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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  1 08:12:51 2010
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:12:51 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] brake pressure failure switch
Message-ID: <BAY119-W1561F3CE0214F130A5C5DBDE3C0@phx.gbl>


Hi again....

              I answered my own question by taking the switches apart.......... while dimensionally the same the innards are different so i'll just get new seals for mine and clean it up

Thanks

Bill
 		 	   		  
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From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:29:22 +0100
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  2 18:01:00 2010
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:01:00 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons
Message-ID: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl>


Hi ...i have a chap needs a .020 over piston for his 2000TC........anyone have a spare lying around

Thanks

Bill Robertson 
 		 	   		  
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From pjemail at aol.com  Wed Mar  3 09:21:42 2010
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC88F3FB0638B8-363C-FFAF@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>


I am not sure whether this is a request for a single piston or a set of 4 pistons. Do you know if it is a 9:1 or 10: compression ratio piston?

Regards,

Pierre Janusz






-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Robertson <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:01
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons


Hi ...i have a chap needs a .020 over piston for his 2000TC........anyone have a spare lying around
Thanks
Bill Robertson 

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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  3 16:16:37 2010
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:16:37 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
Message-ID: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>


Hi Pierre.....

 

               The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone i have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons  for this car but they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the one seized piston out of the original block .

Thanks

Bill
 		 	   		  
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From Pjemail at aol.com  Wed Mar  3 18:02:12 2010
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:02:12 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
Message-ID: <334e9.34a4d532.38c04474@aol.com>

Dear Bill,
 
It sounds as though they might need to consider re-boring it out to a  
larger size. I will look to see if I have any +0.020" ones in 10:1, but if not I 
 probably have a set of +0.030" ones.
 
Regards,
 
Pierre
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From Pjemail at aol.com  Wed Mar  3 18:24:31 2010
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:24:31 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
Message-ID: <34afc.7d54f5c1.38c049af@aol.com>

Dear Bill,
 
I have had a look and I have +0.020" pistons only in 9:1 CR. I have both  
9:1 and 10:1 in +0.030" and +0.040".
 
Regards,
 
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From smwalsh at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  3 22:42:34 2010
From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
Message-ID: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca>

Working on my 67 P6. I have the later HS* carbs that replaced the 
original HD8. Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs 
were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in 
the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and 
cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. 
I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall 
correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air 
hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots 
around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know 
what else to try. HELP.
Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada.


From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Wed Mar  3 23:06:56 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:06:56 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
In-Reply-To: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca>
References: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista>

Sounds like the butterfly venturi low pressure feed is blocked.
I suspect high pressure air is the go to unblock.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve & Malinda Walsh" <smwalsh at shaw.ca>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb


> Working on my 67 P6. I have the later HS* carbs that replaced the 
> original HD8. Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs 
> were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in 
> the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and 
> cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. 
> I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall 
> correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air 
> hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots 
> around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know 
> what else to try. HELP.
> Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada.
>


From smwalsh at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  3 23:12:44 2010
From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:12:44 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
In-Reply-To: <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Wed Mar  3 23:18:42 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:18:42 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
In-Reply-To: <4B8F333C.1020004@shaw.ca>
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There is a small hole (like really small) where the butterfly closes.
It is on the top side, but not in the middle.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve & Malinda Walsh 
  To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
  Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb


  I am a novice Rover owner, where exactly would I find the low pressure feed.?
  I do have high pressure air.



  Netspace wrote: 
    Sounds like the butterfly venturi low pressure feed is blocked. 
    I suspect high pressure air is the go to unblock. 


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Malinda Walsh" <smwalsh at shaw.ca> 
    To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
    Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM 
    Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb 



      Working on my 67 P6. I have the later HS* carbs that replaced the original HD8. Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know what else to try. HELP. 
      Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada. 


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From smwalsh at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  3 23:27:54 2010
From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:27:54 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
In-Reply-To: <1D351D47498C412CA861E37F94953BEC@Vista>
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Thu Mar  4 01:13:16 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 06:13:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb
In-Reply-To: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1073349555.10655741267683196674.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Steve, 



The pistons/suction chamber (dome)? are factory matched and should not be switched! Now, there is no saying that they were not switched in the past. To test for a correct match, first plug the small holes in the bottom of the piston with masking tape or small rubber plugs. Fit the piston and the chamber together without the spring . Through one of the mounting holes, fit a flat washer with a nut and bolt to hold it in place. You want the washer to extend into the opening of the chamber to prevent the piston from falling out. Be certain that the piston is fully home in the chamber. Invert the assembly so that the piston falls and contacts the washer. Oops, forgot to tell you, that you do want the dampener in place. Check the time for the piston to fall. It should be between 5 and 7 seconds. If it exceeds this time check for oil, dirt or damage. Sometimes a piston that is rubbing a little can be fixed with some very fine emery cloth on the chamber or working it up and down using Bon Ami as an abrasive compound. You want them very clean and dry when you reassemble them. One last thought, check the dampener, too. there is a one way check valve built into it. 



Good luck with them. I will follow you progress. 



Slats 
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net  Thu Mar  4 01:40:03 2010
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carbs
Message-ID: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net>

Hi -
If by
"Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise"
you mean that the piston doesn't rise with the engine running, here goes:
Basic:
The pistons do not control airflow - that is the throttle plate's job.
The pistons rise in response to airflow past them, so if the piston is 
not seized, no movement means  it has no airflow.
The rising piston lifts the needle out of the jet in proportion to said 
airflow, giving correct mixture.
Problem:
If this is at idle only, then the idle speed screws are not set evenly = 
idle not synchronized.
If this is at any throttle opening above idle, the throttle linkage is 
maladjusted.
If it acts the same at wide open, that carb is simply not connected = 
REALLY maladjusted..

Idle speed screws on HS are little screws with springs around them, 
which are adjustable stops for how far the throttle is open when at 
rest. Move the linkage and observe the motion, you should soon see them 
in the carb body about 3/4" out from the shafts. As baseline, both 
screws should be screwed in about 1 1/2 or two turns from just opening 
the throttle. Two turns normally gives too much idle speed, but might be 
necessary at starting before you get things close. Adjust as needed for 
desired idle speed, but keep them even.

HD are completely different, big screws that actually adjust an idle air 
bypass passage, rather than moving throttles.

The throttle synch adjustment on Rover TC is labyrinthine and variable 
by version, but above idle both carbs should open together, possibly 
with one slightly leading the other (versions again!). The delay 
mechanism is the slotted cam plate/roller arrangement in the linkage 
between carbs. If the plastic roller is broken, worn, or missing, it is 
very hard to figure out if you are not familiar with it. Never could 
figure out why they did this; some Jag and even MG sedans did also - 
evidently something to do with getting a heavy car moving with proper 
decorum. I either make parts or convert to a solid coupling like all 
other twin SU sets. If the thing was set up incorrectly with the roller 
in place and the roller has gone on holiday, the second carb won't begin 
to open until about half throttle.

My book, bought in 71 to go with my 68 I bought then, does not cover the 
HS arrangement, though that's what the car has!  If need be I can go dig 
out some carb sets and tell you more; really helps if you have a pitcher 
donchaknow.  Should you be inclined to send me a picture of your linkage 
betwixt carbs, I might be able to sort it over the phone as a manner of 
speaking, but please do not send several over resolution pics at once - 
I have the world's worst dialup tin can & string gizmo, and you will 
screw my phone/email/internet. One at a time please!

FRM


From suzieq at senet.com.au  Thu Mar  4 02:06:03 2010
From: suzieq at senet.com.au (Sue and Shaun McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au>

Hi all
JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for 
most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au
A friend recently used them with great success.
Kind regards,
Shaun

Bill Robertson wrote:
> Hi Pierre.....
>  
>                The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by 
> someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone i 
> have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out 
> since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons  for this car but 
> they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the one 
> seized piston out of the original block .
> Thanks
> Bill
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone 
> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712961>


From den at aachenkennels.com  Thu Mar  4 03:19:59 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:19:59 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>
	<4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au>
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local>

Interesting you mention them Shaun I just used them to make a set of
+40 pistons for my 1947 Rover 16 engine. They do a superb job and as you
say will ship worldwide. 







-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Sue and Shaun McKenzie
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:06 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston

Hi all
JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for 
most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au
A friend recently used them with great success.
Kind regards,
Shaun

Bill Robertson wrote:
> Hi Pierre.....
>  
>                The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by 
> someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone
i 
> have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out 
> since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons  for this car but 
> they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the
one 
> seized piston out of the original block .
> Thanks
> Bill
> 
>
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> Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone 
> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712961>






From smwalsh at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  4 03:39:37 2010
From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:39:37 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carbs
In-Reply-To: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net>
References: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net>
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From suzieq at senet.com.au  Thu Mar  4 05:28:29 2010
From: suzieq at senet.com.au (Sue and Shaun McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:58:29 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>	<4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au>
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Hi Dennis
The Rover Car Club of South Aust were the last group to do a tour of 
this factory before the madness of public liability and OHS laws stopped 
any further groups visiting. This is a real shame.
Kind regards,
Shaun

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> Interesting you mention them Shaun I just used them to make a set of
> +40 pistons for my 1947 Rover 16 engine. They do a superb job and as you
> say will ship worldwide. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Sue and Shaun McKenzie
> Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:06 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
> 
> Hi all
> JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for 
> most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au
> A friend recently used them with great success.
> Kind regards,
> Shaun
> 
> Bill Robertson wrote:
>> Hi Pierre.....
>>  
>>                The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by 
>> someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone
> i 
>> have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out 
>> since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons  for this car but 
>> they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the
> one 
>> seized piston out of the original block .
>> Thanks
>> Bill
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone 
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From den at aachenkennels.com  Thu Mar  4 05:33:26 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:33:26 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>	<4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local>
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Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April.

I will be there.



[Regards.  Den Gallacher] 


From den at aachenkennels.com  Thu Mar  4 07:21:19 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:21:19 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081FA3@Server.adoptsec.local>

Interesting to see how much this old chap goes for?.

 

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From giannid at bigpond.com  Thu Mar  4 08:21:34 2010
From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 00:21:34 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>	<4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local>
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I'll be going, probably with the P3 6 light if I finish the  
replacement of the rear springs
interesting job!
very challenging to get the whole mechanism working again
planning to meet several other P3s and a P4 in Bordertown, enroute  
from Victoria
Cheers Gianni
Gianni D'Ortenzio
1948 P3 4 light
1949 P3 6 light
1969 P5BC
1971 P6B
2004 Landrover Defender



On 04/03/2010, at 9:33 PM, Dennis Gallacher wrote:

> Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April.
>
> I will be there.
>
>
>
> [Regards.  Den Gallacher]
>



From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net  Thu Mar  4 09:44:17 2010
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:44:17 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carb 2 + archive
Message-ID: <4B8FC741.9010605@usachoice.net>

I see there is a message from Steve, with no content on the digest, but 
a scrubbed HTML attachment. By the timing, this may be a reply/pic to my 
message. I clicked on the link and find the password protected Archive. 
I, of course, have no idea what if any user/password I ever may have 
used for this - my usual does not work here.
Steve, if it is a message to me, send it direct to my email.

FRM


From roverman2 at verizon.net  Thu Mar  4 15:32:53 2010
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:32:53 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons
Message-ID: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>

Hi Bill,

I have a set of brand new   20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC.  
Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are  
interested
. I don't want to break the set.

Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics


From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Mar  4 15:59:20 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons
In-Reply-To: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>
References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>

can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system 
that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 
manual five-speed box?



Jamie Kitman
Nyack, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons

Hi Bill,

I have a set of brand new   20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC.
Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are
interested
. I don't want to break the set.

Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics





From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Thu Mar  4 18:20:13 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:20:13 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl>	<4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local>
	<4B8F8B4D.4010508@senet.com.au>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local>
Message-ID: <0qf0p59qt7ihm4mcovpqf3dbc91d092b0p@4ax.com>

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:33:26 +0900, you wrote:

>Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April.

Not necessarily from this group, but around 12 cars expected to go
from Victoria, plus two to three RCCA members from here in Tasmania as
well. 

Unfortunately I wont be going. But as I have an MGZTT and also a
member of MGCC I would have dual allegiances. As well as Rove it is
the annual get together of MG Clubs of Australia at the same time,
same place. 

Cheers,

Peter Huttemeier
Webmaster 
Rover Car Club of Australia Inc
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/


From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  4 19:08:50 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:08:50 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Nat Rove 2010
In-Reply-To: <mailman.101.1267705287.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.101.1267705287.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT105-W42148E9DC22DA9428913938E380@phx.gbl>


I will be there coming from Northern New York (near the Canada border).

 

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From dmesmg at juno.com  Thu Mar  4 21:41:58 2010
From: dmesmg at juno.com (dmesmg at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] value of UK spec Series II P6B auto
Message-ID: <20100304.214158.2144.0.dmesmg@juno.com>

Hello,
Could some of our UK members offer some guidance on the approximate
value(possible range) of a late P6B automatic?  I am now based in the US
but was wondering what the correct approximate range is for the
following:   

A few details include:
1975--late, P-reg   451-series car.
overall very good body --minor previous welding for MoT, but overall a
very good base unit 
very good but not show quality paint  (scarab blue)  vinyl roof  
very presentable but not not show chrome
leather seats overall good,  carpeting might want replacement
under 80,000 miles and original engine runs well--but has not had major
attention
autobox (BW65) rebuild at 60K miles.  Car has been nicely maintained and
has good brakes, suspension, exhaust.
Located in Devon-Cornwall area.  

All in all, it is a well looked after car that has seen some use.

Are post-'73 cars seen as less desirable than the earlier tax exempt
examples--and is this reflected in prices?

Thanks in advance,
Dan 

  
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From den at aachenkennels.com  Thu Mar  4 21:53:25 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:53:25 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 110. for restoration.
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081FAC@Server.adoptsec.local>

 

Looks an easy job, but then they all are before you start...

 

I have often advised that the easiest part of any restoration project is
buying it.....

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190376638887&ssPag
eName=ADME:B:EF:AU:1123

 

 

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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Fri Mar  5 08:02:13 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust
 order [was 200TC Pistons]
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References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>
	<8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>
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Jamie,

Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel 
exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within 
the next week or two.  We currently have several Rover people 
participating and have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of 
different Rover models, and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or 
container to Fitchburg, Massachusetts.

Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that 
there are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems:  1) small bore for 1968 - 74 
automatic cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for 
manual (UK 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a 
single pipe further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars 
(this has the same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic 
system.)  It also matters which manifolds you have -- those off the 
original NADA 3500S have a smaller exit opening, where as those off the 
UK 3500S manual car have a larger opening.  (I don't know if later SD1 
or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but that would add another layer of 
possibilities.)

I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your 
car, but hopefully someone else can confirm. 

If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust 
order, I can send more details off-line.  We have negotiated some good 
prices, and the exchange rate has been more favorable lately...

--Steve Manwell


ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust 
> system that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a 
> LT77 manual five-speed box?
>
>
>
> Jamie Kitman
> Nyack, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I have a set of brand new   20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC.
> Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are
> interested
> . I don't want to break the set.
>
> Dermot Harvey
> Spectral Kinetics
>
>
>
>
>
>


From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Fri Mar  5 20:46:24 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
In-Reply-To: Sue and Shaun McKenzie <suzieq@senet.com.au>'s message of Thu,
	04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030
Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S.

Thanks.

Albert



From bsaunders at firstva.com  Sat Mar  6 08:18:56 2010
From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
In-Reply-To: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: Sue and Shaun McKenzie <suzieq@senet.com.au>'s message of Thu,
	04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030
	<4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <810E0B9448AA48358C12E0D3D85F075B@sd1>

Where are you located? I have one that will need to be rebuilt if you want
it.
Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Albert Boasberg
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:46 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed

I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S.

Thanks.

Albert






From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Sat Mar  6 13:05:24 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:05:24 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
In-Reply-To: "Ben Saunders" <bsaunders@firstva.com>'s message of Sat,
	6 Mar 2010 08:18:56 -0500
Message-ID: <21567-4B929964-520@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Ben:

I am in San Francisco.

I would prefer to have one that is already rebuilt, if possible.

Thanks and with best regards.

Albert



From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  6 21:39:06 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT105-W46AAAA042082DBE7941AB68E360@phx.gbl>




> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800
> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car
> 	enthusiasts.)
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
> Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395 at storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
> 
> I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Albert

WP 58108 (with airconditioning)
http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58108_0267398282&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030

WP 58107 (w/o airconditioning)

http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58107_0267398283&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030

The above are NAPA part numbers, for a Buick Skylark, 1962 215 ci water pump. I know that a Rover 3500 water pump can go on a Buick Skylark Motor. A friend of my fathers, had his Buick Skylark break down in Melbourne years ago, with a very leaky water pump, and purchased a Rover V8 water pump to get it back on the road quickly. The NAPA part number cross to the Cardone numbers. 

The part number for the water pump gasket is the same for the Rover 3500 and the Buick Skylark.  So you could take off your water pump and compare with what NAPA can order in the store. Someone on here must know if they can be substituted.

OReilly's carry these as well.


James.



   
 		 	   		  
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  6 22:57:40 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 22:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>


I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.

http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
 		 	   		  
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sun Mar  7 01:45:43 2010
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:45:43 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
	<SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>


http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/rover-p6-t11210.htm


Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info



From DevlinS at bp.com  Sun Mar  7 01:49:59 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:49:59 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>
	<1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>
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It's probably Patrick Hiron


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of RoverP6 at gmx.de
Sent: 07 March 2010 06:46
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?


http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
ver-p6-t11210.htm


Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info




From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sun Mar  7 03:42:08 2010
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl><1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>
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Message-ID: <99443F62E94B4C57829885D65511E84C@rw>


Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built by 
Leykor / SA):

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg

A SA colour?

Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info 



From kkinard at att.net  Sun Mar  7 08:35:39 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:35:39 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed,
	and Rover V8 parts.
In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
	<SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B93ABAB.8020501@att.net>

Hi Netters,
Time for my periodic caution about water pumps.  The P5B/P6B application 
is unique.  Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early 
front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover 
entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require 
conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will 
not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B.

Roverly,
Kent K.

James Radcliffe wrote:
> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ 
> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.
>
> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
>
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 11:34:50 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts.
Message-ID: <SNT105-W3012A85ABC6BABDED9BDBE8E360@phx.gbl>


Hi Netters,
>Time for my periodic caution about water pumps.  The P5B/P6B application 
>is unique.  Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early 
>front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover 
>entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require 
>conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will 
>not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B.
>
>Roverly,
>Kent K.
>
>James Radcliffe wrote:
>> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ 
>> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.
>>
>> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
>>


I see what you mean about the flanges being different. If the shaft size is the same, could you press them both out, and put the 3500 S flange onto the remanufactured Buick pump? Some NAPA stores are next to a machine shop, so you could it all done in one visit. Some mechanics have a presses in their workshop who could change it over. I suspect this is what John Hoffman did with his Buick when he had to change it in a hurry. Even if they charge 20 dollars to press out, it would still be a cheap water pump for a Rover 3500S.

 

Cardone do list the Rover 3500S as being a rebuild and return option.  You do have to take off the pump you have, send it to them, and then it comes back in a couple of weeks. NAPA act as an agent for Cardone, so you can drop it off there. However I did try this on my Rover 2000 water pump, and they could not do it. However you would probably have more luck with the Rover 3500 S water pump.

 

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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 17:07:23 2010
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:07:23 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500
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>From memory Leykor was never a huge fan of metallic colours and they tended to follow the UK colour palette with its characteristic dedication to solid colours.  I fact I can't remember ever seeing any Leykor product in metallic. 

 

Suggest googling "austin apache" - there's a UK based website dedicated to this Leykor product and the site owner appears to have a large body of knowledge about Leykor - which may include its use of colours.
 
> From: RoverP6 at gmx.de
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500
> 
> 
> Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built by 
> Leykor / SA):
> 
> http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg
> 
> http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg
> 
> A SA colour?
> 
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info 
> 
> 
 		 	   		  
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From maxthorne at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 18:09:58 2010
From: maxthorne at hotmail.com (Max Thorne)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:09:58 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21,
	Issue 8 - Water Pump for V8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1267981235.10626.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Hi there

If you are prepared to go as far as the UK to buy, Rimmer Bros (and I'm sure 
Wadhams and others) have the correct type water pumps for around $100 plus 
freight.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID000377

Delivery time is only a few days to Australia/New Zealand so it might be the 
same to the States?

Max
Brisbane

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>   4. NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
>   5. Re: NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
>      (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
>   6. South Africa assembled P6 3500 (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
>   7. Re: Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. (Kent Kinard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:05:24 -0800
> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts.)
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
> Message-ID: <21567-4B929964-520 at storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
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> Hi Ben:
>
> I am in San Francisco.
>
> I would prefer to have one that is already rebuilt, if possible.
>
> Thanks and with best regards.
>
> Albert
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:39:06 -0500
> From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com>
> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed.
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800
>> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car
>> enthusiasts.)
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed
>> Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395 at storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Albert
>
> WP 58108 (with airconditioning)
> http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58108_0267398282&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030
>
> WP 58107 (w/o airconditioning)
>
> http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58107_0267398283&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030
>
> The above are NAPA part numbers, for a Buick Skylark, 1962 215 ci water 
> pump. I know that a Rover 3500 water pump can go on a Buick Skylark Motor. 
> A friend of my fathers, had his Buick Skylark break down in Melbourne 
> years ago, with a very leaky water pump, and purchased a Rover V8 water 
> pump to get it back on the road quickly. The NAPA part number cross to the 
> Cardone numbers.
>
> The part number for the water pump gasket is the same for the Rover 3500 
> and the Buick Skylark.  So you could take off your water pump and compare 
> with what NAPA can order in the store. Someone on here must know if they 
> can be substituted.
>
> OReilly's carry these as well.
>
>
> James.
>
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> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ Buick 
> V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.
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> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
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> On Behalf Of RoverP6 at gmx.de
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> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
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> Rudiger
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> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100
> From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500
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> Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built 
> by
> Leykor / SA):
>
> http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg
>
> http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg
>
> A SA colour?
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:35:39 -0600
> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
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> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover
> V8 parts.
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> Hi Netters,
> Time for my periodic caution about water pumps.  The P5B/P6B application
> is unique.  Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early
> front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover
> entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require
> conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will
> not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> James Radcliffe wrote:
>> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/
>> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.
>>
>> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
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> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:34:50 -0500
> From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com>
> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8
> parts.
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>
> Hi Netters,
>>Time for my periodic caution about water pumps.  The P5B/P6B application
>>is unique.  Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early
>>front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover
>>entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require
>>conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will
>>not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B.
>>
>>Roverly,
>>Kent K.
>>
>>James Radcliffe wrote:
>>> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/
>>> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps.
>>>
>>> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
>>>
>
>
> I see what you mean about the flanges being different. If the shaft size 
> is the same, could you press them both out, and put the 3500 S flange onto 
> the remanufactured Buick pump? Some NAPA stores are next to a machine 
> shop, so you could it all done in one visit. Some mechanics have a presses 
> in their workshop who could change it over. I suspect this is what John 
> Hoffman did with his Buick when he had to change it in a hurry. Even if 
> they charge 20 dollars to press out, it would still be a cheap water pump 
> for a Rover 3500S.
>
>
>
> Cardone do list the Rover 3500S as being a rebuild and return option.  You 
> do have to take off the pump you have, send it to them, and then it comes 
> back in a couple of weeks. NAPA act as an agent for Cardone, so you can 
> drop it off there. However I did try this on my Rover 2000 water pump, and 
> they could not do it. However you would probably have more luck with the 
> Rover 3500 S water pump.
>
>
>
> James.
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From roverman2 at verizon.net  Sun Mar  7 21:25:35 2010
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:25:35 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump
Message-ID: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net>

I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to  
the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume  
pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if  
the A/C works.
  I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump.  
Anyone know?

Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics


From kkinard at att.net  Sun Mar  7 22:50:44 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:50:44 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump
In-Reply-To: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net>
References: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B947414.3050900@att.net>

Hi Netters,
I'm not sure there is anything particularly difficult about rebuilding 
the 3500S pump. The SD1 pumps and contemporary RR's with the same fan, 
require a special arbor for the press. We don't talk about this often 
enough for me to remember everything that has been said over the years. 
The 2000 pump uses a special bearing that is made of unobtainium. Ruth 
said someone in BC did a batch of 2000 bearings years back. Anyone 
remeber? I tried (not very hard) to get a batch of 2000 pumps rebuilt a 
year or so ago with no joy.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Dermot Harvey wrote:
> I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to 
> the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume 
> pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if 
> the A/C works.
> I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump. Anyone 
> know?
>
> Dermot Harvey
> Spectral Kinetics
>
>



From pjemail at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 04:14:40 2010
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump
In-Reply-To: <4B947414.3050900@att.net>
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Dear Kent,

I have plenty of new water pumps for the 2000, and I don't think there is a real problem getting hold of the bearing. The problem if anything is the supply of new impellors, but in most cases you can save and re-use the original impellor by refacing the operating surface.

