Yours > Vern > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From james.moison at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 21:36:40 2010 From: james.moison at gmail.com (james moison) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:36:40 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> An aluminum block 327 would be easier On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > Hi Netters, > I may have spouted off about this at some point, but I do have my "ideal" > Rover/Buick engine spec if anyone is interested. > > '64-'67 Buick 300 block bored .050 over to take 350 Buick pistons (no > problems with slipped sleeves or main cap fretting) > Rear of block will need some machining to take Rover crank and rear main > seal. > Rover 4.6 crank with early Buick 340/350 rods (not the best but really long > for minimum side loads), alternatively late Buick 350 capscrew rods. > Spacer to lengthen the crank is a stock RR piece. > Crank/rod combination is to reduce rod angularity, get an internally > balanced crankshaft with a nose long enough to support the crank driven oil > pump. > Will need a special flywheel zero balanced 300/340/350 diameter but with > Rover crank flange. Alternatively, use Rover flywheel and move the 300 > starter mounting inboard on the Buick block, but this would require a gear > reduction starter. > 4.0/4.6 heads for good fuel economy and torque. (alternatively, '64 Buick > 300 heads. I'd go for the Wildcat heads but they are very expensive and > this is supposed to be a low buck low rev engine) CR may determine what > heads are most practical. 300 heads can be welded to get a better chamber > shape or higher compression. > '64 Buick 300 intake w. 600 cfm Carter/Weber/Edelbrock carb (high dollar > would be a Willpower P76 single plane intake set up for fuel injection) > Stock 3.9 cam with 4.0/4.6 camshaft retainer plate, stock lifters and new > rockers/rocker shafts. > Trueroller timing chain set > Composite front cover ('80's RR upper, '96 RR lower with 340/350 oil pan > modified to take late RR oil pickup using late RR front section.) large > diameter late RR pickup takes oil directly to the crank driven oil pump > without passing through the block. > Whole mess only weighs about eighty pound more than a 4.6. I could lose > almost that much if I stuck to my diet. > > Enough verbal diarrhea. I gotta go to work. > > Roverfantasticly, > Kent K. > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100909/e116f44c/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Thu Sep 9 22:00:40 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> james moison wrote: > An aluminum block 327 would be easier > > Ah, yes! But then it wouldn't even LOOK like a Rover. You can at least make a Ford look like a Rover to the casual eye. Besides, I don't have a 327/350 Chev. of any sort lying around and I do have all the Buick stuff. Aluminum block Chevys are expensive. I don't want more than 200HP, but gobs of low down torque. Dreaming is fun!!!! Roverly, Kent K. From james.moison at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 00:39:37 2010 From: james.moison at gmail.com (james moison) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:39:37 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> Message-ID: <AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> OK, actually a dry sump version of the 4.7 litre 32 valve v-8 in my 4-runner would work. It's a Lexus engine. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > james moison wrote: > >> An aluminum block 327 would be easier >> >> >> > Ah, yes! But then it wouldn't even LOOK like a Rover. You can at least make > a Ford look like a Rover to the casual eye. Besides, I don't have a 327/350 > Chev. of any sort lying around and I do have all the Buick stuff. Aluminum > block Chevys are expensive. I don't want more than 200HP, but gobs of low > down torque. > > Dreaming is fun!!!! > > Roverly, > > Kent K. > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100909/e054a1f7/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Fri Sep 10 08:12:16 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:12:16 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> <AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> james moison wrote: > OK, actually a dry sump version of the 4.7 litre 32 valve v-8 in my 4-runner > would work. It's a Lexus engine. > This has been done several times in Australia with SD1's to excellent effect!!! Roverly, Kent K. From peter_m at amnet.net.au Fri Sep 10 08:53:02 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:53:02 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine-support for concept In-Reply-To: <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> <AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> Message-ID: <003001cb50ef$7ce83670$76b8a350$@net.au> Yes Kent, Glad to see you are in support of these concepts. My stepson Ben (Toyota MR2 owner) has suggested this engine to me as a highly viable alternative to obtaining the oomph for legal cruising. By the way, when I first subscribed to Rovernet some 7 years ago, local colleagues here in Western Australia were horrified to learn of my aim to install an overdrive automatic into my P6B. I haven't done it yet, but plan to, but what is interesting that with the availability of 5 and 6-speed auto transmissions, the concept has the capacity to allow driving our cars at highway speeds and in relative comfort. Regards, Peter Mitchell This has been done several times in Australia with SD1's to excellent effect!!! Roverly, Kent K. E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From peterhut at activ8.net.au Fri Sep 10 17:11:41 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:11:41 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net> <AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> Message-ID: <57bl861iunb435r0jggs0mepehbs6famqr@4ax.com> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:12:16 -0500, you wrote: >james moison wrote: >> OK, actually a dry sump version of the 4.7 litre 32 valve v-8 in my 4-runner >> would work. It's a Lexus engine. >> >This has been done several times in Australia with SD1's to excellent >effect!!! Yes. Here is one of our member's cars, complete Lexus engine and gearbox. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/2405116816/in/set-72157608802968535/ Cheers, Peter H From den at aachenkennels.com Fri Sep 10 18:45:22 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:45:22 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net><AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA9D9@Server.adoptsec.local> Anyone heard of a Lexus V8 in a Defender? -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard Sent: Friday, 10 September 2010 9:12 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Dream engine james moison wrote: > OK, actually a dry sump version of the 4.7 litre 32 valve v-8 in my 4-runner > would work. It's a Lexus engine. > This has been done several times in Australia with SD1's to excellent effect!!! Roverly, Kent K. To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Fri Sep 10 18:57:18 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 09:27:18 +0930 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA9D9@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net><AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA9D9@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <4C8AC5DE.3020300@ozemail.com.au> Hmmmm I do not know of the power/torque of the Lexus, but be prepared to swap out all of the Defender's drivetrain components with the possible exception of the Salisbury diff. I have had clutch issues swapping in an International HS2800! http://members.ozemail.com.au/~defender110 at ozemail.com.au/mypage/hs2800.htm I took the easy way out with my SD1, dropping in a stock injected 4.6 with a digital Haltech engine management unit. Power and torque up the kazoo! Cheers Dave South Oz On 11/09/2010 9:15 AM, Dennis Gallacher wrote: > Anyone heard of a Lexus V8 in a Defender? > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On Behalf Of Kent Kinard > Sent: Friday, 10 September 2010 9:12 PM > To: Rovernet > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Dream engine > > james moison wrote: >> OK, actually a dry sump version of the 4.7 litre 32 valve v-8 in my > 4-runner >> would work. It's a Lexus engine. >> > This has been done several times in Australia with SD1's to excellent > effect!!! > > Roverly, > Kent K. From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Fri Sep 10 19:10:18 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 09:40:18 +0930 Subject: [Rovernet ] Dream engine In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA9D9@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <4C88FCAF.5020100@att.net> <AANLkTi=zFsPn2=dhf3HBh-V=R2MtkEPwkF_hBW_FdxdN@mail.gmail.com> <4C899F58.1080107@att.net><AANLkTim-0u5zeun725_-fT8iMHZWEJD6VQ5+opPRR7aO@mail.gmail.com> <4C8A2EB0.4030707@att.net> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DA9D9@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <4C8AC8EA.9030401@ozemail.com.au> Oops, pressed send too soon. Side advantages of the Haltech in the SD1 were ..... * replacement of the restrictive air flapper sensor with an "in intake" thermistor airflow sensor. * removal of the injector ballast pack as the Haltech drives the injectors directly. * laptop tuning of fuel and ignition parameters "on the run" - (performed by a passenger - <VBG>) Cheer Dave South Oz From magnet at roverclub.org Mon Sep 13 18:27:14 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:27:14 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] 1951 Cyclops FS - Ontario, Canada Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> I have just received a message from a lady who has a 1951 Rover 75 "Cyclops" she must sell. I gather it is complete except for the front bumper, and was in running order some 10 years ago, since when it has been in storage. It is the all-too-common story, her husband was restoring it, but passed away before the job was finished. A few other details: it was repainted in Dove Grey and comes with the owner's manual. I have not seen the car, which is about 90 miles away from where I live, but might possibly find the time to have a look at it in the next few weeks. The car is located between Simcoe and Tillsonburg, Ontario, a few miles north of Lake Erie. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I'll pass along the contact details of the owner. Cheers, -- Bill Daddis From peter_m at amnet.net.au Tue Sep 14 07:33:51 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:33:51 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> Hello to all, This weekend I am having my near-new whitewall tyres taken off their SD1 rims, and put back on to the traditional steel P6B rims. It was nice having the alloys but I feel a need for a traditional look for the foreseeable future. I want also to cover the whitewall and simply have black rubber. I gave the spare a few coats of tyre black and it does appear to hide the white surface. My thought is to have the tyres reversed on the rims with the whitewall on the inside, as well as the surface being painted over. Or I could leave the whitewall facing out and keep laying on the tyre black. Are there any other potential remedies out in Roverland please? Many thanks Peter Mitchell E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Sep 14 10:27:48 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B In-Reply-To: <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> Message-ID: <40B2598A-FE4F-474C-A8E5-D6BE118A68EA@inkspotco.com> Reversing the tyre is the traditional solution, as long as the tire doesn't have direction of rotation arrow. Yours Vern On 2010-09-14, at 5:33 AM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > Hello to all, > > This weekend I am having my near-new whitewall tyres taken off their SD1 > rims, and put back on to the traditional steel P6B rims. > > It was nice having the alloys but I feel a need for a traditional look for > the foreseeable future. > > I want also to cover the whitewall and simply have black rubber. > > I gave the spare a few coats of tyre black and it does appear to hide the > white surface. > > My thought is to have the tyres reversed on the rims with the whitewall on > the inside, as well as the surface being painted over. > > Or I could leave the whitewall facing out and keep laying on the tyre black. > > Are there any other potential remedies out in Roverland please? > > Many thanks > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From bsaunders at firstva.com Tue Sep 14 11:35:01 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:35:01 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B In-Reply-To: <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> Message-ID: <F589964424FB449CBD5AB33E470DA1CE@SD1> If these are radial tires then mount them with black wall out but make sure to switch the ones that were on the right to the left and visa versa to keep the direction of rotation the same as they were. Do not reverse the direction of rotation or they may separate. This is why no one rotates tires in the old "X" manner but only from front to rear always keeping them on the same side. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Peter Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:34 AM To: 'Rovernet' Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B Hello to all, This weekend I am having my near-new whitewall tyres taken off their SD1 rims, and put back on to the traditional steel P6B rims. It was nice having the alloys but I feel a need for a traditional look for the foreseeable future. I want also to cover the whitewall and simply have black rubber. I gave the spare a few coats of tyre black and it does appear to hide the white surface. My thought is to have the tyres reversed on the rims with the whitewall on the inside, as well as the surface being painted over. Or I could leave the whitewall facing out and keep laying on the tyre black. Are there any other potential remedies out in Roverland please? Many thanks Peter Mitchell E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 02:35:00 From irishrover1 at live.com Tue Sep 14 11:15:58 2010 From: irishrover1 at live.com (Frederick Ben Rodgers) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:15:58 -0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] P4 Gear Box In-Reply-To: <F589964424FB449CBD5AB33E470DA1CE@SD1> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl>, <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au>, <F589964424FB449CBD5AB33E470DA1CE@SD1> Message-ID: <COL111-W354E896A6272E0EB232C287780@phx.gbl> Hi Ben did you get the gear box okay??? Ben (irishrover) ************* My Books Lily & Me, and The Royal Navy & Me, are now available as E-Books. Go to www.smashwords.com Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com > From: bsaunders at firstva.com > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:35:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B > > If these are radial tires then mount them with black wall out but make sure > to switch the ones that were on the right to the left and visa versa to keep > the direction of rotation the same as they were. Do not reverse the > direction of rotation or they may separate. This is why no one rotates tires > in the old "X" manner but only from front to rear always keeping them on the > same side. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On > Behalf Of Peter Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:34 AM > To: 'Rovernet' > Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B > > Hello to all, > > This weekend I am having my near-new whitewall tyres taken off their SD1 > rims, and put back on to the traditional steel P6B rims. > > It was nice having the alloys but I feel a need for a traditional look for > the foreseeable future. > > I want also to cover the whitewall and simply have black rubber. > > I gave the spare a few coats of tyre black and it does appear to hide the > white surface. > > My thought is to have the tyres reversed on the rims with the whitewall on > the inside, as well as the surface being painted over. > > Or I could leave the whitewall facing out and keep laying on the tyre black. > > Are there any other potential remedies out in Roverland please? > > Many thanks > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 > 02:35:00 > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/4bd8efdb/attachment.html> From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 14 13:51:53 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:51:53 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required Message-ID: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> Hi Everyone, I wonder if anyone can help me locate NOS parts for 3500S I am requireing the following; 1.Side marker lamps (complete) 2. Door mirrors x 2 ( Not Winguard as fitted as a option over here in England but the US style that I have seen on many NADA cars, round head on a stem which leans forwards with one fixing screw at the base) 3.Aircon facia plate (switch panel) A bit of a long shot but worth a try. Many thanks Rich Jones -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/db09c243/attachment.html> From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 13:56:16 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required In-Reply-To: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> References: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <220955.81202.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rich, If by aircon facia plate you mean the squarish plastic box that sits in the center of the lower dash and has the air con vents and switch mounted in it, I have one.? I'm in the US, but am happy to post it. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ From: rich jones <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> To: The original Rovernet ... <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:51:53 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required Hi Everyone, I wonder if anyone can help me locate NOS parts for 3500S I am requireing the following; 1.Side marker lamps (complete) 2. Door mirrors x 2 ( Not Winguard as fitted as a option over here in England but the US style that I have seen on many NADA cars, round head on a stem which leans forwards with one fixing screw at the base) 3.Aircon facia plate (switch panel) A bit of a long shot but worth a try. Many thanks Rich Jones -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/db09c243/attachment.html> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/492be863/attachment.html> From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Sep 14 14:03:12 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required In-Reply-To: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> References: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <401D99B5-FE0D-4F3E-9AF7-9D61DB9C0578@inkspotco.com> That's curious, because the mirror you describe doesn't ring a bell with me. In my experience, the door mirrors supplied as accessories here were always trapezoidal. Yours Vern On 2010-09-14, at 11:51 AM, rich jones wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I wonder if anyone can help me locate NOS parts for 3500S > > I am requireing the following; > > 1.Side marker lamps (complete) > 2. Door mirrors x 2 ( Not Winguard as fitted as a option over here in England but the US style that I have seen on many NADA cars, round head on a stem which leans forwards with one fixing screw at the base) > 3.Aircon facia plate (switch panel) > > A bit of a long shot but worth a try. > > Many thanks > > Rich Jones > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/db09c243/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 14 14:21:36 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required References: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> <401D99B5-FE0D-4F3E-9AF7-9D61DB9C0578@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <C84FCA0DA52D4909B7B449D339BE2DAF@richc2upoimqhi> Yeah, I know where your coming from... The nearest I have seen to the type I'm talking about are made by TEX, longbase mirror, however the type I have and have seen on others, are slightly different in terms of the stem angle as they lean towards the front of the car. I will attempt to find a way to post a image. I suspect that they are fairly generic and could possibly be found on other American cars. I believe them to be of a 70's vintage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Klukas" <vern at inkspotco.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required > That's curious, because the mirror you describe doesn't ring a bell with > me. In my experience, the door mirrors supplied as accessories here were > always trapezoidal. > > Yours > Vern > > On 2010-09-14, at 11:51 AM, rich jones wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> I wonder if anyone can help me locate NOS parts for 3500S >> >> I am requireing the following; >> >> 1.Side marker lamps (complete) >> 2. Door mirrors x 2 ( Not Winguard as fitted as a option over here in >> England but the US style that I have seen on many NADA cars, round head >> on a stem which leans forwards with one fixing screw at the base) >> 3.Aircon facia plate (switch panel) >> >> A bit of a long shot but worth a try. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rich Jones >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/db09c243/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 07:35:00 From kkinard at att.net Tue Sep 14 14:30:28 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required In-Reply-To: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> References: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <4C8FCD54.7080608@att.net> Hi Rich, The lens for the side marker lights are P5B pieces which should be available to you. The lamp bodies may be unique and I may have some of those. I will also check on the mirrors. A picture would be helpful. Hard to believe these aren't available from someone... I probably have an aircon face plate. It will be the weekend before I tell you for sure and if I only have one NOS, I will want to save it for my car. Would you be interested in excellent used if I have it? Roverly, Kent K. San Antonio, TX rich jones wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I wonder if anyone can help me locate NOS parts for 3500S > > I am requireing the following; > > 1.Side marker lamps (complete) > 2. Door mirrors x 2 ( Not Winguard as fitted as a option over here in England but the US style that I have seen on many NADA cars, round head on a stem which leans forwards with one fixing screw at the base) > 3.Aircon facia plate (switch panel) > > A bit of a long shot but worth a try. > > Many thanks > > Rich Jones > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/db09c243/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 15:14:57 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:14:57 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Required In-Reply-To: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> References: <8E848D809DDA4916AEC28D01830889DA@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <AANLkTim2VOr+JJuuwnm8haWmtNtuowwc2=s-Bccu6g3=@mail.gmail.com> Rich I might have an amber lens or two for the side markers but the rest of the parts are apparently made from purest unobtainium. I *think* some parts may be common with the side markers on the P5B Both my cars and every other original 3500S I have met have been fitted with Wingards from new - I can't think of the type you describe either. The facia panel for the A/C is also very rare beast indeed. There is a recent post on the Classic Rover Forum where one UK owner was able to make a subsitute panel - not exact but more than good enough until someone can restart production. HTH Aidrian From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Tue Sep 14 22:16:08 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:16:08 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Message-ID: <43AE15D7-52D2-4B44-8B47-5998C83207CD@telusplanet.net> For the sidemarkers, if you are talking about the ones that hang below the bumper, all new ones are available through Angloparts. Take a look at the angloparts "tools" catalog. You can obtain a PDF copy here: http://www.anglodesign.be/images_ap/Toolcatalogue_2005.pdf You can see the sidemarkers on page 91. Bert Van Riel at the Sports car Centre in Edmonton Alberta (Phone 780 440 9426) is a dealer for Angloparts. He had a pair on the shelf when I was in once last year. Exactly the same as the ones that came with my '70 federal TC. Price if I recall with lenses was about $45.00 canadian each. You may still have to find the holder the light attaches to the bumper with. Roy Sports Car Centre 12116 - 121A Street Edmonton , Alberta T5L 0A4 Telephone: (1) 780 440 9426 Facsimile: (1) 780 440 9426 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100914/eb1a57f3/attachment.html> From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Tue Sep 14 22:19:50 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts Message-ID: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> Sorry Rich, skipped over the "here in England" line. List of European Angloparts dealers can be found here: http://www.angloparts.com/en/about From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 15 03:08:58 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:08:58 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts References: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <77979702804A4042974319902BE67EE3@richc2upoimqhi> I think I have managed to post a pic of the mirror in question on Photobucket http://s858.photobucket.com If you find this does not work please let me know Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:19 AM Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts > Sorry Rich, skipped over the "here in England" line. > List of European Angloparts dealers can be found here: > http://www.angloparts.com/en/about > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 07:35:00 From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 15 03:18:25 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:18:25 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts References: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> <77979702804A4042974319902BE67EE3@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <DB24C2ED3DD44A0A8B9BA9AD732C8818@richc2upoimqhi> CORRECTION. Typically got that wrong on my first attempt! URL:http://s856.photobucket.com/album ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] NOS parts >I think I have managed to post a pic of the mirror in question on > Photobucket > http://s858.photobucket.com > If you find this does not work please let me know > Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:19 AM > Subject: [Rovernet ] NOS parts > > >> Sorry Rich, skipped over the "here in England" line. >> List of European Angloparts dealers can be found here: >> http://www.angloparts.com/en/about >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 > 07:35:00 > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 07:35:00 From jim at sardonis.com Wed Sep 15 06:00:23 2010 From: jim at sardonis.com (Jim Sardonis) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:00:23 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] 1951 Cyclops FS - Ontario, Canada In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <2070CAD3-D6C3-4CC8-AC75-422BBB6D3F45@sardonis.com> Bill- I might be interested depending on price. Any idea what she's asking? Thanks. Jim Sardonis On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Magnet wrote: > I have just received a message from a lady who has a 1951 Rover 75 "Cyclops" she must sell. I gather it is complete except for the front bumper, and was in running order some 10 years ago, since when it has been in storage. It is the all-too-common story, her husband was restoring it, but passed away before the job was finished. A few other details: it was repainted in Dove Grey and comes with the owner's manual. > > I have not seen the car, which is about 90 miles away from where I live, but might possibly find the time to have a look at it in the next few weeks. > > The car is located between Simcoe and Tillsonburg, Ontario, a few miles north of Lake Erie. > > If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I'll pass along the contact details of the owner. > > Cheers, > > -- Bill Daddis > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From magnet at roverclub.org Wed Sep 15 06:43:20 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:43:20 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] 1951 Cyclops FS - Ontario, Canada In-Reply-To: <2070CAD3-D6C3-4CC8-AC75-422BBB6D3F45@sardonis.com> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> <2070CAD3-D6C3-4CC8-AC75-422BBB6D3F45@sardonis.