Regards,

Pierre Janusz






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From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 3:50
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump


Hi Netters, 
I'm not sure there is anything particularly difficult about rebuilding the 3500S pump. The SD1 pumps and contemporary RR's with the same fan, require a special arbor for the press. We don't talk about this often enough for me to remember everything that has been said over the years. The 2000 pump uses a special bearing that is made of unobtainium. Ruth said someone in BC did a batch of 2000 bearings years back. Anyone remeber? I tried (not very hard) to get a batch of 2000 pumps rebuilt a year or so ago with no joy. 
 
Roverly, 
Kent K. 
 
Dermot Harvey wrote: 
> I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to > the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume > pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if > the A/C works. 
> I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump. Anyone > know? 
> 
> Dermot Harvey 
> Spectral Kinetics 
> 
> 
 

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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 18:28:07 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:28:07 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com>

Interestingly the car seems to have a standard rear bumper rather than
the Federal pattern  - it doesn't seem to wrap around far enough at
the sides for the . It has no side marker lamps or reflector units
below the tail lamps along with some non standard "V8" badges on the
front wings - did it get some 2000 parts at some time I wonder?.

It's a very pretty car all the same. Black really suits a P6


> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
> ver-p6-t11210.htm


From phing at videotron.ca  Mon Mar  8 19:27:40 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:27:40 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Hi 
 Who , or what is probably me ?? I can't open the link 
 Patrick 

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Behalf Of Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?


It's probably Patrick Hiron


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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?


http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
ver-p6-t11210.htm


Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info





From phing at videotron.ca  Mon Mar  8 19:39:00 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca>

Hi 
 OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " That's the
way it came out of20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs properly! 
 Cheers 
 Patrick  

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:28 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?

Interestingly the car seems to have a standard rear bumper rather than
the Federal pattern  - it doesn't seem to wrap around far enough at
the sides for the . It has no side marker lamps or reflector units
below the tail lamps along with some non standard "V8" badges on the
front wings - did it get some 2000 parts at some time I wonder?.

It's a very pretty car all the same. Black really suits a P6


> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
> ver-p6-t11210.htm



From kkinard at att.net  Mon Mar  8 20:02:47 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:02:47 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
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Hi Aidrian,
There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.   The "unholy" rear 
wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to 
repair accident damage or rust.  Rear badging is correct, but 3500S 
badges are missing from the front wings.  The bonnet is correct, though 
the air cleaner has been changed.  The brake system is definitely NAS 
with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely 
an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS 
car made to look like an NAS.

Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back 
about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory 
changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.   
Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over 
again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was 
first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.

Roverly,
Kent K.



Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
> >  ver-p6-t11210.htm
>    



From vern at inkspotco.com  Mon Mar  8 20:22:14 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:22:14 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
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The last reference to NADA I have is the October 1969 Service Newsletter. After that, the Newsletters refer to either just "export" vs "home" markets or, occasionally, USA & Canada.

I have seen NADA, with the same meaning, used elsewhere in British industy in the late 40s, so I suspect it was part of the language of the times, with the UK looking to export as much stuff as possible to reduce the war debt.

Yours
Vern
On 2010-03-08, at 5:02 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:

> Hi Aidrian,
> There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.   The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust.  Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings.  The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed.  The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS.
> 
> Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.   Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
> 
> 
> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
>> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
>> >  ver-p6-t11210.htm
>>   
> 
> 

Inkspot Type & Design	250 864 5619	in at inkspotco.com






From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 21:41:41 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:41:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com>
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North America Dollar Area

Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 



----- Original Message ----
From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 5:22:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?

The last reference to NADA I have is the October 1969 Service Newsletter. After that, the Newsletters refer to either just "export" vs "home" markets or, occasionally, USA & Canada.

I have seen NADA, with the same meaning, used elsewhere in British industy in the late 40s, so I suspect it was part of the language of the times, with the UK looking to export as much stuff as possible to reduce the war debt.

Yours
Vern
On 2010-03-08, at 5:02 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:

> Hi Aidrian,
> There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.? The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust.? Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings.? The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed.? The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS.
> 
> Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS.? My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.? Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again.? I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
> 
> 
> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
>> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
>> >? ver-p6-t11210.htm
>>? 
> 
> 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 22:46:46 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net>
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	<4B959E37.8010909@att.net>
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Kent Kinard wrote:
> Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back 
> about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory 
> changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.   
> Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing 
> over again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference 
> was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 
> 1950's.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>

In my opinion, this is always worth rehashing as it is one of my 
favorite recurring discussions. And, of course, the fact of the matter 
is that the V8 P6 sold in the USA and Canada is a FEDERAL 3500S.  Don't 
even speak of NADA or NAS when referencing the V8 P6's sold on this side 
of the Atlantic. Some secretly believe that "Federal" has its root in 
new safety laws passed in Washington, but others always point out that 
Canada is a federation, as well. The real truth may never be known, 
which is what makes it such a good topic for discussion.

My second favorite topic of discussion is the classic "Thank God for 
Eisenhower" thread, but Eric usually kicks me off the list for a month 
or two if I start that one up.

Glen

;-)


From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 23:26:14 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:26:14 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
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Eric Russell wrote:
> North America Dollar Area
>
> Eric
>   

The one thing it definitely has no relation to is the National 
Automobile Dealers Association, which is what uninitiated Americans seem 
to assume when first confronted with NADA designations.

Glen


From rovercar at comcast.net  Tue Mar  9 00:05:40 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
In-Reply-To: <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca>
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
> Hi 
>  OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " That's the
> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs properly! 
>  Cheers 
>  Patrick 

Ah, Patrick!  One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition of 
"A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle.

I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg.

http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm

http://www.rubegoldberg.com/

Glen


From vern at inkspotco.com  Tue Mar  9 01:05:51 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:05:51 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
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Just found a 1949 American newspaper article that talks about Britain devaluing the pound, with the result that bread has gone up in price because wheat comes from the "North American Dollar Area"

Yours
Vern
On 2010-03-08, at 8:26 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:

> Eric Russell wrote:
>> North America Dollar Area
>> 
>> Eric
>>  
> 
> The one thing it definitely has no relation to is the National Automobile Dealers Association, which is what uninitiated Americans seem to assume when first confronted with NADA designations.
> 
> Glen
> 

Inkspot Type & Design	250 864 5619	in at inkspotco.com






From ilcommodor at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 10:32:07 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:32:07 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
In-Reply-To: <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com>

speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- 
check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, 
and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w





--- Original Message ---
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Hi  OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " 
>> That's the
>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs 
>> properly!  Cheers  Patrick 
>
> Ah, Patrick!  One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition 
> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle.
>
> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg.
>
> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm
>
> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/
>
> Glen
>



From phing at videotron.ca  Tue Mar  9 11:29:22 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
In-Reply-To: <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com>
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HI 
 Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is
still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 miles
away speaks a different dialect  " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich .
A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers
design culture is based on a  cartoonist named Heath Robinson  whose crazy
inventions were featured in Punch . 
Cheers 
 Patrick 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Jamie Kitman
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover

speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- 
check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, 
and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w





--- Original Message ---
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Hi  OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " 
>> That's the
>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs 
>> properly!  Cheers  Patrick 
>
> Ah, Patrick!  One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition 
> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle.
>
> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg.
>
> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm
>
> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/
>
> Glen
>





From phing at videotron.ca  Tue Mar  9 15:19:52 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
 owner on Rovernet?
In-Reply-To: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net>
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Hi
According to its Heritage certificate  RVW is a genuine Federal P6B ,
shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before
finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper
came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper
into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident
damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious
Friday afternoon cars built on the  " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores
? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and
the tea break is coming up " "principle.
There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also
has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors. 
Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers
Cheers 
 Patrick    

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?

Hi Aidrian,
There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.   The "unholy" rear 
wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to 
repair accident damage or rust.  Rear badging is correct, but 3500S 
badges are missing from the front wings.  The bonnet is correct, though 
the air cleaner has been changed.  The brake system is definitely NAS 
with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely 
an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS 
car made to look like an NAS.

Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back 
about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory 
changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.   
Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over 
again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was 
first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.

Roverly,
Kent K.



Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
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> >  ver-p6-t11210.htm
>    

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From vern at inkspotco.com  Tue Mar  9 16:38:47 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:38:47 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
	owner on Rovernet?
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The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear fenders.  I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of reflectors. What year is the car?

Yours
Vern


On 2010-03-09, at 12:19 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Hi
> 
> According to its Heritage certificate  RVW is a genuine Federal P6B , shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious Friday afternoon cars built on the  " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores  ? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and the tea break is coming up " "principle.
> 
> There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors.
> 
> Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers
> 
> Cheers
> 
>  Patrick   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?
> 
> Hi Aidrian,
> 
> There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.   The "unholy" rear
> 
> wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to
> 
> repair accident damage or rust.  Rear badging is correct, but 3500S
> 
> badges are missing from the front wings.  The bonnet is correct, though
> 
> the air cleaner has been changed.  The brake system is definitely NAS
> 
> with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely
> 
> an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS
> 
> car made to look like an NAS.
> 
> Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back
> 
> about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory
> 
> changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.  
> 
> Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over
> 
> again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was
> 
> first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.
> 
> Roverly,
> 
> Kent K.
> 
> 
> 
> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
> 
> > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro
> 
> > >  ver-p6-t11210.htm
> 
> >   
> 

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From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com  Tue Mar  9 17:19:13 2010
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:49:13 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable?





From phing at videotron.ca  Tue Mar  9 17:19:43 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
	-	owner on Rovernet?
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Vern 

 RVW is a 1970 model .Given the state of labour relations, rampant unionism
and  non existent quality control  in the UK at the time I wouldn't think
any one would have cared less about  sticking the reflectors on an export
car .It's strange that there are two P6bs without reflectors  , or even the
holes to install them in my neck of the woods . Perhaps the Canadian specs
were different ??

As an expat Brit I tried to buy a Rover when I lived I Toronto  in the late
1960s . The dealers were totally clueless and wouldn't have noticed minor
details, or even an engine , were missing . Although I wore   Union Jack
underpants I gave up in disgust  and bought a Volvo Amazon instead! 

Cheers 

 Patrick 

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Vern Klukas
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:39 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
owner on Rovernet?

 

The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear fenders.  I
find it hard to believe the car would of been imported that way, as it
actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of reflectors. What year
is the car?

 

Yours

Vern

 

 

On 2010-03-09, at 12:19 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:





Hi

According to its Heritage certificate  RVW is a genuine Federal P6B ,
shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before
finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper
came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper
into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident
damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious
Friday afternoon cars built on the  " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores
? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and
the tea break is coming up " "principle.

There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also
has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors. 

Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers

Cheers 

 Patrick    

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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet?

Hi Aidrian,

There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.   The "unholy" rear 

wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to 

repair accident damage or rust.  Rear badging is correct, but 3500S 

badges are missing from the front wings.  The bonnet is correct, though 

the air cleaner has been changed.  The brake system is definitely NAS 

with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely 

an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS 

car made to look like an NAS.

Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back 

about the terms NADA and NAS.  My recollection is that the factory 

changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.   

Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over 

again.  I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was 

first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's.

Roverly,

Kent K.

 

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:

> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro

> >  ver-p6-t11210.htm

>    

 

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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 17:59:42 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:49:13 +1030
> From: Robert Thornton <R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com>
> To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
> 	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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> Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable?
> 
> 
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There is at least one owner of these in the Rover Club of South Australia. Judging by your email address, I suspect that you are in Adelaide, so if you are a member of the Rover Club of SA, have a look at the list which is printed once a year, it should tell you who owns that car, and I think it has contact details as well. I can't think of his name, although I have met him, he flies airplanes, and seemed to be a pretty good guy, so he should be able to help.

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From kkinard at att.net  Tue Mar  9 18:24:45 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:24:45 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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Hi Robert,
I drove one once on our last trip to NZ (2005) and enjoyed it very much. 
We didn't get this model in US or Canada, but they were sold in LHD form 
in Mexico. Judging by the asking price of used examples in Mexico, they 
have held up rather well. I have drooled over them for years...so near 
and yet so far. We can't bring them into the US legally, but....

Roverly,
Kent K.

Robert Thornton wrote:
> Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable?
>
>
>
>
>
>    



From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Tue Mar  9 20:28:25 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:28:25 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:49:13 +1030, you wrote:

>
>Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable?

It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars
to buy. I have a MGZT Tourer, which is the more sporty version of the
75.

There are two main things to look for. The engine needs regular belt
changes, every 80,000ks or so. Also there is a problem with the
original plastic/metal thermostat housing. It tends to split and leak.
There are aftermarket replacements either full plastic or all metal.

If the car has a good service history, by either the former MG Rover
dealers or by someone who knows what they are doing, it is a good
start.

Because of the perception of an orphan these days the prices for good
cars are low. 

There is quite a good email discussion group which I am manager for
http://groups.google.com.au/group/rover75-mgzt-aus and is a good
source of knowledge for these cars. There is also a UK club just for
75/ZTs.

You may know the Australian Rove is in Adelaide this Easter. There
will be a good fleet of 75s there, why not go along and have a talk
with the owners and see for yourself.

Cheers,

Peter H


From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Tue Mar  9 20:35:54 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:35:54 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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>
>It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars
Meant to say "any car".

PS here is a photo of mine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/3806401686/in/set-72157623337983698/

Cheers,

Peter H


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 00:04:54 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:04:54 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
 -	owner on Rovernet?
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Vern Klukas wrote:
> The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear 
> fenders.  I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported 
> that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of 
> reflectors. What year is the car?
>
> Yours
> Vern

I agree with you, Vern, but I do wonder if the specs on Canadian cars 
differed from the specs on USA cars. I'm sure that the intent was to 
make all Federal 3500S's identical so that they could be exported to 
either country, as needed. The reflectors were glued on, right? Would 
the car have been illegal without them in Canada? However, the lack of  
the larger bumper and even the lack of reflectors would have been a 
clear deviation from the automobile as advertised for sale across both 
counties.

Patrick, my opinion is that your car is not as it left the factory. 
However, it is also my opinion that it has probably been improved from 
stock. These cars do look extraordinarily nice in black, which we know 
was not a factory color. Your deletion of the AED is also considered an 
improvement by many. The 2000-style bumper is somewhat sleeker, but it 
is not as strong as the 3500S bumper, so it looses from an engineering 
standpoint.

When the car was repainted, I would not be the least bit surprised that 
the restorer left all of the reflectors off since they were  1) simply 
glued on  2) tended to clutter up the styling of the car  3) tended to 
fade with age and 4) were probably not easy to obtain in a pristine 
condition that matched the rest of the car.

The bumper issue may also be a matter of styling preference on the part 
of the restorer. If there were ANY issues with the rear bumper such as 
rust or dents, an excellent 2000TC bumper would probably have been much 
easier to obtain and much less expensive. I would be curious to know if 
the fenders are actually 2000 fenders or 3500S fenders that have had the 
extra bumper attachment holes filled prior to painting. Reaching a hand 
up inside the fenders could probably answer that question.

All of this is just anorak stuff because you already know that the car 
is absolutely beautiful even though it is in a non-factory color. If the 
paint is not original, and the air intake system is not original, who 
cares about the back fenders and bumpers? There's not a single person on 
this list who doesn't wish he owned your lovely car.

As far as I am concerned, you'd better keep it in your garage and keep 
the garage locked because I'm only a few hundred miles south!

Glen


From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 07:27:26 2010
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:27:26 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
Message-ID: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com>



     Hi All,
               I'll add to this. Don't know the JP people at all (they are 
about a days drive - 24 hours - away )  but because they are on my Island, I 
would support them if I needed a rare set of slugs. I can see the time 
coming.

   My point, Simon Taylor from the Pommy Classic and Sports Car Magazine 
has a Bentley Sedanca. He blew it up a while back. ($$$ & % &  ?, Pounds of 
Sterling ? WOT ).  Stiff Upper Lip Required.
 
   A Master-Craftsman was engaged to restore the Engine. The Master set out 
to ReConstruct the propulsion device to a better than as new condition. 
Vibrations absent and Silent. A Perfect Engine. He chose Pistons from Adelaide.

  It was documented in the Magazine and should last at least 100 years to 
Infiniti if properly serviced and the correct fuels and lubricants can be 
supplied at the correct intervals. A true Classic, Simon is only Holding the 
Car for Future Custodians. Money, is of no consequence. I think his StoveBolt 
is in a similiar situation 

   At that paragraph, I will alter the statement, it is Simon and His Wife 
who hold the Car(s). Don't know where it will get "providenced" to but the 
"Adelaide" Pistons are now part of its Fabric. A choice made by the 
Master-Craftsman Engine Re-Constructer.

   The Chronicles, (such as this) will provide a history of how good 
certain bits were, long after we are all gone and our Machines remain, held in new 
hands.

   That set of Adelaide Bentley Pistons have been well covered in the Pommy 
Magazine (and will be into the future). So you make your choice and then 
contemplate the risk for years to come. 

   Economics come into play here and the Aussie Buck. It is not the 
"Pacific Peso" anymore. How much do you want to put into your treasures for future 
generations ? Can you trust them? ( The Future Generations.) .

   If you want to restore - refresh - preserve a device for future 
centuries, sounds to me like the Adelaide Piston Makers are there for us. I used to 
like Mahle for all my Buzzy engines but they were heavy. Seems to me that 
the Adelaide Pistons may give the best long Service. No Bias there, I'm a 
QUEENSLANDER. I have a couple of Cam suppliers that I preferred to use here in 
Brisbane and will always go back there first.

   That is my bit on the Adelaide Pistons. I hope that my basic thoughts on 
Philosophy are noted. I am a bit strung out at the moment. My Dad had a 
Quintupel Bypass and valve transplant yesterday. When I rang to check on him 
last night, the ICU put him ON THE PHONE. He is 76.   If anyone wants to know 
more, contact off Rovernet.

   Regards,
                 Mark Jones.
   
  P.S.  I am writing to support new manufacturers of otherwise 
"UnObtainable " components. Here in SE Queensland we used to have an outfit called 
"NewFound Metals". they ran for about 15 years and then folded. They made all 
sorts of castings mainly non ferrous. I would love to go and commission some 
Rover bits but they are gone. MWJ.

  
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 09:56:58 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:56:58 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston
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Hello Rovernetters,
   That sounds like a good outfit over on the Pacific Rim!!  I will keep
them in mind!!  Best of luck for your father's recovery, Mark!  It sounds
like he is off to a good start.
Garrett in the USA

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <MarkCoorparoo at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>      Hi All,
>                I'll add to this. Don't know the JP people at all (they are
> about a days drive - 24 hours - away )  but because they are on my Island, I
> would support them if I needed a rare set of slugs. I can see the time
> coming.
>
>    My point, Simon Taylor from the Pommy Classic and Sports Car Magazine
> has a Bentley Sedanca. He blew it up a while back. ($$$ & % &  ?, Pounds of
> Sterling ? WOT ).  Stiff Upper Lip Required.
>
>    A Master-Craftsman was engaged to restore the Engine. The Master set out
> to ReConstruct the propulsion device to a better than as new condition.
> Vibrations absent and Silent. A Perfect Engine. He chose Pistons from
> Adelaide.
>
>   It was documented in the Magazine and should last at least 100 years to
> Infiniti if properly serviced and the correct fuels and lubricants can be
> supplied at the correct intervals. A true Classic, Simon is only Holding the
> Car for Future Custodians. Money, is of no consequence. I think his
> StoveBolt is in a similiar situation
>
>    At that paragraph, I will alter the statement, it is Simon and His Wife
> who hold the Car(s). Don't know where it will get "providenced" to but the
> "Adelaide" Pistons are now part of its Fabric. A choice made by the
> Master-Craftsman Engine Re-Constructer.
>
>    The Chronicles, (such as this) will provide a history of how good
> certain bits were, long after we are all gone and our Machines remain, held
> in new hands.
>
>    That set of Adelaide Bentley Pistons have been well covered in the Pommy
> Magazine (and will be into the future). So you make your choice and then
> contemplate the risk for years to come.
>
>    Economics come into play here and the Aussie Buck. It is not the
> "Pacific Peso" anymore. How much do you want to put into your treasures for
> future generations ? Can you trust them? ( The Future Generations.) .
>
>    If you want to restore - refresh - preserve a device for future
> centuries, sounds to me like the Adelaide Piston Makers are there for us. I
> used to like Mahle for all my Buzzy engines but they were heavy. Seems to me
> that the Adelaide Pistons may give the best long Service. No Bias there, I'm
> a QUEENSLANDER. I have a couple of Cam suppliers that I preferred to use
> here in Brisbane and will always go back there first.
>
>    That is my bit on the Adelaide Pistons. I hope that my basic thoughts on
> Philosophy are noted. I am a bit strung out at the moment. My Dad had a
> Quintupel Bypass and valve transplant yesterday. When I rang to check on him
> last night, the ICU put him ON THE PHONE. He is 76.   If anyone wants to
> know more, contact off Rovernet.
>
>    Regards,
>                  Mark Jones.
>
>   P.S.  I am writing to support new manufacturers of otherwise
> "UnObtainable " components. Here in SE Queensland we used to have an outfit
> called "NewFound Metals". they ran for about 15 years and then folded. They
> made all sorts of castings mainly non ferrous. I would love to go and
> commission some Rover bits but they are gone. MWJ.
>
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 09:59:31 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
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not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one 
response:

anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with a 
P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box?

thanks

jamie kitman




From jaguru at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 10 10:19:30 2010
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:19:30 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
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I have found that the stock exhaust system is too close to the clutch slave 
cylinder, on my 3500S with 5 speed gearbox. I have always supposed dual 
exhausts would solve this problem; but perhaps a heat shield on the slave is 
the answer? I am not sure. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Kitman" <ilcommodor at aol.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time


> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one 
> response:
>
> anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with a 
> P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box?
>
> thanks
>
> jamie kitman
>
>
>
> 




From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 10 10:41:32 2010
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:41:32 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
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Hi Jamie

Maybe try talking to Ian Wilson in the UK he has access to bespoke  
exhaust systems in the and is a great chap to work with.  http://www.rover-classics.co.uk

Cheers,

Steven



On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59, Jamie Kitman <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote:

> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not  
> one response:
>
> anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work  
> with a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box?
>
> thanks
>
> jamie kitman
>
>
>
>


From phing at videotron.ca  Wed Mar 10 11:23:08 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
	-	owner on Rovernet?
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Glen 
 Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping
screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served
as  apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
Cheers 
 Patrick 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:05 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
owner on Rovernet?

Vern Klukas wrote:
> The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear 
> fenders.  I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported 
> that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of 
> reflectors. What year is the car?
>
> Yours
> Vern

I agree with you, Vern, but I do wonder if the specs on Canadian cars 
differed from the specs on USA cars. I'm sure that the intent was to 
make all Federal 3500S's identical so that they could be exported to 
either country, as needed. The reflectors were glued on, right? Would 
the car have been illegal without them in Canada? However, the lack of  
the larger bumper and even the lack of reflectors would have been a 
clear deviation from the automobile as advertised for sale across both 
counties.

Patrick, my opinion is that your car is not as it left the factory. 
However, it is also my opinion that it has probably been improved from 
stock. These cars do look extraordinarily nice in black, which we know 
was not a factory color. Your deletion of the AED is also considered an 
improvement by many. The 2000-style bumper is somewhat sleeker, but it 
is not as strong as the 3500S bumper, so it looses from an engineering 
standpoint.

When the car was repainted, I would not be the least bit surprised that 
the restorer left all of the reflectors off since they were  1) simply 
glued on  2) tended to clutter up the styling of the car  3) tended to 
fade with age and 4) were probably not easy to obtain in a pristine 
condition that matched the rest of the car.

The bumper issue may also be a matter of styling preference on the part 
of the restorer. If there were ANY issues with the rear bumper such as 
rust or dents, an excellent 2000TC bumper would probably have been much 
easier to obtain and much less expensive. I would be curious to know if 
the fenders are actually 2000 fenders or 3500S fenders that have had the 
extra bumper attachment holes filled prior to painting. Reaching a hand 
up inside the fenders could probably answer that question.

All of this is just anorak stuff because you already know that the car 
is absolutely beautiful even though it is in a non-factory color. If the 
paint is not original, and the air intake system is not original, who 
cares about the back fenders and bumpers? There's not a single person on 
this list who doesn't wish he owned your lovely car.

As far as I am concerned, you'd better keep it in your garage and keep 
the garage locked because I'm only a few hundred miles south!

Glen




From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 12:14:05 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:14:05 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
 -	owner on Rovernet?
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
> Glen 
>  Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping
> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served
> as  apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
> Cheers 
>  Patrick 
>
>   
Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of 
engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were 
definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. 
I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto 
the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes 
them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies 
for them when someone on the list asks for a set.

Glen


From vern at inkspotco.com  Wed Mar 10 12:35:43 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:35:43 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
	-	owner on Rovernet?
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Ahh, you are talking about the side reflectors. The rearward facing reflector on the rear fender was bolted on (memory is vague though, so I'm not betting my first born on that). It is the same reflector, with a different chrome casing, that was fitted to the corners of the truck lid on earlier models.

And without the rear reflectors the car would of been illegal in Canada, to answer the earlier question.

I just spent a few minutes checking out googled 3500s images, it is amazing how many cars have been changed in the rear.