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP10075293AD05A6E9F9E11CF91790@phx.gbl> Hi Jim, I don't know what sort of price she's asking, but she did say she hoped someone who appreciated the car would buy it. Feel free to call her -- Diane Fulton at 519 586 7862. If you mention my name she'll know how you found out about it. Good hunting! -- Bill Jim Sardonis wrote: > Bill- > I might be interested depending on price. Any idea what she's asking? > Thanks. > Jim Sardonis > On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Magnet wrote: > > >> I have just received a message from a lady who has a 1951 Rover 75 "Cyclops" she must sell. I gather it is complete except for the front bumper, and was in running order some 10 years ago, since when it has been in storage. It is the all-too-common story, her husband was restoring it, but passed away before the job was finished. A few other details: it was repainted in Dove Grey and comes with the owner's manual. >> >> I have not seen the car, which is about 90 miles away from where I live, but might possibly find the time to have a look at it in the next few weeks. >> >> The car is located between Simcoe and Tillsonburg, Ontario, a few miles north of Lake Erie. >> >> If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I'll pass along the contact details of the owner. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Bill Daddis >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Wed Sep 15 07:03:12 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Federal P6 door mirrors In-Reply-To: <DB24C2ED3DD44A0A8B9BA9AD732C8818@richc2upoimqhi> References: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> <77979702804A4042974319902BE67EE3@richc2upoimqhi> <DB24C2ED3DD44A0A8B9BA9AD732C8818@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <4C90B600.2000108@alum.swarthmore.edu> Rich, This link just goes to the main photobucket page. I will try to post photos of the correct mirror for Federal cars sometime soon. Some of them were labeled "Solar" on the mirror head. They are not Wingard or Tex mirrors. There was a separate part number and sketch in the late parts books for the mirror used on Federal cars. This part included the expanding cylinder nuts used to add threaded holes to the doors, the posidrive screws and the rubber gasket to go between the base and the door. The center-to-center distance between the holes in the base is 111mm, which is longer than any alternative mirrors that I have found. It is very rare to see the correct mirrors on Federal cars (and new or even good used mirrors are pretty much non-existant), because the arm casting typically cracks and then the arm falls off of the base. The pot metal base and arm usually are pitted too. The bottom line is that making a batch of new Federal mirrors would be a great project. Most 1968 - 1969 2000's need one of them, and most 1970/71 2000's and Federal 3500S's need two. Stephen Dibdin and I started investigating how to manufacture new mirrors of this style, but the project got put aside with other things happening. The base and arm would be cast from brass or stainless, but the mirror head could be a challenge because it is a stamping. TEX offers a similar shape head, but it is not as large as the original Solar one. --Steve Manwell On 9/15/2010 4:18 AM, rich jones wrote: > CORRECTION. > Typically got that wrong on my first attempt! > > URL:http://s856.photobucket.com/album > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] NOS parts > > >> I think I have managed to post a pic of the mirror in question on >> Photobucket >> http://s858.photobucket.com >> If you find this does not work please let me know >> Thanks >> >> ----- From peter_m at amnet.net.au Wed Sep 15 07:31:41 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:31:41 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Covering over the whitewall on tyres on P6B In-Reply-To: <F589964424FB449CBD5AB33E470DA1CE@SD1> References: <BLU0-SMTP73A3F4A3AC7012E86EA7BA91770@phx.gbl> <001401cb5409$17239d80$456ad880$@net.au> <F589964424FB449CBD5AB33E470DA1CE@SD1> Message-ID: <001701cb54d1$f36f5950$da4e0bf0$@net.au> Many thanks to Vern and Ben for your input on the whitewall tyres, I will coat the whitewalls in tyre black, have them reversed but keep them moving in the same direction. It was really Off Topic but then the car is a Rover. Tomorrow, the grand adventure: fitting a rotary air conditioning compressor and bracket, from a V8 Land Rover County, to the P6B, in place of the venerable York compressor. And a couple of electric fans in place of the viscous windmill. Cheers Peter Mitchell E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Sep 16 04:37:45 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:37:45 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust Message-ID: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B959636879B@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250684156520 Dear friends, Did you have good holydays? Only to know, what do you think about this car? thanks for your opinion. best regards, GR. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100916/c29a3fdf/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Thu Sep 16 04:57:07 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:57:07 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust In-Reply-To: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B959636879B@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> References: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B959636879B@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> Message-ID: <26040CA8E8124A3A9EC9198E8B5B0042@Vista> It will require a pretty full body restoration, not cheap. Interior looks ok. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust > http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250684156520 > > Dear friends, > > Did you have good holydays? > > Only to know, what do you think about this car? > > thanks for your opinion. > > best regards, GR. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100916/c29a3fdf/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Sep 16 05:13:19 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:13:19 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] R: Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust In-Reply-To: <26040CA8E8124A3A9EC9198E8B5B0042@Vista> References: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B959636879B@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> <26040CA8E8124A3A9EC9198E8B5B0042@Vista> Message-ID: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B95963687CD@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> I'd like to see the photos of the near side and of the rear part of the bottom. Absolutely not cheap. I' ve heard of english people who went in Poland trailering a SD1 for a complete welding and paint job, it was on a rover site, and it was a cheap and good job. Any news? Best regards, GR. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Netspace Inviato: gioved? 16 settembre 2010 11.57 A: Rovernet Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet ] Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust It will require a pretty full body restoration, not cheap. Interior looks ok. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover p5 on e- bay, extensive rear rust > http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250684156520 > > Dear friends, > > Did you have good holydays? > > Only to know, what do you think about this car? > > thanks for your opinion. > > best regards, GR. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100916/c29a3fdf/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Thu Sep 16 07:18:51 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:18:51 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Federal P6 door mirrors References: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> <77979702804A4042974319902BE67EE3@richc2upoimqhi><DB24C2ED3DD44A0A8B9BA9AD732C8818@richc2upoimqhi> <4C90B600.2000108@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <389B1C6F2646418C8A75099C276D24CC@richc2upoimqhi> Hi Steve, thanks for the info... Very frustrating not being able to post the photo direct on here.. Could I send you a pic direct if you could offer me your email? Mine is dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Thanks Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Federal P6 door mirrors > Rich, > > This link just goes to the main photobucket page. I will try to post > photos of the correct mirror for Federal cars sometime soon. Some of > them were labeled "Solar" on the mirror head. > > They are not Wingard or Tex mirrors. There was a separate part number > and sketch in the late parts books for the mirror used on Federal cars. > This part included the expanding cylinder nuts used to add threaded > holes to the doors, the posidrive screws and the rubber gasket to go > between the base and the door. The center-to-center distance between > the holes in the base is 111mm, which is longer than any alternative > mirrors that I have found. > > It is very rare to see the correct mirrors on Federal cars (and new or > even good used mirrors are pretty much non-existant), because the arm > casting typically cracks and then the arm falls off of the base. The > pot metal base and arm usually are pitted too. > > The bottom line is that making a batch of new Federal mirrors would be a > great project. Most 1968 - 1969 2000's need one of them, and most > 1970/71 2000's and Federal 3500S's need two. Stephen Dibdin and I > started investigating how to manufacture new mirrors of this style, but > the project got put aside with other things happening. The base and arm > would be cast from brass or stainless, but the mirror head could be a > challenge because it is a stamping. TEX offers a similar shape head, > but it is not as large as the original Solar one. > > --Steve Manwell > > > On 9/15/2010 4:18 AM, rich jones wrote: >> CORRECTION. >> Typically got that wrong on my first attempt! >> >> URL:http://s856.photobucket.com/album >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> >> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] NOS parts >> >> >>> I think I have managed to post a pic of the mirror in question on >>> Photobucket >>> http://s858.photobucket.com >>> If you find this does not work please let me know >>> Thanks >>> >>> ----- > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/14/10 07:35:00 From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Sep 16 17:00:34 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:00:34 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Federal P6 door mirrors In-Reply-To: <389B1C6F2646418C8A75099C276D24CC@richc2upoimqhi> References: <1B3BCF1A-3A9C-41DC-A935-92000D315D0B@telusplanet.net> <77979702804A4042974319902BE67EE3@richc2upoimqhi><DB24C2ED3DD44A0A8B9BA9AD732C8818@richc2upoimqhi> <4C90B600.2000108@alum.swarthmore.edu> <389B1C6F2646418C8A75099C276D24CC@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <lp45961squ5nsbd660rnk2962ph6tunqs9@4ax.com> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:18:51 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Steve, thanks for the info... >Very frustrating not being able to post the photo direct on here.. Eric is away at the moment. I remember he posted an email a while ago on how to post photos, did anyone keep a copy? Cheers, Peter H From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Mon Sep 20 22:06:40 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:06:40 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] New exhaust on but making loud noise Message-ID: <8242B1D3-1153-4FFD-846C-9CBB4990DF3F@telusplanet.net> Today I took my '70 TC into my local mechanics and had most of my 2 can exhaust replaced with a 3 can mild steel system that was supplied with the car. I thought I had explained it well enough, but it confused the hell out of the mechanic who couldn't figure out why the middle box didn't have a tail pipe. While the exhaust was off. I had the prop shaft disconnected and the rear transmission seal replaced with the 4 speed transmission insitu. Earlier I had noticed the support cross member hardware was looking pretty sad so I called Ruth to supply a new spring. Ruth had previously sold me the rubber cushions so I had these parts installed. After running the car for a half hour or so, there has been no gearbox oil loss, but the new exhaust started sounding loud at one of the rear joins, kind of the same sound as when there's a hole in a silencer, or like those kids with the large bore "mufflers" on their rice rockets, but only occurring with acceleration. I guess I need to go back and have the flanges tightened. Is this better to do when the pipes are cool or hot? Roy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100920/57f217d3/attachment.html> From aboasberg at webtv.net Mon Sep 20 22:22:18 2010 From: aboasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:22:18 GMT Subject: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S Message-ID: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> I am happy to report that my blue 1970 Rover 3500S won an award yesterday at the Capitol Concours d'Elegance in Sacramento, CA. Most of the cars on display are permanently garaged and only driven or trailered to these shows. Mine was the only one in my class that is a daily driver. Many members of the visiting public had never seen nor heard of Rover before, although the judges were surprisingly well informed. Best regards to all. Albert From Nash4447 at cs.com Mon Sep 20 22:25:07 2010 From: Nash4447 at cs.com (Nash4447 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:25:07 EDT Subject: [Rovernet ] New exhaust on but making loud noise Message-ID: <7dde9.7f66acff.39c97f93@cs.com> Roy If it is a leak at a tailpipe or muffler joint, it won't make any difference whether tightening hot or cold. If the leak is up at the exhaust manifold, I would recommend tightening COLD to manual torque specs. Glenn Los Angeles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the leak is up at the > exhaust manifold, > I would recommend tightening COLD to manual torque specs. > > Glenn Los Angeles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100920/31e70671/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From RoverP6 at gmx.de Tue Sep 21 02:42:34 2010 From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:42:34 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <0428958A346C48C1AB562D0A88431630@rw> Great news, Albert - congratulations ! Rudiger www.RoverP6.info -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Albert Boasberg" <aboasberg at webtv.net> An: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2010 05:22 Betreff: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S I am happy to report that my blue 1970 Rover 3500S won an award yesterday at the Capitol Concours d'Elegance in Sacramento, CA. Most of the cars on display are permanently garaged and only driven or trailered to these shows. Mine was the only one in my class that is a daily driver. Many members of the visiting public had never seen nor heard of Rover before, although the judges were surprisingly well informed. Best regards to all. Albert To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From flynp170 at cablelynx.com Tue Sep 21 07:56:44 2010 From: flynp170 at cablelynx.com (flynp170 at cablelynx.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> Message-ID: <51171.206.255.126.52.1285073804.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> >Hi Kent, This is what I did . I measured the distance between the ends of the gear teeth [old gears]and the chamber and it was .002. So I used the old gears. I used a steel base plate and used a shim kit to get the end float to .0025. Thanks for your help. The new gears were about .003 bigger than old gears?? Do you know if there is an off the shelf throw out bearing?ie Napa Autozone. Mine feels ok but I would like to replace. Nick Hi Nick, > This is very strange. Not enough clearance between the gears and the > housing? The only way this would be possible with an old housing is if > the housing is severely worn with deep scores and burrs producing points > of interference. Do you still have your old pump gears? What is the > clearance between the gears and the housing with the old gears? Stock > clearance when new was .002 inches between the tips of the gear teeth > and the sidewall of the chamber. An acceptable clearance with new gears > in a worn chamber is twice that or .004-.005 inches. But NO > clearance???? Can you measure the old and new gears with a micrometer? > Difference should be minimal as most of the wear on the gears takes > place on the face of the gears. > > Most of the clearance problems are from too much clearance between the > chamber wall and the gear teeth. Unless there are burrs in the chamber, > there should be no interference with the chamber walls and if you have > burrs or scoring in the chamber, you will need another front cover. > "Cleaning up" the chamber is not an option. If the old and new gears are > almost the same diameter, the problem is in the chamber itself. You say > the gears touch the chamber "in places", but clearance between the tips > of the gear teeth and the chamber sidewall should be uniform for most of > the circumference. Ideally, the walls of the chamber (as well as the > ceiling against which the gears abut) should be smooth and free of any > marks. > > I always use a steel plate between the pump base plate and the gear > chamber, but you can have the stock base plate machined smooth and > re-anodized. Follow the shop manual to establish proper end float. The > gears when installed should stand proud of the mating surface on the end > cover by .0058 inches. Stock oil pump gasket is .008, giving .0022 end > float. This is where I made a mistake the first time I rebuilt an > engine. I misread the shop manual (got in a hurry). Too much end float > means spun rod bearings very shortly!!! Live and learn:-) > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > > > flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: >> I'm nearing the end of the road on my engine rebuild [finally]. I >> installed the new oil pump gears this weekend and there is not enough >> clearance between the gears and the housing. I called the supplier, >> they >> suggested polishing the gears on a wire wheel and cleaning up the >> housing. >> Both of which I have done. It is still to tight to use [ touching in >> places] Has any one else had this experence? Thanks Nick >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Sep 21 08:21:10 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:21:10 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] R: Award Winning 3500S In-Reply-To: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B9596397BED@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> Congratulations! Some photos? Best regards, GR. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Albert Boasberg Inviato: marted? 21 settembre 2010 5.22 A: Rovernet Oggetto: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S I am happy to report that my blue 1970 Rover 3500S won an award yesterday at the Capitol Concours d'Elegance in Sacramento, CA. Most of the cars on display are permanently garaged and only driven or trailered to these shows. Mine was the only one in my class that is a daily driver. Many members of the visiting public had never seen nor heard of Rover before, although the judges were surprisingly well informed. Best regards to all. Albert To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From dchantler at comcast.net Tue Sep 21 10:10:21 2010 From: dchantler at comcast.net (Derek Chantler) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S In-Reply-To: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <007e01cb599f$1c751b60$555f5220$@net> Awesome Albert. Congratulations, that's a real achievement. Derek -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Albert Boasberg Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:22 PM To: Rovernet Subject: [Rovernet ] Award Winning 3500S I am happy to report that my blue 1970 Rover 3500S won an award yesterday at the Capitol Concours d'Elegance in Sacramento, CA. Most of the cars on display are permanently garaged and only driven or trailered to these shows. Mine was the only one in my class that is a daily driver. Many members of the visiting public had never seen nor heard of Rover before, although the judges were surprisingly well informed. Best regards to all. Albert To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From kkinard at att.net Tue Sep 21 11:12:57 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet ] SD 1 Oil pump gears In-Reply-To: <51171.206.255.126.52.1285073804.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> References: <51944.206.255.126.52.1283992712.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> <4C88D604.9050908@att.net> <51171.206.255.126.52.1285073804.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> Message-ID: <4C98D989.8030601@att.net> flynp170 at cablelynx.com wrote: >> Hi Kent, This is what I did . I measured the distance between the ends of >> > the gear teeth [old gears]and the chamber and it was .002. So I used the > old gears. I used a steel base plate and used a shim kit to get the end > float to .0025. Thanks for your help. The new gears were about .003 > bigger than old gears?? > Do you know if there is > an off the shelf throw > out bearing?ie Napa > Autozone. Mine feels ok > but I would like to > replace. Nick > > Hi Nick, Don't know of an off the shelf replacement. Victoria British lists them for $25 (part # 4-332) Bearing itself is the same for TR7&TR8 but the collar for the V8 is longer. I put a TR7 bearing and collar in an SD1 by mistake one time and couldn't figure why the clutch wouldn't release...until I looked in the Vicky Brit catalogue. Put the two side by side and saw the difference. Oil pump should be fine. Roverly, Kent K. From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 21:26:07 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover 2000 main bearings. In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1285088407.5779.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.1.1285088407.5779.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W57F0DF07D2A340520205528E600@phx.gbl> I have come across some main bearings on ebay with a part number RTC 1716 and they are being listed as being for a Rover 2000 70 - 73. I know that the main bearings changed in '66, and the pre 66 bearings are not interchangeable with the post 66 bearings as the blocks are different. I cannot find any other reference to further bearing changes in my shop manual which includes the 2200 models. Hence I think that these bearings should work, on my 66 TC, but I thought I would check on Rovernet first. James. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100921/e9e8bb47/attachment.html> From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Tue Sep 21 21:52:51 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:52:51 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover 2000 main bearings. In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W57F0DF07D2A340520205528E600@phx.gbl> References: <mailman.1.1285088407.5779.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W57F0DF07D2A340520205528E600@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4C996F83.6070103@alum.swarthmore.edu> James, The 1973 2000 parts book lists part numbers 538135 (std) up through 538139 (.040 under) for main bearings. There are a few RTC numbers in the book, but not associated with the crankshaft. Could they be for later SD1 2000? Or maybe your RTC number is a later replacement for one of the 538xxx numbers? --Steve On 9/21/2010 10:26 PM, James Radcliffe wrote: > > I have come across some main bearings on ebay with a part number RTC 1716 and they are being listed as being for a Rover 2000 70 - 73. I know that the main bearings changed in '66, and the pre 66 bearings are not interchangeable with the post 66 bearings as the blocks are different. I cannot find any other reference to further bearing changes in my shop manual which includes the 2200 models. Hence I think that these bearings should work, on my 66 TC, but I thought I would check on Rovernet first. > > James. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100921/e9e8bb47/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Sep 22 06:35:01 2010 From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:35:01 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Rover 2000 main bearings. References: <mailman.1.1285088407.5779.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W57F0DF07D2A340520205528E600@phx.gbl> <4C996F83.6070103@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <DB66DD81AD0D48E8A3A78C9BD7E2F4CF@SN037535920331> In 2200 parts book dated 01/1975 RTC1716 STD are listed as 'main bearing crankshaft (engine set) STD also listed are RTC1716010 are listed as 'main bearing crankshaft (engine set) 010 U/S RTC1716020 are listed as 'main bearing crankshaft (engine set) 020 U/S Regards Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Rover 2000 main bearings. > James, > > The 1973 2000 parts book lists part numbers 538135 (std) up through 538139 > (.040 under) for main bearings. There are a few RTC numbers in the book, > but not associated with the crankshaft. > > Could they be for later SD1 2000? Or maybe your RTC number is a later > replacement for one of the 538xxx numbers? > > --Steve > > > On 9/21/2010 10:26 PM, James Radcliffe wrote: >> >> I have come across some main bearings on ebay with a part number RTC 1716 >> and they are being listed as being for a Rover 2000 70 - 73. I know that >> the main bearings changed in '66, and the pre 66 bearings are not >> interchangeable with the post 66 bearings as the blocks are different. I >> cannot find any other reference to further bearing changes in my shop >> manual which includes the 2200 models. Hence I think that these bearings >> should work, on my 66 TC, but I thought I would check on Rovernet first. >> >> James. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL:<http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100921/e9e8bb47/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From carstuff3 at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 19:16:29 2010 From: carstuff3 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable about them? Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? Thanks, Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Thu Sep 23 20:03:41 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:03:41 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CC7243C164D4A159DD0B32640A34E33@Vista> The OD won't. Check your gearbox mount and engine mounts. Movement can make it pop. Check the linkage - it may not have engaged properly if the linkage is worn. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Harrower" <carstuff3 at gmail.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued > My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A > decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro > or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben > Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about > the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? > > If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable > about them? > > Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de > Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? > > Thanks, > > Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Sep 23 20:36:32 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:36:32 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F814E27-41E9-4162-B2DD-1BA67CE4F4AC@inkspotco.com> I don't know the P5 box at all, but if it has the same type of syncro as a P6 I'll jump in with a question: Did you disassemble the syncro? The reason I ask is if you didn't then I'd suggest that weak springs as well as wear on the little block the syncro balls run in can cause popping out and still seem to work fine on the bench. Yours Vern On 2010-09-23, at 5:16 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote: > My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A > decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro > or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben > Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about > the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? > > If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable > about them? > > Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de > Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? > > Thanks, > > Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From A.Ward at latrobe.edu.au Fri Sep 24 03:33:42 2010 From: A.Ward at latrobe.edu.au (Alex Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:33:42 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued In-Reply-To: <2F814E27-41E9-4162-B2DD-1BA67CE4F4AC@inkspotco.com> References: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> <2F814E27-41E9-4162-B2DD-1BA67CE4F4AC@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <2204C964-38E3-4EB4-A81E-FBB5B8B9EDC5@latrobe.edu.au> The