Yours
Vern

On 2010-03-10, at 9:14 AM, Glen Wilson wrote:

> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Glen  Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping
>> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served
>> as  apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
>> Cheers  Patrick 
>>  
> Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set.
> 
> Glen
> 

Inkspot Type & Design	250 864 5619	in at inkspotco.com






From kkinard at att.net  Wed Mar 10 12:36:31 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:36:31 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
In-Reply-To: <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com>
References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com>	<982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jamie,
I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a 
different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures.  
Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I 
recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one 
I saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock 
Federal car for comparison.  Will post the results over the weekend.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Jamie Kitman wrote:
> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one 
> response:
>
> anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with 
> a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box?
>
> thanks
>
> jamie kitman
>
>
>
>



From kkinard at att.net  Wed Mar 10 12:53:42 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:53:42 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors
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Hi Glen et al,
I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and 
positions if you require any.

Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the 
reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves.  My camels are not 
road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus saving the 
great expense of replacing the reflectors or the aggravation of digging 
through camel dung.  Neither do they require the NZ and California 
mandatory catalytic converters.

Roveroverthehumpedly,
Kent K.

Glen Wilson wrote:
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Glen  Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a 
>> self tapping
>> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys 
>> served
>> as  apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
>> Cheers  Patrick
> Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of 
> engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders 
> were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from 
> memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they 
> fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent 
> always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to 
> mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set.
>
> Glen
>
>



From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 12:55:47 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:55:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors
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heh heh heh?? I assumed they were screwed on. I should take mine off - the previous owner was not careful w/measuring where they should go when he redid the car..




________________________________
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 12:53:42 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors

Hi Glen et al,
I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and positions if you require any.

Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves.? My camels are not road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus saving the great expense of replacing the reflectors or the aggravation of digging through camel dung.? Neither do they require the NZ and California mandatory catalytic converters.

Roveroverthehumpedly,
Kent K.

Glen Wilson wrote:
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Glen? Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping
>> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served
>> as? apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
>> Cheers? Patrick
> Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set.
> 
> Glen
> 
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 12:59:08 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:59:08 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
	owner on Rovernet?
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Having close and recent experience with these, I can say that on both
my cars  the side reflectors are mounted using plastic badge clips,
and the chromed rear reflector housings are screwed on into tapped
bosses set into the rear wing

Other cars may differ..

Aidrian


From kkinard at att.net  Wed Mar 10 13:06:31 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:06:31 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes
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Hi Netters,

Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and 
welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear.  
Nicely done, but major surgery.  I always wondered if the rail lost much 
strength from the mod.  Maybe Garrett has a followup to that.

James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also 
be noted.  The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y 
pipe will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation.  Consideration 
here is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick 
on the trans.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Kent Kinard wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from 
> a different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking 
> pictures.  Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, 
> but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at 
> least the one I saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 
> and a stock Federal car for comparison.  Will post the results over 
> the weekend.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.



From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:40:20 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes
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Hello Rovernet,
   Everybody is commenting on Rover exhaust and the fit/shape of head pipes
on the V8 engine.  On my own car, I got talked into buying these enlarged
Range Rover manifolds from a person in England before I completely knew what
I was doing back in the late 80s!  Since I could not return them, and paid
dearly for them!?!.....I went ahead and made the cut in the frame rail on
each side so that the wider manifolds would fit.  I did the cuts because I
was removing material ahead of any point where anything related to the front
suspension attached to the car.  The pockets, one on each side, were taken
out of the boxed area at the bottom of the inward facing side of the inner
fender.
    Think about how the parts of the car are attached to the engine bay
portion of the bodyshell.  Starting just ahead of where the shocks mount to
the bodyshell, there is not really alot going on.  Cutting the pockets in
these boxed sections raises the issue of crashworthyness, and some states
probably would not allow you to do what I did to this car and pass it for a
safety inspection.  The coil springs are mounted behind, off the firewall,
behind these pockets I made.  The steering works all off the firewall.  The
engine mounts are welded to the front crossmember.  The front of this car's
bodywork provides a place to put lights, brake servo parts, finish the
aerodynamic styling lines of the car and keep water off the engine!!  Now,
if I do some brake servo work, I will drive my own red Rover
3500s this summer for the first time in alot of years!!!
Enjoy your cars!!
Garrett Bourque
GB Services Auto Restoration (alright...and customization)
98 Bunker Hill Road
Jefferson, Maine 04348
www dot gbservicesusa dot com
Specializing in restoration, repairs, modifications on Rover car, Series
Land Rover, Jaguar, many other British makes, Volvo, Porsche 356

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Netters,
>
> Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and
> welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear.
>  Nicely done, but major surgery.  I always wondered if the rail lost much
> strength from the mod.  Maybe Garrett has a followup to that.
>
> James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be
> noted.  The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe
> will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation.  Consideration here is
> shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the trans.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Kent Kinard wrote:
>
>> Hi Jamie,
>> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a
>> different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures.
>>  Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I
>> recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I
>> saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock Federal
>> car for comparison.  Will post the results over the weekend.
>>
>> Roverly,
>> Kent K.
>>
>
>
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From jaguru at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 10 13:43:30 2010
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes
In-Reply-To: <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net>
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My 3500S appears to have an original automatic type Y pipe , and has 
original 3500S exhaust manifolds, but the car was converted to an SD1 5 
speed manual gearbox. For a pedal box assembly, they used one from a 2000 TC 
James Dean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S 
"Y"pipes


> Hi Netters,
>
> Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and 
> welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear. 
> Nicely done, but major surgery.  I always wondered if the rail lost much 
> strength from the mod.  Maybe Garrett has a followup to that.
>
> James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be 
> noted.  The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe 
> will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation.  Consideration here 
> is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the 
> trans.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Kent Kinard wrote:
>> Hi Jamie,
>> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a 
>> different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures. 
>> Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I 
>> recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I 
>> saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock 
>> Federal car for comparison.  Will post the results over the weekend.
>>
>> Roverly,
>> Kent K.
>
>
> 




From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 13:45:51 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:45:51 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors
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Kent Kinard wrote:
> Hi Glen et al,
> I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and 
> positions if you require any.

It may be that cars that have been repainted have the reflectors 
reattached with modern double-sided tape. However, I have definitely had 
3500S fenders (with bumper bolt holes) that had a little hole for the 
wiring that goes to the small side light but no hole whatsoever above 
that for the larger reflector. I have seen one car that had the large 
trapezoidal reflectors mounted upside-down, by the way.

And for Kent, the Amish up here in Pennsylvania experimented with camels 
during recent dry summers. They found that the camel hoof is not suited 
to the paved roads they take their carriages out on. However, the real 
problem was that the young Amish men were racing the camels at night 
SANS REFLECTORS and causing all sorts of problems for local motorists. 
Head-mounted LED lights simply didn't cut it and the state police got 
involved (which is always a sensitive situation where the Amish are 
involved). As a result of all this, the camel market in the Philadelphia 
area is glutted, and guess what has been showing up on the menu in the 
swankier Center City restaurants. Lately PETA has been active in the 
area, not so much in response to camels becoming a trendy comestible, 
but in response to stray camels picked up wandering the streets have 
been handled by local animal control authorities. There are simply no 
facilities for dealing with such large animal, and fly-by-night camel 
disposal companies have proliferated. Recently, a barge loaded with 
fifty or sixty camels was discovered floating down the Delaware River 
and out to see, and that was what brought PETA to town. At present, no 
real solution acceptable to all parties has been worked out. We now live 
in a townhouse with a postage stamp sized back yard. We have, 
regrettably, become attached to the adolescent camel in our yard and are 
reluctant to turn him over to any of the camel sanctuaries that are 
springing up across the river in rural southern New Jersey because we 
have heard scary stories that belie the scenes show on billboards and tv 
infomercials.

At any rate, it's a real problem around here and fast becoming an 
election issue for local and even national politicians running in our 
area. The Aussie list members may be the only ones who can appreciate 
the problems cause by introduced species that get out of control.

Glen


>
> Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the 
> reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves.  My camels are 
> not road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus 
> saving the great expense of replacing the reflectors or the 
> aggravation of digging through camel dung.  Neither do they require 
> the NZ and California mandatory catalytic converters.
>
> Roveroverthehumpedly,
> Kent K.
>
> Glen Wilson wrote:
>> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>> Glen  Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a 
>>> self tapping
>>> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys 
>>> served
>>> as  apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops .
>>> Cheers  Patrick
>> Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of 
>> engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders 
>> were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from 
>> memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they 
>> fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent 
>> always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have 
>> to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>
>
>



From Pjemail at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 13:53:56 2010
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:53:56 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
	owner on R
Message-ID: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com>

I am sure that the theorising about how the side reflectors were attached  
to the front and rear wings on the 350S Auto by glue or tape is quite  
incorrect. Looking at them and looking at the Rover Parts List makes it clear  
that they were held on by friction bushes, in a similar fashion to the badges. 
 There are two thin pins on the rear surface of each reflector and these 
are a  press fit into shouldered plastic tubes which are pushed into holes 
drilled into  the wings.
 
If you replaced a damaged rear wing with a new wing, the new wing would  
come without the holes drilled. These holes, and the holes in the rear wings 
for  the rear bumper attachments would need to be drilled by the person 
fitting the  new wing. Obviously, in several cases, new wings were fitted without 
the job  having been done properly, and in some cases a repairer could not 
be bothered to  obtain a correct rear bumper. This is the explanation of why 
some cars do not  have the reflectors and/or the correct rear bumper.
 
Regards,
 
Pierre Janusz
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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 10 14:20:31 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:20:31 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
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Patrick
"yow am coddin me!"

The lingo changes even closer than that, what about Dudley!!!!!!!!!

"bostin!"

"Spake Soon"
Warmest regards
Mark

Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
Club line 01902 689975


Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, 
Donington 2008
Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the  National Restoration Show 
2006.
Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration 
Show, Donington 2007
Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca>
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover


> HI
> Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is
> still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 
> miles
> away speaks a different dialect  " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich .
> A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers
> design culture is based on a  cartoonist named Heath Robinson  whose crazy
> inventions were featured in Punch .
> Cheers
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Jamie Kitman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
>
> speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- 
> check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go,
> and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
> Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM
>> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>> Hi  OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle "
>>> That's the
>>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
>>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs
>>> properly!  Cheers  Patrick
>>
>> Ah, Patrick!  One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition
>> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle.
>>
>> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg.
>>
>> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm
>>
>> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/
>>
>> Glen
>>
>
>
>
> 




From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 15:14:44 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:14:44 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
 -	owner on R
In-Reply-To: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com>
References: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B97FDB4.7010602@comcast.net>

Pjemail at aol.com wrote:
> I am sure that the theorising about how the side reflectors were 
> attached to the front and rear wings on the 350S Auto by glue or tape 
> is quite incorrect. Looking at them and looking at the Rover Parts 
> List makes it clear that they were held on by friction bushes, in a 
> similar fashion to the badges. There are two thin pins on the rear 
> surface of each reflector and these are a press fit into shouldered 
> plastic tubes which are pushed into holes drilled into the wings.
>  
> If you replaced a damaged rear wing with a new wing, the new wing 
> would come without the holes drilled. These holes, and the holes in 
> the rear wings for the rear bumper attachments would need to be 
> drilled by the person fitting the new wing. Obviously, in several 
> cases, new wings were fitted without the job having been done 
> properly, and in some cases a repairer could not be bothered to obtain 
> a correct rear bumper. This is the explanation of why some cars do not 
> have the reflectors and/or the correct rear bumper.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Pierre Janusz

Well, I might argue with Kent on some things, but I'm not taking on 
Pierre when it comes to parts! Besides, I sometimes see things that 
aren't there. I have a distinct memory of Pierre in my own back yard 
poking at a 3500S in the flesh, as it were.

Glen
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From Pjemail at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 15:29:26 2010
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:29:26 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S -
	owner on R
Message-ID: <1f1e1.1f9c0a18.38c95b26@aol.com>

Glen's recollection of me prodding a 3500S in his back yard is certainly  
not an example of false memory syndrome. His attempt to persuade me that it 
was  just what I needed to take back with me to the UK nearly succeeded, but 
I came  to my senses when I thought about the excess baggage charge.
 
Pierre
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From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com  Wed Mar 10 16:19:03 2010
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:49:03 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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Thanks Peter, looks great and quite distinguished. So no major mechanical or electrical issues...


Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Peter Huttemeier
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 12:06 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?




>
>It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars
Meant to say "any car".

PS here is a photo of mine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/3806401686/in/set-72157623337983698/

Cheers,

Peter H





From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Wed Mar 10 16:54:36 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:54:36 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:49:03 +1030, you wrote:

>Thanks Peter, looks great and quite distinguished. So no major mechanical or electrical issues...

My car has done 130,000 ks now, and in my ownership nothing other than
normal servicing. But as I live on the East Coast of Tasmania, it only
gets good long runs, not much city driving. And traffic in Hobart can
hardly be compared to peak hour in Melbourne or Sydney!!

I had only little problem after my partner drove the car. She has
short legs, and suddenly the airbag warning light stayed on. A little
research quickly told me that it is a badly designed connector under
the driver's seat that with the seat forward often dislodges it.
Wrapping a little electrical tape, or duct tape around it solves the
problem. 

Parts are ok so far. Mechanically the 75/ZT shares the KV6 series
engine with the LR Freelander of the time. Rimmers in UK have got a
large supply from old MG Rover/Caterpillar parts.

Parts cars are starting to turn up, as many insurance companies write
pranged cars off rather than repair them.

If you want to see some discussions on the cars take a look at the UK
club's Forums:
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/
You can get some feel for any problems and solutions UK owners are
having.

Cheers,

Peter H


From den at aachenkennels.com  Wed Mar 10 18:43:58 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:43:58 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes
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I'm not into hot rod but do like the engineering that these blokes get
up to. Thinking outside the box ( scuse the pun ) what about a set of
block hugger manifolds. This company in UK do them.
(http://www.popbrowns.co.uk/ ). If they can get a Rover to work in a E93
Ford then I'm sure they'll have something for your P5. Get them coated
in black I think they would look the dogs.  Good site to surf around
anyway. 

 

Just bought a set of Pistons from JP for 46 Rover special. Good old
fashion service at a good old fashion price. Even some of the old Rover
Guru's in the UK use them.

 

Den Gallacher

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of garrett bourque
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 2:40 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S
"Y"pipes

 

Hello Rovernet,

   Everybody is commenting on Rover exhaust and the fit/shape of head
pipes on the V8 engine.  On my own car, I got talked into buying these
enlarged Range Rover manifolds from a person in England before I
completely knew what I was doing back in the late 80s!  Since I could
not return them, and paid dearly for them!?!.....I went ahead and made
the cut in the frame rail on each side so that the wider manifolds would
fit.  I did the cuts because I was removing material ahead of any point
where anything related to the front suspension attached to the car.  The
pockets, one on each side, were taken out of the boxed area at the
bottom of the inward facing side of the inner fender.  

    Think about how the parts of the car are attached to the engine bay
portion of the bodyshell.  Starting just ahead of where the shocks mount
to the bodyshell, there is not really alot going on.  Cutting the
pockets in these boxed sections raises the issue of crashworthyness, and
some states probably would not allow you to do what I did to this car
and pass it for a safety inspection.  The coil springs are mounted
behind, off the firewall, behind these pockets I made.  The steering
works all off the firewall.  The engine mounts are welded to the front
crossmember.  The front of this car's bodywork provides a place to put
lights, brake servo parts, finish the aerodynamic styling lines of the
car and keep water off the engine!!  Now, if I do some brake servo work,
I will drive my own red Rover 3500s this summer for the first time in
alot of years!!!

Enjoy your cars!!

Garrett Bourque

GB Services Auto Restoration (alright...and customization)

98 Bunker Hill Road

Jefferson, Maine 04348

www dot gbservicesusa dot com

Specializing in restoration, repairs, modifications on Rover car, Series
Land Rover, Jaguar, many other British makes, Volvo, Porsche 356

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

Hi Netters,

Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and
welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear.
Nicely done, but major surgery.  I always wondered if the rail lost much
strength from the mod.  Maybe Garrett has a followup to that.

James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also
be noted.  The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y
pipe will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation.  Consideration
here is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick
on the trans.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Kent Kinard wrote:

Hi Jamie,
I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a
different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures.
Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I
recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one
I saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock
Federal car for comparison.  Will post the results over the weekend.

Roverly,
Kent K.

 

 

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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 20:00:05 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust
	order [was 200TC Pistons]
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Hi Steve,
    My money situation is getting a little better.  I will contact you in a
few days to get my order in for the two rear sections, for 72 to 76 V8 cars
as you told me before.  What would be great is what you called big bore, but
the original hangers and route under the car.  Do you know the pipe diameter
on them by chance?
Thanks,
Garrett

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>wrote:

>
> Jamie,
>
> Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel
> exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within the
> next week or two.  We currently have several Rover people participating and
> have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of different Rover models,
> and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or container to Fitchburg,
> Massachusetts.
>
> Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that there
> are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems:  1) small bore for 1968 - 74 automatic
> cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for manual (UK
> 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a single pipe
> further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars (this has the
> same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic system.)  It also matters
> which manifolds you have -- those off the original NADA 3500S have a smaller
> exit opening, where as those off the UK 3500S manual car have a larger
> opening.  (I don't know if later SD1 or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but
> that would add another layer of possibilities.)
>
> I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your car,
> but hopefully someone else can confirm.
> If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust order,
> I can send more details off-line.  We have negotiated some good prices, and
> the exchange rate has been more favorable lately...
>
> --Steve Manwell
>
>
> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
>
>> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system
>> that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 manual
>> five-speed box?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie Kitman
>> Nyack, NY
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net>
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I have a set of brand new   20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC.
>> Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are
>> interested
>> . I don't want to break the set.
>>
>> Dermot Harvey
>> Spectral Kinetics
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 20:04:21 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:04:21 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S
 -	owner on R
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Pjemail at aol.com wrote:
> Glen's recollection of me prodding a 3500S in his back yard is 
> certainly not an example of false memory syndrome. His attempt to 
> persuade me that it was just what I needed to take back with me to the 
> UK nearly succeeded, but I came to my senses when I thought about the 
> excess baggage charge.
>  
> Pierre
The truth of the matter was that Pierre was somewhat appalled that I had 
paid $500 just to keep it from the crusher and considered it a parts 
car. I could see the wheels turning in Pierre's head as mad bonnet 
louver disease manifested itself in his European brain. After a few 
minutes and some mental calculations, the fever seemed to pass. 
Afterward, we went to my basement and Pierre rattled of part numbers and 
applications for a vanload of P3 and P4 parts that I had brought home 
from the cellar of a burned out house in Ohio.

Pierre is certainly one of the nicest and most knowledgeable Rover 
people we have met, and that's already a pretty nice subset of humanity.

Glen
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 20:16:45 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:16:45 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust
 order [was 200TC Pistons]
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my car appears to have its original 3500S NADA exhaust manifolds. if 
it's true that the 72-76 manual UK system will work, i'd be up for one 
of these stainless systems, though i'd been told (by someone who was 
admittedly just guessing) that the original 4-speed manual transmission 
on UK 3500S's might be narrower than the 5-speed LT77 fitted to my car, 
causing potential clearance problems (and now someone has raised the 
possibility of overheating the clutch slave.) perhaps some of them there 
english fellers know the answer.

jamie


--- Original Message ---
From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless 
exhaust    order [was 200TC Pistons]
Date: 3/10/10 8:00 PM
> Hi Steve,
>     My money situation is getting a little better.  I will contact you in a
> few days to get my order in for the two rear sections, for 72 to 76 V8 cars
> as you told me before.  What would be great is what you called big bore, but
> the original hangers and route under the car.  Do you know the pipe diameter
> on them by chance?
> Thanks,
> Garrett
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>wrote:
>
>   
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel
>> exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within the
>> next week or two.  We currently have several Rover people participating and
>> have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of different Rover models,
>> and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or container to Fitchburg,
>> Massachusetts.
>>
>> Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that there
>> are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems:  1) small bore for 1968 - 74 automatic
>> cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for manual (UK
>> 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a single pipe
>> further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars (this has the
>> same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic system.)  It also matters
>> which manifolds you have -- those off the original NADA 3500S have a smaller
>> exit opening, where as those off the UK 3500S manual car have a larger
>> opening.  (I don't know if later SD1 or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but
>> that would add another layer of possibilities.)
>>
>> I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your car,
>> but hopefully someone else can confirm.
>> If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust order,
>> I can send more details off-line.  We have negotiated some good prices, and
>> the exchange rate has been more favorable lately...
>>
>> --Steve Manwell
>>
>>
>> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system
>>> that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 manual
>>> five-speed box?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie Kitman
>>> Nyack, NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net>
>>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>>> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I have a set of brand new   20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC.
>>> Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are
>>> interested
>>> . I don't want to break the set.
>>>
>>> Dermot Harvey
>>> Spectral Kinetics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>
>   



From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 20:42:46 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:42:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving rear P6 calipers- Sierra
	Specialty Automotive
Message-ID: <397338.23426.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I don't recall which Rovernetter recommended Sierra Specialty Automotive / Brakecylinder.com (Roland?) but I received my brass sleeved caliper bodies back today and am quite happy with the work. Mind you, I have not installed them yet and tested them under pressure! It cost $70 USD per rear caliper, with free return shipping and turnaround time was almost exactly a month. 

Pictures for the curious: 

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii66/earlhamp6/Rover%20P6/RoverCal.jpg


Cheers,

Nathan 


      


From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 21:13:29 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:13:29 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes
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>Thinking outside the box ( scuse the pun ) what about a set of block
> hugger manifolds. > ).

I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise
than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound
effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not
sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably
won't get replaced anytime soon

The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is
abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is
so close to the exhaust;  cast manifolds  run a good bit cooler than
fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but
looks awful

Aidrian


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 21:47:19 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:47:19 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto
	boxes?
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	<204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com>
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Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise
> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound
> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not
> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably
> won't get replaced anytime soon
>
> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is
> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is
> so close to the exhaust;  cast manifolds  run a good bit cooler than
> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but
> looks awful
>
> Aidrian
>   
The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've 
always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard 
concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you 
are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character 
of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right.

Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would 
revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. 
Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car 
would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve.

So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the 
belhousing, I hope...

Glen


From phing at videotron.ca  Wed Mar 10 22:43:46 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
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	<B8FFEEA3EDFC44D486F1D807DFD42794@SN037535920331>
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Mark 
 " Allo ower kid then .Worrer abart Duglee?They doe talk proper theer  Me
Mam went off to Dudley markit , er wer never sin agin!Er probably tumbled
uver Ocker Bonk 
Tarar abit then mate " 
Cheers 
 Patrick  formerly of the western edge of the Black Country 
For Glen or any one harboring PC tendencies This is not a racist remark . It
is the  politically and anthropologically correct  terminology for the area
which gave birth to the Industrial Revolution and Blake's " Dark Satanic
mills" 


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:21 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover

Patrick
"yow am coddin me!"

The lingo changes even closer than that, what about Dudley!!!!!!!!!

"bostin!"

"Spake Soon"
Warmest regards
Mark

Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
Club line 01902 689975


Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, 
Donington 2008
Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the  National Restoration Show 
2006.
Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration 
Show, Donington 2007
Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca>
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover


> HI
> Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is
> still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 
> miles
> away speaks a different dialect  " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich .
> A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers
> design culture is based on a  cartoonist named Heath Robinson  whose crazy
> inventions were featured in Punch .
> Cheers
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Jamie Kitman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
>
> speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- 
> check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go,
> and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover
> Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM
>> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>> Hi  OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle "
>>> That's the
>>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald
>>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs
>>> properly!  Cheers  Patrick
>>
>> Ah, Patrick!  One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition
>> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle.
>>
>> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg.
>>
>> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm
>>
>> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/
>>
>> Glen
>>
>
>
>
> 






From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 23:24:41 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:24:41 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern
	auto boxes?
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Well the ZF 4 speed has been discussed a couple of times here and in
several other places on the steam Internet.

Why it's not discussed more here may be due to the slightly more North
American tone to this list and a probable shortage of Leyland Sherpa
vans and ambulances or pre 89 jaguars as donors for the cable
controlled 2wd ZF autobox on the left hand side of the water.

Since the roadworthy number 2  car came with a Supra 5 speed already
fitted haven't felt the need to  make any changes, but I do have a 4wd
tranny and bellhousing from a Range Rover which I have roughly test
fitted to the number 1 car - the BW35 was thoroughly dead,before I got
it so I'm looking for an opportunity to make some improvements.
There still remains the problem of mating this to a 2wd tail housing;
progress is stalled while I try to make number 2 car presentable and
ecide what to do with the engine  - a (possibly injected)  4.6 and ZF
4 HP24 or 22  looks a nice spec on paper, and those few  that have
done it say it is a Very Good Thing

GM boxes seem to be the preserve of those dedicated to doing
unspeakable things to MGBs - the Rover's transmission tunnel is a very
tight fit for the ZF 4 speed and  I think the GM boxes are larger
still so that probably means modifications to the tunnel and carpets.

Now if you want to use a modern electronic controlled box you also
need the ECM for the gearbox or an aftermarket unit; neither are
likely to be especially cheap and as many Rover owners seem  to be
about as cheap ^H^H^H^H ...ah... frugal as Alfa owners and that may be
the real reason the subject doesn't come up very often

> Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would
> revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion.
> Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car
> would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve.
>
> So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing,
> I hope...