P5 box is totally different to the P6 but Vern's comment applies. The synchro movement should feel REALLY stiff if all is OK. The overdrive could not cause the problem. On 24/09/2010, at 11:36 AM, Vern Klukas wrote: > I don't know the P5 box at all, but if it has the same type of syncro as a P6 I'll jump in with a question: Did you disassemble the syncro? The reason I ask is if you didn't then I'd suggest that weak springs as well as wear on the little block the syncro balls run in can cause popping out and still seem to work fine on the bench. > > Yours > Vern > > On 2010-09-23, at 5:16 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote: > >> My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A >> decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro >> or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben >> Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about >> the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? >> >> If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable >> about them? >> >> Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de >> Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Fri Sep 24 06:27:30 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:27:30 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C9C8B22.10906@alum.swarthmore.edu> Gordon, Before we rule out the overdrive, specifically what do you mean by popping out of fourth gear? Does the gear lever actually jump forward out of the 4th gear position and into neutral? Will it stay in gear if you hold the gear lever back toward the 4th gear position? (This was probably all discussed when you first brought up the issue, but I've forgotten the specifics...) --Steve On 9/23/2010 8:16 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote: > My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A > decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro > or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben > Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about > the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? > > If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable > about them? > > Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de > Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? > > Thanks, > > Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From carstuff3 at gmail.com Fri Sep 24 09:15:41 2010 From: carstuff3 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:15:41 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued In-Reply-To: <4C9C8B22.10906@alum.swarthmore.edu> References: <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX@mail.gmail.com> <4C9C8B22.10906@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rmubkb62vpiBm6iW+EYQ8w8H4MN6MrXt4y2x+@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for these responses. It jumped out of gear, even if I tried to hold it in gear. Any thoughts? I'll double-check the synchro's for tightness. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:27 AM, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>wrote: > Gordon, > > Before we rule out the overdrive, specifically what do you mean by popping > out of fourth gear? Does the gear lever actually jump forward out of the > 4th gear position and into neutral? Will it stay in gear if you hold the > gear lever back toward the 4th gear position? > > (This was probably all discussed when you first brought up the issue, but > I've forgotten the specifics...) > > --Steve > > > On 9/23/2010 8:16 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote: > >> My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth gear. A >> decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken synchro >> or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben >> Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or about >> the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? >> >> If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place knowledgeable >> about them? >> >> Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de >> Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL:< >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100923/9e9b4c08/attachment.html >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100924/bc44dbb2/attachment.html> From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Fri Sep 24 09:59:13 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] New exhaust on but making loud noise Message-ID: <58815F67-78CC-46A2-95FE-0163192562A2@telusplanet.net> Had a look under the car yesterday. All joins are good, no leaks. The new system was an inch shorter than what was replaced and was pulling the rear silencer against the top link. Had a longer hanger fabricated to attach to the tail pipe. Sounds fantastic now! From jhdolan at sover.net Fri Sep 24 18:50:53 2010 From: jhdolan at sover.net (j Dolan) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued (Vol 125, Issue 24) In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1285347609.27692.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.3.1285347609.27692.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <703a20e8daa3ad266a21608bedbf65c0@sover.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:16:29 -0400 > From: Gordon Harrower <carstuff3 at gmail.com> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=QDmR4ZSbvsjGnONAo6WT8Zk_JFzXsWjn-MRFX at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My P5 (1963 Mk II, 4-speed w/overdrive) was popping out of fourth > gear. A > decent shop and everyone else concerned assumed there was a broken > synchro > or something but, after taking out and examining the gearbox with Ben > Saunders, there's no obvious problem there. Is there anything in or > about > the overdrive that might force the gearbox out of fourth gear? > > If the overdrive is the problem, is there a person or place > knowledgeable > about them? > > Finally, does anyone know which "type" (e.g. A, D, or J) Laycock de > Normanville overdrive is in the Mk II P5? > > Thanks, > > Gordon "Going Nowhere Fast" Harrower. > I had the same OD in a Volvo P1800 and at times it could be problematic. I apologize, but I''m not remembering if the OD shares oil with the transmission in the P5- it did in the P1800. I think it does. When the tranny (I know how much Glen loves that term) got low on oil, it would engage or not depending on the contours of the road. That would lead to a force on the trans and that could be sufficient to disengage a gear if things were worn in the box, I'd think. Was there sufficient oil when you drained it off at removal?. Also, the oil itself might be a factor, in that a synthetic might be too thin and older boxes sometimes like the more sulfurous hypoid oils. If I can remember which "type" the OD is, I'll get back with that. jim in Vermont '60 P5 MkI 4spd w/OD "barn bound" at present '61 LR SIIa 4spd w/OD From vmitps at netspace.net.au Fri Sep 24 19:44:38 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (vmitps at netspace.net.au) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:44:38 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P5 Gearbox Problem, Continued (Vol 125, Issue 24) In-Reply-To: <703a20e8daa3ad266a21608bedbf65c0@sover.net> References: <mailman.3.1285347609.27692.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <703a20e8daa3ad266a21608bedbf65c0@sover.net> Message-ID: <1285375478.4c9d45f63cafa@webmail.netspace.net.au> > sufficient oil when you drained it off at removal?. Also, the oil > itself might be a factor, in that a synthetic might be too thin and > older boxes sometimes like the more sulfurous hypoid oils. If I can > remember which "type" the OD is, I'll get back with that. > > jim in Vermont > '60 P5 MkI 4spd w/OD "barn bound" at present > '61 LR SIIa 4spd w/OD Hypoid oils eat the brass, so don't use them in Rover boxes. PVS ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 12:20:21 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet ] 2000/2200 manual gearbox compatibility question Message-ID: <196538.67345.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a couple of 2000 TC manual 4 speeds for sale, and have been asked by a gent in Canada whether the gearbox(es) fitted to the 2000 are suitable for use/compatible with a 1975 Italian market 2200 TC.? As always, any help is appreciated! Cheers, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100925/775e3654/attachment.html> From peter_m at amnet.net.au Sun Sep 26 07:55:10 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:55:10 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan In-Reply-To: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> Hello Netters, Last week I took my P6B to an electrical business near where I work here in Perth, Western Australia. The firm carries out work on a lot of older cars, so that appeared to be a plus, and my motor mechanic specifically recommended the firm as being kind to older vehicles. I wanted to have a new/secondhand air conditioning compressor fitted (ex-Land Rover County), a new condenser, as well as electric fans to replace the windmilling viscous fan. The manager was adamant that electric fans would not pull enough air. The way to go he said, was to make the viscous fan into a 'solid' fan, by fitting a bracket to it so that it would run at engine speed. He said that he had been performing this modification without problems for 20+ years, so I accepted the proposal. My Land Rover compressor bracket was for the left hand side of the car as you look at it facing the front of it. So the decision was made to keep the old York compressor mount and use an adaptor to attach to it. Early this week I collected the car after paying for the job. The next day I was on the freeway heading for our company's warehouse when there was a rumbling sound as though I was driving on a rough stretch of road. While I was considering this sound and vibration, water appeared on the windscreen, so I safely pulled off to the safety shoulder and had a look at the engine. Coolant was pouring out of the water pump- it clearly was not a hose that had come loose. I phoned the auto electrician who said could I have the car brought back in. My local RAC (Royal Automobile Club) had a flatbed truck pick the car and me up, and we headed back to the workshop. Upon opening the bonnet, it was clear that the fan had come off the shaft of the water pump and that the viscous unit had chewed a large hole in a recently reconditioned radiator. The water pump had a tight spot on the shaft and was clearly unhappy. My motor mechanic, who specialises in Triumph repair, came down to inspect the mess. He stated that viscous fans should not be driven at engine speed. Mostly they will survive, but occasionally one will overheat and come off its shaft, as did mine. 'If only you had asked me', said my mechanic. Well clearly the automotive electrician was not aware either that the practice was one to be avoided. This is really interesting, because two different Rover/Land Rover mechanics, one being my brother, had told me that they were taught as apprentices that locking up a viscous fan was the accepted way to end any doubts about its cooling efficiency. Hopefully my car will be ready to go again early next week. This time it will have a standard non-viscous fan, and I will continue to examine the feasibility of electric units. Kind regards Peter Mitchell E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From peterhut at activ8.net.au Sun Sep 26 08:54:20 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:54:20 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan In-Reply-To: <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> Message-ID: <h2ku96ldt2saal00oon73m8ov8eadso3mk@4ax.com> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:55:10 +0800, you wrote: >Hopefully my car will be ready to go again early next week. This time it >will have a standard non-viscous fan, and I will continue to examine the >feasibility of electric units. And hopefully, fully paid for by the mob that stuffed it up in the first place!! Cheers, Peter H From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Sun Sep 26 13:41:03 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S Message-ID: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> Hello everyone, thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's time to try again. English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be as original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not a issue either. Base unit must be sound. I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something with potential. Will consider each car on its own merit. Cash waiting. Please help! Regards Rich dcduk at tiscali.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/c5aff239/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Sep 26 16:42:25 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:42:25 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan In-Reply-To: <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> Message-ID: <0646EEA123D745BD81FFD11DD9FA1E99@Vista> You can get 18" electrics that will do the job, or two 12". PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Mitchell" <peter_m at amnet.net.au> To: "'Rovernet'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan > Hello Netters, > > Last week I took my P6B to an electrical business near where I work here > in > Perth, Western Australia. The firm carries out work on a lot of older > cars, > so that appeared to be a plus, and my motor mechanic specifically > recommended the firm as being kind to older vehicles. > > I wanted to have a new/secondhand air conditioning compressor fitted > (ex-Land Rover County), a new condenser, as well as electric fans to > replace > the windmilling viscous fan. The manager was adamant that electric fans > would not pull enough air. The way to go he said, was to make the viscous > fan into a 'solid' fan, by fitting a bracket to it so that it would run at > engine speed. He said that he had been performing this modification > without > problems for 20+ years, so I accepted the proposal. > > My Land Rover compressor bracket was for the left hand side of the car as > you look at it facing the front of it. So the decision was made to keep > the > old York compressor mount and use an adaptor to attach to it. > > Early this week I collected the car after paying for the job. The next day > I > was on the freeway heading for our company's warehouse when there was a > rumbling sound as though I was driving on a rough stretch of road. While I > was considering this sound and vibration, water appeared on the > windscreen, > so I safely pulled off to the safety shoulder and had a look at the > engine. > Coolant was pouring out of the water pump- it clearly was not a hose that > had come loose. I phoned the auto electrician who said could I have the > car > brought back in. My local RAC (Royal Automobile Club) had a flatbed truck > pick the car and me up, and we headed back to the workshop. > > Upon opening the bonnet, it was clear that the fan had come off the shaft > of > the water pump and that the viscous unit had chewed a large hole in a > recently reconditioned radiator. The water pump had a tight spot on the > shaft and was clearly unhappy. > > My motor mechanic, who specialises in Triumph repair, came down to inspect > the mess. He stated that viscous fans should not be driven at engine > speed. > Mostly they will survive, but occasionally one will overheat and come off > its shaft, as did mine. 'If only you had asked me', said my mechanic. > Well > clearly the automotive electrician was not aware either that the practice > was one to be avoided. > > This is really interesting, because two different Rover/Land Rover > mechanics, one being my brother, had told me that they were taught as > apprentices that locking up a viscous fan was the accepted way to end any > doubts about its cooling efficiency. > > Hopefully my car will be ready to go again early next week. This time it > will have a standard non-viscous fan, and I will continue to examine the > feasibility of electric units. > > Kind regards > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From giannid at bigpond.com Sun Sep 26 17:12:29 2010 From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:12:29 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan In-Reply-To: <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> Message-ID: <18E440B1-3544-43CE-A5CA-8CB7112FBA44@bigpond.com> my 17 inch SPAL fan cools my 5 Litre V8 in the P5B coupe very nicely indeed through 40 degrees with AC on full blast! (and I drive it very hard, that is why it is heavily modified, 5 speed, brakes etc!) triple core full flow radiator helps but the fan has worked just fine and note is 5 not 3.5 litre! Cheers Gianni Gianni D'Ortenzio 1948 P3 4 light 1949 P3 6 light 1969 P5BC 1971 P6B 1977 Lotus Elite 2004 Landrover Defender On 26/09/2010, at 10:55 PM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > Hello Netters, > > Last week I took my P6B to an electrical business near where I work > here in > Perth, Western Australia. The firm carries out work on a lot of > older cars, > so that appeared to be a plus, and my motor mechanic specifically > recommended the firm as being kind to older vehicles. > > I wanted to have a new/secondhand air conditioning compressor fitted > (ex-Land Rover County), a new condenser, as well as electric fans to > replace > the windmilling viscous fan. The manager was adamant that electric > fans > would not pull enough air. The way to go he said, was to make the > viscous > fan into a 'solid' fan, by fitting a bracket to it so that it would > run at > engine speed. He said that he had been performing this modification > without > problems for 20+ years, so I accepted the proposal. > > My Land Rover compressor bracket was for the left hand side of the > car as > you look at it facing the front of it. So the decision was made to > keep the > old York compressor mount and use an adaptor to attach to it. > > Early this week I collected the car after paying for the job. The > next day I > was on the freeway heading for our company's warehouse when there > was a > rumbling sound as though I was driving on a rough stretch of road. > While I > was considering this sound and vibration, water appeared on the > windscreen, > so I safely pulled off to the safety shoulder and had a look at the > engine. > Coolant was pouring out of the water pump- it clearly was not a hose > that > had come loose. I phoned the auto electrician who said could I have > the car > brought back in. My local RAC (Royal Automobile Club) had a flatbed > truck > pick the car and me up, and we headed back to the workshop. > > Upon opening the bonnet, it was clear that the fan had come off the > shaft of > the water pump and that the viscous unit had chewed a large hole in a > recently reconditioned radiator. The water pump had a tight spot on > the > shaft and was clearly unhappy. > > My motor mechanic, who specialises in Triumph repair, came down to > inspect > the mess. He stated that viscous fans should not be driven at engine > speed. > Mostly they will survive, but occasionally one will overheat and > come off > its shaft, as did mine. 'If only you had asked me', said my > mechanic. Well > clearly the automotive electrician was not aware either that the > practice > was one to be avoided. > > This is really interesting, because two different Rover/Land Rover > mechanics, one being my brother, had told me that they were taught as > apprentices that locking up a viscous fan was the accepted way to > end any > doubts about its cooling efficiency. > > Hopefully my car will be ready to go again early next week. This > time it > will have a standard non-viscous fan, and I will continue to examine > the > feasibility of electric units. > > Kind regards > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this > page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From renovations.plus at hotmail.com Sun Sep 26 19:20:40 2010 From: renovations.plus at hotmail.com (Dennis .) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:20:40 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl> Hi Rich... Myself and perhaps others have presented you with possible cars ..however it seems you fail to follow up ...good luck . Regards Dennis Brooks... > From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 > Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Hello everyone, > > thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. > A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's time to try again. > English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be as original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. > Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not a issue either. > Base unit must be sound. > I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something with potential. > Will consider each car on its own merit. > Cash waiting. > Please help! > > Regards > Rich > > dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/c5aff239/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/b8793942/attachment.html> From den at aachenkennels.com Sun Sep 26 20:02:13 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:02:13 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB66@Server.adoptsec.local> Morning All. I've no idea who the Auto Elect you refer to Peter however for future reference I would like to, as then I know who to stay away from. There is no way in the world I would consider converting a viscous to a solid fan. Perhaps it would work for a while but far too many variables such as driving style, condition of bearings and so on for it to be a reliable modification, something I would never recommend. The risk is that its 'gunner' breaks something as in your case. Fortunately you were in town so not much drama to get it back to the sparky to sort it. I have a 3.9 in my SD1 that I removed the viscous fan altogether and replaced it with a twin eclectic set up. With the driving conditions here in West Oz that was a no brainer and works very well. Although in this car I'm not after authenticity as I have it decked out as a racecar from the 80's For that I have a 35 Riley Falcon that I have hidden an 8" electric fan between the grill and rad. As the Riley works on a thermo-syphon system again this didn't take much working out that for the sake of reliability you need something extra when driving in West Oz. As this works on a dynamo I have a manual switch to turn on the fan when the gauge shows the old girl is getting a tad on the warm side. Now I have that system worked out I will be doing the same on the Rover Streamline coupe and 46 Tourer. In short, my advice is get them to repair the damage, stick with a viscous fan however add a twin electric fan set up to push air through the rad. Think the chaps in the WA Rover club would like to hear this Peter. Would you be willing to ether speak at a club meeting or allow your email to go into the monthly club mag. Relevant names of course removed. Den Gallacher. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Peter Mitchell Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2010 8:55 PM To: 'Rovernet' Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan Hello Netters, Last week I took my P6B to an electrical business near where I work here in Perth, Western Australia. The firm carries out work on a lot of older cars, so that appeared to be a plus, and my motor mechanic specifically recommended the firm as being kind to older vehicles. From den at aachenkennels.com Sun Sep 26 20:07:33 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:07:33 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] 5 ltr P5B coupe References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl><002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> <18E440B1-3544-43CE-A5CA-8CB7112FBA44@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB67@Server.adoptsec.local> Wow Gianni sounds like my kind of motor. Looking at your list of cars you're a man after me own heart. How about sending a few photos to den at aachenkennels.com, look forward to talking late. Den Gallacher. PS what have you got in the P3...(smile) -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Gianni D'Ortenzio Sent: Monday, 27 September 2010 6:12 AM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan my 17 inch SPAL fan cools my 5 Litre V8 in the P5B coupe very nicely indeed through 40 degrees with AC on full blast! (and I drive it very hard, that is why it is heavily modified, 5 speed, brakes etc!) triple core full flow radiator helps but the fan has worked just fine and note is 5 not 3.5 litre! Cheers Gianni Gianni D'Ortenzio 1948 P3 4 light 1949 P3 6 light 1969 P5BC 1971 P6B 1977 Lotus Elite 2004 Landrover Defender On 26/09/2010, at 10:55 PM, Peter Mitchell wrote: > Hello Netters, > > Last week I took my P6B to an electrical business near where I work > here in > Perth, Western Australia. The firm carries out work on a lot of > older cars, > so that appeared to be a plus, and my motor mechanic specifically > recommended the firm as being kind to older vehicles. > > I wanted to have a new/secondhand air conditioning compressor fitted > (ex-Land Rover County), a new condenser, as well as electric fans to > replace > the windmilling viscous fan. The manager was adamant that electric > fans > would not pull enough air. The way to go he said, was to make the > viscous > fan into a 'solid' fan, by fitting a bracket to it so that it would > run at > engine speed. He said that he had been performing this modification > without > problems for 20+ years, so I accepted the proposal. > > My Land Rover compressor bracket was for the left hand side of the > car as > you look at it facing the front of it. So the decision was made to > keep the > old York compressor mount and use an adaptor to attach to it. > > Early this week I collected the car after paying for the job. The > next day I > was on the freeway heading for our company's warehouse when there > was a > rumbling sound as though I was driving on a rough stretch of road. > While I > was considering this sound and vibration, water appeared on the > windscreen, > so I safely pulled off to the safety shoulder and had a look at the > engine. > Coolant was pouring out of the water pump- it clearly was not a hose > that > had come loose. I phoned the auto electrician who said could I have > the car > brought back in. My local RAC (Royal Automobile Club) had a flatbed > truck > pick the car and me up, and we headed back to the workshop. > > Upon opening the bonnet, it was clear that the fan had come off the > shaft of > the water pump and that the viscous unit had chewed a large hole in a > recently reconditioned radiator. The water pump had a tight spot on > the > shaft and was clearly unhappy. > > My motor mechanic, who specialises in Triumph repair, came down to > inspect > the mess. He stated that viscous fans should not be driven at engine > speed. > Mostly they will survive, but occasionally one will overheat and > come off > its shaft, as did mine. 'If only you had asked me', said my > mechanic. Well > clearly the automotive electrician was not aware either that the > practice > was one to be avoided. > > This is really interesting, because two different Rover/Land Rover > mechanics, one being my brother, had told me that they were taught as > apprentices that locking up a viscous fan was the accepted way to > end any > doubts about its cooling efficiency. > > Hopefully my car will be ready to go again early next week. This > time it > will have a standard non-viscous fan, and I will continue to examine > the > feasibility of electric units. > > Kind regards > > Peter Mitchell > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.14880 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this > page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From den at aachenkennels.com Sun Sep 26 20:11:45 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:11:45 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] for sale References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl><002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> <18E440B1-3544-43CE-A5CA-8CB7112FBA44@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB68@Server.adoptsec.local> Anyone in Oz know of ether a late model P4 P6 or P5B coupe for sale. A new club member in West Australia is looking for something that needs no work just something to clean and polish on Sundays and drive to shows. Please ether email or phone 08 9455 2354. Den Gallacher. Thats the last of to garage and work on the Rover. From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 27 02:50:35 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:50:35 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> Hi Dennis, Think the problem is two fold. One is that I don't seem to recieve all mail, and the other is that the description of what I am looking for is disregarded. My apologies if it appears that I am ignoring yourself. Certainly not my intention, especially as I am looking for help to find the right car Regards Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis ." <renovations.plus at hotmail.