From vern at inkspotco.com  Wed Mar 10 23:49:46 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:49:46 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern
	auto boxes?
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Just a wrap on a header, if it's going to get wet, is damaging. That said, lagging (the official name for it) can be done effectively, but it costs money. The two approaches are have the header coated first (this can often provide some heat relief as well) or make a solid shield on the outside of the lagging so moisture can't get in (or both).

On 2010-03-10, at 6:47 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:

> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
>> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise
>> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound
>> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not
>> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably
>> won't get replaced anytime soon
>> 
>> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is
>> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is
>> so close to the exhaust;  cast manifolds  run a good bit cooler than
>> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but
>> looks awful
>> 
>> Aidrian
>>  
> The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right.
> 
> Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve.
> 
> So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, I hope...
> 
> Glen
> 

Inkspot Type & Design	250 864 5619	in at inkspotco.com






From den at aachenkennels.com  Wed Mar 10 23:52:42 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:52:42 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust
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Can you get ceramic coating done where you live. Not had it done myself
however I have spoke to a few who have. From what they say beats
wrapping for heat and noise reduction, looks better too. 

Many of the old car restorers I've spoken to are turning to ceramic
coating instead of stove enamelling. I will look at ceramic coating
further when it's time to make up the manifold for the special.

Not sure I would stay with the old cast manifold though, I'm not into
originality to that extent and never heard of any benefit over
extractors except for cost for the factory.

 I am into retro fitting cars, there is a good magazine from the UK with
that name ' Retro Cars' so stand by for a TVR/Rover power 47 P2 sports.
My aim is to keep it all original until  you lift the
bonnet.....(smile). Actually at first I was going to rob a P6B of its
running gear and put it in the P2 just a simple none modified 3.5. Now
I'm a bit more adventures.


Between now and then there will have to be a whole lot of washing
up.....!

Den.


From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 11 06:27:15 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:27:15 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education'
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Hi Folks
            An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if only to 
see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included.
                                                     Ben.




*************
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then
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From mark.brown.rover at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 07:40:26 2010
From: mark.brown.rover at gmail.com (Mark Brown)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education'
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My wife and I saw the preview for that recently, and I immediately  
commented, "Bunch of nice cars in that!" :-)

Cheers,
Mark Brown



On 11-Mar-10, at 7:27 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote:

> Hi Folks
>           An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if  
> only to see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included.
>                                                    Ben.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,  HMS  
> Ganges, Royal Navy?
> then
> Visit our website and blog at
> www.irishroversbooks.com
>



From magnet at roverclub.org  Thu Mar 11 08:07:49 2010
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:07:49 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Autobox upgrades?
In-Reply-To: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net>
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I'd be very keen on hearing more about this -- the BW35 isn't exactly a 
refined box, with its various thumps going up and down through the 
range.  What are the issues with fitting a ZF box from a Range Rover?   
So far, these appear to be:

1. The need for a 2WD rear housing to replace the transfer box -- 
Sherpa, BMW, Jaguar as possible sources (?)
2. Some way to correct the speedometer (someone once mentioned a company 
who make a motor-driven speedo with an inductive pickup on the prop shaft).
3. Possible clearance problems with the stock exhaust system.
4. Need to fabricate new rear transmission mounting.
5. Prop shaft length?
6. Need to do a bit of custom engineering on the selector -- and if you 
want to use the original handle and index-plate you would probably have 
to do without the "1" position.
7. Any problems with clearance for the filler tube?

Does anyone know of any others?

Has anyone on the list dealt with these issues?

The ZF box has the benefit of an inbuilt overdrive in top, which would 
provide more relaxed high speed cruising.  It also is quite smooth when 
new, and not too bad when old -- the one in my RR has over 300 km on 
it.  It also seems to be reasonably reliable.  I had to replace the 
three governor seals at about 250,000 km, but apart from this, no problems.

On the other hand, such a transplant looks like a fair sized job -- I'd 
be prepared to live with the Type 35 if I could find a really smooth 
one.  Has anyone on the list any experience with one that does NOT give 
out  "thump" as it drops back into 1st upon coming to rest ;-)

Cheers,

 -- Bill Daddis

 

Glen Wilson wrote:
> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
>> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise
>> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound
>> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not
>> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably
>> won't get replaced anytime soon
>>
>> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is
>> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is
>> so close to the exhaust;  cast manifolds  run a good bit cooler than
>> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but
>> looks awful
>>
>> Aidrian
>>   
> The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what 
> I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard 
> concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you 
> are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the 
> character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right.
>
> Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would 
> revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. 
> Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the 
> car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve.
>
> So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the 
> belhousing, I hope...
>
> Glen
>
>



From kkinard at att.net  Thu Mar 11 09:16:36 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:16:36 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Autobox upgrades?
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Magnet wrote:
> I'd be very keen on hearing more about this -- the BW35 isn't exactly 
> a refined box, with its various thumps going up and down through the 
> range.  What are the issues with fitting a ZF box from a Range 
> Rover?   So far, these appear to be:
>
> 1. The need for a 2WD rear housing to replace the transfer box -- 
> Sherpa, BMW, Jaguar as possible sources (?)
The 2wd output housings/tail housing extensions (BMW, Sherpa, Jaguar, 
and Volvo) are all a simple bolt up.  No internal mods required.  Hard 
to believe, but true.
> 2. Some way to correct the speedometer (someone once mentioned a 
> company who make a motor-driven speedo with an inductive pickup on the 
> prop shaft).
Step up/step down gearboxes are available from your local speedo shop 
for the cable drive versions.
> 3. Possible clearance problems with the stock exhaust system.
You can count on it.
> 4. Need to fabricate new rear transmission mounting.
Too bad the the RR/Sherpa bellhousing is clocked a few degrees off as 
the BMW tailhousing would just bolt up to the SD1 auto rear mounting.  
That still leaves you with the problem of an output flange adapter.  
Jaguar output flange is a direct bolt up for SD1's and a matter of 
redrilling two holes on the flange to fit P6B prop shaft.
> 5. Prop shaft length?
All require the prop shaft to be shortened (and reballanced).
> 6. Need to do a bit of custom engineering on the selector -- and if 
> you want to use the original handle and index-plate you would probably 
> have to do without the "1" position.
> 7. Any problems with clearance for the filler tube?
Unknown to me.

The transmission pan and filter must be modified because of shape and 
depth.  Done by using a 4wd or Sherpa pan and mating it to a 2wd pan so 
that the bottom is flat.  This is necessary again because the 
bellhousing is clocked.  Otherwise a 2wd pan and filter would bolt up.

Uese of a Jaguar bellhousing which mounts the trans straight up 
eliminates the need for pan mods, but requires the use of an adapter 
plate between the engine and bellhousing.  This has been done enough 
times in the UK that someone must have a pattern for this adapter plate.????

I cannot believe this trans would fit an unmodified P6B 
floorpan/firewall, especially at the rear.  Some mods are required for 
even SD1's and P5B's, though not much.  ZF22/24HP conversion 
installations in these cars are more common.

I still like the GM route better (TH200-4R, TH700R4).  At least one 
individual in Oz has done this, I understand.  Plate adapters to fit 
both GM bellhousing patterns (BOP and Chev.) are available in the US in 
either steel or aluminium.  The transmissions are cheaper both to 
purchase and to rebuild here and the expertise is widespread.  High 
performance component are readily available.  There are fewer clearance 
problems with the floorpan and the TH200-4R is quite narrow, resolving 
some exhaust routing issues.  D&D makes a very narrow adapter that 
mounts to the small bellhousing TH700R4 (used in 4 cyl. and 6 cyl. 
trucks and Camero /Firebirds)for use in MGB conversions, but it is very 
expensive and requires a gear reduction starter.  It would give the best 
firewall clearance, but is significantly thicker and thus longer.

I have threatened to do this conversion for fifteen years.  I now have a 
rebuilt Chev. Th700-R4 and the adapter plate so I'm getting close.  When 
the assembly of the engine/trans is complete, I will trial fit it in 
SD1/P5B and P6B and take pics top and bottom.  Then I will write THE 
book.  By then no one will care.

Just a note.  The TH700-R4 has a very low first gear.  I have used the 
GM TH400 three speed, no OD, in my SD1's with good success.

I think Glen baited me into this long dissertation knowing it is one of 
my favorite topics over the years.  He's heard it all before and knew 
all the answers before he asked.  At least this way it will be easier to 
find in the archives.  Some folks have used the AW70/71 trans, but 
that's a subject for a different day.

Rovermaticly,
Kent K.





From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 11 11:17:21 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education'
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hi Mark
           The car with the leading role was a very nice and very rare 
Bristol 4 door sedan.
                                  Ben  (irishrover)
*************
Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,  HMS Ganges, 
Royal Navy?
then
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 12:27:43 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education'
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Hello Rovernet,
   I have a variety of Rover 3 litre accessories available.
1. In dash tool tray/ drawer for a Rover 3 litre. The vinal cover on the
tray's edge is in nice condition.  Inside the foam is well preserved.   It
has a bottle of grey touch up paint, and includes the following tools:
chrome tire gauge with Rover logo engraved, 3 open end wrenches superslim
brand, Rover paint bottle, King Dick adjustable wrench in very nice shape as
it looks to have never been used, jack handle rod, grease gun with turquoise
paint and red end plug, pliars.  There is little water damage and original
finish on wrenches. The tray has 2 open bays, one for the second color paint
on a 2 tone car, and bay is for missing spark plug sockets and possibly
a screwdriver. Price $160 obo.

2.     A Rover 3 litre literature pack for Mark 1A models.  This is designed
to be kept in the car and booklets measure 5.5 inches by 8 inches.  The
following booklets come in the original snapped clear plastic envelope, in
good condition.  Price $60 obo.
   A.   There is a driver's manual with blue cover part number 4398, dated
Sept. 61.  There is a fold out lube chart still stapled in the center that
looks like it has never been unfolded!. Cover's plastic is delaminated and
there are a few notes written inside covers, but a good to fair cond.
piece.
    B   Also included is "Free Service Certificates and Maintainance
Schedules" booklet.  This also has the thin plastic peeling from the cover,
slightly dampness wrinkled pages but no pages ever stuck together. Part
number 4408, dated Oct. 61.
    C.  The dealership guide booklet is in good shape and is the 12th
edition, dated April 1964.
    D. Lastly, there is a white paper leaflet with red printing denoting
Rover 3L MK1a and the 3 book titled above as contents.  Complete pack number
listed on this sheet is 4411.  This sheet is intended to be visable through
the plastic envelope that is included.  This literature pack or the tool
tray would be a nice addition to a rare car if yours are missing!
Thankyou!
Contact me off Rovernet for further details, interest or questions.
Garrett Bourque
GB Services Auto Restoration
98 Bunker Hill Road
Jefferson, Maine 04348 USA
207 549 5345
gbbourque at gmail dot com

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM, BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>wrote:

> hi Mark
>          The car with the leading role was a very nice and very rare
> Bristol 4 door sedan.
>                                 Ben  (irishrover)
> *************
> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,  HMS Ganges,
> Royal Navy?
> then
> Visit our website and blog at
> www.irishroversbooks.com
>
>
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From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net  Thu Mar 11 12:39:42 2010
From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust
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I'd like to mention there are thermal barrier coatings that can be applied
DIY.  The company is called Tech Line Coatings and they offer a variety of
products some of which must be baked and some of which cure in place during
initial running.  I have to mention that their website
http://www.techlinecoatings.com/hi-performance/index.html is not very clear
regarding the differences between the products... at least I found it
confusing and had to email for clarification.  

I have two bottles of their products sitting on the workbench, one in satin
black for the Audi turbo exhaust manifold (by Dialynx) and the other in
'shiny aluminum' for the polished OE intake manifold.  Both are thermal
barrier in nature and are advertised to reduce temperatures by perhaps two
hundred degrees off of the EM and help insulate the IM from under hood
temperatures and keep the intake charge cooler.  The Audi has several heat
shields to protect things from the radiant heat of the turbo, EM and
downtube and I will spray these shields for extra protection.  I've not used
the coatings yet because they must be sprayed above 70degF and the weather
has yet to cooperate so far this season.  As such I cannot comment on the
ease or success of either the application or the effectiveness of the
products... more to follow.  

The items to be coated must be grit blasted... not glass beads... to open
the surface for better adhesion and then cleaned with acetone or lacquer
thinner before spraying.  There are YouTube videos of the process that can
be found on the web site.  

Would be easy to fabricate then coat a heat shield to protect the P6B master
cylinder from EM heat... perhaps even coat the master cylinder itself.  

Regards,
Gross Scruggs
Annapolis MD





From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com  Thu Mar 11 21:38:08 2010
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:08:08 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern
 auto	boxes?
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I have had mine wrapped for years on the 4.6 SD1. No detrimental effects thus far, but then the climate here is quite dry.

Wrapping makes the engine bay much cooler and a little quieter. Keeping the hot exhaust gases in the pipes and allowing cooler air to be drawn into the motor equates to more torque. The SD1 exhaust is pretty restrictive as standard, although the UK cars were better than the Australian versions. Best swap if you want to stay with cast iron is 1995-98 Land Rover Discovery "headers" which are widely acknowledged to be quite efficient.

I junked all the standard SD1 exhaust and fitted a pair of locally made Outlaw 4-2-1 headers (we call them extractors) and a 3 inch single exhaust exiting via a Supercat straight through muffler and a Ford BM30 rear silencer tucked up high under the rear floor.

Sounds like a TVR - pure growl.....which may not be ideal for a stately P6 but gives the SD1 some real presence (quite a distnctive sound from all the Ford and Holden V8s around here).

Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 1:17 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes?

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise
> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound
> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not
> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably
> won't get replaced anytime soon
>
> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is
> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is
> so close to the exhaust;  cast manifolds  run a good bit cooler than
> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but
> looks awful
>
> Aidrian
>
The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right.

Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion.
Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve.

So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, I hope...

Glen





From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Mar 11 22:18:44 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
In-Reply-To: <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net>
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this in from ian at rover classics in the uk, who have an interest in 
NADA P6Bs.  jamie kitman


Hi jamie,
          no stock options work. What I and most people do in this situation
is buy the 3500's downpipe if you have put larger exhaust manifolds on and
cut and extend the downpipe, or if you still have the smaller ones again the
same sort of principal.

             ian



--- Original Message ---
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time
Date: 3/10/10 12:36 PM
> Hi Jamie,
> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from 
> a different angle.  I will be doing some measuring and taking 
> pictures.  Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, 
> but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at 
> least the one I saw did).  I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 
> and a stock Federal car for comparison.  Will post the results over 
> the weekend.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Jamie Kitman wrote:
>> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one 
>> response:
>>
>> anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work 
>> with a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> jamie kitman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Thu Mar 11 23:18:55 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6 BW35
	speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable?
Message-ID: <144E1460DE2E4A0180663ACD17294890@Vista>




From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 12 20:09:36 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Whats the Difference between a P6 BW35
	and an early P6B BW35 cable.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1268413208.30167.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.5.1268413208.30167.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100
> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> To: "Rover" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6
> BW35 speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable?
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http://www.speedograph-richfield.com/html/rover.html

 

Looks like the listing for the threethousand five (the early name for the 3500) and the 2000 automatic is the same number, 

0722-31. 

 

If your outer cable is original, then it is best to get the inner cable made, from a sample of the old one. That way you still have the extension for doing it up on the back of the speedo, and secondly you do not have to take the old out cable out. Most of the replacement cable do not have an extension on the nut. Also the are not alway exactly the same length.

 

Check you speedo and angle drive before you replace your cable. Otherwise you may just break the new cable.

 

James.
 		 	   		  
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From kkinard at att.net  Fri Mar 12 20:11:08 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results
In-Reply-To: <4B99B294.6040308@aol.com>
References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com>	<982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com>	<4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com>	<4B97D89F.9010908@att.net>
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Hi Netters,
I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon

1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a 
full "S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper.  This includes the "S" 
type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer 
section and rear silencer section in stainless.  The middle and rear 
sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y."

2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock.

Observations:
1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same.  Surprise to me.

2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front 
prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the 
crossmember on which the torque tube mounts.  The pipe ahead of the 
first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal 
system does not do so noticably.  This is not enough to clear the pan on 
the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car.  If 
the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the 
branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced 
(filter change).

3)  The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts 
as the small diameter system.  No reason not to fit the late, large 
diameter system to any P6B, except for originality.

Conclusions:
1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic 
"Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange.  It 
may, in fact, be a bolt up.  I could say for sure if I had some "small 
mouth" manifolds loose on the floor.
2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system.  More 
working space and better clearance around the clutch slave.  But as Ian 
suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe  would 
allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance 
around the clutch slave cylinder.  It would solve  James Dean's 
clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system 
wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system.
3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some 
careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission 
pan.  It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any 
automatic because of potential servicing problems.
4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well 
change the rear main oil seal...yuch!

I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what 
exhaust systems to order.  I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car 
had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new.

Roverly,
Kent K.


From ilcommodor at aol.com  Fri Mar 12 20:39:42 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:39:42 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination
	results
In-Reply-To: <4B9AE62C.90008@att.net>
References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com>	<982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com>	<4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com>	<4B97D89F.9010908@att.net><4B99B294.6040308@aol.com><4B9AE62C.90008@att.net>
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Thank you, Kent.

Jamie Kitman
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results

Hi Netters,
I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon

1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a 
full "S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper.  This includes the "S" 
type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer 
section and rear silencer section in stainless.  The middle and rear 
sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y."

2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock.

Observations:
1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same.  Surprise to me.

2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front 
prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the 
crossmember on which the torque tube mounts.  The pipe ahead of the 
first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal 
system does not do so noticably.  This is not enough to clear the pan on 
the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car.  If 
the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the 
branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced 
(filter change).

3)  The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts 
as the small diameter system.  No reason not to fit the late, large 
diameter system to any P6B, except for originality.

Conclusions:
1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic 
"Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange.  It 
may, in fact, be a bolt up.  I could say for sure if I had some "small 
mouth" manifolds loose on the floor.
2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system.  More 
working space and better clearance around the clutch slave.  But as Ian 
suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe  would 
allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance 
around the clutch slave cylinder.  It would solve  James Dean's 
clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system 
wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system.
3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some 
careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission 
pan.  It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any 
automatic because of potential servicing problems.
4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well 
change the rear main oil seal...yuch!

I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what 
exhaust systems to order.  I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car 
had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new.

Roverly,
Kent K.


From rovercar at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 01:08:14 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
In-Reply-To: <982f148d1003110927r7111a637k30a2385383bd2102@mail.gmail.com>
References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>	<8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>	<4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu>	<982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com>	<4B98447D.8070400@aol.com>	<BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl>	<478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP438183909C51EF01393FF395320@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <4B9B2BCE.7020409@comcast.net>

Another of my favorite subjects...

So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 
2000TC?

Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the 
Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up 
where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the 
closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the 
Ford Ranger pickup.

I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that 
you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my 
memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine 
bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done.

Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 
old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of 
hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with 
the best pump fuel commonly available today.  In other words, how much 
2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC 
gets today adjusted for the current fuels?

Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in.

Glen


From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 02:27:34 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
In-Reply-To: <4B9B2BCE.7020409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Glen, 

How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps 

Another of my favorite subjects... 

So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 
2000TC? 

Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the 
Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up 
where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the 
closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the 
Ford Ranger pickup. 

I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that 
you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my 
memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine 
bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. 

Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 
old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of 
hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with 
the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 
2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC 
gets today adjusted for the current fuels? 

Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. 

Glen 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 02:44:31 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
In-Reply-To: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B9B425F.1060406@comcast.net>

slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
> Glen,
>
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, 
> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC.
>
> Slats
Glen,

The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would 
not be too peppy in such a big car, don't you?

"Nissan had a long relationship with BMC."  Did you used to own a BMC P6?

Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. 
How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them?

Glen





> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
>
> Another of my favorite subjects...
>
> So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a
> 2000TC?
>
> Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the
> Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up
> where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the
> closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the
> Ford Ranger pickup.
>
> I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that
> you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my
> memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine
> bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done.
>
> Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100
> old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of
> hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with
> the best pump fuel commonly available today.  In other words, how much
> 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC
> gets today adjusted for the current fuels?
>
> Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in.
>
> Glen
>

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From dirk at vy-tek.com  Sat Mar 13 07:26:24 2010
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:26:24 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.198.1268466265.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2>

 

Hello All and Glen,

I assume that the idea of swapping an engine  in a TC is fodder as the best
choice is the engine that came in the car originally. However a common
retrofit in the UK for Sprites is the Rover K series 4 cylinder engine which
was also found in the Freelander and the Lotus Elise for a few years. The
Freelander went over to a 6 cylinder version later. The hype about blown
head gaskets is just that for later engines and good aftermarket support is
available for the engine. With a relatively small amount of money you can
have a light weight 200 HP engine and with a bell housing adapter bolt it up
to the original transmission Or use a 5 speed from a number of other cars or
one from later Rovers.

Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans for
RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to
show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
(joking)  www.RoverAmerica.com

My 2 cents
Dirk


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Today's Topics:

   1. Whats the Difference between a P6 BW35	and an early P6B BW35
      cable. (James Radcliffe)
   2. P6B Exhaust System - examination results (Kent Kinard)
   3. Re: P6B Exhaust System - examination	results (ilcommodor at aol.com)
   4. 2000TC engine swaps (Glen Wilson)
   5. Re: 2000TC engine swaps (slatskars at comcast.net)
   6. Re: 2000TC engine swaps (Glen Wilson)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:09:36 -0500
From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Whats the Difference between a P6
	BW35	and an early P6B BW35 cable.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



 
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100
> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> To: "Rover" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6
> BW35 speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable?
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http://www.speedograph-richfield.com/html/rover.html

 

Looks like the listing for the threethousand five (the early name for the
3500) and the 2000 automatic is the same number, 

0722-31. 

 

If your outer cable is original, then it is best to get the inner cable
made, from a sample of the old one. That way you still have the extension
for doing it up on the back of the speedo, and secondly you do not have to
take the old out cable out. Most of the replacement cable do not have an
extension on the nut. Also the are not alway exactly the same length.

 

Check you speedo and angle drive before you replace your cable. Otherwise
you may just break the new cable.

 

James.
 		 	   		  
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 -0600
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination
	results
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Netters,
I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon

1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a full
"S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper.  This includes the "S" 
type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer
section and rear silencer section in stainless.  The middle and rear
sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y."

2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock.

Observations:
1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same.  Surprise to me.

2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop
shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember
on which the torque tube mounts.  The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks
up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so
noticably.  This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type
"Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car.  If the "y" were dropped further
to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to
allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change).

3)  The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as
the small diameter system.  No reason not to fit the late, large diameter
system to any P6B, except for originality.

Conclusions:
1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y"
pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange.  It may, in
fact, be a bolt up.  I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth"
manifolds loose on the floor.
2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system.  More working
space and better clearance around the clutch slave.  But as Ian suggests,
welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe  would allow the
stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the
clutch slave cylinder.  It would solve  James Dean's clearance problem on
his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the
ground than the stock "S" system.
3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some
careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan.
It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic
because of potential servicing problems.
4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change
the rear main oil seal...yuch!

I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust
systems to order.  I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the
large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new.

Roverly,
Kent K.



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:39:42 +0000
From: ilcommodor at aol.com
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System -
	examination	results
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Content-Type: text/plain

Thank you, Kent.

Jamie Kitman
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results

Hi Netters,
I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon

1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a full
"S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper.  This includes the "S" 
type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer
section and rear silencer section in stainless.  The middle and rear
sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y."

2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock.

Observations:
1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same.  Surprise to me.

2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop
shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember
on which the torque tube mounts.  The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks
up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so
noticably.  This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type
"Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car.  If the "y" were dropped further
to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to
allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change).

3)  The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as
the small diameter system.  No reason not to fit the late, large diameter
system to any P6B, except for originality.

Conclusions:
1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y"
pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange.  It may, in
fact, be a bolt up.  I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth"
manifolds loose on the floor.
2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system.  More working
space and better clearance around the clutch slave.  But as Ian suggests,
welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe  would allow the
stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the
clutch slave cylinder.  It would solve  James Dean's clearance problem on
his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the
ground than the stock "S" system.
3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some
careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan.
It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic
because of potential servicing problems.
4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change
the rear main oil seal...yuch!

I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust
systems to order.  I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the
large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new.

Roverly,
Kent K.


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:08:14 -0500
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
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Another of my favorite subjects...

So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a
2000TC?

Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda
Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it
should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we
had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup.

I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you
couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory
correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I
have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done.

Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme
octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do
you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump
fuel commonly available today.  In other words, how much 2010 horsepower
would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted
for the current fuels?

Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in.

Glen



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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: slatskars at comcast.net
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	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
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Glen, 

How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear wheel
drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, go with the
Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. 

Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps 

Another of my favorite subjects... 

So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a
2000TC? 

Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda
Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it
should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we
had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup. 

I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you
couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory
correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I
have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. 

Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme
octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do
you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump
fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 2010 horsepower
would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted
for the current fuels? 

Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. 

Glen 

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:44:31 -0500
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
> Glen,
>
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, 
> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC.
>
> Slats
Glen,

The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would not
be too peppy in such a big car, don't you?

"Nissan had a long relationship with BMC."  Did you used to own a BMC P6?

Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. 
How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them?

Glen





> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." 
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
>
> Another of my favorite subjects...
>
> So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 
> 2000TC?
>
> Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the 
> Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up 
> where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the 
> closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the 
> Ford Ranger pickup.
>
> I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so 
> that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. 
> Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB 
> engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully
done.
>
> Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 
> old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort 
> of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on 
> with the best pump fuel commonly available today.  In other words, how 
> much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely 
> done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels?
>
> Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in.
>
> Glen
>

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 08:13:43 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:13:43 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2>
References: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2>
Message-ID: <4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net>

Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans for
> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to
> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
> (joking)  www.RoverAmerica.com
>
> My 2 cents
> Dirk
>   

When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in Hawaii. 
You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say nothing of 
Massachusetts!  If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The 
next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a 
chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something with a lot 
of fruit and little umbrellas in it.

No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do.

Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
one will never hold it against him.

He's suffered enough.

God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, as 
well.

;-)

Glen


From kkinard at att.net  Sat Mar 13 08:53:16 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net>
References: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2>
	<4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net>

Hi All,
Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle.
Why put something different in a TC?  Power? Ease of service?  Auto 
trans to make city driving easier? Five speeed to make country driving 
more fun?  Economy?  You've got to have an idea what you want to accomplish.

If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be to drive it to 
RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have everyone scratch their heads.  
For ease of service and variety of transmissions, an aluminum block 
Fontana.  For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used 
briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) or BMC 
Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out Marina (yes, it will 
fit).  Finding an M-series with a good head would be a chore as would 
getting the 2.2 here from Oz.  The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is 
bulletproof, and  mounts any number of stick or auto boxes...but would 
cost about $10K.

Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service would be a 
cast iron block from Kansas Racing Products.  They can cast an Iron Duke 
to take a wide variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 
heads .  The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero or S10 will fit 
the TC firewall space and fit between the lower suspension mounts.  
Cheap out would be the last OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's.

Dream on, Glen.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Glen Wilson wrote:
> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
>> for
>> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to
>> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
>> (joking)  www.RoverAmerica.com
>>
>> My 2 cents
>> Dirk
>
> When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
> Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
> nothing of Massachusetts!  If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
> Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
> sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
> something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
>
> No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
> been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
> Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do.
>
> Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
> one will never hold it against him.
>
> He's suffered enough.
>
> God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
> as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
>



From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 11:20:30 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:20:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net>
Message-ID: <535947.61332.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. 

A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) 

A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap.

A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) 

Nathan 








--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM
> Hi All,
> Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle.
> Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of
> service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five
> speeed to make country driving more fun??
> Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to
> accomplish.
> 
> If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be
> to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have
> everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and
> variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.?
> For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used
> briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers)
> or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out
> Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a
> good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here
> from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is
> bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto
> boxes...but would cost about $10K.
> 
> Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service
> would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing
> Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide
> variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8
> heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero
> or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the
> lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last
> OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's.
> 
> Dream on, Glen.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
> Glen Wilson wrote:
> > Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to
> make your travel plans for
> >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric
> told me that you have to
> >> show up in person to sign up to receive further
> Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
> >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com
> >> 
> >> My 2 cents
> >> Dirk
> > 
> > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and
> Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back
> to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's
> in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message
> we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a
> chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something
> with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
> > 
> > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire,
> especially when they've been hardened by years of having to
> live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no
> scenery and nothing to do.
> > 
> > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from
> him again, I for one will never hold it against him.
> > 
> > He's suffered enough.
> > 
> > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and
> surviving Eric, as well.
> > 
> > ;-)
> > 
> > Glen
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


      


From kkinard at att.net  Sat Mar 13 13:15:14 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:15:14 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
In-Reply-To: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B9BD632.2040706@att.net>

slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
> Glen,
>
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, 
> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC.
I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX.  Preliminary measurements say it is 
too big to fit!  Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as 
wide.  You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup 
takes up way too much space.  Nice engine though.

Roverssanly,
Kent K.


From wb007727 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Mar 14 13:35:23 2010
From: wb007727 at bigpond.net.au (Terry Broadbent)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] exhaust system for a sd1
Message-ID: <C968D379E096470A9779DD564CB85522@terrylewak5voh>

hello all, 

i accidently deleted an email about a person talking about an exhaust for an sd1 that he did, i am looking at making my exhaust a but more meaty, and the person in question said somthing about 4-2-1 headers with a bmw silencer at the end, if that person could let me know what else was done to give the sd1 i nice noise i would greatly appricate it.

thanks again.

TerryB
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 18:38:43 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:38:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?
Message-ID: <599277.55293.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am relocating there this summer, and am taking my almost-decided-to-be-sold P6 with me,as I realized I love the car (have wanted one since I was a kid), and that there probably are other Roveristas in the area.

Jim 
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From james.moison at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 19:02:25 2010
From: james.moison at gmail.com (james.moison at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:02:25 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
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------Original Message------
From: Kent Kinard
Sender: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
ReplyTo: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
Sent: Mar 13, 2010 11:15 AM

slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
> Glen,
>
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, 
> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC.
I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX.  Preliminary measurements say it is 
too big to fit!  Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as 
wide.  You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup 
takes up way too much space.  Nice engine though.

Roverssanly,
Kent K.



Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From den at aachenkennels.com  Sat Mar 13 19:20:33 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:20:33 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4B9BD632.2040706@att.net>
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD1608204D@Server.adoptsec.local>

Forgive me chaps for not knowing that much about things P6 however I
have done a few engine swaps in my time . This experience is making me
ponder a few alternative questions. First of course is why change from
the factory installation in the first place, not a problem for me as I
like change for the sake of being different, however with a bit of
thought and a deep pocket the old Rover engine can be made to perform
better.

Many of the engines mention are 4 cylinder. Many may have the tune
ability you desire but what about Torque. These are heavy old cars and
you need something with a bit more than a Rover K engine which are fine
in a seven clone or light hatch ( even seen them in a mini which is a
fine swap). Something V6 or V8 will give you the get up and go factor
but most certainly effect ride and handling and of course the need to
stop without using the aid of the car in front.


I read about a chap in the UK who swapped the Volvo T5 to rear drive and
stuck it into a Morris 8 or similar. I have a Volvo T5 that with simple
mods to the chip and turbo knocks out 240 HP with a few more simple
tweaks and twirls will go over 300 plus it can get that heavy S70 Volvo
of mine up and moving in a very smiling way.. 

Anyway one for the square to think out of...
Den Gallacher.



-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 2:15 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps

slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
> Glen,
>
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks,

> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC.
I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX.  Preliminary measurements say it is 
too big to fit!  Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as 
wide.  You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup 
takes up way too much space.  Nice engine though.

Roverssanly,
Kent K.






From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu  Sat Mar 13 19:58:08 2010
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?
References: <599277.55293.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <96861894DAA04365A5DDB5ADDD706960@your7745395e08>

Could that be Buffalo, NY, Jim?

We're in Syracuse with two of those cars. 

Hank

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Cumberland 
  To: Rovernet 
  Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:38 PM
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?


  I am relocating there this summer, and am taking my almost-decided-to-be-sold P6 with me,as I realized I love the car (have wanted one since I was a kid), and that there probably are other Roveristas in the area.


  Jim 


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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Sat Mar 13 20:02:46 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:02:46 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?
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Nyack new york w one - jamie kitman
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:58:08 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?

Could that be Buffalo, NY, Jim?

We're in Syracuse with two of those cars. 

Hank

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  To: Rovernet 
  Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:38 PM
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo?


  I am relocating there this summer, and am taking my almost-decided-to-be-sold P6 with me,as I realized I love the car (have wanted one since I was a kid), and that there probably are other Roveristas in the area.


  Jim 


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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 21:02:30 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:02:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. 

A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) 

A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. 

A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) 

Nathan 








--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: 

> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> 
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM 
> Hi All, 
> Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. 
> Why put something different in a TC? Power? Ease of 
> service? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five 
> speeed to make country driving more fun? 
> Economy? You've got to have an idea what you want to 
> accomplish. 
> 
> If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be 
> to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have 
> everyone scratch their heads. For ease of service and 
> variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana. 
> For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used 
> briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) 
> or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out 
> Marina (yes, it will fit). Finding an M-series with a 
> good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here 
> from Oz. The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is 
> bulletproof, and mounts any number of stick or auto 
> boxes...but would cost about $10K. 
> 
> Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service 
> would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing 
> Products. They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide 
> variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 
> heads . The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero 
> or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the 
> lower suspension mounts. Cheap out would be the last 
> OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. 
> 
> Dream on, Glen. 
> 
> Roverly, 
> Kent K. 
> 
> Glen Wilson wrote: 
> > Dirk Burrowes wrote: 
> >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to 
> make your travel plans for 
> >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric 
> told me that you have to 
> >> show up in person to sign up to receive further 
> Rovernet posts!!!!!!! 
> >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com 
> >> 
> >> My 2 cents 
> >> Dirk 
> > 
> > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and 
> Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back 
> to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts! If he's 
> in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message 
> we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a 
> chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something 
> with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. 
> > 
> > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, 
> especially when they've been hardened by years of having to 
> live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no 
> scenery and nothing to do. 
> > 
> > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from 
> him again, I for one will never hold it against him. 
> > 
> > He's suffered enough. 
> > 
> > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and 
> surviving Eric, as well. 
> > 
> > ;-) 
> > 
> > Glen 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 




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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 21:14:58 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:14:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net>
Message-ID: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. 

PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. 

Slats 

Glen Wilson wrote: 
> Dirk Burrowes wrote: 
>> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
>> for 
>> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to 
>> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! 
>> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com 
>> 
>> My 2 cents 
>> Dirk 
> 
> When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
> Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
> nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
> Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
> sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
> something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. 
> 
> No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
> been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
> Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. 
> 
> Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
> one will never hold it against him. 
> 
> He's suffered enough. 
> 
> God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
> as well. 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> Glen 
> 
> 


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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 21:28:12 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:28:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps
In-Reply-To: <4B9B425F.1060406@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1931514663.14545611268533692216.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I wouls say two, Mt Rainer and Mt St Helen's. We can see Mt st Helen's from very near our property. We are down in a depression ( year around creek that feeds my two small lakes), but from about 1/2 mile away, there she is! 

The original Miata's were 1800 cc, but 135 HP. I was quoting only four cylinder engines. I do have a Nissan pickup with the 2.4. At one of the Metropolitan events a couple of years ago, saw a Met with a Honda S2000 in it. Quite a customized car. He lengthened the front section by 9 inches, had flares on the fenders, etc. Beautiful body work. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:44:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps 

slatskars at comcast.net wrote: 
> Glen, 
> 
> How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear 
> wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, 
> go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. 
> 
> Slats 
Glen, 

The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would 
not be too peppy in such a big car, don't you? 

"Nissan had a long relationship with BMC." Did you used to own a BMC P6? 

Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. 
How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them? 

Glen 





> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> 
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps 
> 
> Another of my favorite subjects... 
> 
> So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 
> 2000TC? 
> 
> Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the 
> Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up 
> where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the 
> closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the 
> Ford Ranger pickup. 
> 
> I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that 
> you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my 
> memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine 
> bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. 
> 
> Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 
> old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of 
> hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with 
> the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 
> 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC 
> gets today adjusted for the current fuels? 
> 
> Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. 
> 
> Glen 
> 

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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 21:34:16 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:34:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <1939867397.14539731268532150819.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <62804.32713.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Slats,
I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) ?I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine.
Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.)?
The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) ?The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain.?
Nathan?

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote:

From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM

#yiv699139768 p {margin:0;}I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly.

Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. 

A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) 

A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap.

A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) 

Nathan 








--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM
> Hi All,
> Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle.
> Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of
> service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five
> speeed to make country driving more fun??
> Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to
> accomplish.
> 
> If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be
> to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have
> everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and
> variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.?
> For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used
> briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers)
> or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out
> Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a
> good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here
> from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is
> bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto
> boxes...but would cost about $10K.
> 
> Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service
> would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing
> Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide
> variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8
> heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero
> or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the
> lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last
> OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's.
> 
> Dream on, Glen.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
> Glen Wilson wrote:
> > Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to
> make your travel plans for
> >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric
> told me that you have to
> >> show up in person to sign up to receive further
> Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
> >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com
> >> 
> >> My 2 cents
> >> Dirk
> > 
> > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and
> Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back
> to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's
> in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message
> we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a
> chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something
> with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
> > 
> > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire,
> especially when they've been hardened by years of having to
> live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no
> scenery and nothing to do.
> > 
> > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from
> him again, I for one will never hold it against him.
> > 
> > He's suffered enough.
> > 
> > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and
> surviving Eric, as well.
> > 
> > ;-)
> > 
> > Glen
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 







      
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Mar 13 21:55:41 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:55:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <62804.32713.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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You are correct of course, Nathan. I can still remember the first time I goosed that rotary pickup, WOW!. I had a friend that was very much into rotaries, he had two of them as daily drivers. He was a retired Air Farce ( I am retired Naval Aviation) pilot and was trying to have an old Ryan aircraft, with a rotary engine, certified by the FAA. Unfortunately, he came down with terminal cancer before he had it certified. I did see it fly. He did a beautiful job building a reduction gear box to get the prop speed down. He also did a nice job fabricating the engine fairing. The last thing he was wroking on was the cooling system. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:34:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

Slats, 


I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine. 


Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.) 


The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain. 


Nathan 



--- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote: 



From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM 



I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. 

A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) 

A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. 

A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) 

Nathan 








--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: 

> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> 
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM 
> Hi All, 
> Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. 
> Why put something different in a TC? Power? Ease of 
> service? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five 
> speeed to make country driving more fun? 
> Economy? You've got to have an idea what you want to 
> accomplish. 
> 
> If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be 
> to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have 
> everyone scratch their heads. For ease of service and 
> variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana. 
> For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used 
> briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) 
> or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out 
> Marina (yes, it will fit). Finding an M-series with a 
> good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here 
> from Oz. The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is 
> bulletproof, and mounts any number of stick or auto 
> boxes...but would cost about $10K. 
> 
> Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service 
> would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing 
> Products. They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide 
> variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 
> heads . The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero 
> or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the 
> lower suspension mounts. Cheap out would be the last 
> OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. 
> 
> Dream on, Glen. 
> 
> Roverly, 
> Kent K. 
> 
> Glen Wilson wrote: 
> > Dirk Burrowes wrote: 
> >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to 
> make your travel plans for 
> >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric 
> told me that you have to 
> >> show up in person to sign up to receive further 
> Rovernet posts!!!!!!! 
> >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com 
> >> 
> >> My 2 cents 
> >> Dirk 
> > 
> > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and 
> Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back 
> to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts! If he's 
> in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message 
> we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a 
> chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something 
> with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. 
> > 
> > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, 
> especially when they've been hardened by years of having to 
> live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no 
> scenery and nothing to do. 
> > 
> > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from 
> him again, I for one will never hold it against him. 
> > 
> > He's suffered enough. 
> > 
> > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and 
> surviving Eric, as well. 
> > 
> > ;-) 
> > 
> > Glen 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 





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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 13 21:45:27 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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My 66 Rover 2000 TC is about 90 miles from Buffalo, overwintering in the shed on my property. I live and work north of Watertown these days.

 

There was a 1970, 2000 TC in Naples, which used to be owned by David Sheuring but that guy sold it back in July. 

 

There are a few Rovers in Syracuse. There was one in Watertown, which I inspected, and was purchased by a pilot in Tennesee. In the summer time my Rover 2000 TC can be seen around Alex bay a lot.

 

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 22:49:06 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:49:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) 
By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-),  :-)
Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm)

We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts.  You going' ?

Eric


 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)




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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. 

PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th.

Slats

Glen Wilson wrote:
> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
>> for
>> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to
>> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
>> (joking)  www.RoverAmerica.com
>>
>> My 2 cents
>> Dirk
>
> When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
> Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
> nothing of Massachusetts!  If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
> Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
> sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
> something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
>
> No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
> been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
> Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do.
>
> Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
> one will never hold it against him.
>
> He's suffered enough.
>
> God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
> as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
>


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From agOpstal at poelmann.nl  Sun Mar 14 08:26:49 2010
From: agOpstal at poelmann.nl (A.G. Opstal van)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:26:49 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Subscription.
Message-ID: <727A5768C9628A45B84F4FB026131213C5CF1FF2@PM-SRV1.huizen.local>

Hello,

Can you remove me from this list.

Thank you.

Lex van Opstal.
The Netherlands.


From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu  Sun Mar 14 08:46:45 2010
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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There is another one in the Syracuse area owned by Carl Van Kesteren who drove it in The Great American Race a few years ago. 

Hank
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Radcliffe 
  To: rovernet at rovernet.ca 
  Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:45 PM
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?


  My 66 Rover 2000 TC is about 90 miles from Buffalo, overwintering in the shed on my property. I live and work north of Watertown these days.
   
  There was a 1970, 2000 TC in Naples, which used to be owned by David Sheuring but that guy sold it back in July. 
   
  There are a few Rovers in Syracuse. There was one in Watertown, which I inspected, and was purchased by a pilot in Tennesee. In the summer time my Rover 2000 TC can be seen around Alex bay a lot.
   
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From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sun Mar 14 09:04:07 2010
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:04:07 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75?
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     Hi,
          Wasn't Damien from Brisbane on this list for a while. I remember 
his 75 was Wedgewood Blue. I saw a blue one last week but it was more of a 
Metallic. Haven't seen him post for a while. He must have had his at least 
five years now.

    Regards,
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 10:51:01 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <1681774113.14550141268535341211.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Slats,?Sorry to hear that your friend didn't manage to get his plane certified before he passed ? away. Stories like that always seem to get to me. ?I think rotary and Subaru powered homebuilts are pretty popular nowadays in the DIY aviation community- he sounds like he was a pioneer in that area.?
Nathan?

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote:

From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:55 PM

#yiv633216328 p {margin:0;}You are correct of course, Nathan. I can still remember the first time I goosed that rotary pickup, WOW!. I had a friend that was very much into rotaries, he had two of them as daily drivers. He was a retired Air Farce ( I am retired Naval Aviation) pilot and was trying to have an old Ryan aircraft, with a rotary engine, certified by the FAA. Unfortunately, he came down with terminal cancer before he had it certified. I did see it fly. He did a beautiful job building a reduction gear box to get the prop speed down. He also did a nice job fabricating the engine fairing. The last thing he was wroking on was the cooling system.

Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:34:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

Slats,
I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) ?I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine.
Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.)?
The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and
 weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) ?The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain.?
Nathan?

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote:

From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM

#yiv633216328 #yiv699139768 p {margin:0;}I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing
 would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly.

Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary
 would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. 

A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) 

A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap.

A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) 

Nathan 








--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM
> Hi All,
> Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to
 rattle.
> Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of
> service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five
> speeed to make country driving more fun??
> Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to
> accomplish.
> 
> If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be
> to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have
> everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and
> variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.?
> For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used
> briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers)
> or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out
> Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a
> good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here
> from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is
>
 bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto
> boxes...but would cost about $10K.
> 
> Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service
> would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing
> Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide
> variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8
> heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero
> or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the
> lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last
> OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's.
> 
> Dream on, Glen.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
> Glen Wilson wrote:
> > Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to
> make your travel plans for
> >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric
> told me that you have to
>
 >> show up in person to sign up to receive further
> Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
> >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com
> >> 
> >> My 2 cents
> >> Dirk
> > 
> > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and
> Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back
> to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's
> in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message
> we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a
> chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something
> with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
> > 
> > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire,
> especially when they've been hardened by years of having to
> live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no
> scenery and nothing to do.
> > 
> > Eric deserves
 to go native, and if we never hear from
> him again, I for one will never hold it against him.
> > 
> > He's suffered enough.
> > 
> > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and
> surviving Eric, as well.
> > 
> > ;-)
> > 
> > Glen
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 










      
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 14:52:55 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:52:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Subscription.
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OK. Farewell.
Eric


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From: A.G. Opstal van <agOpstal at poelmann.nl>
To: "rovernet at rovernet.ca" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 5:26:49 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Subscription.

Hello,

Can you remove me from this list.

Thank you.

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 15:06:06 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:06:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Message-ID: <665171494.14662971268593566761.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Eric, 

Was hoping that you were on Oahu. We have been coming to Oahu, for quite a few years now, for a SUN break. I think this is the fourth time that we will be driving in the St Paddies day parade. Yes, we have a friend here with four MG's, 33 J-2, 36 MGTA, 48 MGTC and 52 MGTD. He has me drive the new one. If you had been here, I could probably get you one to drive also. He has said, bring friends, I have more cars. He also has a 54 MGTF, but he keeps that in AZ to have one on the mainland to attend GOF's. We know several folks on Oahu, so coming here was like visiting friends, but they are disappearing slowly. 

We will not be going to Fitchburg, MA. I have too many other commitments (reunions) this year. We will be going to Pittsburgh (High School reunion) and San Antonio (Navy , air Traffic Control group). Then, I have another Navy group coming to the Portland area, plus our Club T-MG commitments. This year is like the perfect storm of events. Everyone wants them in Aug/Sept too. 

Sorry, we did not get to see you. Enjoy your stay. 

Slats 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:49:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 




Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) 
By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-), :-) 
Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm) 


We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts. You going' ? 


Eric 



"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 





From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 


Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. 

PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. 

Slats 

Glen Wilson wrote: 
> Dirk Burrowes wrote: 
>> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
>> for 
>> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to 
>> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! 
>> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com 
>> 
>> My 2 cents 
>> Dirk 
> 
> When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
> Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
> nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
> Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
> sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
> something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. 
> 
> No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
> been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
> Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. 
> 
> Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
> one will never hold it against him. 
> 
> He's suffered enough. 
> 
> God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
> as well. 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> Glen 
> 
> 





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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 15:11:18 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:11:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Slats,
Sorry about the circumstances preventing another meeting. Hope your trips go well as planned.

Eric


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----- Original Message ----
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 12:06:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

Eric, 

Was hoping that you were on Oahu. We have been coming to Oahu, for quite a few years now, for a SUN break. I think this is the fourth time that we will be driving in the St Paddies day parade. Yes, we have a friend here with four MG's, 33 J-2, 36 MGTA, 48 MGTC and 52 MGTD. He has me drive the new one. If you had been here, I could probably get you one to drive also. He has said, bring friends, I have more cars. He also has a 54 MGTF, but he keeps that in AZ to have one on the mainland to attend GOF's. We know several folks on Oahu, so coming here was like visiting friends, but they are disappearing slowly. 

We will not be going to Fitchburg, MA. I have too many other commitments (reunions) this year. We will be going to Pittsburgh (High School reunion) and San Antonio (Navy , air Traffic Control group). Then, I have another Navy group coming to the Portland area, plus our Club T-MG commitments. This year is like the perfect storm of events. Everyone wants them in Aug/Sept too. 

Sorry, we did not get to see you. Enjoy your stay. 

Slats 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:49:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 




Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) 
By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-), :-) 
Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm) 


We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts. You going' ? 


Eric 



"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 





From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 


Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. 

PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. 

Slats 

Glen Wilson wrote: 
> Dirk Burrowes wrote: 
>> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
>> for 
>> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to 
>> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! 
>> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com 
>> 
>> My 2 cents 
>> Dirk 
> 
> When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
> Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
> nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
> Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
> sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
> something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. 
> 
> No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
> been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
> Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. 
> 
> Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
> one will never hold it against him. 
> 
> He's suffered enough. 
> 
> God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
> as well. 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> Glen 
> 
> 





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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 15:19:40 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Nathan, 

Yes, this was in the early 80's. The Ryan was quite a large plane for the engine, I thought at the time. After the AF, he had worked for Douglas Aircraft and was quite active in the experimental aircraft group in central Calif. 

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From: elam14 at msn.com (FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:45:25 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?












  
Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo.  I have 2 Rovers, both of which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my attention.		                                                                                            Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted).  This is the "donor" vehicle.	                                                    On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay in 2003 or so.  This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical work.  Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine.        Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to work and "get 'er done!"                                                                                                                                                   Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt  716 836 4929 		 	   		  
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 15:58:29 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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Franz noted, <SNIP> "........... I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP>

Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses:
1.  Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual).
2.  Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer.
3.  Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor.

OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above  :-)

Eric



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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 16:48:02 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:48:02 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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I have a Brit cat...
British Blue & Scottish Fold.
Big.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: slatskars at comcast.net 
  To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
  Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


  Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. 

  PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th.

  Slats

  Glen Wilson wrote:
  > Dirk Burrowes wrote:
  >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans 
  >> for
  >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to
  >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!!
  >> (joking)  www.RoverAmerica.com
  >>
  >> My 2 cents
  >> Dirk
  >
  > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in 
  > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say 
  > nothing of Massachusetts!  If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, 
  > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while 
  > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking 
  > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it.
  >
  > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've 
  > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like 
  > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do.
  >
  > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for 
  > one will never hold it against him.
  >
  > He's suffered enough.
  >
  > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, 
  > as well.
  >
  > ;-)
  >
  > Glen
  >
  >


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From ianalice at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 14 17:30:35 2010
From: ianalice at shaw.ca (Alice and Ian Potts)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches
Message-ID: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC>

Guy & Gals:
    I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild.  Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up.  Also, with an ignition switch  with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. 
    What I'm after from any of you is this:   With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch?  Pages 32Q and 33Q  in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please.  Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1,  phone 250-334-0673
e-mail     ianalice at shaw.ca     I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Sun Mar 14 17:48:44 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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This hole can also be created by the car itself, if the bendix drive pinion of the starter motor splits (not unknow, the gear is a sintered metal deal)while the engine is running, a gear fragment can get trapped between the ring gear and the bellhousing. The bellhousing always gives up first, either with a cracked bulge or an actual hole broken out. 

Yours
Vern


On 2010-03-14, at 12:58 PM, Eric Russell wrote:

> Franz noted, <SNIP> "........... I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP>
> 
> Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses:
> 1.  Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual).
> 2.  Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer.
> 3.  Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor.
> 
> OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above  :-)
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 18:21:01 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. 

Slats 
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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

I have a Brit cat... 
British Blue & Scottish Fold. 
Big. 

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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 18:43:18 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:43:18 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Australia...
and I picked up on your typo: cat not car.

Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last 
forever.

PVS

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From: <slatskars at comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


> Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car 
> Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later 
> in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be 
> from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I 
> will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer 
> thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested.
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
> I have a Brit cat...
> British Blue & Scottish Fold.
> Big.
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 19:03:30 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:03:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS bought up the SU assets. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ---- 
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

Australia... 
and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. 

Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last 
forever. 

PVS 
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 19:20:07 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:20:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches
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Ian, 

I do not have a Rover manual handy, but do have my MGB Electrical Systems book by Rick Asley, with me. It does have the British Standard BS-AU7 color codes in it. The basics are Black - earth, Brown - battery fed (not fused), Green - battery fed (fused), Purple - battery fed (fused), Red - side lamps, Blue - Head lamps, White - ignition fed (no fuse), Yellow - overdrive. A stripe or trace is used to indicate subordinate circuits. So, you should have a Brown coming into the switch and a white going out to the ignition (either directly through the fuse block or through the tach). A white with Red tracer would be going to the starter relay. White with a Green tracer would be switched accessories, ie. radio, etc. Hope this gets you started. Let me know what colors you are dealing with and I will try to assist. I cannot send the pages through to you. Very slow connection, plus I am just on a laptop. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:30:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches 

Guy & Gals: 
I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. 
What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, phone 250-334-0673 
e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind 
Thanks already 
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From elam14 at msn.com  Sun Mar 14 19:38:46 2010
From: elam14 at msn.com (FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:29 -0700
> From: p6rovers at yahoo.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
> 
> Franz noted, <SNIP> "........... I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP>
> 
> Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses:
> 1.  Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual).
> 2.  Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer.
> 3.  Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor.
> 
> OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above  :-)
> 
> Eric
> ...creating more bits in the process.  Oh well.  When the time comes for such niceties your 3rd suggestion sounds like a good option.  Thanks, Franz
> 
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 19:43:35 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:43:35 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Message-ID: <53BB402622FC4FF692AC88813C84872B@Vista>

I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well.

A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go forever.

PVS

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From: <slatskars at comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


> No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, 
> but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least 
> partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of 
> diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a 
> basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these 
> across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, 
> I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web 
> site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger 
> configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the 
> points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits 
> and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger 
> setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS 
> bought up the SU assets.
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ---- 
> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
> Australia...
> and I picked up on your typo: cat not car.
>
> Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last
> forever.
>
> PVS
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 20:11:24 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:11:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Slats,
I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN")
Here's a tip:
http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php

Eric


 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



----- Original Message ----
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

I have a Brit cat... 
British Blue & Scottish Fold. 
Big. 

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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 20:15:36 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:15:36 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79343FA7B1D947D49A084DEA9968AA4E@Vista>

He looks like photo 1 but with straight ears, British Blue heritage there.
Big hairy lump; but I love him.  Bit like a Rover really...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


> Slats,
> I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN")
> Here's a tip:
> http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php
>
> Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
> Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car 
> Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later 
> in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be 
> from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I 
> will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer 
> thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested.
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
> I have a Brit cat...
> British Blue & Scottish Fold.
> Big.
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 20:18:03 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <53BB402622FC4FF692AC88813C84872B@Vista>
Message-ID: <1891184031.14744791268612283203.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Is that the plastic bodied one? I have one of those around somewhere. I also, have a couple of German made copies, Hardi and Harding. I agree that a diode does help extend the life greatly, but I am converting all of mine to the optical system. I know that originally there was only points, followed by a capacitor across the points, which in turn had a diode across the coil. Dave DuBois went through several evolutions, including hall effect, before he settled on the optical trigger system that he is currently using. He does a complete disassemble, inspection, cleaning (including bead blasting the body), replaces all required parts, installs the electronic kit and runs them for 24 hours on his test rig, before shipping our a unit. He measures current draw, fuel flow, fuel volume during the test. Typically rebuilding a unit will cost about $100 US depending upon parts. Installing the electronic kit is $55 alone. What you get at the end of the process is a completely re-manufactured unit that should last as long as the diaphragm does. I have two being done now, but will do my others myself, later, including the double unit in my P-5. I have five MG's to deal with. I know, more than my fair share. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:43:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well. 

A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go forever. 

PVS 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <slatskars at comcast.net> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 


> No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, 
> but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least 
> partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of 
> diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a 
> basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these 
> across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, 
> I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web 
> site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger 
> configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the 
> points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits 
> and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger 
> setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS 
> bought up the SU assets. 
> 
> Slats 
> ----- Original Message ---- 
> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> 
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 
> 
> Australia... 
> and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. 
> 
> Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last 
> forever. 
> 
> PVS 
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 20:30:43 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:30:43 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches
In-Reply-To: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC>
References: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC>
Message-ID: <83411641CDC045CA85FBCE4DA80751CB@Vista>

6 contact switches existed on some P6B models.
It may have been replaced.
I am not sure of the numbers since I have lost my reading glasses, but here 
goes:
1  White with Red - to starter via inhibitor switch
2  Brown with Red - constant 12V in
3  Brown with Blue - control box for alternator
4  White - various, main ign out
5  Brown with Purple - radio
6  Brown with White - lights

That's from page 86.00.01 sheet 2 in 3500 manual.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca>
To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches


> Guy & Gals:
>    I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition 
> switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild.  Many others in the past 
> years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little 
> mixed up.  Also, with an ignition switch  with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 
> 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the 
> switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the 
> least.
>    What I'm after from any of you is this:   With no reference I can find 
> in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with 
> extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours 
> of wires to and from this switch?  Pages 32Q and 33Q  in the manual adds a 
> little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, 
> please.  Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, 
> phone 250-334-0673
> e-mail     ianalice at shaw.ca     I await with bated breath, a diagram, 
> reference, help of any kind
> Thanks already
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sun Mar 14 20:36:40 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:36:40 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <1891184031.14744791268612283203.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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The hassle with optical is dirt.  One bit on receiver, and it stops.

Yes it is a plastic body pump.

You can put the diode across the coil or across the points.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC


> Is that the plastic bodied one? I have one of those around somewhere. I 
> also, have a couple of German made copies, Hardi and Harding. I agree that 
> a diode does help extend the life greatly, but I am converting all of mine 
> to the optical system. I know that originally there was only points, 
> followed by a capacitor across the points, which in turn had a diode 
> across the coil. Dave DuBois went through several evolutions, including 
> hall effect, before he settled on the optical trigger system that he is 
> currently using. He does a complete disassemble, inspection, cleaning 
> (including bead blasting the body), replaces all required parts, installs 
> the electronic kit and runs them for 24 hours on his test rig, before 
> shipping our a unit. He measures current draw, fuel flow, fuel volume 
> during the test. Typically rebuilding a unit will cost about $100 US 
> depending upon parts. Installing the electronic kit is $55 alone. What you 
> get at the end of the process is a completely re-manufactured unit that 
> should last as long as the diaphragm does. I have two being done now, but 
> will do my others myself, later, including the double unit in my P-5. I 
> have five MG's to deal with. I know, more than my fair share.
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:43:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
> I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well.
>
> A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go 
> forever.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <slatskars at comcast.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>
>
>> No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the 
>> diode,
>> but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least
>> partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of
>> diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had 
>> a
>> basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these
>> across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. 
>> Two,
>> I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web
>> site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger
>> configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the
>> points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits
>> and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger
>> setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS
>> bought up the SU assets.
>>
>> Slats
>> ----- Original Message ---- 
>> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
>>
>> Australia...
>> and I picked up on your typo: cat not car.
>>
>> Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last
>> forever.
>>
>> PVS
>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca
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From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu  Sun Mar 14 20:36:27 2010
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>,
	<SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08>

Franz -

Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those 
Series II cars.  One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I 
have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The 
other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the 
right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit.  That side has 
been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, 
but there could be some other bits I could use.

We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) 
late next month.  In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to 
the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan.  Perhaps our paths could 
cross.

Hank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?


>
>
>
> From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo.  I have 2 Rovers, both of 
> which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my 
> attention. 
> Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston 
> around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a 
> while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in 
> addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious 
> rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted).  This is the 
> "donor" vehicle.                                                     On 
> the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay 
> in 2003 or so.  This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical 
> work.  Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across 
> some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer 
> hole smashed in the be
> ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. 
> Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back 
> to work and "get 'er done!" 
> Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt  716 836 4929
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 20:53:09 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
In-Reply-To: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08>
References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>,
	<SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>,
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	<7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08>
Message-ID: <217368.70838.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Franz,

Can't wait to see your cars, as mine is a '71 TC NADA.  Hank - I may have a correct engine for you . . . .  Can you give me a range on engine numbers, or should I check Rudiger's site, the shop manuals, etc.?

It's great to see all the Rovers to whom I soon will be local!!!!  Thanks for the responses folks.

Cheers,

Jim



________________________________
From: Hank and Sally Manwell <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:36:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?

Franz -

Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those Series II cars.  One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit.  That side has been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, but there could be some other bits I could use.

We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) late next month.  In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan.  Perhaps our paths could cross.

Hank


----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?


> 
> 
> 
> From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo.  I have 2 Rovers, both of which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my attention. Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted).  This is the "donor" vehicle.                                                     On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay in 2003 or so.  This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical work.  Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the be
> ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to work and "get 'er done!" Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt  716 836 4929
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From elam14 at msn.com  Sun Mar 14 21:22:50 2010
From: elam14 at msn.com (FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:22:50 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
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That would be fine.  Just give me a call.  Franz  716 836 4929
> From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:27 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
> 
> Franz -
> 
> Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those 
> Series II cars.  One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I 
> have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The 
> other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the 
> right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit.  That side has 
> been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, 
> but there could be some other bits I could use.
> 
> We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) 
> late next month.  In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to 
> the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan.  Perhaps our paths could 
> cross.
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com>
> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo.  I have 2 Rovers, both of 
> > which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my 
> > attention. 
> > Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston 
> > around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a 
> > while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in 
> > addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious 
> > rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted).  This is the 
> > "donor" vehicle.                                                     On 
> > the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay 
> > in 2003 or so.  This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical 
> > work.  Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across 
> > some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer 
> > hole smashed in the be
> > ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. 
> > Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back 
> > to work and "get 'er done!" 
> > Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt  716 836 4929
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 21:31:55 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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The factory installed units, for later MGB's, had the diode across the coil. Also, the diagrams in the Burlen SU Workshop Manual shows it across te coil. It would probably have some effect either way. Will check it out visually, after I get my test setup completed and report back. I will try it with both types of diodes and a capacitor. I have tons of diodes that were removed from converted pumps. The difficulty with hall effect is interference and nearby metal objects. If the small "O" ring (end cover seal washer) under the cap on the terminal screw and tape are in place, dirt should not be a problem. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:36:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

The hassle with optical is dirt. One bit on receiver, and it stops. 

Yes it is a plastic body pump. 

You can put the diode across the coil or across the points. 

PVS 

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From kkinard at att.net  Sun Mar 14 21:34:21 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:34:21 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6/P6B base units
In-Reply-To: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08>
References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>,
	<SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>,
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Hi Rovernetters,
Seeing Hank's post about rebuilding a wreck brought to mind my surplus 
of base units.
Anyone contemplating a ground up rebuild of a P6 or P6B is welcome to 
contact me off list. Most of my extra base units are rust free except 
for the boot floor where some have rust but no rust through. I have the 
following surplus to needs: 2-'68 P6, 1-late '70 P6, 1-'75 P6, 2-Federal 
P6B's. Save all that time and welding rod.

Roverly,
Kent K.


From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 21:40:31 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:40:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches
In-Reply-To: <83411641CDC045CA85FBCE4DA80751CB@Vista>
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Those do not match my codes, but my book was written for MGB's. Rover did not necessarily follow British Standard, I guess. 

Slats 
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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches 

6 contact switches existed on some P6B models. 
It may have been replaced. 
I am not sure of the numbers since I have lost my reading glasses, but here 
goes: 
1 White with Red - to starter via inhibitor switch 
2 Brown with Red - constant 12V in 
3 Brown with Blue - control box for alternator 
4 White - various, main ign out 
5 Brown with Purple - radio 
6 Brown with White - lights 

That's from page 86.00.01 sheet 2 in 3500 manual. 

PVS 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca> 
To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 AM 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches 


> Guy & Gals: 
> I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition 
> switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past 
> years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little 
> mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 
> 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the 
> switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the 
> least. 
> What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find 
> in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with 
> extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours 
> of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a 
> little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, 
> please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, 
> phone 250-334-0673 
> e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, 
> reference, help of any kind 
> Thanks already 
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From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu  Sun Mar 14 21:45:02 2010
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:45:02 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>,
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	<B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08>
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Jim,

Here in Florida I don't have a record of the engine number of the running 
car, but the serial number is 43500072A and the one with the missing engine 
is 43500074A.  Any idea of the serial number of the car your spare engine 
came from?

Hank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?


> Franz,
>
> Can't wait to see your cars, as mine is a '71 TC NADA.  Hank - I may have 
> a correct engine for you . . . .  Can you give me a range on engine 
> numbers, or should I check Rudiger's site, the shop manuals, etc.?
>
> It's great to see all the Rovers to whom I soon will be local!!!!  Thanks 
> for the responses folks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hank and Sally Manwell <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:36:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
>
> Franz -
>
> Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those 
> Series II cars.  One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I 
> have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The 
> other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on 
> the right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit.  That side 
> has been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet 
> metal, but there could be some other bits I could use.
>
> We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) 
> late next month.  In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to 
> the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan.  Perhaps our paths 
> could cross.
>
> Hank
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com>
> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo.  I have 2 Rovers, both of 
>> which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my 
>> attention. Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought 
>> in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road 
>> again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse 
>> any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and 
>> having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). 
>> This is the "donor" vehicle. 
>> On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on 
>> E-bay in 2003 or so.  This car is basically sound but needs extensive 
>> mechanical work.  Every time I have started to work on the car I have 
>> come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as 
>> a hammer hole smashed in the be
>> ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. Maybe 
>> seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to 
>> work and "get 'er done!" Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt  716 836 4929
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 14 21:50:19 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignition switches
In-Reply-To: <mailman.218.1268610251.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.218.1268610251.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:35 -0700
> From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca>
> To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches
> Message-ID: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48 at IandAlicePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Guy & Gals:
>     I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild.  Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up.  Also, with an ignition switch  with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. 
>     What I'm after from any of you is this:   With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch?  Pages 32Q and 33Q  in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please.  Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1,  phone 250-334-0673
> e-mail     ianalice at shaw.ca     I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind
> Thanks already 
>*****
I can have a look on my 69 Rover 2000 automatic at the end of the week. There are two types of ignition switches I believe, one which has 2 positions, the other has 3 positions.  I have just had a look in my parts manual and it looks like there are four different variants of ignition switches. The switches for Germany were complete with coil (ignition?). The earlier ignition switches were up to suffix C, Lucas part number 34503, 531573 Rover part number (2 position). The switches post suffix C were Lucas part number 35598, 551508 Rover part number. What suffix is your car? Do you have any issues with the starter inhibitor switch? If the inhibitor switch is not working right then that would make wiring up the ignition switch a bit tricky. Anyhow if you need me to check out the wiring on my Rover 2000 automatic I can do so at the end of the week. I do know that there are some spare pickups where you can wire a radio, and even a pick up which provides power when the switch is off, and cuts the power when the switch is turned on, or to accessories. I have always wondered what this pick up is for, could it be for a car alarm? Did car alarms exist in 1969?!   

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 21:56:58 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:56:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
In-Reply-To: <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1139259075.14782671268618218552.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Eric, 

Don't you think, that one Glen is more than enough? I know Paul is just trying to help, as all the Rover group do. As I mentioned earlier, the SU fuel pumps are my latest area of interest. The past two years were devoted to Lucas distributors. One needs new challenges to conquer. 

Slats ; - ) 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:11:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

Slats, 
I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN") 
Here's a tip: 
http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php 

Eric 


"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 



----- Original Message ---- 
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. 

Slats 
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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
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I have a Brit cat... 
British Blue & Scottish Fold. 
Big. 

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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 22:08:48 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6/P6B base units
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Hello Rovernet,
  If anybody is considering a rebuild of a P6B, I also have a Georgia
unrusted base unit and alot of the rest of the car in parts.  Please contact
me at gbbourque at gmail.com if you are interested in photos, coming to look at
it, or an explanation of what is missing.
Thankyou,
Garrett Bourque
Jefferson, Maine

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Rovernetters,
> Seeing Hank's post about rebuilding a wreck brought to mind my surplus of
> base units.
> Anyone contemplating a ground up rebuild of a P6 or P6B is welcome to
> contact me off list. Most of my extra base units are rust free except for
> the boot floor where some have rust but no rust through. I have the
> following surplus to needs: 2-'68 P6, 1-late '70 P6, 1-'75 P6, 2-Federal
> P6B's. Save all that time and welding rod.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 22:55:32 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:55:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC
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Good one! Guess that I should have looked at the pictures Eric sent, BEFORE replying. Quite a cat! 

I thought that you were a disconnected Brit car guy in Hawaii and I was going to help you get connected to the group. 

Slats 
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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC 

Australia... 
and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. 

Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last 
forever. 

PVS 
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Mon Mar 15 07:22:11 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:22:11 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Engine swap for a TC
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Beautiful cats, but the ears?
 I do like cats, and also hocelots.
I know in Usa there are quite a lot.

Best regards, GR. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC

He looks like photo 1 but with straight ears, British Blue heritage there.
Big hairy lump; but I love him.  Bit like a Rover really...


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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:11 AM
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> Slats,
> I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN")
> Here's a tip:
> http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php
>
> Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
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> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM
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>
> Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car 
> Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later 
> in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be 
> from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I 
> will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer 
> thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested.
>
> Slats
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> I have a Brit cat...
> British Blue & Scottish Fold.
> Big.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 15 19:29:02 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:29:02 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Roverfolks
                     I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 
TC, not the more common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer 
design. The strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be 
shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with clear 
shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope someone can 
help.
              Cheers  Ben (irishrover)

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e

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From kkinard at att.net  Tue Mar 16 13:35:51 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>

Hi Ben,
I think I have some of these. They must have been standard on the Series 
2 cars. We didn't get many in the states, but I have two Series 2 cars. 
I only need one set of cappings. These appear to be darker and "redder", 
if that is a word. Are there other differences? Did I miss something in 
your description?

Roverly,
Kent K.

BEN RODGERS wrote:
>
> Hi Roverfolks
> I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 TC, not the more 
> common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer design. The 
> strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be 
> shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with 
> clear shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope 
> someone can help.
> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e 
>
>
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 16 14:26:53 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:26:53 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>
	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Kent
            I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car 
originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However 
I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem 
is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no 
one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood 
trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other 
strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original 
receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? 
Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with 
Rovers!
                          Cheers Ben (irishrover)
*************
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Tue Mar 16 14:35:26 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:35:26 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>
	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com>

Hi Ben

Overriders were optional equipment (but fitted to all NADA cars), and the trailer hitch came in two versions as a result.

Yours
Vern
On 2010-03-16, at 11:26 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote:

> Hi Kent
>           I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers!
>                         Cheers Ben (irishrover)
> *************
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> then
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 14:41:09 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>
	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
	<9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com>
Message-ID: <47107.51048.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Now I'm curious to see which version mine is . . . . . 




________________________________
From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:35:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed

Hi Ben

Overriders were optional equipment (but fitted to all NADA cars), and the trailer hitch came in two versions as a result.

Yours
Vern
On 2010-03-16, at 11:26 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote:

> Hi Kent
>? ? ? ? ? I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers!
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cheers Ben (irishrover)
> *************
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From kkinard at att.net  Tue Mar 16 17:24:08 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:24:08 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>
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Message-ID: <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net>

Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these so 
I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all the 
other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" front 
doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different.

Kent K.

BEN RODGERS wrote:
> Hi Kent
> I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came 
> from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have 
> come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is 
> the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess 
> no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have 
> a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One 
> other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have 
> original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper 
> overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? 
> Many mysteries with Rovers!
> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
> *************
> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS 
> Ganges, Royal Navy?
> then
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 16 18:08:39 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:39 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net><BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
	<4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP45462B63D609AA55EBC846952D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Kent
           I'll send a photo of my front door wood trim, but it probably 
wont be until Thursday! I'm sure you know what day tomorrow is!!
                                          Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 18:17:24 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
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Ben,
I just looked @ your FB album - think I have these - will look tomorrow.
Jim



________________________________
From: BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 7:29:02 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed


Hi Roverfolks
                    I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 TC, not the more common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer design. The strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with clear shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope someone can help.
             Cheers  Ben (irishrover)

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e

*************
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Tue Mar 16 20:57:04 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>	<BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Kent,

The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in 
color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany.  The 
photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much 
courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut??

I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II 
type that Ben is looking for.

--Steve


Kent Kinard wrote:
> Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these 
> so I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all 
> the other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" 
> front doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different.
>
> Kent K.
>
> BEN RODGERS wrote:
>> Hi Kent
>> I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally 
>> came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I 
>> have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My 
>> problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car 
>> and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too 
>> late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but 
>> not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory 
>> trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I 
>> remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't 
>> have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers!
>> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
>> *************
>> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS 
>> Ganges, Royal Navy?
>> then
>> Visit our website and blog at
>> www.irishroversbooks.com
>>
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>> Be sure to scroll down the whole page.
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Tue Mar 16 21:10:03 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:10:03 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
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	<BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ADB346EDC39D4728A893D6DF31A8FE04@Vista>

On 2000 towbars you need to move the overriders outwards.
On 3500 towbars you don't.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed


> Hi Kent
>            I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car 
> originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. 
> However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My 
> problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I 
> guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I 
> have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts 
> One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have 
> original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper 
> overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many 
> mysteries with Rovers!
>                          Cheers Ben (irishrover)
> *************
> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,  HMS Ganges, 
> Royal Navy?
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From kkinard at att.net  Tue Mar 16 21:17:39 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
In-Reply-To: <4BA028E0.5040608@alum.swarthmore.edu>
References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl>	<4B9FC177.7020300@att.net>	<BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl>	<4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net>
	<4BA028E0.5040608@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <4BA02DB3.2080602@att.net>

Thanks, Steve. When I get out to the shop I will look at my bunch. I 
vaguely remember noticing the two different types, but since they are 
all on cars, I have never seen them side by side. The pictures Ben sent 
do appear to me to be the Series 2 type.

Roverly,
Kent K.

S Manwell wrote:
> Hi Kent,
>
> The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in 
> color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany. The 
> photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much 
> courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut??
>
> I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II 
> type that Ben is looking for.
>
> --Steve
>
>
> Kent Kinard wrote:
>> Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these 
>> so I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all 
>> the other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" 
>> front doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different.
>>
>> Kent K.
>>
>> BEN RODGERS wrote:
>>> Hi Kent
>>> I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally 
>>> came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I 
>>> have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My 
>>> problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car 
>>> and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too 
>>> late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but 
>>> not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a 
>>> factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit 
>>> if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars 
>>> didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers!
>>> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
>>> *************
>>> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS 
>>> Ganges, Royal Navy?
>>> then
>>> Visit our website and blog at
>>> www.irishroversbooks.com
>>>
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>>> Be sure to scroll down the whole page.
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>>>
>>
>>
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 16 22:05:45 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door Capping needed
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:57:04 -0400
> From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> 	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed
> Message-ID: <4BA028E0.5040608 at alum.swarthmore.edu>
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> 
> Hi Kent,
> 
> The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in 
> color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany.  The 
> photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much 
> courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut??
> 
> I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II 
> type that Ben is looking for.
> 
> --Steve
> 
I was after the light color trim a few year ago. Roverpart of London I believe it was did not have the light trim, but they did have the darker trim that you are looking for.

http://roverpart.tripod.com/

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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Wed Mar 17 13:08:37 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:08:37 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  'An Education'
In-Reply-To: <478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com>
References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net>	<8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>	<4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu><982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com><4B98447D.8070400@aol.com><BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl>
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Seen!

Very beautiful, and also had his own happy end!

Best regards, Gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Mark Brown
Inviato: gioved? 11 marzo 2010 13.40
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education'

My wife and I saw the preview for that recently, and I immediately commented, "Bunch of nice cars in that!" :-)

Cheers,
Mark Brown



On 11-Mar-10, at 7:27 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote:

> Hi Folks
>           An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if only 
> to see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included.
>                                                    Ben.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,  HMS 
> Ganges, Royal Navy?
> then
> Visit our website and blog at
> www.irishroversbooks.com
>




From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Thu Mar 18 22:29:30 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:29:30 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] "Back in the Saddle Again"
In-Reply-To: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland@yahoo.com>'s message of Thu, 4
	Feb 2010 18:26:24 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3827-4BA2E18A-2897@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

As Gene Autry used to say (I mean sing), thanks to Garrett Bourque and
his good firm, GB Services Auto Restoration, I'm back on the road again
in my 3500S with Garrett's fine water pump.

I learned from this List that one has to be careful when ordering this
part because of its various versions.  

I want to thank Garrett publicly because on this occasion, he furnished
the exact part I needed, delivery was speedy and the price was
reasonable.

In the recent past, Garrett also supplied an idler arm assembly for my
1969 TC 2000.

He is a splendid fellow and I thank him very much.

Albert



From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Thu Mar 18 22:31:35 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Next Part, Please
In-Reply-To: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland@yahoo.com>'s message of Thu, 4
	Feb 2010 18:26:24 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3823-4BA2E207-5735@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Now I need an oil pressure sending unit for my 3500S. 

It is for the guage, not the dashboard warning light.

Thanks.

Albert



From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 11:44:24 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 black interior bits?
Message-ID: <858715.8741.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone want some interior bits - black vinyl/Ambla?? 2 x shin bins, 1 x rear seat (foam is hard & crumbly, but shape is still right and covers are great - I think they are Series 1); 4 x door cards in great shape just needing a wipe-down?? I also think I have 4 of the black plastic pieces that hold the "wood" door caps.? Pictures available on request.

Cheers,

Jim
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Fri Mar 19 22:12:12 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:12:12 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1970 Rover 3500S
In-Reply-To: <p6estate@blueyonder.co.uk>'s message of Thu, 10 Dec 2009
	20:49:11 -0000
Message-ID: <3826-4BA42EFC-4682@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Dear Mark:

I am looking for an oil pressure sending unit for this car.

The part requested is for the guage, not for the dashboard warning
light.

I also need the round Viking  badge or decal that mounts in the center
of the boot lid.

Thanks.

Albert



From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Sun Mar 21 13:26:28 2010
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:26:28 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] sidelight repair
Message-ID: <59CDBBB1-ECE1-4C0D-A6EE-E8EFB9CDE2D9@telusplanet.net>

Hi all.
In my box of spare parts I have a NOS sidelight without a lower bulb  
holder. I have a damaged sidelight with an intact bulb holder that I  
would like to "transplant". Has anyone done this before?
Looking for some advice before I proceed as I would hate to damage a  
NOS part.
See the parts at:  http://s640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/cdnp6/sidelight/
Roy
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 22:46:49 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:46:49 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] sidelight repair
In-Reply-To: <59CDBBB1-ECE1-4C0D-A6EE-E8EFB9CDE2D9@telusplanet.net>
References: <59CDBBB1-ECE1-4C0D-A6EE-E8EFB9CDE2D9@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <204ec4391003211946p6072f1c1t936581c8c00c7c32@mail.gmail.com>

Roy

I think what you have in the spares bin is  one of the later pattern
sidelights fitted to "Federal" cars - which had a rather different
lighting layout to comply with the US safety regulations at that time.
On the Federal P6 the lower lamp (for the indicator) was blanked off,
and underslung indicators were fitted along with side marker lamps on
the wing

If memory serves the only difference in the two is that the Federal
pattern has a blanking plug prressed in in place of a lamp fixture.
You should be able to press the blank out and insert the lamp holder
form your old part assuming it's still in good order  - you might need
to tweak the lugs that hold the blank in with a screwdriver and pliers
to get it out

Aidrian





On 3/21/10, Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Hi all.
> In my box of spare parts I have a NOS sidelight without a lower bulb
> holder. I have a damaged sidelight with an intact bulb holder that I
> would like to "transplant". Has anyone done this before?
> Looking for some advice before I proceed as I would hate to damage a
> NOS part.
> See the parts at:  http://s640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/cdnp6/sidelight/
> Roy
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 07:25:30 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:25:30 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Canadian & American Rovers Back to the
	UK?
In-Reply-To: <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>	<SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>	<1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>	<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>	<204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com>	<4B959E37.8010909@att.net>	<001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca>	<9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com>	<4B972876.90808@comcast.net>	<001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca>	<4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net>	<4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net>
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Hi, Rovernetters.

Just running an unscientific poll. Most of us know that containers full 
of vintage British cars leave California ports everyday on their way 
back to the UK where rust-free examples are highly prized. A lot of 
British car buffs in the USA get very upset about this because it makes 
it more and more difficult to find cars to restore and enjoy in the 
country where they were sold. Maybe that's why Healey 3000's are selling 
for $60k at auction? I received a well-intentioned note from someone 
wishing to locate any number of Federal 3500S autos to ship back to 
Britain for restoration and, in some cases, conversion to RHD.

I'm wondering what Rover owners in the USA and Canada and possibly other 
export destinations feel about this.

My own feelings can be summed up in this manner:

1.  I'd like to see all of the Rovers in my own country stay here and be 
restored.
2.  The Federal 3500S is unique to North America, and it would be a 
shame if they left.
3.  Unfortunately, many that are here are NOT being restored and are 
sitting around deteriorating.
4.  If they are not going to be restored or, at least, preserved, it is 
probably better for them to go to Europe and the UK where they are 
highly valued and will get the attention they deserve.

If the cars are at least in a garage somewhere, I'd just as soon see 
them stay here.

Here's a personal experience of my own. In the early 90's, I flew from 
Philadelphia to Wichita, Kansas and drove home a rust-free 3500S that 
was sufficiently functional to make the trip of over 1,000 miles. The 
interior was dried out and poorly recolored. There was a cheap respray 
on parts of the car. It had been out in the desert sun for years, and 
every bit of rubber that saw sunlight was destroyed, as well as the 
original paint. I did a lot of disassembly, cleaning, rust-proofing, and 
engine bay work. When the time came to get it painted, I hit a brick 
wall because I didn't have the necessary funds. To make a long story 
short, it sat for some years and then went, along with an identical but 
rusty parts car with an excellent interior to another Rover lover. It 
took me a while to find a good home for this car because there seemed to 
be little interest even on the Rovernet for this car which included all 
of the original interior and trim parts in excellent condition to bring 
it back. The car's new owner also ran into some issues that prevented 
him from finishing the car, primarily loss of work/storage space, I 
believe. He, also, could not find someone to take on the project after 
repeated attempts and not asking much at all for the two cars.

Ultimately, that car went back to the UK where it has supposedly been 
restored.  I wish I had it here in my possession in 100-point concours 
condition, but I think it the guy who bought it from me probably did the 
right thing and that the car is better off in the UK.

That's just one example of what can happen to an eminently restorable car.

So, I'd like them to stay here in North America, but I'd also like to 
see them restored.

What do you think?

Glen





From roger.matheson at bigpond.com  Mon Mar 22 08:16:21 2010
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (roger matheson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:16:21 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
Message-ID: <001b01cac9b9$7c0e5fd0$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf>

Hi All

Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car.  Time is very limited.  I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one.

Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required.  Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue.  More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached.  

Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. 

Cheers 

Roger 
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Mon Mar 22 08:29:29 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:29:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
In-Reply-To: <001b01cac9b9$7c0e5fd0$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf>
References: <001b01cac9b9$7c0e5fd0$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf>
Message-ID: <741115.31199.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I've done them in a day no problem but have done a few so familiarity  with the task helps.

Carbs I think from memory may be able to stay but wouldn't recommend it. Exhaust manifold must come off, as must starter motor and fan blades.  After disconnecting wires and cables etc and removing the rad then thats about it other than engine and gearbox mounts.

Alan Francis (partviking)







________________________________
From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, 22 March, 2010 12:16:21
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change

Hi All

Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car.  Time is very limited.  I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one.

Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required.  Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue.  More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached.  

Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. 

Cheers 

Roger 
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 08:58:14 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:58:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fwd: Quick Engine swap
In-Reply-To: <00af01cac9bc$5de58d00$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf>
Message-ID: <1317900599.17573081269262694952.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


----- Forwarded Message ----- 
From: "roger matheson" <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> 
To: slatskars at comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:36:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Quick Engine swap 


Hi Slats 

For some reason I can't get a message up on Rovernet and have to rush for work. Can't find Eric's email address quickly enough 

Could you post it for me please 

Thanks 


Hi All 

Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. 

Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached. 

Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. 

Cheers 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 10:07:28 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>

Hate to do this test thing, but haven't seen messages, including the 
ones I have sent...


From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Mon Mar 22 11:13:05 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:13:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>
References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <241774.81379.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I've been getting them and my own.

Regards

Alan Francis (partviking)




________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>; eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, 22 March, 2010 14:07:28
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Hate to do this test thing, but haven't seen messages, including the ones I have sent...

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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 12:11:42 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:11:42 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Canadian & American Rovers Back to
	the UK?
In-Reply-To: <4BA753AA.4030606@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
	<4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca>
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Yes and yes.  Disclosure -  I have one foot on either side of the
Atlantic and another in a group of shakey islands in the South Pacific
 (you didn?t know I had three feet, did you?)

The NADA/Federal cars have a certain appeal to Roverists in the old
dart and to knowledgeable enthusiasts in other places. They are a
distinctly different to the home market cars and to most other export
models. There weren?t a lot of them, and if ever I head back to
foreign climes I would like to take one of mine with me.  However some
of the V8s were sold in Europe after Rover dropped the US market ?
Belgium was apparently one market that took a few, so they weren?t
exclusively North American models, though they were developed for that
market

> 3.  Unfortunately, many that are here are NOT being restored and are sitting
> around deteriorating.
> 4.  If they are not going to be restored or, at least, preserved, it is
> probably better for them to go to Europe and the UK where they are highly
> valued and will get the attention they deserve.

If the surviving cars were being restored locally then, yes, I would
like to see them stay here. However I would rather see them being
restored and used somewhere rather than sitting in a garage or a scrap
yard and just mouldering away.  Unfortunately too many Rovers are
doing just that and are slowly returning to nature ? thought the
return to raw materials is rather slower in a barn or in the desert
than it would be in an outdoor scrapyard near a Georgia swamp it still
happens.

However we are assuming that these cars are being restored. In fact
many cars may be being reduced to spares to provide rust free parts
and or upgrades for home market cars.  Some may be only fit for this,
but I would not like to see a situation where a majority of the good
original cars were lost to make up funky hybrids that never could have
existed as a factory model.

Aidrian


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 12:20:01 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>
References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <437106.47083.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Glen,
I (....and I am sure *all* of us) never have missed an opportunity to read your messages :-)

You say you haven't seen your messages. Well,........ we all are getting older.... ;-)

Eric

"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>; eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 7:07:28 AM
Subject: Test

Hate to do this test thing, but haven't seen messages, including the ones I have sent...



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From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 21:45:56 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:45:56 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net>
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Okay, guys.

I am trying to see if    I    can see the post.

No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed.

Glen


From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 22:35:30 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <575459.6901.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net>
	<437106.47083.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4BA7D242.6040704@comcast.net>
	<229912.83308.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4BA80FCA.9010707@comcast.net>
	<192813.28615.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4BA81E47.8000605@comcast.net>
	<575459.6901.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BA828F2.6070805@comcast.net>

Eric Russell wrote:
> It's a good thing you didn't say something like  #@$%&  as we all read your Alan in the woodshed tease. 
>
> Eric
>
>
>  "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
> "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 
>   

Since Eric and I have been jousting with Python quotes, I thought the 
woodshed reference might draw some of the Goon Show people out.

"Here, have a boa constrictor."   "No thanks. I haven't finished this 
one yet."

"Can't get the wood, you know."

"Mailing list administration just isn't what it was before the war."

Well, I'm definitely deaded on this list, punched up the conk and hit on 
the nut...

Eric, are you there?





From lingfield51 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 23 02:55:49 2010
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (Juliet Keiler)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:55:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
	<SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl>
	<1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>
	<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
	<204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com>
	<4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca>
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	<4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net>
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Woodshed! Sir you insult the house of Count Jim "knee-trembler" Moriaty.

It is a genuine Ming dynasty pagodo built for the Emporer Wun Hung Low and for sale at the ridiculous price of 5 english pounds.  :)


Alan Francis (partviking)




________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010 1:45:56
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Okay, guys.

I am trying to see if    I    can see the post.

No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed.

Glen

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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Tue Mar 23 02:57:38 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:57:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw:  Test
In-Reply-To: <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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	<1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>
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	<204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com>
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This is an earlier copy of a later email and as such for sale at 10 english pounds...Quick Nurse the screens!

Alan Francis (partviking)






Woodshed! Sir you insult the house of Count Jim "knee-trembler" Moriaty.

It is a genuine Ming dynasty pagodo built for the Emporer Wun Hung Low and for sale at the ridiculous price of 5 english pounds.  :)


Alan Francis (partviking)




________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010 1:45:56
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Okay, guys.

I am trying to see if    I    can see the post.

No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed.

Glen

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From gwilson at quakertech.com  Mon Mar 22 21:56:30 2010
From: gwilson at quakertech.com (gwilson at quakertech.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:56:30 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Do not read this subject line
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 15:28:10 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - test for little lost sheep
Message-ID: <397325.95912.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Testing for a poor soul :-)

Eric

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 


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From rovercar at comcast.net  Tue Mar 23 16:45:47 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:45:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W37C5726E939DB81A7725118E2C0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10.1268788547.13267.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
	<SNT105-W37C5726E939DB81A7725118E2C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BA9287B.80209@comcast.net>


Test


From quakertech at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 22:34:49 2010
From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
Message-ID: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Test



      


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 22:40:04 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Well, dear, are you ready?
Inga: Yes, Doctor.
?
?
?
?

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:34:49 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Test



? ? ? 

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From quakertech at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 22:53:00 2010
From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:53:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17533.9338.qm@web114209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Well, three email addresses and eight days later, I have finally received a Rovernet message. Imagine all the good stuff I have missed. Just between us, I think Eric got back from Hawaii all full of vim and vinegar and decided to clean house or at least yank my chain.


;-)

Glen




----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:34:49 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Test



      

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From quakertech at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 22:59:32 2010
From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:59:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
In-Reply-To: <976527.9081.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<976527.9081.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <754552.68945.qm@web114201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Igor: Could be worse.
Dr. Frankenstein: How so?
Igor: Could be raining.
(thunderclap)


Frau Blucher: He was my boyfriend!


Igor: Blucher!!
(neighing)


Wilson: Oh mystery of life, at last I've found you!




----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:40:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Well, dear, are you ready?
Inga: Yes, Doctor.
 
 
 
 

 "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:34:49 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test

Test



      

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From quakertech at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 23:35:37 2010
From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test4
Message-ID: <802136.79441.qm@web114205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

test



      


From gwilson at quakertech.com  Tue Mar 23 23:47:13 2010
From: gwilson at quakertech.com (gwilson at quakertech.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
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From gwilson at quakertech.com  Wed Mar 24 00:02:05 2010
From: gwilson at quakertech.com (gwilson at quakertech.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests
Message-ID: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Sorry for all of these tests. Many strange things going on. Some
messages appear as having reached Rovernet, some don't. Can send
directly to Rovernet, but can't reply to a message. Checking for plain
text vs html and so forth. This will probably go on for a while, so
please just disregard the messages. List members may be able to see them
all, but I only see a few. You don't need to tell me if you see the
message or not. I know you'd like to help out, but Eric and I have to
sort this crazy situation out.

Glen



From quakertech at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 00:17:53 2010
From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:17:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests
In-Reply-To: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <47473.57241.qm@web114212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

98765



----- Original Message ----
> From: "gwilson at quakertech.com" <gwilson at quakertech.com>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:02:05 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests
> 
> Sorry for all of these tests. Many strange things going on. Some
messages 
> appear as having reached Rovernet, some don't. Can send
directly to Rovernet, 
> but can't reply to a message. Checking for plain
text vs html and so forth. 
> This will probably go on for a while, so
please just disregard the messages. 
> List members may be able to see them
all, but I only see a few. You don't 
> need to tell me if you see the
message or not. I know you'd like to help out, 
> but Eric and I have to
sort this crazy situation 
> out.

Glen


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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 09:15:29 2010
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
Message-ID: <976699.65103.qm@web180509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap parts while both engines on the ground for access.

roland
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote:


From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM


Hi All

Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car.? Time is very limited.? I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one.

Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required.? Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue.? More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached.? 

Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. 

Cheers 

Roger 
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From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 09:53:46 2010
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:53:46 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors
Message-ID: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>

 

    Aw Cripes Glen, Kent, Eric,  et al,
                                                      I am still behind in 
my non work, non Dad emails, so I appologise for my bad ettiquette in 
replying to stale email. However I just can't let this go by. I had a quick look 
down the screen and couldn't see any other Aussies commenting, so I thought I 
had better say something. 

     Back about 15 -20 years ago, I used to regularly bump into a bloke who 
was decended from the original "Ghans". They were the people who introduced 
the Camel Trains to Oz. Very different to the people who come to Oz from 
his traditional homeland today. I would be running my Semi-Trailer   "Roun' 
Town" and he was doing similiar hours running InterState Sydney - Brisbone. We 
would be unloading at the same docks in the middle of the night.

    He used to fly a very pretty Atkinson, that he bought new in 1973. When 
the original Gardner (Mancunian ) donk got tired, he picked up what must 
have been the very last of the Rolls-Royce Sixes available in Oz as a Spare 
Part ( I think they might have been sold by DeHavilland in Oz)  and stuck that 
between the rails.

    As an OT comment, from memory,  the Gardner just never had enough 
grunt, so when it got tired after about 9 years and at least a million miles or 
more ( or two Million) he overhauled everything and dropped the New Roller in 
between the rails. I don't think the Roller made any more than 250 HP. Or 
less. It just kept going and going and going, going, going, going and going,  
 JUST like his Afghan  forebears when they were contracted to bring their 
Camels to Oz. 

   The time came when they had to buy Trucks to do the same job, so they 
turned their Camels loose. That was the start of the Ozzy wild Camel Herd. 
Apparently a while back our Ozzie Camels, the wild ones, were the best in the 
world. The Arabs had got theirs all InBred ( you know, five legged and two 
headed).  This Rat Bag I met in the late 70's had done some time on a Camel 
Shooting Contract over in WA. It had been decided that the Camels had to be 
Culled.

   These lunatics had got a hold of a Civilinatised Irouquois eggbeater and 
an eight wheel drive fuel truck. In about 4 months, their seven man AirCrew 
gave the WA Camel population the Holocaust via .458 Magnums.   This has got 
a bit dark here, just trying to lay some facts down.

    A bird I got a bit chummy with back over 15 years ago had a Best Friend 
( of the female persuasion) who had crossed Oz with Camels. It was written 
up in the National Geoghrapic who might have put up some dough. The article 
might be now almost 30 years old now. To do that trip she needed some 
intelligent assistants.  Camels were perfect. 

     Horses look at you and first ask the question "Are we ( the Humans ), 
going to EAT Them, ( The Horses). Once they figure out that they are not for 
Dinner, they set out to eat grass and chat up the sheilas. They only work 
with Humans because it is FUN. Further OT my DAD should be contacted here. I 
have seen the trailer loaded with Trusting Horses , on the way to the 
"Doggers". My Dad stopped one from getting on that trailer many years ago.

   Dogs. They team up with humans because these days they have been bred to 
do it. However I still like the theory that it was Dogs that civilised 
Humans. The Dog was trying to get through to these stupid Ape derivatives, if 
you help me catch that animal over there with your fingers, we can share it 
for dinner, otherwise I am going to have to eat you. The Humans caught on. Now 
Dogs are Domesticated. Some Animal Psychologist can continue that line.

    Camels. A lot smarter that a Horse. If they think that you are a dill, 
they will let you know. If they can form a proper working relationship with 
humans to live a good life, they will do it, ON THEIR OWN TERMS. They TRUST 
HUMANS with THEIR OWN LIFE, once humans have gained their trust. Camels will 
stay with Humans in dificult circumstances long after it is logical to them 
(the Camels) that their life may be in danger. They stress out like a 
Human.

  Anyway, this is why we had Camel Trains in Oz before Road Trains. 

   Glen,  a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They 
are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but 
it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the 
SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell.

    I am getting tired again, I shall deal with Aussie Camel Racing some 
other time as well as Jim's P6b Repco-Holden Camel Rover.

    Glen, you need at least an acre to have a Camel at home, plus feed 
supplements and an exercise area. They chew their Cud, if you are not up to 
their standard you shall wear a Cud. A shower for an hour shall be required to 
remove it. Meanwhile they will build another one .....

     I hope the silliness ends here. My appologies for the OT, I just 
couldn't help it.


     Regards All,
                        Mark Jones. 
                                                

    P.S. I have just got to catch up and post some piccy's of my babies in 
better times. 
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Wed Mar 24 11:21:53 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:21:53 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
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References: <976699.65103.qm@web180509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com>

HI Roland

If you are on the ball, no reason you couldn't swap engines in a single day. You can leave the carbs & manifold attached. Rad has to come out, fuel line off, oil lines off if you have an oil cooler. Oil pressure, dizzy wire, temp senders and generator/alternator wires removed, starter cable removed. Accelerator linkage detached. Under the car, slave cylinder detached, exhaust pipe removed, gearbox mount removed, shifter linkage detached, speedo cable and reverse light switch wires off. Unfasten the driveshaft.

Car needs to be high in the air, engine & gearbox need to be close to 45 degrees to get them out and over the nose of the car.

That's pretty close to it, I think.

Yours
Vern

On 2010-03-24, at 6:15 AM, roland wrote:

> One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap parts while both engines on the ground for access.
> 
> roland
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM
> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car.  Time is very limited.  I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one.
> 
> Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required.  Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue.  More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached.  
> 
> Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Roger 
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 11:43:55 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
Message-ID: <4BAA333B.8030102@comcast.net>

Test


From slatskars at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 11:49:39 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:49:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
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Test, good! 



Slats 



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From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 11:54:38 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:54:38 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Final test?
Message-ID: <4BAA35BE.7000206@comcast.net>

12345


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 11:55:20 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] I'm back on the Rovernet...
Message-ID: <4BAA35E8.6040404@comcast.net>

...in case anyone but Eric cares.

Eric, did we fix it, or did the elves who work on the servers fix 
something beyond our ken?

I resubscribed this morning with my usual email address after seeing a 
message from Vern on on of the other addresses (which I had unsubscribed 
from yesterday, but let's not go there).

Glen


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 12:07:46 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
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Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They 
are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but 
it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the 
SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell."

That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-)

Eric


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From rovercar at comcast.net  Tue Mar 23 23:26:25 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test2
Message-ID: <4BA98661.2000107@comcast.net>

Please stand by...


From quakertech at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 00:16:02 2010
From: quakertech at gmail.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:16:02 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
Message-ID: <13d9cc421003232116n6ad0b293u50904d3860a61f7f@mail.gmail.com>

54321


From gwbridge at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 00:41:03 2010
From: gwbridge at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:41:03 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test
Message-ID: <4BA997DF.3090102@comcast.net>

GW


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 11:38:28 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:38:28 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
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	<9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com>
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test


From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Wed Mar 24 12:18:26 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:18:26 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Jaguar for sale
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 http://motori.corriere.it/motori/varie/10_marzo_18/auto-regina-elisabetta-jaguar-daimler_84ad4306-328f-11df-b043-00144f02aabe.shtml

H. M. DAIMLER - CAR FOR SALE, WE ALL KNOW THE PREVIOUS OWNER

Ma ci sono dubbi sull'effettiva provenienza del veicolo, ora nelle mani di un collezionista
In vendita l'auto privata di Sua Maest?
Per 73 mila euro ? possibile portare a casa la Jaguar Daimler seminuova che ? stata della regina Elisabetta


From slatskars at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 13:04:01 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:04:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
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Eric, 



How many "Loonies" for a Unicorn? 



Slats ;?- ) 


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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:07:46 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT 

Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They 
are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but 
it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the 
SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." 

That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-) 

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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Wed Mar 24 16:53:12 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:53:12 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
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Drain the engine and gearbox oil.

I find getting the correct angle takes 2 lifts.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vern Klukas" <vern at inkspotco.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change


> HI Roland
>
> If you are on the ball, no reason you couldn't swap engines in a single 
> day. You can leave the carbs & manifold attached. Rad has to come out, 
> fuel line off, oil lines off if you have an oil cooler. Oil pressure, 
> dizzy wire, temp senders and generator/alternator wires removed, starter 
> cable removed. Accelerator linkage detached. Under the car, slave cylinder 
> detached, exhaust pipe removed, gearbox mount removed, shifter linkage 
> detached, speedo cable and reverse light switch wires off. Unfasten the 
> driveshaft.
>
> Car needs to be high in the air, engine & gearbox need to be close to 45 
> degrees to get them out and over the nose of the car.
>
> That's pretty close to it, I think.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
> On 2010-03-24, at 6:15 AM, roland wrote:
>
>> One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap 
>> parts while both engines on the ground for access.
>>
>> roland
>> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has 
>> developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. 
>> Time is very limited.  I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one.
>>
>> Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to 
>> minimise the time required.  Height, crane and underbody clearance not so 
>> much an issue.  More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor 
>> set attached.
>>
>> Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working 
>> on my own.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Roger
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From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Wed Mar 24 18:47:26 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:17:26 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
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Hi all
Just have to chime in here ......
;-)

The Parachilna pub here in outback South Australia offers "local" fare.
http://www.prairiehotel.com.au/plateframe.htm
I have tried and can recommend all on offer ....

Cheers
Dave
South Oz


On 3/25/2010 2:37 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> Mark Jones noted, "Glen,  a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They
> are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but
> it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the
> SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell."
>
> That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-)
>
> Eric


From den at aachenkennels.com  Wed Mar 24 19:43:30 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:43:30 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD1608211F@Server.adoptsec.local>

Keep the silliness going Mark makes a jolly good read And a nice bit of
a break from cars.  

Camels are smart, if you upset them they walk away with the
hump....(sorry)

Den Gallacher.


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of MarkCoorparoo at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 9:54 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors

 

    Aw Cripes Glen, Kent, Eric,  et al,
                                                      I am still behind
in 
my non work, non Dad emails, so I appologise for my bad ettiquette in 
replying to stale email. However I just can't let this go by. I had a
quick look 
down the screen and couldn't see any other Aussies commenting, so I
thought I 
had better say something. 

     Back about 15 -20 years ago, I used to regularly bump into a bloke
who 
was decended from the original "Ghans". They were the people who
introduced 
the Camel Trains to Oz. Very different to the people who come to Oz from

his traditional homeland today. I would be running my Semi-Trailer
"Roun' 
Town" and he was doing similiar hours running InterState Sydney -
Brisbone. We 
would be unloading at the same docks in the middle of the night.

    He used to fly a very pretty Atkinson, that he bought new in 1973.
When 
the original Gardner (Mancunian ) donk got tired, he picked up what must

have been the very last of the Rolls-Royce Sixes available in Oz as a
Spare 
Part ( I think they might have been sold by DeHavilland in Oz)  and
stuck that 
between the rails.

    As an OT comment, from memory,  the Gardner just never had enough 
grunt, so when it got tired after about 9 years and at least a million
miles or 
more ( or two Million) he overhauled everything and dropped the New
Roller in 
between the rails. I don't think the Roller made any more than 250 HP.
Or 
less. It just kept going and going and going, going, going, going and
going,  
 JUST like his Afghan  forebears when they were contracted to bring
their 
Camels to Oz. 

   The time came when they had to buy Trucks to do the same job, so they

turned their Camels loose. That was the start of the Ozzy wild Camel
Herd. 
Apparently a while back our Ozzie Camels, the wild ones, were the best
in the 
world. The Arabs had got theirs all InBred ( you know, five legged and
two 
headed).  This Rat Bag I met in the late 70's had done some time on a
Camel 
Shooting Contract over in WA. It had been decided that the Camels had to
be 
Culled.

   These lunatics had got a hold of a Civilinatised Irouquois eggbeater
and 
an eight wheel drive fuel truck. In about 4 months, their seven man
AirCrew 
gave the WA Camel population the Holocaust via .458 Magnums.   This has
got 
a bit dark here, just trying to lay some facts down.

    A bird I got a bit chummy with back over 15 years ago had a Best
Friend 
( of the female persuasion) who had crossed Oz with Camels. It was
written 
up in the National Geoghrapic who might have put up some dough. The
article 
might be now almost 30 years old now. To do that trip she needed some 
intelligent assistants.  Camels were perfect. 

     Horses look at you and first ask the question "Are we ( the Humans
), 
going to EAT Them, ( The Horses). Once they figure out that they are not
for 
Dinner, they set out to eat grass and chat up the sheilas. They only
work 
with Humans because it is FUN. Further OT my DAD should be contacted
here. I 
have seen the trailer loaded with Trusting Horses , on the way to the 
"Doggers". My Dad stopped one from getting on that trailer many years
ago.

   Dogs. They team up with humans because these days they have been bred
to 
do it. However I still like the theory that it was Dogs that civilised 
Humans. The Dog was trying to get through to these stupid Ape
derivatives, if 
you help me catch that animal over there with your fingers, we can share
it 
for dinner, otherwise I am going to have to eat you. The Humans caught
on. Now 
Dogs are Domesticated. Some Animal Psychologist can continue that line.

    Camels. A lot smarter that a Horse. If they think that you are a
dill, 
they will let you know. If they can form a proper working relationship
with 
humans to live a good life, they will do it, ON THEIR OWN TERMS. They
TRUST 
HUMANS with THEIR OWN LIFE, once humans have gained their trust. Camels
will 
stay with Humans in dificult circumstances long after it is logical to
them 
(the Camels) that their life may be in danger. They stress out like a 
Human.

  Anyway, this is why we had Camel Trains in Oz before Road Trains. 

   Glen,  a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels.
They 
are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms",
but 
it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the 
SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell.

    I am getting tired again, I shall deal with Aussie Camel Racing some

other time as well as Jim's P6b Repco-Holden Camel Rover.

    Glen, you need at least an acre to have a Camel at home, plus feed 
supplements and an exercise area. They chew their Cud, if you are not up
to 
their standard you shall wear a Cud. A shower for an hour shall be
required to 
remove it. Meanwhile they will build another one .....

     I hope the silliness ends here. My appologies for the OT, I just 
couldn't help it.


     Regards All,
                        Mark Jones. 
                                                

    P.S. I have just got to catch up and post some piccy's of my babies
in 
better times. 
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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Thu Mar 25 04:29:40 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:29:40 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
In-Reply-To: <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>
	<434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They 
>are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but 
>it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the 
>SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell."

There is really only one way to eat Emu.

Put a rock and an Emu in a pot, cook it for two hours, then throw away
the Emu. :-) 

OTOH, roo is delicious, I have roo burgers and roo sausages in the
freezer at the moment. 

Peter The Devil from Tassie
Cheers,

Peter H


From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Thu Mar 25 05:18:12 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:48:12 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
In-Reply-To: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>	<434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au>

Roo has almost no fat and contains little cholesterol.
Most common mistake in preparation is overcooking.
Medium rare with garlic and a light plum sauce ...... mmmmmmm.

Roos for human consumption are often farmed.

Wild roos are most likely to be infested with worm parasites.

BTW, the William Creek Hotel midway down the Oodnadatta track often displays "road kill" as it's cheapest menu option.
http://www.wrightsair.com.au/historywilliamcreek.htm

Cheers
Dave
South Oz

On 3/25/2010 6:59 PM, Peter Huttemeier wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>> Mark Jones noted, "Glen,  a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They
>> are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but
>> it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the
>> SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell."
>
> There is really only one way to eat Emu.
>
> Put a rock and an Emu in a pot, cook it for two hours, then throw away
> the Emu. :-)
>
> OTOH, roo is delicious, I have roo burgers and roo sausages in the
> freezer at the moment.
>
> Peter The Devil from Tassie
> Cheers,
>
> Peter H


From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Thu Mar 25 05:41:04 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:41:04 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT
In-Reply-To: <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au>
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	<4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:48:12 +1030, you wrote:


>
>BTW, the William Creek Hotel midway down the Oodnadatta track often displays "road kill" as it's cheapest menu option.

Trouble with road kill down here is you have to fight the Devils for
it.

Cheers,

Peter H


From phing at videotron.ca  Thu Mar 25 17:00:33 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
Message-ID: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>

Hi 

 I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a
record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , or
my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers ,
yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !!

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 17:48:43 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
In-Reply-To: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
Message-ID: <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Patrick,
In the Rovernet archives, I can see 44 Rovernet messages from?March 19.
Of those messages, 20 of them are either Glen (or me answering Glen) regarding his inability to receive?his own postings on the Rovernet.

Another?couple of members have observed irregularities of service compared to what they are used to.

I would entertain suggestions for another web hosting service which would carry the free "Mailman" software or would help install it. I am not confident in the one that I have. When I search for other web hosts, I?see a wide variety of experiences noted about one service or the other (mainly slagging some outfit or other). I think this is another case of "you get what you pay for".? 

I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet.

If you can suggest a service test for yourself, I'd be?happy to help.

Also, if anyone else in Roverdom who knows of a reliable and reasonably priced "reseller"?web host, I'd be very interested.? I need to be able to have a main domain or "account" and the ability to install about 7 or 8 other sub-domains using the same server space (shared server).

Eric
List Admin
?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:00:33 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??

Hi 

I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a
record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , or
my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers ,
yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !!

Thanks 

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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar 25 17:56:11 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:56:11 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
Message-ID: <757EBCF43EFF40AEBE85FB069E7E80FD@SN037535920331>

Its reached me but not necessarily intelligent life!!!!
Regards
Mark in Wolverhampton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??


> Hi
>
> I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a
> record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , 
> or
> my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers ,
> yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !!
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick
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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Thu Mar 25 18:29:03 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:29:03 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
In-Reply-To: <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
	<291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:


>
>I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet.

Eric,

I sent a message directly to Patrick, jic. I wonder if he has a spam
filter either at ISP level or PC, and Rovernet mail is being marked as
spam?

Can you tell from the logs if his address is bouncing?

I also suggested he try a web based email like Gmail for the Rovernet
for a while to see if that makes any difference.

Cheers,

Peter H


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 18:51:37 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
In-Reply-To: <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com>
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
	<291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Peter,
Thanks for the advice.
Patrick's Rovernet is not bouncing according to the server.

I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-(

Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts?

Eric


?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:29:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:


>
>I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet.

Eric,

I sent a message directly to Patrick, jic. I wonder if he has a spam
filter either at ISP level or PC, and Rovernet mail is being marked as
spam?

Can you tell from the logs if his address is bouncing?

I also suggested he try a web based email like Gmail for the Rovernet
for a while to see if that makes any difference.

Cheers,

Peter H

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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Thu Mar 25 19:45:38 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:45:38 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
In-Reply-To: <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
	<291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com>
	<348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT), Eric wrote:


>
>I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-(

>Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts?

ISPs ............. I have satellite broadband, or what passes for
broadband in Australia. I just ran a ZDnet test and it came back at
3600kbps, but it is usually slower than that. But that's the
theoretical speed, actual speed on the Net depends on so much. Here in
Oz of course it has to get across the pond in the first place.

But saying that, I always receive back my post to the Rovernet and it
is usually within a short time from sending.

Whether I receive everyone else's post of course I cant tell unless I
look at the history on the server, which I don't do very often. 

All I know is when someone posts a message about not receiving
anything for x days, usually it has not applied to me, there has been
traffic. The Net can be a weird place!!



Cheers,

Peter H


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 22:10:20 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
In-Reply-To: <fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com>
References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca>
	<291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com>
	<348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <342564.20808.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Peter,
Excellent tips.
Thanks for the information.

Eric

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 4:45:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT), Eric wrote:


>
>I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-(

>Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts?

ISPs ............. I have satellite broadband, or what passes for
broadband in Australia. I just ran a ZDnet test and it came back at
3600kbps, but it is usually slower than that. But that's the
theoretical speed, actual speed on the Net depends on so much. Here in
Oz of course it has to get across the pond in the first place.

But saying that, I always receive back my post to the Rovernet and it
is usually within a short time from sending.

Whether I receive everyone else's post of course I cant tell unless I
look at the history on the server, which I don't do very often. 

All I know is when someone posts a message about not receiving
anything for x days, usually it has not applied to me, there has been
traffic. The Net can be a weird place!!



Cheers,

Peter H

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From jLewis at wsscwater.com  Fri Mar 26 08:18:53 2010
From: jLewis at wsscwater.com (Lewis, Joseph (Michael))
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:18:53 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ??
Message-ID: <B263CD0849EEED4496950A6F1247AB6C07400C@COB-EXV-01.wssc.ad.root>

Patrick - I received your post.

 

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Hi 

 

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record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars ,
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***ers , yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !!

 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Fri Mar 26 22:40:50 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages...
In-Reply-To: <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com>
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>	<434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>	<4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au>
	<erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net>


After all of those test messages, I am back online.  More or less. I 
went to look at the archives to see what I had missed when I wasn't 
getting messages. I noticed that I have not received any of the 
"Videotron" series of messages. I currently have no spam filter on my 
computer, and the spam filter at my ISP is switched off. Don't know what 
this means unless Comcast won't even allow the mere mention of Videotron 
on its system. Just seems to me that something is behaving differently 
upstream in the Rovernet software.

Glen


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 26 22:56:45 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages...
In-Reply-To: <4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net>
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>
	<434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>
	<4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au>
	<erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com>
	<4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <705314.87253.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since I have no confidence in the web host for the Rovernet and all the other sites which spring from the same source, you have no?argument from me.

A CHEAP and RELIABLE web host with `reselling` option coupled with good customer service AND a good reputation in a Google search is as rare as `rocking horse poop`? :-)

Let me know if you know of a good web host.

The ship is not sinking but I am checking the lifeboats? :-)

Eric


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"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 7:40:50 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages...


After all of those test messages, I am back online.? More or less. I went to look at the archives to see what I had missed when I wasn't getting messages. I noticed that I have not received any of the "Videotron" series of messages. I currently have no spam filter on my computer, and the spam filter at my ISP is switched off. Don't know what this means unless Comcast won't even allow the mere mention of Videotron on its system. Just seems to me that something is behaving differently upstream in the Rovernet software.

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Mon Mar 29 07:55:59 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question
Message-ID: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>

According to the BBC:

"The Formula 1 racing driver, who was arrested on Friday, is expected to 
be charged with improper use of a vehicle.

"Mr Hamilton, who was in the country for the Australian Grand Prix, has 
apologised for his "over-exuberance".

"Mr Pallas criticised the 25-year-old British racing driver on the day 
that Victoria launched a Don't Be a Dickhead road safety campaign.

"Asked whether Lewis Hamilton met that description, he said: "OK, I'll 
say it. He's a dickhead."

"But Australian driver Mark Webber has defended his fellow competitor, 
saying his homeland had become a nanny state, with ridiculous parking 
and speeding rules."

What Hamilton did was spin his rear tires. Just how exuberant he was 
isn't clear in any of the reports.

So, Victoria actually have a government program called "Don't Be a 
Dickhead."  In the States, that term would be a reference to the male 
anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned 
crude in mixed company.  I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores 
rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see 
a government program with a name like that (or at least not 
intentionally). "Don't Be a Dickhead" would, at very least, be 
considered sexist since it doesn't seem possible for a female driving 
recklessly to be thinking with a bit of male genitalia.

Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, or 
is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign?

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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 11:15:49 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:15:49 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question
In-Reply-To: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble
with a creative use of profanity  than most other places.

I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal
connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of
idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who
have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to
"dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly
offensive.  but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a
slighlty admiring way

Aidrian



> In the States, that term would be a reference to the male
> anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned
> crude in mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores
> rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a
> government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally).


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 12:17:37 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now
	graphical language
In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
	<204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact Tom for details.

(This message contains Rover content? :-)

Eric


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"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question

Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble
with a creative use of profanity? than most other places.

I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal
connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of
idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who
have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to
"dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly
offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a
slighlty admiring way

Aidrian



> In the States, that term would be a reference to the male
> anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned
> crude in mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores
> rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a
> government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally).

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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Mon Mar 29 18:26:49 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
	now graphical language
In-Reply-To: <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
	<204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>
	<689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com>

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents.
>http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

>>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, or 
>>is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign?

Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now
put my hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen
on this topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers
Eric.

Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and
probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar
connotation. 

In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used
in almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored
advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is
"Don't be a bloody idiot".

In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work
colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but
he was more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced
himself as such. When I first started in the job I was always being
told, just wait until you meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet
this stupid person. 

Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing
about 15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in
those days could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-)



Cheers,

Peter H


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 22:54:07 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
	now graphical language
In-Reply-To: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com>
References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
	<204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>
	<689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 22:57:01 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
	now graphical language
In-Reply-To: <464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net>
	<204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com>
	<689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com>
	<464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com.
I guess more research is needed.

Eric

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979;
"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197


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From dirk at vy-tek.com  Tue Mar 30 15:45:14 2010
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:45:14 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47
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Message-ID: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2>

Hello All,

Lets get on to the subject about a FREE rover with Suicide doors!!! Who has
it and what is it????

Dirk 

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      (Eric Russell)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
	now	graphical language
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to
publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a
map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political
opponents.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should
talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern
California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact
Tom for details.

(This message contains Rover content? :-)

Eric


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dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question

Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a
creative use of profanity? than most other places.

I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal
connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy.
"Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these
tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to
"dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly
offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a
slighlty admiring way

Aidrian



> In the States, that term would be a reference to the male anatomy and 
> be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned crude in 
> mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores rooted 
> in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a 
> government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally).

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100
From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
	Question	now graphical language
Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7 at 4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to
publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a
map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political
opponents.
>http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

>>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, 
>>or is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign?

Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now put my
hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen on this
topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers Eric.

Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and
probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar
connotation. 

In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used in
almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored
advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is
"Don't be a bloody idiot".

In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work
colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but he was
more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced himself as such.
When I first started in the job I was always being told, just wait until you
meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet this stupid person. 

Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing about
15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in those days
could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-)



Cheers,

Peter H



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
	Question	now graphical language
Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm at web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in
Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for
some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other
postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
	<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
	Question	now graphical language
Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi,
By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also
arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com.
I guess more research is needed.

Eric

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not
dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
now graphical language

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in
Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for
some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other
postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197


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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 16:43:40 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47
In-Reply-To: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2>
References: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2>
Message-ID: <897949.65523.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check with Tom Trafton in southern California:
v8rover at earthlink.net

Eric


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"I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Dirk Burrowes <dirk at vy-tek.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:45:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47

Hello All,

Lets get on to the subject about a FREE rover with Suicide doors!!! Who has
it and what is it????

Dirk 

-----Original Message-----
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Today's Topics:

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? ? ? (Peter Huttemeier)
? 3. Re: Was: Australian Language Question??? now graphical language
? ? ? (Eric Russell)
? 4. Re: Was: Australian Language Question??? now graphical language
? ? ? (Eric Russell)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
??? now??? graphical language
Message-ID: <689917.16173.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to
publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a
map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political
opponents.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should
talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern
California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact
Tom for details.

(This message contains Rover content? :-)

Eric


?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not
dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question

Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a
creative use of profanity? than most other places.

I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal
connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy.
"Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these
tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to
"dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly
offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a
slighlty admiring way

Aidrian



> In the States, that term would be a reference to the male anatomy and 
> be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned crude in 
> mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores rooted 
> in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a 
> government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally).

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100
From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
??? Question??? now graphical language
Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7 at 4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to
publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a
map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political
opponents.
>http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/

>>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, 
>>or is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign?

Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now put my
hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen on this
topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers Eric.

Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and
probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar
connotation. 

In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used in
almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored
advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is
"Don't be a bloody idiot".

In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work
colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but he was
more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced himself as such.
When I first started in the job I was always being told, just wait until you
meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet this stupid person. 

Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing about
15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in those days
could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-)



Cheers,

Peter H



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
??? Question??? now graphical language
Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm at web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in
Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for
some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other
postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language
??? Question??? now graphical language
Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi,
By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also
arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com.
I guess more research is needed.

Eric

?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not
dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 



----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question
now graphical language

Peter,
Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in
Australia and your observation with the Rovernet.

Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for
some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other
postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation.

Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT

Eric
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dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197


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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 20:47:49 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC
Message-ID: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Roverists,

I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. 

The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. 

I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? 

Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! 

Nathan 


      


From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Wed Mar 31 03:36:26 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:36:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC
In-Reply-To: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87995.23662.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

P6's were always subject to clutch drag, particularly in reverse. I had a similar problem on my '66 car and was convinced it was the clutch but actually it turned out to be the slave cylinder. Often a few depressions 'pump it up' and allow you to engage/avoid creep only to return to inabaility to engage after a few minutes.

Try a bleed, then a new slave cyl before committing to gearbox out clutch strip scenario.


Alan Francis (partviking)




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To: NEW RovernetRovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 1:47:49
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC

Roverists,

I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. 

The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. 

I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? 

Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! 

Nathan 


      

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From bsaunders at firstva.com  Wed Mar 31 09:47:25 2010
From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC
In-Reply-To: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Nathan,
You may have a rusted disc that is stuck to the flywheel if the car won't go
into gear while the engine is running but shifts OK while off. This is a
problem that happens quite often on the Land Rovers with the 2.25 engine and
I have had it happen to other Rover models.
Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Nathan Obuch
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NEW RovernetRovernet
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC

Roverists,

I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and
discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the
engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then
starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. 

The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as
the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully
depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with
the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the
pedal is about 1/2 way up. 

I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is
causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any
thoughts? 

Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the
existing ones! 

Nathan 


      

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From TheOrganDoctor at aol.com  Wed Mar 31 15:07:35 2010
From: TheOrganDoctor at aol.com (TheOrganDoctor at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:35 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch Drag
Message-ID: <52390.44802152.38e4f777@aol.com>



 
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:47:25 -0400
From: "Ben Saunders"  <bsaunders at firstva.com>
To: "'The original list for Rover car  enthusiasts.'"
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re:  [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC
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It could be that you have  air in the clutch lines/cylinders. Try bleeding 
them.
-----Original  Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca  [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Nathan Obuch
Sent:  Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NEW RovernetRovernet
Subject:  [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000  TC

Roverists,

I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat  throughout the winter) and
discovered a new problem...it didn't want to  engage any gears with the
engine on. By engaging first (for example) with  the engine off and then
starting the car, I was able to move it around OK.  

The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe,  as
the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is  fully
depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a  problem with
the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs  when the
pedal is about 1/2 way up. 

I'm thinking that either the  disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and 
is
causing slight drag OR the  pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any
thoughts? 

Aargh, this  car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the
existing ones!  

Nathan 










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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 16:39:03 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1970 Rover 3500S
In-Reply-To: <3826-4BA42EFC-4682@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
References: <p6estate@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<3826-4BA42EFC-4682@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <s2k982f148d1003311339m87648c49gf144aeb91daadde6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Albert,
  Were you able to get through to Ruth at All British Cars?  She was a
little distracted during the Olympics, but has been pretty good to deal with
otherwise.
Garrett

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Albert Boasberg <ABoasberg at webtv.net>wrote:

> Dear Mark:
>
> I am looking for an oil pressure sending unit for this car.
>
> The part requested is for the guage, not for the dashboard warning
> light.
>
> I also need the round Viking  badge or decal that mounts in the center
> of the boot lid.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Albert
>
>
> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 31 17:55:42 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No messages
In-Reply-To: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>
References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com>	<434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4BB3C4DE.3050903@comcast.net>

I have to go to the archives to see what's going on with Rovernet. I am 
not receiving messages, again, and don't know if this one will go through.

Glen


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 31 18:03:47 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No messages 2
Message-ID: <4BB3C6C3.3070106@comcast.net>

My post showed up in archives, but I received no copy to my address.


From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 18:22:21 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag
Message-ID: <300724.18321.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your replies, gents.  It's definitely not the disc rusted stuck to the flywheel thing (that causes a similar symptom, but in that case the clutch would not disengage at all... this disengages almost completely i.e. if you start the car in gear with the clutch depressed it won't lurch forward by itself like a car with a stuck clutch.) It doesn't even have a creeping problem. I guess I will double check the hydraulics to make sure there's enough travel before digging into the clutch mechanicals. 

Nathan 


      


From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Mar 31 18:28:24 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:28:24 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] crosshairs
Message-ID: <4BB3CC88.6030907@comcast.net>

Eric,

Most of us in the USA know that anything north of the 48th parallel is 
Canada's responsibility, and that includes Sara Palin. She's yours. 
You're welcome. And recently we found out she was going to BC for health 
care, anyway. I think that if we ever saw her birth certificate, it 
would be Canadian. Not only that, but her husband was active in a 
secessionist group. I think they are Canadian sleepers planted years ago 
when oil was discovered in Alaska as part of the Canadian version of 
Manifest Destiny. Just remember: If you take Alaska, you also get Sarah 
and the family.


From rovercarwilson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 22:32:09 2010
From: rovercarwilson at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes...
Message-ID: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just testing, again. I can't subscribe via my Gmail or GoDaddy email accounts. I can send but not receive on my Comcast account. 

Thisis from an old Yahoo Mail account, but I don't see any option for setting it to plain text.

So, here goes.  Testing, again.

Glen



      
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From rovercarwilson at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 22:35:20 2010
From: rovercarwilson at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes...
In-Reply-To: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <687929.55889.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It works.  If only I wanted a Yahoo Mail account. You have to pay them $20 a year to have mail forwarded to a POP account.





________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercarwilson at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 10:32:09 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes...

Just testing, again. I can't subscribe via my Gmail or GoDaddy email accounts. I can send but not receive on my Comcast account. 

Thisis from an old Yahoo Mail account, but I don't see any option for setting it to plain text.

So, here goes.  Testing, again.

Glen



      
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