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Hi Rich... > > > > Myself and perhaps others have presented you with possible cars ..however > it seems you fail to follow up ...good luck . > > > > Regards > > Dennis Brooks... > >> From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. >> A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's time >> to try again. >> English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be as >> original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. >> Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not a >> issue either. >> Base unit must be sound. >> I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something >> with potential. >> Will consider each car on its own merit. >> Cash waiting. >> Please help! >> >> Regards >> Rich >> >> dcduk at tiscali.co.uk >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/c5aff239/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 05:59:38 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> Certainly not a problem from this end Rich ...I wish you the best of luck on your quest...as for my personal thoughts..My car is not for sale ...you simply don't have enough money to but "this one" ... Regards Dennis > From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:50:35 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Hi Dennis, > Think the problem is two fold. One is that I don't seem to recieve all mail, > and the other is that the description of what I am looking for is > disregarded. My apologies if it appears that I am ignoring yourself. > Certainly not my intention, especially as I am looking for help to find the > right car > > Regards > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis ." <renovations.plus at hotmail.com> > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > > > > > Hi Rich... > > > > > > > > Myself and perhaps others have presented you with possible cars ..however > > it seems you fail to follow up ...good luck . > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Dennis Brooks... > > > >> From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 > >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > >> > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. > >> A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's time > >> to try again. > >> English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be as > >> original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. > >> Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not a > >> issue either. > >> Base unit must be sound. > >> I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something > >> with potential. > >> Will consider each car on its own merit. > >> Cash waiting. > >> Please help! > >> > >> Regards > >> Rich > >> > >> dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/c5aff239/attachment.html> > >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100927/a4c66bf9/attachment.html> From den at aachenkennels.com Mon Sep 27 04:28:23 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> Seems we have a few Dennis on the list. I'm now living in Perth although from UK. Dennis who is also from UK is looking to buy a Rover, he lives in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK.....After writing that I have the right glass of single malt and of working on the right car in me Garage..(smile) -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis . Sent: Monday, 27 September 2010 5:00 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S Certainly not a problem from this end Rich ...I wish you the best of luck on your quest...as for my personal thoughts..My car is not for sale ...you simply don't have enough money to but "this one" ... Regards Dennis > From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:50:35 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Hi Dennis, > Think the problem is two fold. One is that I don't seem to recieve all mail, > and the other is that the description of what I am looking for is > disregarded. My apologies if it appears that I am ignoring yourself. > Certainly not my intention, especially as I am looking for help to find the > right car > > Regards > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis ." <renovations.plus at hotmail.com> > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > > > > > Hi Rich... > > > > > > > > Myself and perhaps others have presented you with possible cars ..however > > it seems you fail to follow up ...good luck . > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Dennis Brooks... > > > >> From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 > >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > >> > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. > >> A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's time > >> to try again. > >> English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be as > >> original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. > >> Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not a > >> issue either. > >> Base unit must be sound. > >> I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something > >> with potential. > >> Will consider each car on its own merit. > >> Cash waiting. > >> Please help! > >> > >> Regards > >> Rich > >> > >> dcduk at tiscali.co.uk > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/201 00926/c5aff239/attachment.html> > >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > >> sure to scroll down the whole page. > >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/201 00926/b8793942/attachment.html> > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > > sure to scroll down the whole page. > > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3160 - Release Date: 09/26/10 > 08:01:00 > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/201 00927/a4c66bf9/attachment.html> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From peterhut at activ8.net.au Mon Sep 27 09:14:57 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:14:57 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... Dennis, There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm Cheers, Peter H From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 27 09:57:56 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:57:56 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <057F8D8FA3FF4F9C9323392C6F004E11@richc2upoimqhi> Well Dennis, Must be a amazing car, as for the money... well, I'd have a go for sure! Regards Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis ." <renovations.plus at hotmail.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Certainly not a problem from this end Rich ...I wish you the best of luck > on your quest...as for my personal thoughts..My car is not for sale ...you > simply don't have enough money to but "this one" ... > > > > Regards > > > > Dennis > >> From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca >> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:50:35 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> Hi Dennis, >> Think the problem is two fold. One is that I don't seem to recieve all >> mail, >> and the other is that the description of what I am looking for is >> disregarded. My apologies if it appears that I am ignoring yourself. >> Certainly not my intention, especially as I am looking for help to find >> the >> right car >> >> Regards >> Rich >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis ." <renovations.plus at hotmail.com> >> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> >> > >> > Hi Rich... >> > >> > >> > >> > Myself and perhaps others have presented you with possible cars >> > ..however >> > it seems you fail to follow up ...good luck . >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Dennis Brooks... >> > >> >> From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk >> >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:41:03 +0100 >> >> Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> thought I would renew my request for the purchase of a 3500S. >> >> A few members have tried to help in the past but to no avail so it's >> >> time >> >> to try again. >> >> English collector looking for a excellent car with low miles. Must be >> >> as >> >> original as possible, retaining its original engine and trans. >> >> Colour unimportant although must be original to the car. Paintwork not >> >> a >> >> issue either. >> >> Base unit must be sound. >> >> I am willing to pay heavilly for a concours car or at least something >> >> with potential. >> >> Will consider each car on its own merit. >> >> Cash waiting. >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> dcduk at tiscali.co.uk >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/c5aff239/attachment.html> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. >> >> Be >> >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: >> > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100926/b8793942/attachment.html> >> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. >> > Be >> > sure to scroll down the whole page. >> > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3160 - Release Date: 09/26/10 >> 08:01:00 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 27 10:00:48 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:00:48 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> Message-ID: <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am definately looking for a NADA car Regards Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: > > >>in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... > > Dennis, > > There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among > others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. > > http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm > > Cheers, > > Peter H > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 From sdibdin at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 10:15:44 2010 From: sdibdin at gmail.com (Steven Dibdin) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:15:44 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl> <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <427F92E6-E991-47ED-8B8D-C7D403AA87D4@gmail.com> The NADA 3500S were all manual cars. Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am definately looking for a NADA car > Regards > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" <peterhut at activ8.net.au> > To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > >> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >> >> >>> in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>> Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>> Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... >> >> Dennis, >> >> There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among >> others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. >> >> http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm >> >> Cheers, >> >> Peter H >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From vern at inkspotco.com Mon Sep 27 10:51:29 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <427F92E6-E991-47ED-8B8D-C7D403AA87D4@gmail.com> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl> <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> <427F92E6-E991-47ED-8B8D-C7D403AA87D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ABA95EA-59EE-4955-8AE7-5A008E07AA8B@inkspotco.com> You must mean NADA 3500S were all automatic cars, because they were. Yours Vern On 2010-09-27, at 8:15 AM, Steven Dibdin wrote: > The NADA 3500S were all manual cars. > > Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am definately looking for a NADA car >> Regards >> Rich >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" <peterhut at activ8.net.au> >> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> >>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>>> Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>>> Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... >>> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among >>> others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. >>> >>> http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Peter H >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From dcduk at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 27 10:54:17 2010 From: dcduk at tiscali.co.uk (rich jones) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:54:17 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl><6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com><CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> <427F92E6-E991-47ED-8B8D-C7D403AA87D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FC37C5F5C1C49499CB9E65298882A04@richc2upoimqhi> Hi, Sorry to correct you. All NADA or federal 3500S's were automatics from years 1969-1971 approx 3500S manuals were series two cars mostly for the European market from 1972 onwards til end of production However, some people have converted Nada 3500S's over to manual, but never from the factory. Hope this clears this up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Dibdin" <sdibdin at gmail.com> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Cc: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > The NADA 3500S were all manual cars. > > Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am >> definately looking for a NADA car >> Regards >> Rich >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" >> <peterhut at activ8.net.au> >> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >> >> >>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>>> Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>>> Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... >>> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among >>> others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. >>> >>> http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Peter H >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >>> sure to scroll down the whole page. >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 >> 19:40:00 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 From sdibdin at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 10:56:35 2010 From: sdibdin at gmail.com (Steven Dibdin) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <9ABA95EA-59EE-4955-8AE7-5A008E07AA8B@inkspotco.com> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl> <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi> <BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> <427F92E6-E991-47ED-8B8D-C7D403AA87D4@gmail.com> <9ABA95EA-59EE-4955-8AE7-5A008E07AA8B@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <F811CDE7-8BFF-4575-994A-23B27781A446@gmail.com> Thanks Vern yes I mean all autos. Ugh, talk rovers or work? I shouldn't try and do both :-) Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote: > You must mean NADA 3500S were all automatic cars, because they were. > > Yours > Vern > > > On 2010-09-27, at 8:15 AM, Steven Dibdin wrote: > >> The NADA 3500S were all manual cars. >> >> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors >> >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, "rich jones" <dcduk at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am definately looking for a NADA car >>> Regards >>> Rich >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" <peterhut at activ8.net.au> >>> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>>>> Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>>>> Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... >>>> >>>> Dennis, >>>> >>>> There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among >>>> others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. >>>> >>>> http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Peter H >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >>>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From bsaunders at firstva.com Mon Sep 27 15:12:18 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> <CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> Message-ID: <FADD008C5F7B47849A7F2031A9832C7A@SD1> I know of a very nice 1969 3500S that has a 3.9 in it. I won't tell if you won't tell. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of rich jones Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S Are we talking a manual 3500S here? Sorry for the confusion, but I am definately looking for a NADA car Regards Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Huttemeier" <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: > > >>in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >>Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >>Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... > > Dennis, > > There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among > others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. > > http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm > > Cheers, > > Peter H > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00 To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 14:40:00 From den at aachenkennels.com Mon Sep 27 18:03:06 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:03:06 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local> <7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA2@Server.adoptsec.local> Thanks Peter, I'll be seeing Dennis tomorrow we'll have a search on the net then. Noticed a nice P3 for sale which I'll pass on to one of the club members over here. Den. Gallacher -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Peter Huttemeier Sent: Monday, 27 September 2010 10:15 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:28:23 +0800, you wrote: >in the South West of West Australia. Although I wrote in to the Rover >Australia group asking if anyone in Oz knows of a car for sale it's for >Dennis down South and not Dennis in Perth or UK..... Dennis, There are cars currently on our Web site, few P5s and P6s among others, but all in the East, except one P5 Coupe from Darwin. http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm Cheers, Peter H To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From den at aachenkennels.com Mon Sep 27 18:05:18 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:05:18 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com><CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi> <FADD008C5F7B47849A7F2031A9832C7A@SD1> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA3@Server.adoptsec.local> Where is this car Ben. Den I know of a very nice 1969 3500S that has a 3.9 in it. I won't tell if you won't tell. -----Original Message----- From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Mon Sep 27 21:26:55 2010 From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:26:55 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet ] Vacuum leak? Message-ID: <50A97A8D-8B13-4B8C-9A72-7BC33762F694@telusplanet.net> Noticed the smell of petrol in the engine bay today and found petrol on top of rear carbs float chamber. Had a mechanic friend come for a look. Ran the engine and could not see any fuel leak, but engine running poorly even after warm up. The car was running so rough the ignition light was coming on and it was on the verge of stalling. Went for a ride and car runs well until you stop and come to idle. Brakes seem weak and seems to have a bit of travel before you get any action. At idle stepping on the brakes increases RPM`s. Any ideas guys? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100927/161630d7/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Mon Sep 27 21:55:05 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:55:05 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet ] Vacuum leak? In-Reply-To: <50A97A8D-8B13-4B8C-9A72-7BC33762F694@telusplanet.net> References: <50A97A8D-8B13-4B8C-9A72-7BC33762F694@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <BCC1CD1969D24B6C9A62A12FF4732C65@Vista> Braking increases revs means rich. It is in fact a more sensitive way of checking mixture than the lift pins. I'd do carb setup, and start by taking the tops off the SUs and checking the jet heights are much the same, within 10 thou. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [Rovernet ] Vacuum leak? > Noticed the smell of petrol in the engine bay today and found petrol on > top of rear carbs float chamber. > Had a mechanic friend come for a look. Ran the engine and could not see > any fuel leak, but engine running poorly even after warm up. The car was > running so rough the ignition light was coming on and it was on the verge > of stalling. Went for a ride and car runs well until you stop and come to > idle. Brakes seem weak and seems to have a bit of travel before you get > any action. At idle stepping on the brakes increases RPM`s. Any ideas > guys? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100927/161630d7/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From sdibdin at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 22:40:09 2010 From: sdibdin at gmail.com (Steven Dibdin) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:40:09 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Vacuum leak? In-Reply-To: <BCC1CD1969D24B6C9A62A12FF4732C65@Vista> References: <50A97A8D-8B13-4B8C-9A72-7BC33762F694@telusplanet.net> <BCC1CD1969D24B6C9A62A12FF4732C65@Vista> Message-ID: <3E9F45DD-B346-4155-B88F-297CAF1A6E6F@gmail.com> I would also check to see if the needle valve in the float chamber is clear of debris. High float chamber fuel level equals rich running on su carbs. Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typing errors On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:55 PM, "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote: > Braking increases revs means rich. It is in fact a more sensitive way of checking mixture than the lift pins. > I'd do carb setup, and start by taking the tops off the SUs and checking the jet heights are much the same, within 10 thou. > > PVS > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: [Rovernet ] Vacuum leak? > > >> Noticed the smell of petrol in the engine bay today and found petrol on top of rear carbs float chamber. >> Had a mechanic friend come for a look. Ran the engine and could not see any fuel leak, but engine running poorly even after warm up. The car was running so rough the ignition light was coming on and it was on the verge of stalling. Went for a ride and car runs well until you stop and come to idle. Brakes seem weak and seems to have a bit of travel before you get any action. At idle stepping on the brakes increases RPM`s. Any ideas guys? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100927/161630d7/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From bsaunders at firstva.com Tue Sep 28 07:41:43 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:41:43 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA3@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com><CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi><FADD008C5F7B47849A7F2031A9832C7A@SD1> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA3@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <E9AA0E8239524E9ABD295F8068B20B4E@SD1> The car is in Virginia USA. Where are you? -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis Gallacher Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:05 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S Where is this car Ben. Den I know of a very nice 1969 3500S that has a 3.9 in it. I won't tell if you won't tell. -----Original Message----- To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3162 - Release Date: 09/27/10 02:34:00 From peter_m at amnet.net.au Tue Sep 28 08:07:48 2010 From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:07:48 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] P6B: Disintegrating viscous fan In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB66@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <SNT101-DS19116A07ADEFB1EB08FE8FB57F0@phx.gbl> <002b01cb5d7a$0e3be270$2ab3a750$@net.au> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB66@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <002401cb5f0e$26f3bdc0$74db3940$@net.au> Hi Den, You are welcome to pass it on to the local club if you like. I am very busy with work and a writing project that does not leave me much time for meetings. However many thanks for your interest and feedback. I'll report on how I get on. Cheers Peter E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.14880 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ From den at aachenkennels.com Tue Sep 28 08:22:02 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:22:02 +0800 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com><CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi><FADD008C5F7B47849A7F2031A9832C7A@SD1><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA3@Server.adoptsec.local> <E9AA0E8239524E9ABD295F8068B20B4E@SD1> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABBC@Server.adoptsec.local> Dude the other side of the world. Perth west Oz. Sounded like a nice car -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Ben Saunders Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2010 8:42 PM To: 'Rovernet' Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S The car is in Virginia USA. Where are you? -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis Gallacher Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:05 PM To: Rovernet Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S Where is this car Ben. Den I know of a very nice 1969 3500S that has a 3.9 in it. I won't tell if you won't tell. -----Original Message----- To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3162 - Release Date: 09/27/10 02:34:00 To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Sep 28 11:31:16 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:31:16 +0200 Subject: [Rovernet ] 1984 SD1 ROVER VITESSE 3.5 V8 DRY STORED SINCE 1990 A1+ - Rip van Wikle Sd1 Message-ID: <39DB493C9E968A40AD2FA5F90D4B959630E523@E3088LMQ.risorse.enel> <<eBayISAPI.url>> http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160484292153&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT 1984 SD1 ROVER VITESSE 3.5 V8 DRY STORED SINCE 1990 A1+ Nota: per proteggere il computer dai virus, le applicazioni di posta elettronica impediscono l'invio o la ricezione di alcuni tipi di allegati. 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Name: eBayISAPI.url Type: application/octet-stream Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100928/875ee2af/attachment.obj> From jim at sardonis.com Tue Sep 28 15:47:14 2010 From: jim at sardonis.com (Jim Sardonis) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:47:14 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S In-Reply-To: <E9AA0E8239524E9ABD295F8068B20B4E@SD1> References: <11FF4AEEA9614D7D887632F39321BD94@richc2upoimqhi>, <BAY145-w11CFD40F384F09944AB38295650@phx.gbl>, <6991C8E71B3A43218CEAADC0068AD10E@richc2upoimqhi><BAY145-w36C3DAD7EB0BDF5754C6BB95650@phx.gbl><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DAB87@Server.adoptsec.local><7i91a6phf24amv116hl4r1f86dbjok400a@4ax.com><CD4A3C2EAEA3458093AD482B1AEC5B32@richc2upoimqhi><FADD008C5F7B47849A7F2031A9832C7A@SD1> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD160DABA3@Server.adoptsec.local> <E9AA0E8239524E9ABD295F8068B20B4E@SD1> Message-ID: <83A4A4C1-E422-485B-AB24-A5A64C81CB99@sardonis.com> I know this is unconventional, but I've been wanting to toss out an idea to see if it might interest anyone, who may have one too many Rovers and not enough artwork. I am a sculptor, who is also a great appreciator of Rovers. I've had several P6's and recently sold a nice P4. Over the years I've managed to trade sculptures for several cars including a '69 2000 SC. I work in stone and bronze (please see my website for examples of my work - www.sardonis.com) and do work in all sizes inspired by natural forms - human, animal and plant. If anyone is intrigued by the idea of swapping a Rover of any kind of a sculpture, please feel free to contact me. I live in Vermont. I particularly enjoyed the 3500S I owned a few years ago and would love to acquire another. I enjoy designing sculptures based upon input regarding subject, material, site, function, etc. I hope this is of interest to someone. Sincerely, Jim Sardonis On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Ben Saunders wrote: > The car is in Virginia USA. Where are you? > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On > Behalf Of Dennis Gallacher > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:05 PM > To: Rovernet > Subject: Re: [Rovernet ] Wanted P6 3500S > > Where is this car Ben. > > Den > > > I know of a very nice 1969 3500S that has a 3.9 in it. I won't tell if > you > won't tell. > > -----Original Message----- > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3162 - Release Date: 09/27/10 > 02:34:00 > > > To unsubscribe from the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca