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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 08:12:51 2010 From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:12:51 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] brake pressure failure switch Message-ID: <BAY119-W1561F3CE0214F130A5C5DBDE3C0@phx.gbl> Hi again.... I answered my own question by taking the switches apart.......... while dimensionally the same the innards are different so i'll just get new seals for mine and clean it up Thanks Bill _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Windows? phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9708122 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, hear you soon, GR. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100302/1bb6b58a/attachment.html> From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 18:01:00 2010 From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:01:00 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons Message-ID: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl> Hi ...i have a chap needs a .020 over piston for his 2000TC........anyone have a spare lying around Thanks Bill Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100302/6ac6b3d1/attachment.html> From pjemail at aol.com Wed Mar 3 09:21:42 2010 From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl> References: <BAY119-W1031C38B4E9DAEB2009349DE3B0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <8CC88F3FB0638B8-363C-FFAF@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> I am not sure whether this is a request for a single piston or a set of 4 pistons. Do you know if it is a 9:1 or 10: compression ratio piston? Regards, Pierre Janusz -----Original Message----- From: Bill Robertson <rover2000nut at hotmail.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:01 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC pistons Hi ...i have a chap needs a .020 over piston for his 2000TC........anyone have a spare lying around Thanks Bill Robertson IM on the go with Messenger on your phone. Try now. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100303/cfc98505/attachment.html> From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Wed Mar 3 16:16:37 2010 From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:16:37 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston Message-ID: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> Hi Pierre..... The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone i have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons for this car but they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the one seized piston out of the original block . Thanks Bill _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100303/4a48c8cf/attachment.html> From Pjemail at aol.com Wed Mar 3 18:02:12 2010 From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:02:12 EST Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston Message-ID: <334e9.34a4d532.38c04474@aol.com> Dear Bill, It sounds as though they might need to consider re-boring it out to a larger size. I will look to see if I have any +0.020" ones in 10:1, but if not I probably have a set of +0.030" ones. Regards, Pierre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know what else to try. HELP. Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada. From vmitps at netspace.net.au Wed Mar 3 23:06:56 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:06:56 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb In-Reply-To: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> References: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista> Sounds like the butterfly venturi low pressure feed is blocked. I suspect high pressure air is the go to unblock. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Malinda Walsh" <smwalsh at shaw.ca> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb > Working on my 67 P6. I have the later HS* carbs that replaced the > original HD8. Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs > were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in > the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and > cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. > I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall > correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air > hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots > around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know > what else to try. HELP. > Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada. > From smwalsh at shaw.ca Wed Mar 3 23:12:44 2010 From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:12:44 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb In-Reply-To: <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista> References: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista> Message-ID: <4B8F333C.1020004@shaw.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100303/adfecc69/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Wed Mar 3 23:18:42 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:18:42 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb In-Reply-To: <4B8F333C.1020004@shaw.ca> References: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista> <4B8F333C.1020004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1D351D47498C412CA861E37F94953BEC@Vista> There is a small hole (like really small) where the butterfly closes. It is on the top side, but not in the middle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve & Malinda Walsh To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb I am a novice Rover owner, where exactly would I find the low pressure feed.? I do have high pressure air. Netspace wrote: Sounds like the butterfly venturi low pressure feed is blocked. I suspect high pressure air is the go to unblock. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Malinda Walsh" <smwalsh at shaw.ca> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb Working on my 67 P6. I have the later HS* carbs that replaced the original HD8. Getting it running again after a 6 year slumber. The carbs were rebuilt before the car went into storage. The jets were stuck in the bearing and I managed to free them after taking them apart and cleaning. Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise. I did center the jets upon reassembly and the pistons lift and fall correctly when operated with my finger . I have checked the tiny air hole on the piston and it is clear. I even switched piston/dashpots around and it seems that the problem is in the carb body. Don't know what else to try. HELP. Steve W-Abbotsford BC Canada. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 19:34:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100304/593d8144/attachment.html> From smwalsh at shaw.ca Wed Mar 3 23:27:54 2010 From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:27:54 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb In-Reply-To: <1D351D47498C412CA861E37F94953BEC@Vista> References: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> <678A4BD2D894438F87480FF4627F5F2C@Vista> <4B8F333C.1020004@shaw.ca> <1D351D47498C412CA861E37F94953BEC@Vista> Message-ID: <4B8F36CA.6090603@shaw.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100303/09fdfc72/attachment-0001.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Thu Mar 4 01:13:16 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 06:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sticky HS8 Carb In-Reply-To: <4B8F2C2A.7000303@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1073349555.10655741267683196674.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Steve, The pistons/suction chamber (dome)? are factory matched and should not be switched! Now, there is no saying that they were not switched in the past. To test for a correct match, first plug the small holes in the bottom of the piston with masking tape or small rubber plugs. Fit the piston and the chamber together without the spring . Through one of the mounting holes, fit a flat washer with a nut and bolt to hold it in place. You want the washer to extend into the opening of the chamber to prevent the piston from falling out. Be certain that the piston is fully home in the chamber. Invert the assembly so that the piston falls and contacts the washer. Oops, forgot to tell you, that you do want the dampener in place. Check the time for the piston to fall. It should be between 5 and 7 seconds. If it exceeds this time check for oil, dirt or damage. Sometimes a piston that is rubbing a little can be fixed with some very fine emery cloth on the chamber or working it up and down using Bon Ami as an abrasive compound. You want them very clean and dry when you reassemble them. One last thought, check the dampener, too. there is a one way check valve built into it. Good luck with them. I will follow you progress. Slats -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100304/d24317d4/attachment.html> From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Thu Mar 4 01:40:03 2010 From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carbs Message-ID: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net> Hi - If by "Now my problem is that one of the carb pistons will not raise" you mean that the piston doesn't rise with the engine running, here goes: Basic: The pistons do not control airflow - that is the throttle plate's job. The pistons rise in response to airflow past them, so if the piston is not seized, no movement means it has no airflow. The rising piston lifts the needle out of the jet in proportion to said airflow, giving correct mixture. Problem: If this is at idle only, then the idle speed screws are not set evenly = idle not synchronized. If this is at any throttle opening above idle, the throttle linkage is maladjusted. If it acts the same at wide open, that carb is simply not connected = REALLY maladjusted.. Idle speed screws on HS are little screws with springs around them, which are adjustable stops for how far the throttle is open when at rest. Move the linkage and observe the motion, you should soon see them in the carb body about 3/4" out from the shafts. As baseline, both screws should be screwed in about 1 1/2 or two turns from just opening the throttle. Two turns normally gives too much idle speed, but might be necessary at starting before you get things close. Adjust as needed for desired idle speed, but keep them even. HD are completely different, big screws that actually adjust an idle air bypass passage, rather than moving throttles. The throttle synch adjustment on Rover TC is labyrinthine and variable by version, but above idle both carbs should open together, possibly with one slightly leading the other (versions again!). The delay mechanism is the slotted cam plate/roller arrangement in the linkage between carbs. If the plastic roller is broken, worn, or missing, it is very hard to figure out if you are not familiar with it. Never could figure out why they did this; some Jag and even MG sedans did also - evidently something to do with getting a heavy car moving with proper decorum. I either make parts or convert to a solid coupling like all other twin SU sets. If the thing was set up incorrectly with the roller in place and the roller has gone on holiday, the second carb won't begin to open until about half throttle. My book, bought in 71 to go with my 68 I bought then, does not cover the HS arrangement, though that's what the car has! If need be I can go dig out some carb sets and tell you more; really helps if you have a pitcher donchaknow. Should you be inclined to send me a picture of your linkage betwixt carbs, I might be able to sort it over the phone as a manner of speaking, but please do not send several over resolution pics at once - I have the world's worst dialup tin can & string gizmo, and you will screw my phone/email/internet. One at a time please! FRM From suzieq at senet.com.au Thu Mar 4 02:06:03 2010 From: suzieq at senet.com.au (Sue and Shaun McKenzie) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au> Hi all JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au A friend recently used them with great success. Kind regards, Shaun Bill Robertson wrote: > Hi Pierre..... > > The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by > someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone i > have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out > since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons for this car but > they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the one > seized piston out of the original block . > Thanks > Bill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone > <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712961> From den at aachenkennels.com Thu Mar 4 03:19:59 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:19:59 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> Interesting you mention them Shaun I just used them to make a set of +40 pistons for my 1947 Rover 16 engine. They do a superb job and as you say will ship worldwide. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Sue and Shaun McKenzie Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:06 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston Hi all JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au A friend recently used them with great success. Kind regards, Shaun Bill Robertson wrote: > Hi Pierre..... > > The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by > someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone i > have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out > since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons for this car but > they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the one > seized piston out of the original block . > Thanks > Bill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone > <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712961> From smwalsh at shaw.ca Thu Mar 4 03:39:37 2010 From: smwalsh at shaw.ca (Steve & Malinda Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:39:37 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carbs In-Reply-To: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net> References: <4B8F55C3.7000704@usachoice.net> Message-ID: <4B8F71C9.10604@shaw.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100304/5ff943db/attachment.html> From suzieq at senet.com.au Thu Mar 4 05:28:29 2010 From: suzieq at senet.com.au (Sue and Shaun McKenzie) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:58:29 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <4B8F8B4D.4010508@senet.com.au> Hi Dennis The Rover Car Club of South Aust were the last group to do a tour of this factory before the madness of public liability and OHS laws stopped any further groups visiting. This is a real shame. Kind regards, Shaun Dennis Gallacher wrote: > Interesting you mention them Shaun I just used them to make a set of > +40 pistons for my 1947 Rover 16 engine. They do a superb job and as you > say will ship worldwide. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On Behalf Of Sue and Shaun McKenzie > Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:06 PM > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston > > Hi all > JP Piston are based in Adelaide, South Australia. They make pistons for > most Rovers and ship all over the world. www.jp.com.au > A friend recently used them with great success. > Kind regards, > Shaun > > Bill Robertson wrote: >> Hi Pierre..... >> >> The chap who needs it is having the motor rebuilt by >> someone else so he has no clue........i have not seen it but everyone > i >> have had or broke apart has been a 10.1..... i am trying to find out >> since i gave them a block and a set of 10.1 pistons for this car but >> they have MISPLACED or LOST EVERYTHING and are now trying to get the > one >> seized piston out of the original block . >> Thanks >> Bill >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Don't miss a beat Get Messenger on your phone >> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712961> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From den at aachenkennels.com Thu Mar 4 05:33:26 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:33:26 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> <4B8F8B4D.4010508@senet.com.au> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local> Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April. I will be there. [Regards. Den Gallacher] From den at aachenkennels.com Thu Mar 4 07:21:19 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:21:19 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] (no subject) Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081FA3@Server.adoptsec.local> Interesting to see how much this old chap goes for?. http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent= EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4552182&iSaleNo=18209&iSaleSect ionNo=2 Kind Regards. Den Gallacher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100304/81a9c236/attachment-0001.html> From giannid at bigpond.com Thu Mar 4 08:21:34 2010 From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 00:21:34 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> <4B8F8B4D.4010508@senet.com.au> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <76281AD9-746B-4D97-BB2B-8278864AEA70@bigpond.com> I'll be going, probably with the P3 6 light if I finish the replacement of the rear springs interesting job! very challenging to get the whole mechanism working again planning to meet several other P3s and a P4 in Bordertown, enroute from Victoria Cheers Gianni Gianni D'Ortenzio 1948 P3 4 light 1949 P3 6 light 1969 P5BC 1971 P6B 2004 Landrover Defender On 04/03/2010, at 9:33 PM, Dennis Gallacher wrote: > Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April. > > I will be there. > > > > [Regards. Den Gallacher] > From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Thu Mar 4 09:44:17 2010 From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Walsh carb 2 + archive Message-ID: <4B8FC741.9010605@usachoice.net> I see there is a message from Steve, with no content on the digest, but a scrubbed HTML attachment. By the timing, this may be a reply/pic to my message. I clicked on the link and find the password protected Archive. I, of course, have no idea what if any user/password I ever may have used for this - my usual does not work here. Steve, if it is a message to me, send it direct to my email. FRM From roverman2 at verizon.net Thu Mar 4 15:32:53 2010 From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:32:53 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons Message-ID: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> Hi Bill, I have a set of brand new 20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC. Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are interested . I don't want to break the set. Dermot Harvey Spectral Kinetics From ilcommodor at aol.com Thu Mar 4 15:59:20 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons In-Reply-To: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 manual five-speed box? Jamie Kitman Nyack, NY -----Original Message----- From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons Hi Bill, I have a set of brand new 20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC. Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are interested . I don't want to break the set. Dermot Harvey Spectral Kinetics From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Mar 4 18:20:13 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:20:13 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] National Rove In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <BAY119-W502F36B6F93FAFEF33F4D5DE3A0@phx.gbl> <4B8F5BDB.8040004@senet.com.au><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F95@Server.adoptsec.local> <4B8F8B4D.4010508@senet.com.au> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081F9F@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <0qf0p59qt7ihm4mcovpqf3dbc91d092b0p@4ax.com> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:33:26 +0900, you wrote: >Just wondering who from the group will be in South Oz in April. Not necessarily from this group, but around 12 cars expected to go from Victoria, plus two to three RCCA members from here in Tasmania as well. Unfortunately I wont be going. But as I have an MGZTT and also a member of MGCC I would have dual allegiances. As well as Rove it is the annual get together of MG Clubs of Australia at the same time, same place. Cheers, Peter Huttemeier Webmaster Rover Car Club of Australia Inc http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/ From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Thu Mar 4 19:08:50 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Nat Rove 2010 In-Reply-To: <mailman.101.1267705287.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.101.1267705287.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W42148E9DC22DA9428913938E380@phx.gbl> I will be there coming from Northern New York (near the Canada border). James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100304/9c4d5465/attachment.html> From dmesmg at juno.com Thu Mar 4 21:41:58 2010 From: dmesmg at juno.com (dmesmg at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] value of UK spec Series II P6B auto Message-ID: <20100304.214158.2144.0.dmesmg@juno.com> Hello, Could some of our UK members offer some guidance on the approximate value(possible range) of a late P6B automatic? I am now based in the US but was wondering what the correct approximate range is for the following: A few details include: 1975--late, P-reg 451-series car. overall very good body --minor previous welding for MoT, but overall a very good base unit very good but not show quality paint (scarab blue) vinyl roof very presentable but not not show chrome leather seats overall good, carpeting might want replacement under 80,000 miles and original engine runs well--but has not had major attention autobox (BW65) rebuild at 60K miles. Car has been nicely maintained and has good brakes, suspension, exhaust. Located in Devon-Cornwall area. All in all, it is a well looked after car that has seen some use. Are post-'73 cars seen as less desirable than the earlier tax exempt examples--and is this reflected in prices? Thanks in advance, Dan ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=znsqOVcZdrn7YIQ0ek_m2gAAJ1D-XfDw-QK7gtBBLem7vPopAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From den at aachenkennels.com Thu Mar 4 21:53:25 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:53:25 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 110. for restoration. Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081FAC@Server.adoptsec.local> Looks an easy job, but then they all are before you start... I have often advised that the easiest part of any restoration project is buying it..... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190376638887&ssPag eName=ADME:B:EF:AU:1123 Kind Regards. Den Gallacher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100305/b282bcc6/attachment.html> From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Fri Mar 5 08:02:13 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:02:13 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust order [was 200TC Pistons] In-Reply-To: <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> Jamie, Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within the next week or two. We currently have several Rover people participating and have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of different Rover models, and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or container to Fitchburg, Massachusetts. Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that there are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems: 1) small bore for 1968 - 74 automatic cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for manual (UK 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a single pipe further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars (this has the same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic system.) It also matters which manifolds you have -- those off the original NADA 3500S have a smaller exit opening, where as those off the UK 3500S manual car have a larger opening. (I don't know if later SD1 or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but that would add another layer of possibilities.) I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your car, but hopefully someone else can confirm. If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust order, I can send more details off-line. We have negotiated some good prices, and the exchange rate has been more favorable lately... --Steve Manwell ilcommodor at aol.com wrote: > can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust > system that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a > LT77 manual five-speed box? > > > > Jamie Kitman > Nyack, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons > > Hi Bill, > > I have a set of brand new 20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC. > Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are > interested > . I don't want to break the set. > > Dermot Harvey > Spectral Kinetics > > > > > > From ABoasberg at webtv.net Fri Mar 5 20:46:24 2010 From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed In-Reply-To: Sue and Shaun McKenzie <suzieq@senet.com.au>'s message of Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030 Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S. Thanks. Albert From bsaunders at firstva.com Sat Mar 6 08:18:56 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:18:56 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed In-Reply-To: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: Sue and Shaun McKenzie <suzieq@senet.com.au>'s message of Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:36:03 +1030 <4480-4B91B3F0-1395@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <810E0B9448AA48358C12E0D3D85F075B@sd1> Where are you located? I have one that will need to be rebuilt if you want it. Ben -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Albert Boasberg Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:46 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S. Thanks. Albert From ABoasberg at webtv.net Sat Mar 6 13:05:24 2010 From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:05:24 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed In-Reply-To: "Ben Saunders" <bsaunders@firstva.com>'s message of Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <21567-4B929964-520@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Hi Ben: I am in San Francisco. I would prefer to have one that is already rebuilt, if possible. Thanks and with best regards. Albert From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sat Mar 6 21:39:06 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:39:06 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed. In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W46AAAA042082DBE7941AB68E360@phx.gbl> > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800 > From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car > enthusiasts.) > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed > Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395 at storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S. > > Thanks. > > Albert WP 58108 (with airconditioning) http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58108_0267398282&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030 WP 58107 (w/o airconditioning) http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58107_0267398283&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030 The above are NAPA part numbers, for a Buick Skylark, 1962 215 ci water pump. I know that a Rover 3500 water pump can go on a Buick Skylark Motor. A friend of my fathers, had his Buick Skylark break down in Melbourne years ago, with a very leaky water pump, and purchased a Rover V8 water pump to get it back on the road quickly. The NAPA part number cross to the Cardone numbers. The part number for the water pump gasket is the same for the Rover 3500 and the Buick Skylark. So you could take off your water pump and compare with what NAPA can order in the store. Someone on here must know if they can be substituted. OReilly's carry these as well. James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100306/b881d546/attachment.html> From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Mar 7 01:45:43 2010 From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:45:43 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/rover-p6-t11210.htm Rudiger www.RoverP6.info From DevlinS at bp.com Sun Mar 7 01:49:59 2010 From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:49:59 -0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> It's probably Patrick Hiron -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of RoverP6 at gmx.de Sent: 07 March 2010 06:46 To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro ver-p6-t11210.htm Rudiger www.RoverP6.info From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Mar 7 03:42:08 2010 From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500 References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl><1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Message-ID: <99443F62E94B4C57829885D65511E84C@rw> Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built by Leykor / SA): http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg A SA colour? Rudiger www.RoverP6.info From kkinard at att.net Sun Mar 7 08:35:39 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:35:39 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4B93ABAB.8020501@att.net> Hi Netters, Time for my periodic caution about water pumps. The P5B/P6B application is unique. Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B. Roverly, Kent K. James Radcliffe wrote: > I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ > Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps. > > http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/> From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 11:34:50 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:34:50 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. Message-ID: <SNT105-W3012A85ABC6BABDED9BDBE8E360@phx.gbl> Hi Netters, >Time for my periodic caution about water pumps. The P5B/P6B application >is unique. Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early >front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover >entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require >conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will >not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B. > >Roverly, >Kent K. > >James Radcliffe wrote: >> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ >> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps. >> >> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm >> I see what you mean about the flanges being different. If the shaft size is the same, could you press them both out, and put the 3500 S flange onto the remanufactured Buick pump? Some NAPA stores are next to a machine shop, so you could it all done in one visit. Some mechanics have a presses in their workshop who could change it over. I suspect this is what John Hoffman did with his Buick when he had to change it in a hurry. Even if they charge 20 dollars to press out, it would still be a cheap water pump for a Rover 3500S. Cardone do list the Rover 3500S as being a rebuild and return option. You do have to take off the pump you have, send it to them, and then it comes back in a couple of weeks. NAPA act as an agent for Cardone, so you can drop it off there. However I did try this on my Rover 2000 water pump, and they could not do it. However you would probably have more luck with the Rover 3500 S water pump. James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100307/de9d1cf1/attachment.html> From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 17:07:23 2010 From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:07:23 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500 In-Reply-To: <99443F62E94B4C57829885D65511E84C@rw> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl><1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw>, <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>, <99443F62E94B4C57829885D65511E84C@rw> Message-ID: <BAY120-W166E1402A48E8C12F1C14B8360@phx.gbl> >From memory Leykor was never a huge fan of metallic colours and they tended to follow the UK colour palette with its characteristic dedication to solid colours. I fact I can't remember ever seeing any Leykor product in metallic. Suggest googling "austin apache" - there's a UK based website dedicated to this Leykor product and the site owner appears to have a large body of knowledge about Leykor - which may include its use of colours. > From: RoverP6 at gmx.de > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100 > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500 > > > Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built by > Leykor / SA): > > http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg > > http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg > > A SA colour? > > Rudiger > www.RoverP6.info > > _________________________________________________________________ Get personal with Windows. Download a free gift for your PC. http://experience.windows.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100307/5e64e7e9/attachment.html> From maxthorne at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 18:09:58 2010 From: maxthorne at hotmail.com (Max Thorne) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:09:58 +1000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8 - Water Pump for V8 In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1267981235.10626.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.1.1267981235.10626.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT102-DS6E3D46D5D5176A6EAF18BB1360@phx.gbl> Hi there If you are prepared to go as far as the UK to buy, Rimmer Bros (and I'm sure Wadhams and others) have the correct type water pumps for around $100 plus freight. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID000377 Delivery time is only a few days to Australia/New Zealand so it might be the same to the States? Max Brisbane -------------------------------------------------- From: <rovernet-request at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:00 AM To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8 > Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to > rovernet at rovernet.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rovernet-request at rovernet.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." > > > Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to > which you are referring. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Water Pump Needed (Albert Boasberg) > 2. Water Pump Needed. (James Radcliffe) > 3. Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. (James Radcliffe) > 4. NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? (RoverP6 at gmx.de) > 5. Re: NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? > (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)) > 6. South Africa assembled P6 3500 (RoverP6 at gmx.de) > 7. Re: Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. (Kent Kinard) > 8. Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 parts. (James Radcliffe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:05:24 -0800 > From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car > enthusiasts.) > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed > Message-ID: <21567-4B929964-520 at storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Ben: > > I am in San Francisco. > > I would prefer to have one that is already rebuilt, if possible. > > Thanks and with best regards. > > Albert > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:39:06 -0500 > From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed. > Message-ID: <SNT105-W46AAAA042082DBE7941AB68E360 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:46:24 -0800 >> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca (The original list for Rover car >> enthusiasts.) >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump Needed >> Message-ID: <4480-4B91B3F0-1395 at storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> >> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >> >> I am looking for a water pump for my 1970 Rover 3500S. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Albert > > WP 58108 (with airconditioning) > http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58108_0267398282&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030 > > WP 58107 (w/o airconditioning) > > http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=WP_58107_0267398283&An=599001+101962+50008+2008030 > > The above are NAPA part numbers, for a Buick Skylark, 1962 215 ci water > pump. I know that a Rover 3500 water pump can go on a Buick Skylark Motor. > A friend of my fathers, had his Buick Skylark break down in Melbourne > years ago, with a very leaky water pump, and purchased a Rover V8 water > pump to get it back on the road quickly. The NAPA part number cross to the > Cardone numbers. > > The part number for the water pump gasket is the same for the Rover 3500 > and the Buick Skylark. So you could take off your water pump and compare > with what NAPA can order in the store. Someone on here must know if they > can be substituted. > > OReilly's carry these as well. > > > James. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100306/d7861aca/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 22:57:40 -0500 > From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 > parts. > Message-ID: <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ Buick > V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps. > > http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100306/b881d546/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:45:43 +0100 > From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on > Rovernet? > Message-ID: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27 at rw> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/rover-p6-t11210.htm > > > Rudiger > www.RoverP6.info > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:49:59 -0000 > From: "Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)" <DevlinS at bp.com> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on > Rovernet? > Message-ID: > <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2 at bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > It's probably Patrick Hiron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On Behalf Of RoverP6 at gmx.de > Sent: 07 March 2010 06:46 > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? > > > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > ver-p6-t11210.htm > > > Rudiger > www.RoverP6.info > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:42:08 +0100 > From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] South Africa assembled P6 3500 > Message-ID: <99443F62E94B4C57829885D65511E84C at rw> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Wanted: any nfo about colours on SA assembled P6s, such as this one (built > by > Leykor / SA): > > http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_1.jpg > > http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/Rovering/Rover%20P6/SA_2.jpg > > A SA colour? > > Rudiger > www.RoverP6.info > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:35:39 -0600 > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover > V8 parts. > Message-ID: <4B93ABAB.8020501 at att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Netters, > Time for my periodic caution about water pumps. The P5B/P6B application > is unique. Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early > front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover > entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require > conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will > not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > James Radcliffe wrote: >> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ >> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps. >> >> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. >> <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:34:50 -0500 > From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Water Pump needed, and Rover V8 > parts. > Message-ID: <SNT105-W3012A85ABC6BABDED9BDBE8E360 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Netters, >>Time for my periodic caution about water pumps. The P5B/P6B application >>is unique. Other pumps (later Rover, GM, etc.) may bolt up to the early >>front cover (some don't, Range Rover uses a different front cover >>entirely) but will not accept the early Rover fan assembly and require >>conversion to a different fan and water pump pulley, most of which will >>not fit between the block and the radiator on a P6B. >> >>Roverly, >>Kent K. >> >>James Radcliffe wrote: >>> I just found this website for a company which specializes in Rover/ >>> Buick V8 parts, and they do have Water pumps. >>> >>> http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm >>> > > > I see what you mean about the flanges being different. If the shaft size > is the same, could you press them both out, and put the 3500 S flange onto > the remanufactured Buick pump? Some NAPA stores are next to a machine > shop, so you could it all done in one visit. Some mechanics have a presses > in their workshop who could change it over. I suspect this is what John > Hoffman did with his Buick when he had to change it in a hurry. Even if > they charge 20 dollars to press out, it would still be a cheap water pump > for a Rover 3500S. > > > > Cardone do list the Rover 3500S as being a rebuild and return option. You > do have to take off the pump you have, send it to them, and then it comes > back in a couple of weeks. NAPA act as an agent for Cardone, so you can > drop it off there. However I did try this on my Rover 2000 water pump, and > they could not do it. However you would probably have more luck with the > Rover 3500 S water pump. > > > > James. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100307/de9d1cf1/attachment-0001.html> > > End of Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8 > *************************************** > From roverman2 at verizon.net Sun Mar 7 21:25:35 2010 From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:25:35 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump Message-ID: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net> I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if the A/C works. I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump. Anyone know? Dermot Harvey Spectral Kinetics From kkinard at att.net Sun Mar 7 22:50:44 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:50:44 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump In-Reply-To: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net> References: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B947414.3050900@att.net> Hi Netters, I'm not sure there is anything particularly difficult about rebuilding the 3500S pump. The SD1 pumps and contemporary RR's with the same fan, require a special arbor for the press. We don't talk about this often enough for me to remember everything that has been said over the years. The 2000 pump uses a special bearing that is made of unobtainium. Ruth said someone in BC did a batch of 2000 bearings years back. Anyone remeber? I tried (not very hard) to get a batch of 2000 pumps rebuilt a year or so ago with no joy. Roverly, Kent K. Dermot Harvey wrote: > I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to > the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume > pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if > the A/C works. > I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump. Anyone > know? > > Dermot Harvey > Spectral Kinetics > > From pjemail at aol.com Mon Mar 8 04:14:40 2010 From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump In-Reply-To: <4B947414.3050900@att.net> References: <9A549C16-B814-4078-A3E1-AB92FF1EBC5F@verizon.net> <4B947414.3050900@att.net> Message-ID: <8CC8CB6EA8A6AAE-100C-1B902@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> Dear Kent, I have plenty of new water pumps for the 2000, and I don't think there is a real problem getting hold of the bearing. The problem if anything is the supply of new impellors, but in most cases you can save and re-use the original impellor by refacing the operating surface. Regards, Pierre Janusz -----Original Message----- From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 3:50 Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S water pump Hi Netters, I'm not sure there is anything particularly difficult about rebuilding the 3500S pump. The SD1 pumps and contemporary RR's with the same fan, require a special arbor for the press. We don't talk about this often enough for me to remember everything that has been said over the years. The 2000 pump uses a special bearing that is made of unobtainium. Ruth said someone in BC did a batch of 2000 bearings years back. Anyone remeber? I tried (not very hard) to get a batch of 2000 pumps rebuilt a year or so ago with no joy. Roverly, Kent K. Dermot Harvey wrote: > I concur with Kent about fitting other than original water pumps to > the 3500S. My understanding is that the 3500S requires a high volume > pump, because the car is prone to Summer overheating particularly if > the A/C works. > I don't know of a good reliable rebuilder for the 3500S pump. Anyone > know? > > Dermot Harvey > Spectral Kinetics > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100308/a0a9f932/attachment.html> From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 18:28:07 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:28:07 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Message-ID: <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> Interestingly the car seems to have a standard rear bumper rather than the Federal pattern - it doesn't seem to wrap around far enough at the sides for the . It has no side marker lamps or reflector units below the tail lamps along with some non standard "V8" badges on the front wings - did it get some 2000 parts at some time I wonder?. It's a very pretty car all the same. Black really suits a P6 > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > ver-p6-t11210.htm From phing at videotron.ca Mon Mar 8 19:27:40 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> Message-ID: <007801cabf1f$54bd3d60$fe37b820$@ca> Hi Who , or what is probably me ?? I can't open the link Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:50 AM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? It's probably Patrick Hiron -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of RoverP6 at gmx.de Sent: 07 March 2010 06:46 To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro ver-p6-t11210.htm Rudiger www.RoverP6.info From phing at videotron.ca Mon Mar 8 19:39:00 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:39:00 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> Hi OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " That's the way it came out of20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs properly! Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:28 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? Interestingly the car seems to have a standard rear bumper rather than the Federal pattern - it doesn't seem to wrap around far enough at the sides for the . It has no side marker lamps or reflector units below the tail lamps along with some non standard "V8" badges on the front wings - did it get some 2000 parts at some time I wonder?. It's a very pretty car all the same. Black really suits a P6 > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > ver-p6-t11210.htm From kkinard at att.net Mon Mar 8 20:02:47 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:02:47 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> Hi Aidrian, There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent. The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust. Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings. The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed. The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS. Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. Roverly, Kent K. Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > > ver-p6-t11210.htm > From vern at inkspotco.com Mon Mar 8 20:22:14 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:22:14 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> Message-ID: <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com> The last reference to NADA I have is the October 1969 Service Newsletter. After that, the Newsletters refer to either just "export" vs "home" markets or, occasionally, USA & Canada. I have seen NADA, with the same meaning, used elsewhere in British industy in the late 40s, so I suspect it was part of the language of the times, with the UK looking to export as much stuff as possible to reduce the war debt. Yours Vern On 2010-03-08, at 5:02 PM, Kent Kinard wrote: > Hi Aidrian, > There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent. The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust. Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings. The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed. The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS. > > Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > > > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: >> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro >> > ver-p6-t11210.htm >> > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 21:41:41 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:41:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <216114.27858.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> North America Dollar Area Eric ?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) ----- Original Message ---- From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 5:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? The last reference to NADA I have is the October 1969 Service Newsletter. After that, the Newsletters refer to either just "export" vs "home" markets or, occasionally, USA & Canada. I have seen NADA, with the same meaning, used elsewhere in British industy in the late 40s, so I suspect it was part of the language of the times, with the UK looking to export as much stuff as possible to reduce the war debt. Yours Vern On 2010-03-08, at 5:02 PM, Kent Kinard wrote: > Hi Aidrian, > There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent.? The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust.? Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings.? The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed.? The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS. > > Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS.? My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC.? Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again.? I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > > > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: >> http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro >> >? ver-p6-t11210.htm >>? > > Inkspot Type & Design??? 250?864?5619??? in at inkspotco.com __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 8 22:46:46 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> Message-ID: <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> Kent Kinard wrote: > Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back > about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory > changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. > Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing > over again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference > was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later > 1950's. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > In my opinion, this is always worth rehashing as it is one of my favorite recurring discussions. And, of course, the fact of the matter is that the V8 P6 sold in the USA and Canada is a FEDERAL 3500S. Don't even speak of NADA or NAS when referencing the V8 P6's sold on this side of the Atlantic. Some secretly believe that "Federal" has its root in new safety laws passed in Washington, but others always point out that Canada is a federation, as well. The real truth may never be known, which is what makes it such a good topic for discussion. My second favorite topic of discussion is the classic "Thank God for Eisenhower" thread, but Eric usually kicks me off the list for a month or two if I start that one up. Glen ;-) From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 8 23:26:14 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:26:14 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <216114.27858.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com> <216114.27858.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B95CDE6.90309@comcast.net> Eric Russell wrote: > North America Dollar Area > > Eric > The one thing it definitely has no relation to is the National Automobile Dealers Association, which is what uninitiated Americans seem to assume when first confronted with NADA designations. Glen From rovercar at comcast.net Tue Mar 9 00:05:40 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:05:40 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover In-Reply-To: <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> Message-ID: <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net> Patrick Hiron wrote: > Hi > OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " That's the > way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald > Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs properly! > Cheers > Patrick Ah, Patrick! One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle. I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg. http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm http://www.rubegoldberg.com/ Glen From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Mar 9 01:05:51 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:05:51 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B95CDE6.90309@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <16B0E0FD-C8D0-4E4A-B186-E63DDC4B11BF@inkspotco.com> <216114.27858.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B95CDE6.90309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <74F92387-EE8F-4694-857E-A111B0F53FD2@inkspotco.com> Just found a 1949 American newspaper article that talks about Britain devaluing the pound, with the result that bread has gone up in price because wheat comes from the "North American Dollar Area" Yours Vern On 2010-03-08, at 8:26 PM, Glen Wilson wrote: > Eric Russell wrote: >> North America Dollar Area >> >> Eric >> > > The one thing it definitely has no relation to is the National Automobile Dealers Association, which is what uninitiated Americans seem to assume when first confronted with NADA designations. > > Glen > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From ilcommodor at aol.com Tue Mar 9 10:32:07 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:32:07 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover In-Reply-To: <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com> speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w --- Original Message --- From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM > Patrick Hiron wrote: >> Hi OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " >> That's the >> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald >> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs >> properly! Cheers Patrick > > Ah, Patrick! One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition > of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle. > > I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg. > > http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm > > http://www.rubegoldberg.com/ > > Glen > From phing at videotron.ca Tue Mar 9 11:29:22 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:29:22 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover In-Reply-To: <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net> <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cabfa5$ad0670f0$071352d0$@ca> HI Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 miles away speaks a different dialect " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich . A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers design culture is based on a cartoonist named Heath Robinson whose crazy inventions were featured in Punch . Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Jamie Kitman Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w --- Original Message --- From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM > Patrick Hiron wrote: >> Hi OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " >> That's the >> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald >> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs >> properly! Cheers Patrick > > Ah, Patrick! One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition > of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle. > > I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg. > > http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm > > http://www.rubegoldberg.com/ > > Glen > From phing at videotron.ca Tue Mar 9 15:19:52 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> Message-ID: <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> Hi According to its Heritage certificate RVW is a genuine Federal P6B , shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious Friday afternoon cars built on the " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores ? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and the tea break is coming up " "principle. There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors. Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? Hi Aidrian, There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent. The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust. Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings. The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed. The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS. Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. Roverly, Kent K. Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > > ver-p6-t11210.htm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100309/3ef18a6a/attachment.html> From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Mar 9 16:38:47 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:38:47 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> Message-ID: <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear fenders. I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of reflectors. What year is the car? Yours Vern On 2010-03-09, at 12:19 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote: > Hi > > According to its Heritage certificate RVW is a genuine Federal P6B , shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious Friday afternoon cars built on the " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores ? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and the tea break is coming up " "principle. > > There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors. > > Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers > > Cheers > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? > > Hi Aidrian, > > There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent. The "unholy" rear > > wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to > > repair accident damage or rust. Rear badging is correct, but 3500S > > badges are missing from the front wings. The bonnet is correct, though > > the air cleaner has been changed. The brake system is definitely NAS > > with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely > > an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS > > car made to look like an NAS. > > Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back > > about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory > > changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. > > Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over > > again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was > > first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. > > Roverly, > > Kent K. > > > > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > > http://amateurdebeauxchars.forumactif.com/les-classiques-disparus-f13/ro > > > > ver-p6-t11210.htm > > > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100309/d7096b24/attachment.html> From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Tue Mar 9 17:19:13 2010 From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:49:13 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? In-Reply-To: <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> Message-ID: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable? From phing at videotron.ca Tue Mar 9 17:19:43 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <001401cabfd6$9e7fc280$db7f4780$@ca> Vern RVW is a 1970 model .Given the state of labour relations, rampant unionism and non existent quality control in the UK at the time I wouldn't think any one would have cared less about sticking the reflectors on an export car .It's strange that there are two P6bs without reflectors , or even the holes to install them in my neck of the woods . Perhaps the Canadian specs were different ?? As an expat Brit I tried to buy a Rover when I lived I Toronto in the late 1960s . The dealers were totally clueless and wouldn't have noticed minor details, or even an engine , were missing . Although I wore Union Jack underpants I gave up in disgust and bought a Volvo Amazon instead! Cheers Patrick From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Vern Klukas Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear fenders. I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of reflectors. What year is the car? Yours Vern On 2010-03-09, at 12:19 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote: Hi According to its Heritage certificate RVW is a genuine Federal P6B , shipped to Canada .It lurked in dealers showrooms for 18 months before finally being sold in Montreal . I have no idea where the short rear bumper came from . It's unlikely that some one would import a non Federal bumper into Canada to repair the car ?? There's certainly no evidence of accident damage to the structure.I suspect this may have been one of those notorious Friday afternoon cars built on the " Wot no federal bumpers in the stores ? well stuff on whatever we've got on hand , the boat leaves tomorrow and the tea break is coming up " "principle. There is another Federal P6B languishing in a junk yard near me . This also has a short rear bumper and no rear reflectors. Originality is a moveable feast when looking at Rovers Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:03 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? Hi Aidrian, There were some LHD NAS cars sold on the continent. The "unholy" rear wings without side markers and short bumper may have been added to repair accident damage or rust. Rear badging is correct, but 3500S badges are missing from the front wings. The bonnet is correct, though the air cleaner has been changed. The brake system is definitely NAS with the air valve on the master cylinder, so I'd say it is definitely an NAS 3500S that has been repaired and repainted rather than a Non-NAS car made to look like an NAS. Just as an aside, we had a substantial discussion several years back about the terms NADA and NAS. My recollection is that the factory changed their in house references beginning with the '68 2000TC. Everybody knows what we're talking about so it's not worth hashing over again. I don't recall if we ever decided when the NADA reference was first used by the factory, but it goes back at least to the later 1950's. Roverly, Kent K. 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They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable? > > *************** There is at least one owner of these in the Rover Club of South Australia. Judging by your email address, I suspect that you are in Adelaide, so if you are a member of the Rover Club of SA, have a look at the list which is printed once a year, it should tell you who owns that car, and I think it has contact details as well. I can't think of his name, although I have met him, he flies airplanes, and seemed to be a pretty good guy, so he should be able to help. James. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100309/a75cbd0f/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Tue Mar 9 18:24:45 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:24:45 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? In-Reply-To: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: <4B96D8BD.8070502@att.net> Hi Robert, I drove one once on our last trip to NZ (2005) and enjoyed it very much. We didn't get this model in US or Canada, but they were sold in LHD form in Mexico. Judging by the asking price of used examples in Mexico, they have held up rather well. I have drooled over them for years...so near and yet so far. We can't bring them into the US legally, but.... Roverly, Kent K. Robert Thornton wrote: > Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable? > > > > > > From peterhut at activ8.net.au Tue Mar 9 20:28:25 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:28:25 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? In-Reply-To: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: <kjsdp5lmbs2lbop28ju8vmore5uvfovbet@4ax.com> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:49:13 +1030, you wrote: > >Anyone on here know much about these, my brother's always liked the look of them and a 2.5 V6 has come up for sale nearby which he is seriously contemplating. They look very plush but are they mechanically reliable? It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars to buy. I have a MGZT Tourer, which is the more sporty version of the 75. There are two main things to look for. The engine needs regular belt changes, every 80,000ks or so. Also there is a problem with the original plastic/metal thermostat housing. It tends to split and leak. There are aftermarket replacements either full plastic or all metal. If the car has a good service history, by either the former MG Rover dealers or by someone who knows what they are doing, it is a good start. Because of the perception of an orphan these days the prices for good cars are low. There is quite a good email discussion group which I am manager for http://groups.google.com.au/group/rover75-mgzt-aus and is a good source of knowledge for these cars. There is also a UK club just for 75/ZTs. You may know the Australian Rove is in Adelaide this Easter. There will be a good fleet of 75s there, why not go along and have a talk with the owners and see for yourself. Cheers, Peter H From peterhut at activ8.net.au Tue Mar 9 20:35:54 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:35:54 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? In-Reply-To: <kjsdp5lmbs2lbop28ju8vmore5uvfovbet@4ax.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> <kjsdp5lmbs2lbop28ju8vmore5uvfovbet@4ax.com> Message-ID: <pntdp5ln6oba6olnjje63h805t1f3e6uee@4ax.com> > >It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars Meant to say "any car". PS here is a photo of mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/3806401686/in/set-72157623337983698/ Cheers, Peter H From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 00:04:54 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:04:54 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> Vern Klukas wrote: > The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear > fenders. I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported > that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of > reflectors. What year is the car? > > Yours > Vern I agree with you, Vern, but I do wonder if the specs on Canadian cars differed from the specs on USA cars. I'm sure that the intent was to make all Federal 3500S's identical so that they could be exported to either country, as needed. The reflectors were glued on, right? Would the car have been illegal without them in Canada? However, the lack of the larger bumper and even the lack of reflectors would have been a clear deviation from the automobile as advertised for sale across both counties. Patrick, my opinion is that your car is not as it left the factory. However, it is also my opinion that it has probably been improved from stock. These cars do look extraordinarily nice in black, which we know was not a factory color. Your deletion of the AED is also considered an improvement by many. The 2000-style bumper is somewhat sleeker, but it is not as strong as the 3500S bumper, so it looses from an engineering standpoint. When the car was repainted, I would not be the least bit surprised that the restorer left all of the reflectors off since they were 1) simply glued on 2) tended to clutter up the styling of the car 3) tended to fade with age and 4) were probably not easy to obtain in a pristine condition that matched the rest of the car. The bumper issue may also be a matter of styling preference on the part of the restorer. If there were ANY issues with the rear bumper such as rust or dents, an excellent 2000TC bumper would probably have been much easier to obtain and much less expensive. I would be curious to know if the fenders are actually 2000 fenders or 3500S fenders that have had the extra bumper attachment holes filled prior to painting. Reaching a hand up inside the fenders could probably answer that question. All of this is just anorak stuff because you already know that the car is absolutely beautiful even though it is in a non-factory color. If the paint is not original, and the air intake system is not original, who cares about the back fenders and bumpers? There's not a single person on this list who doesn't wish he owned your lovely car. As far as I am concerned, you'd better keep it in your garage and keep the garage locked because I'm only a few hundred miles south! Glen From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com Wed Mar 10 07:27:26 2010 From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:27:26 EST Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston Message-ID: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> Hi All, I'll add to this. Don't know the JP people at all (they are about a days drive - 24 hours - away ) but because they are on my Island, I would support them if I needed a rare set of slugs. I can see the time coming. My point, Simon Taylor from the Pommy Classic and Sports Car Magazine has a Bentley Sedanca. He blew it up a while back. ($$$ & % & ?, Pounds of Sterling ? WOT ). Stiff Upper Lip Required. A Master-Craftsman was engaged to restore the Engine. The Master set out to ReConstruct the propulsion device to a better than as new condition. Vibrations absent and Silent. A Perfect Engine. He chose Pistons from Adelaide. It was documented in the Magazine and should last at least 100 years to Infiniti if properly serviced and the correct fuels and lubricants can be supplied at the correct intervals. A true Classic, Simon is only Holding the Car for Future Custodians. Money, is of no consequence. I think his StoveBolt is in a similiar situation At that paragraph, I will alter the statement, it is Simon and His Wife who hold the Car(s). Don't know where it will get "providenced" to but the "Adelaide" Pistons are now part of its Fabric. A choice made by the Master-Craftsman Engine Re-Constructer. The Chronicles, (such as this) will provide a history of how good certain bits were, long after we are all gone and our Machines remain, held in new hands. That set of Adelaide Bentley Pistons have been well covered in the Pommy Magazine (and will be into the future). So you make your choice and then contemplate the risk for years to come. Economics come into play here and the Aussie Buck. It is not the "Pacific Peso" anymore. How much do you want to put into your treasures for future generations ? Can you trust them? ( The Future Generations.) . If you want to restore - refresh - preserve a device for future centuries, sounds to me like the Adelaide Piston Makers are there for us. I used to like Mahle for all my Buzzy engines but they were heavy. Seems to me that the Adelaide Pistons may give the best long Service. No Bias there, I'm a QUEENSLANDER. I have a couple of Cam suppliers that I preferred to use here in Brisbane and will always go back there first. That is my bit on the Adelaide Pistons. I hope that my basic thoughts on Philosophy are noted. I am a bit strung out at the moment. My Dad had a Quintupel Bypass and valve transplant yesterday. When I rang to check on him last night, the ICU put him ON THE PHONE. He is 76. If anyone wants to know more, contact off Rovernet. Regards, Mark Jones. P.S. I am writing to support new manufacturers of otherwise "UnObtainable " components. Here in SE Queensland we used to have an outfit called "NewFound Metals". they ran for about 15 years and then folded. They made all sorts of castings mainly non ferrous. I would love to go and commission some Rover bits but they are gone. MWJ. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/438a5f3c/attachment.html> From gbbourque at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 09:56:58 2010 From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC piston In-Reply-To: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> Message-ID: <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> Hello Rovernetters, That sounds like a good outfit over on the Pacific Rim!! I will keep them in mind!! Best of luck for your father's recovery, Mark! It sounds like he is off to a good start. Garrett in the USA On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <MarkCoorparoo at aol.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > I'll add to this. Don't know the JP people at all (they are > about a days drive - 24 hours - away ) but because they are on my Island, I > would support them if I needed a rare set of slugs. I can see the time > coming. > > My point, Simon Taylor from the Pommy Classic and Sports Car Magazine > has a Bentley Sedanca. He blew it up a while back. ($$$ & % & ?, Pounds of > Sterling ? WOT ). Stiff Upper Lip Required. > > A Master-Craftsman was engaged to restore the Engine. The Master set out > to ReConstruct the propulsion device to a better than as new condition. > Vibrations absent and Silent. A Perfect Engine. He chose Pistons from > Adelaide. > > It was documented in the Magazine and should last at least 100 years to > Infiniti if properly serviced and the correct fuels and lubricants can be > supplied at the correct intervals. A true Classic, Simon is only Holding the > Car for Future Custodians. Money, is of no consequence. I think his > StoveBolt is in a similiar situation > > At that paragraph, I will alter the statement, it is Simon and His Wife > who hold the Car(s). Don't know where it will get "providenced" to but the > "Adelaide" Pistons are now part of its Fabric. A choice made by the > Master-Craftsman Engine Re-Constructer. > > The Chronicles, (such as this) will provide a history of how good > certain bits were, long after we are all gone and our Machines remain, held > in new hands. > > That set of Adelaide Bentley Pistons have been well covered in the Pommy > Magazine (and will be into the future). So you make your choice and then > contemplate the risk for years to come. > > Economics come into play here and the Aussie Buck. It is not the > "Pacific Peso" anymore. How much do you want to put into your treasures for > future generations ? Can you trust them? ( The Future Generations.) . > > If you want to restore - refresh - preserve a device for future > centuries, sounds to me like the Adelaide Piston Makers are there for us. I > used to like Mahle for all my Buzzy engines but they were heavy. Seems to me > that the Adelaide Pistons may give the best long Service. No Bias there, I'm > a QUEENSLANDER. I have a couple of Cam suppliers that I preferred to use > here in Brisbane and will always go back there first. > > That is my bit on the Adelaide Pistons. I hope that my basic thoughts on > Philosophy are noted. I am a bit strung out at the moment. My Dad had a > Quintupel Bypass and valve transplant yesterday. When I rang to check on him > last night, the ICU put him ON THE PHONE. He is 76. If anyone wants to > know more, contact off Rovernet. > > Regards, > Mark Jones. > > P.S. I am writing to support new manufacturers of otherwise > "UnObtainable " components. Here in SE Queensland we used to have an outfit > called "NewFound Metals". they ran for about 15 years and then folded. They > made all sorts of castings mainly non ferrous. I would love to go and > commission some Rover bits but they are gone. 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/ea2f7998/attachment-0001.html> From ilcommodor at aol.com Wed Mar 10 09:59:31 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time In-Reply-To: <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one response: anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box? thanks jamie kitman From jaguru at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 10 10:19:30 2010 From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time In-Reply-To: <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com><982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> Message-ID: <089A3A67215F4E77A845F60793C5BDD2@JamesDeanPC1> I have found that the stock exhaust system is too close to the clutch slave cylinder, on my 3500S with 5 speed gearbox. I have always supposed dual exhausts would solve this problem; but perhaps a heat shield on the slave is the answer? I am not sure. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Kitman" <ilcommodor at aol.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time > not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one > response: > > anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with a > P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box? > > thanks > > jamie kitman > > > > From sdibdin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 10:41:32 2010 From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time In-Reply-To: <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP180CDE1D5ADA07CBD4A52BB0330@phx.gbl> Hi Jamie Maybe try talking to Ian Wilson in the UK he has access to bespoke exhaust systems in the and is a great chap to work with. http://www.rover-classics.co.uk Cheers, Steven On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59, Jamie Kitman <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote: > not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not > one response: > > anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work > with a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box? > > thanks > > jamie kitman > > > > From phing at videotron.ca Wed Mar 10 11:23:08 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> Glen Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served as apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Glen Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:05 AM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? Vern Klukas wrote: > The rear bumper would be the same as a 2000, likewise the rear > fenders. I find it hard to believe the car would of been imported > that way, as it actually is illegally equipped because of the lack of > reflectors. What year is the car? > > Yours > Vern I agree with you, Vern, but I do wonder if the specs on Canadian cars differed from the specs on USA cars. I'm sure that the intent was to make all Federal 3500S's identical so that they could be exported to either country, as needed. The reflectors were glued on, right? Would the car have been illegal without them in Canada? However, the lack of the larger bumper and even the lack of reflectors would have been a clear deviation from the automobile as advertised for sale across both counties. Patrick, my opinion is that your car is not as it left the factory. However, it is also my opinion that it has probably been improved from stock. These cars do look extraordinarily nice in black, which we know was not a factory color. Your deletion of the AED is also considered an improvement by many. The 2000-style bumper is somewhat sleeker, but it is not as strong as the 3500S bumper, so it looses from an engineering standpoint. When the car was repainted, I would not be the least bit surprised that the restorer left all of the reflectors off since they were 1) simply glued on 2) tended to clutter up the styling of the car 3) tended to fade with age and 4) were probably not easy to obtain in a pristine condition that matched the rest of the car. The bumper issue may also be a matter of styling preference on the part of the restorer. If there were ANY issues with the rear bumper such as rust or dents, an excellent 2000TC bumper would probably have been much easier to obtain and much less expensive. I would be curious to know if the fenders are actually 2000 fenders or 3500S fenders that have had the extra bumper attachment holes filled prior to painting. Reaching a hand up inside the fenders could probably answer that question. All of this is just anorak stuff because you already know that the car is absolutely beautiful even though it is in a non-factory color. If the paint is not original, and the air intake system is not original, who cares about the back fenders and bumpers? There's not a single person on this list who doesn't wish he owned your lovely car. As far as I am concerned, you'd better keep it in your garage and keep the garage locked because I'm only a few hundred miles south! Glen From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 12:14:05 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:14:05 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> Message-ID: <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> Patrick Hiron wrote: > Glen > Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping > screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served > as apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . > Cheers > Patrick > > Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set. Glen From vern at inkspotco.com Wed Mar 10 12:35:43 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:35:43 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <BB55682B-3D07-403D-BF0E-7D49BC215CC7@inkspotco.com> Ahh, you are talking about the side reflectors. The rearward facing reflector on the rear fender was bolted on (memory is vague though, so I'm not betting my first born on that). It is the same reflector, with a different chrome casing, that was fitted to the corners of the truck lid on earlier models. And without the rear reflectors the car would of been illegal in Canada, to answer the earlier question. I just spent a few minutes checking out googled 3500s images, it is amazing how many cars have been changed in the rear. Yours Vern On 2010-03-10, at 9:14 AM, Glen Wilson wrote: > Patrick Hiron wrote: >> Glen Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping >> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served >> as apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . >> Cheers Patrick >> > Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set. > > Glen > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From kkinard at att.net Wed Mar 10 12:36:31 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:36:31 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time In-Reply-To: <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> Hi Jamie, I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures. Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock Federal car for comparison. Will post the results over the weekend. Roverly, Kent K. Jamie Kitman wrote: > not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one > response: > > anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work with > a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box? > > thanks > > jamie kitman > > > > From kkinard at att.net Wed Mar 10 12:53:42 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:53:42 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors In-Reply-To: <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> Hi Glen et al, I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and positions if you require any. Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves. My camels are not road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus saving the great expense of replacing the reflectors or the aggravation of digging through camel dung. Neither do they require the NZ and California mandatory catalytic converters. Roveroverthehumpedly, Kent K. Glen Wilson wrote: > Patrick Hiron wrote: >> Glen Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a >> self tapping >> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys >> served >> as apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . >> Cheers Patrick > Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of > engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders > were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from > memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they > fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent > always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to > mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set. > > Glen > > From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 12:55:47 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:55:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors In-Reply-To: <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> Message-ID: <267270.97305.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> heh heh heh?? I assumed they were screwed on. I should take mine off - the previous owner was not careful w/measuring where they should go when he redid the car.. ________________________________ From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 12:53:42 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors Hi Glen et al, I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and positions if you require any. Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves.? My camels are not road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus saving the great expense of replacing the reflectors or the aggravation of digging through camel dung.? Neither do they require the NZ and California mandatory catalytic converters. Roveroverthehumpedly, Kent K. Glen Wilson wrote: > Patrick Hiron wrote: >> Glen? Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a self tapping >> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys served >> as? apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . >> Cheers? Patrick > Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set. > > Glen > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/2e4c869f/attachment.html> From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 12:59:08 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:59:08 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on Rovernet? In-Reply-To: <BB55682B-3D07-403D-BF0E-7D49BC215CC7@inkspotco.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <BB55682B-3D07-403D-BF0E-7D49BC215CC7@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <204ec4391003100959w204dd8ag521d129cdba8e6b8@mail.gmail.com> Having close and recent experience with these, I can say that on both my cars the side reflectors are mounted using plastic badge clips, and the chromed rear reflector housings are screwed on into tapped bosses set into the rear wing Other cars may differ.. Aidrian From kkinard at att.net Wed Mar 10 13:06:31 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:06:31 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes In-Reply-To: <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> Message-ID: <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> Hi Netters, Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear. Nicely done, but major surgery. I always wondered if the rail lost much strength from the mod. Maybe Garrett has a followup to that. James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be noted. The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation. Consideration here is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the trans. Roverly, Kent K. Kent Kinard wrote: > Hi Jamie, > I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from > a different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking > pictures. Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, > but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at > least the one I saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 > and a stock Federal car for comparison. Will post the results over > the weekend. > > Roverly, > Kent K. From gbbourque at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 13:40:20 2010 From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes In-Reply-To: <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> Message-ID: <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> Hello Rovernet, Everybody is commenting on Rover exhaust and the fit/shape of head pipes on the V8 engine. On my own car, I got talked into buying these enlarged Range Rover manifolds from a person in England before I completely knew what I was doing back in the late 80s! Since I could not return them, and paid dearly for them!?!.....I went ahead and made the cut in the frame rail on each side so that the wider manifolds would fit. I did the cuts because I was removing material ahead of any point where anything related to the front suspension attached to the car. The pockets, one on each side, were taken out of the boxed area at the bottom of the inward facing side of the inner fender. Think about how the parts of the car are attached to the engine bay portion of the bodyshell. Starting just ahead of where the shocks mount to the bodyshell, there is not really alot going on. Cutting the pockets in these boxed sections raises the issue of crashworthyness, and some states probably would not allow you to do what I did to this car and pass it for a safety inspection. The coil springs are mounted behind, off the firewall, behind these pockets I made. The steering works all off the firewall. The engine mounts are welded to the front crossmember. The front of this car's bodywork provides a place to put lights, brake servo parts, finish the aerodynamic styling lines of the car and keep water off the engine!! Now, if I do some brake servo work, I will drive my own red Rover 3500s this summer for the first time in alot of years!!! Enjoy your cars!! Garrett Bourque GB Services Auto Restoration (alright...and customization) 98 Bunker Hill Road Jefferson, Maine 04348 www dot gbservicesusa dot com Specializing in restoration, repairs, modifications on Rover car, Series Land Rover, Jaguar, many other British makes, Volvo, Porsche 356 On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > Hi Netters, > > Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and > welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear. > Nicely done, but major surgery. I always wondered if the rail lost much > strength from the mod. Maybe Garrett has a followup to that. > > James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be > noted. The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe > will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation. Consideration here is > shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the trans. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Kent Kinard wrote: > >> Hi Jamie, >> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a >> different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures. >> Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I >> recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I >> saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock Federal >> car for comparison. Will post the results over the weekend. >> >> Roverly, >> Kent K. >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For a pedal box assembly, they used one from a 2000 TC James Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes > Hi Netters, > > Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and > welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear. > Nicely done, but major surgery. I always wondered if the rail lost much > strength from the mod. Maybe Garrett has a followup to that. > > James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be > noted. The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe > will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation. Consideration here > is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the > trans. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Kent Kinard wrote: >> Hi Jamie, >> I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a >> different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures. >> Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I >> recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I >> saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock >> Federal car for comparison. Will post the results over the weekend. >> >> Roverly, >> Kent K. > > > From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 13:45:51 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors In-Reply-To: <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> Message-ID: <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> Kent Kinard wrote: > Hi Glen et al, > I have a large supply of NOS Federal reflectors of all types and > positions if you require any. It may be that cars that have been repainted have the reflectors reattached with modern double-sided tape. However, I have definitely had 3500S fenders (with bumper bolt holes) that had a little hole for the wiring that goes to the small side light but no hole whatsoever above that for the larger reflector. I have seen one car that had the large trapezoidal reflectors mounted upside-down, by the way. And for Kent, the Amish up here in Pennsylvania experimented with camels during recent dry summers. They found that the camel hoof is not suited to the paved roads they take their carriages out on. However, the real problem was that the young Amish men were racing the camels at night SANS REFLECTORS and causing all sorts of problems for local motorists. Head-mounted LED lights simply didn't cut it and the state police got involved (which is always a sensitive situation where the Amish are involved). As a result of all this, the camel market in the Philadelphia area is glutted, and guess what has been showing up on the menu in the swankier Center City restaurants. Lately PETA has been active in the area, not so much in response to camels becoming a trendy comestible, but in response to stray camels picked up wandering the streets have been handled by local animal control authorities. There are simply no facilities for dealing with such large animal, and fly-by-night camel disposal companies have proliferated. Recently, a barge loaded with fifty or sixty camels was discovered floating down the Delaware River and out to see, and that was what brought PETA to town. At present, no real solution acceptable to all parties has been worked out. We now live in a townhouse with a postage stamp sized back yard. We have, regrettably, become attached to the adolescent camel in our yard and are reluctant to turn him over to any of the camel sanctuaries that are springing up across the river in rural southern New Jersey because we have heard scary stories that belie the scenes show on billboards and tv infomercials. At any rate, it's a real problem around here and fast becoming an election issue for local and even national politicians running in our area. The Aussie list members may be the only ones who can appreciate the problems cause by introduced species that get out of control. Glen > > Glen is misinformed, however, as the camels try to eat only the > reflectors mounted on other camels or on themselves. My camels are > not road registered and therefore do not require reflectors thus > saving the great expense of replacing the reflectors or the > aggravation of digging through camel dung. Neither do they require > the NZ and California mandatory catalytic converters. > > Roveroverthehumpedly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: >> Patrick Hiron wrote: >>> Glen Rover reflectors glued on ? surely not ? Rover would not use a >>> self tapping >>> screw if the could fit a 1/2 inch , preferably BSF bolt . These guys >>> served >>> as apprentices in steam railway locomotive shops . >>> Cheers Patrick >> Well, maybe it was a design innovation: the first use of >> engineering-grade double-sided tape. The reflectors on the fenders >> were definitely taped on. Can't say for sure about the rear ones from >> memory. I'm sure Kent knows. If left out in the sun in Texas, they >> fall off onto the ground where the camels quickly snap them up. Kent >> always removes them from the fenders preemptively so as not to have >> to mine camel pies for them when someone on the list asks for a set. >> >> Glen >> >> > > > From Pjemail at aol.com Wed Mar 10 13:53:56 2010 From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:53:56 EST Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on R Message-ID: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com> I am sure that the theorising about how the side reflectors were attached to the front and rear wings on the 350S Auto by glue or tape is quite incorrect. Looking at them and looking at the Rover Parts List makes it clear that they were held on by friction bushes, in a similar fashion to the badges. There are two thin pins on the rear surface of each reflector and these are a press fit into shouldered plastic tubes which are pushed into holes drilled into the wings. If you replaced a damaged rear wing with a new wing, the new wing would come without the holes drilled. These holes, and the holes in the rear wings for the rear bumper attachments would need to be drilled by the person fitting the new wing. Obviously, in several cases, new wings were fitted without the job having been done properly, and in some cases a repairer could not be bothered to obtain a correct rear bumper. This is the explanation of why some cars do not have the reflectors and/or the correct rear bumper. Regards, Pierre Janusz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Spake Soon" Warmest regards Mark Mark Gray Editor, Driving Force The Rover P6 Club Club line 01902 689975 Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008 Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration Show 2006. Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2007 Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > HI > Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is > still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 > miles > away speaks a different dialect " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich . > A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers > design culture is based on a cartoonist named Heath Robinson whose crazy > inventions were featured in Punch . > Cheers > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On > Behalf Of Jamie Kitman > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > > speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- > check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, > and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w > > > > > > --- Original Message --- > From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM >> Patrick Hiron wrote: >>> Hi OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " >>> That's the >>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald >>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs >>> properly! Cheers Patrick >> >> Ah, Patrick! One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition >> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle. >> >> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg. >> >> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm >> >> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/ >> >> Glen >> > > > > From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 15:14:44 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on R In-Reply-To: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com> References: <21552.68f6479.38c944c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B97FDB4.7010602@comcast.net> Pjemail at aol.com wrote: > I am sure that the theorising about how the side reflectors were > attached to the front and rear wings on the 350S Auto by glue or tape > is quite incorrect. Looking at them and looking at the Rover Parts > List makes it clear that they were held on by friction bushes, in a > similar fashion to the badges. There are two thin pins on the rear > surface of each reflector and these are a press fit into shouldered > plastic tubes which are pushed into holes drilled into the wings. > > If you replaced a damaged rear wing with a new wing, the new wing > would come without the holes drilled. These holes, and the holes in > the rear wings for the rear bumper attachments would need to be > drilled by the person fitting the new wing. Obviously, in several > cases, new wings were fitted without the job having been done > properly, and in some cases a repairer could not be bothered to obtain > a correct rear bumper. This is the explanation of why some cars do not > have the reflectors and/or the correct rear bumper. > > Regards, > > Pierre Janusz Well, I might argue with Kent on some things, but I'm not taking on Pierre when it comes to parts! Besides, I sometimes see things that aren't there. I have a distinct memory of Pierre in my own back yard poking at a 3500S in the flesh, as it were. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/4df1ed54/attachment.html> From Pjemail at aol.com Wed Mar 10 15:29:26 2010 From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:29:26 EST Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on R Message-ID: <1f1e1.1f9c0a18.38c95b26@aol.com> Glen's recollection of me prodding a 3500S in his back yard is certainly not an example of false memory syndrome. His attempt to persuade me that it was just what I needed to take back with me to the UK nearly succeeded, but I came to my senses when I thought about the excess baggage charge. Pierre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <pntdp5ln6oba6olnjje63h805t1f3e6uee@4ax.com> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> <kjsdp5lmbs2lbop28ju8vmore5uvfovbet@4ax.com> <pntdp5ln6oba6olnjje63h805t1f3e6uee@4ax.com> Message-ID: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5E3@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Thanks Peter, looks great and quite distinguished. So no major mechanical or electrical issues... Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Peter Huttemeier Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 12:06 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? > >It is like car, if it has been well looked after they are great cars Meant to say "any car". PS here is a photo of mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/3806401686/in/set-72157623337983698/ Cheers, Peter H From peterhut at activ8.net.au Wed Mar 10 16:54:36 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:54:36 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 75? In-Reply-To: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5E3@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> References: <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <4B95C4A6.5000006@comcast.net> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5DA@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> <kjsdp5lmbs2lbop28ju8vmore5uvfovbet@4ax.com> <pntdp5ln6oba6olnjje63h805t1f3e6uee@4ax.com> <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5E3@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> Message-ID: <go3gp558o25h7nl319q4taspuqc6vr4gp0@4ax.com> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:49:03 +1030, you wrote: >Thanks Peter, looks great and quite distinguished. So no major mechanical or electrical issues... My car has done 130,000 ks now, and in my ownership nothing other than normal servicing. But as I live on the East Coast of Tasmania, it only gets good long runs, not much city driving. And traffic in Hobart can hardly be compared to peak hour in Melbourne or Sydney!! I had only little problem after my partner drove the car. She has short legs, and suddenly the airbag warning light stayed on. A little research quickly told me that it is a badly designed connector under the driver's seat that with the seat forward often dislodges it. Wrapping a little electrical tape, or duct tape around it solves the problem. Parts are ok so far. Mechanically the 75/ZT shares the KV6 series engine with the LR Freelander of the time. Rimmers in UK have got a large supply from old MG Rover/Caterpillar parts. Parts cars are starting to turn up, as many insurance companies write pranged cars off rather than repair them. If you want to see some discussions on the cars take a look at the UK club's Forums: http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/ You can get some feel for any problems and solutions UK owners are having. Cheers, Peter H From den at aachenkennels.com Wed Mar 10 18:43:58 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:43:58 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com><982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com><4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net><4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> I'm not into hot rod but do like the engineering that these blokes get up to. Thinking outside the box ( scuse the pun ) what about a set of block hugger manifolds. This company in UK do them. (http://www.popbrowns.co.uk/ ). If they can get a Rover to work in a E93 Ford then I'm sure they'll have something for your P5. Get them coated in black I think they would look the dogs. Good site to surf around anyway. Just bought a set of Pistons from JP for 46 Rover special. Good old fashion service at a good old fashion price. Even some of the old Rover Guru's in the UK use them. Den Gallacher From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of garrett bourque Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 2:40 AM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes Hello Rovernet, Everybody is commenting on Rover exhaust and the fit/shape of head pipes on the V8 engine. On my own car, I got talked into buying these enlarged Range Rover manifolds from a person in England before I completely knew what I was doing back in the late 80s! Since I could not return them, and paid dearly for them!?!.....I went ahead and made the cut in the frame rail on each side so that the wider manifolds would fit. I did the cuts because I was removing material ahead of any point where anything related to the front suspension attached to the car. The pockets, one on each side, were taken out of the boxed area at the bottom of the inward facing side of the inner fender. Think about how the parts of the car are attached to the engine bay portion of the bodyshell. Starting just ahead of where the shocks mount to the bodyshell, there is not really alot going on. Cutting the pockets in these boxed sections raises the issue of crashworthyness, and some states probably would not allow you to do what I did to this car and pass it for a safety inspection. The coil springs are mounted behind, off the firewall, behind these pockets I made. The steering works all off the firewall. The engine mounts are welded to the front crossmember. The front of this car's bodywork provides a place to put lights, brake servo parts, finish the aerodynamic styling lines of the car and keep water off the engine!! Now, if I do some brake servo work, I will drive my own red Rover 3500s this summer for the first time in alot of years!!! Enjoy your cars!! Garrett Bourque GB Services Auto Restoration (alright...and customization) 98 Bunker Hill Road Jefferson, Maine 04348 www dot gbservicesusa dot com Specializing in restoration, repairs, modifications on Rover car, Series Land Rover, Jaguar, many other British makes, Volvo, Porsche 356 On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: Hi Netters, Before someone asks, Garrett cut a big chunk out of each frame rail and welded up a box reinforcement to get the RR exhaust manifolds to clear. Nicely done, but major surgery. I always wondered if the rail lost much strength from the mod. Maybe Garrett has a followup to that. James Dean's comment on the clutch slave cylinder location should also be noted. The other question being asked is whether or not the S type Y pipe will clear the BW35 or other automatic installation. Consideration here is shift linkage and whether the car has sight glass or dip stick on the trans. Roverly, Kent K. Kent Kinard wrote: Hi Jamie, I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from a different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking pictures. Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at least the one I saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 and a stock Federal car for comparison. Will post the results over the weekend. Roverly, Kent K. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100311/7b6fbabc/attachment.html> From gbbourque at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 20:00:05 2010 From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust order [was 200TC Pistons] In-Reply-To: <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve, My money situation is getting a little better. I will contact you in a few days to get my order in for the two rear sections, for 72 to 76 V8 cars as you told me before. What would be great is what you called big bore, but the original hangers and route under the car. Do you know the pipe diameter on them by chance? Thanks, Garrett On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>wrote: > > Jamie, > > Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel > exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within the > next week or two. We currently have several Rover people participating and > have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of different Rover models, > and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or container to Fitchburg, > Massachusetts. > > Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that there > are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems: 1) small bore for 1968 - 74 automatic > cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for manual (UK > 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a single pipe > further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars (this has the > same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic system.) It also matters > which manifolds you have -- those off the original NADA 3500S have a smaller > exit opening, where as those off the UK 3500S manual car have a larger > opening. (I don't know if later SD1 or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but > that would add another layer of possibilities.) > > I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your car, > but hopefully someone else can confirm. > If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust order, > I can send more details off-line. We have negotiated some good prices, and > the exchange rate has been more favorable lately... > > --Steve Manwell > > > ilcommodor at aol.com wrote: > >> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system >> that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 manual >> five-speed box? >> >> >> >> Jamie Kitman >> Nyack, NY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> I have a set of brand new 20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC. >> Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are >> interested >> . I don't want to break the set. >> >> Dermot Harvey >> Spectral Kinetics >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/495b979e/attachment.html> From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 20:04:21 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] RIp Van Winkle was NADA P6 3500 S - owner on R In-Reply-To: <1f1e1.1f9c0a18.38c95b26@aol.com> References: <1f1e1.1f9c0a18.38c95b26@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B984195.702@comcast.net> Pjemail at aol.com wrote: > Glen's recollection of me prodding a 3500S in his back yard is > certainly not an example of false memory syndrome. His attempt to > persuade me that it was just what I needed to take back with me to the > UK nearly succeeded, but I came to my senses when I thought about the > excess baggage charge. > > Pierre The truth of the matter was that Pierre was somewhat appalled that I had paid $500 just to keep it from the crusher and considered it a parts car. I could see the wheels turning in Pierre's head as mad bonnet louver disease manifested itself in his European brain. After a few minutes and some mental calculations, the fever seemed to pass. Afterward, we went to my basement and Pierre rattled of part numbers and applications for a vanload of P3 and P4 parts that I had brought home from the cellar of a burned out house in Ohio. Pierre is certainly one of the nicest and most knowledgeable Rover people we have met, and that's already a pretty nice subset of humanity. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100310/ed8ec377/attachment-0001.html> From ilcommodor at aol.com Wed Mar 10 20:16:45 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust order [was 200TC Pistons] In-Reply-To: <982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> <982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B98447D.8070400@aol.com> my car appears to have its original 3500S NADA exhaust manifolds. if it's true that the 72-76 manual UK system will work, i'd be up for one of these stainless systems, though i'd been told (by someone who was admittedly just guessing) that the original 4-speed manual transmission on UK 3500S's might be narrower than the 5-speed LT77 fitted to my car, causing potential clearance problems (and now someone has raised the possibility of overheating the clutch slave.) perhaps some of them there english fellers know the answer. jamie --- Original Message --- From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 Exhausts / stainless exhaust order [was 200TC Pistons] Date: 3/10/10 8:00 PM > Hi Steve, > My money situation is getting a little better. I will contact you in a > few days to get my order in for the two rear sections, for 72 to 76 V8 cars > as you told me before. What would be great is what you called big bore, but > the original hangers and route under the car. Do you know the pipe diameter > on them by chance? > Thanks, > Garrett > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:02 AM, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>wrote: > > >> Jamie, >> >> Dirk Burrowes and I expect to be ordering a batch of stainless steel >> exhausts from P D Gough ( http://www.pdgough.com/ ) in England within the >> next week or two. We currently have several Rover people participating and >> have orders committed for 19 systems for a range of different Rover models, >> and the exhausts will be shipped by crate or container to Fitchburg, >> Massachusetts. >> >> Based on experience with assembling this order, I can tell you that there >> are three basic 3500 / 3500S systems: 1) small bore for 1968 - 74 automatic >> cars / same two rear sections as for 2000TC; 2) big bore for manual (UK >> 3500S) 1972 - 1976 cars (on this system, the "Y" joins into a single pipe >> further back); and big bore for 1974 to 1976 automatic cars (this has the >> same layout as the earlier small bore / automatic system.) It also matters >> which manifolds you have -- those off the original NADA 3500S have a smaller >> exit opening, where as those off the UK 3500S manual car have a larger >> opening. (I don't know if later SD1 or Land Rover manifolds fit 3500's, but >> that would add another layer of possibilities.) >> >> I'm guessing that the 1972 - 1976 3500S manual system would fit your car, >> but hopefully someone else can confirm. >> If you or anyone else is interested in participating in the exhaust order, >> I can send more details off-line. We have negotiated some good prices, and >> the exchange rate has been more favorable lately... >> >> --Steve Manwell >> >> >> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> can anyone suggest from certain experience a stock Rover exhaust system >>> that will work in a NADA 3500S (1970) that's been fitted with a LT77 manual >>> five-speed box? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jamie Kitman >>> Nyack, NY >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net> >>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >>> Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:32 pm >>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 200TC Pistons >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I have a set of brand new 20 over 10:1 pistons for the 2000TC. >>> Please contact me directly at roverman2 at verizon.net if you are >>> interested >>> . I don't want to break the set. >>> >>> Dermot Harvey >>> Spectral Kinetics >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 20:42:46 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:42:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving rear P6 calipers- Sierra Specialty Automotive Message-ID: <397338.23426.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings, I don't recall which Rovernetter recommended Sierra Specialty Automotive / Brakecylinder.com (Roland?) but I received my brass sleeved caliper bodies back today and am quite happy with the work. Mind you, I have not installed them yet and tested them under pressure! It cost $70 USD per rear caliper, with free return shipping and turnaround time was almost exactly a month. Pictures for the curious: http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii66/earlhamp6/Rover%20P6/RoverCal.jpg Cheers, Nathan From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 21:13:29 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust /RR manifolds/ S "Y"pipes In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> Message-ID: <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> >Thinking outside the box ( scuse the pun ) what about a set of block > hugger manifolds. > ). I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably won't get replaced anytime soon The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is so close to the exhaust; cast manifolds run a good bit cooler than fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but looks awful Aidrian From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 21:47:19 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes? In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise > than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound > effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not > sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably > won't get replaced anytime soon > > The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is > abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is > so close to the exhaust; cast manifolds run a good bit cooler than > fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but > looks awful > > Aidrian > The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right. Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve. So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, I hope... Glen From phing at videotron.ca Wed Mar 10 22:43:46 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover In-Reply-To: <B8FFEEA3EDFC44D486F1D807DFD42794@SN037535920331> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <007901cabf20$e9936490$bcba2db0$@ca> <4B95D724.6060600@comcast.net> <4B9669F7.8040706@aol.com> <000001cabfa5$ad0670f0$071352d0$@ca> <B8FFEEA3EDFC44D486F1D807DFD42794@SN037535920331> Message-ID: <000a01cac0cd$0dc4cb30$294e6190$@ca> Mark " Allo ower kid then .Worrer abart Duglee?They doe talk proper theer Me Mam went off to Dudley markit , er wer never sin agin!Er probably tumbled uver Ocker Bonk Tarar abit then mate " Cheers Patrick formerly of the western edge of the Black Country For Glen or any one harboring PC tendencies This is not a racist remark . It is the politically and anthropologically correct terminology for the area which gave birth to the Industrial Revolution and Blake's " Dark Satanic mills" -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:21 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover Patrick "yow am coddin me!" The lingo changes even closer than that, what about Dudley!!!!!!!!! "bostin!" "Spake Soon" Warmest regards Mark Mark Gray Editor, Driving Force The Rover P6 Club Club line 01902 689975 Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008 Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration Show 2006. Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2007 Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > HI > Rube Goldberg in Rover's drawing office ?? No way, the West Midlands is > still a tribal area . In my home town of Wolverhampton some one from 6 > miles > away speaks a different dialect " Foreigners " start at west Bromwich . > A mere Yank would not have got past the commissionaire on the gate .Rovers > design culture is based on a cartoonist named Heath Robinson whose crazy > inventions were featured in Punch . > Cheers > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] > On > Behalf Of Jamie Kitman > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > > speaking of rube goldberg machines -- and that one is awesome, glen -- > check out the following, done by my musical charges, rock band OK Go, > and already downloaded 6.5 million times in a week...jamie kitman > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w > > > > > > --- Original Message --- > From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ronald, Rube and Rover > Date: 3/9/10 12:05 AM >> Patrick Hiron wrote: >>> Hi OK , I found it . The pictures are of my P6B " Rip Van Winkle " >>> That's the >>> way it came out of 20 years of storage . I dumped the AED and the Ronald >>> Searle cock roach driven air filter . The car now starts and runs >>> properly! Cheers Patrick >> >> Ah, Patrick! One of my cherished childhood possessions is an edition >> of "A Christmas Carol" illustrated by Ronald Searle. >> >> I think many Rover designs had more than a touch of Rube Goldberg. >> >> http://www.flixxy.com/best-rube-goldberg-machine.htm >> >> http://www.rubegoldberg.com/ >> >> Glen >> > > > > From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 23:24:41 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:24:41 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes? In-Reply-To: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <204ec4391003102024h18209a17x3fb0daf3d8434d7c@mail.gmail.com> Well the ZF 4 speed has been discussed a couple of times here and in several other places on the steam Internet. Why it's not discussed more here may be due to the slightly more North American tone to this list and a probable shortage of Leyland Sherpa vans and ambulances or pre 89 jaguars as donors for the cable controlled 2wd ZF autobox on the left hand side of the water. Since the roadworthy number 2 car came with a Supra 5 speed already fitted haven't felt the need to make any changes, but I do have a 4wd tranny and bellhousing from a Range Rover which I have roughly test fitted to the number 1 car - the BW35 was thoroughly dead,before I got it so I'm looking for an opportunity to make some improvements. There still remains the problem of mating this to a 2wd tail housing; progress is stalled while I try to make number 2 car presentable and ecide what to do with the engine - a (possibly injected) 4.6 and ZF 4 HP24 or 22 looks a nice spec on paper, and those few that have done it say it is a Very Good Thing GM boxes seem to be the preserve of those dedicated to doing unspeakable things to MGBs - the Rover's transmission tunnel is a very tight fit for the ZF 4 speed and I think the GM boxes are larger still so that probably means modifications to the tunnel and carpets. Now if you want to use a modern electronic controlled box you also need the ECM for the gearbox or an aftermarket unit; neither are likely to be especially cheap and as many Rover owners seem to be about as cheap ^H^H^H^H ...ah... frugal as Alfa owners and that may be the real reason the subject doesn't come up very often > Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would > revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. > Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car > would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve. > > So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, > I hope... From vern at inkspotco.com Wed Mar 10 23:49:46 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:49:46 -0800 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes? In-Reply-To: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <AA0042BC-EE06-46D0-8E84-F02E26AD1CB0@inkspotco.com> Just a wrap on a header, if it's going to get wet, is damaging. That said, lagging (the official name for it) can be done effectively, but it costs money. The two approaches are have the header coated first (this can often provide some heat relief as well) or make a solid shield on the outside of the lagging so moisture can't get in (or both). On 2010-03-10, at 6:47 PM, Glen Wilson wrote: > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: >> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise >> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound >> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not >> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably >> won't get replaced anytime soon >> >> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is >> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is >> so close to the exhaust; cast manifolds run a good bit cooler than >> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but >> looks awful >> >> Aidrian >> > The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right. > > Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve. > > So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, I hope... > > Glen > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From den at aachenkennels.com Wed Mar 10 23:52:42 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:52:42 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com><982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com><4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net><4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net><982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082020@Server.adoptsec.local> Can you get ceramic coating done where you live. Not had it done myself however I have spoke to a few who have. From what they say beats wrapping for heat and noise reduction, looks better too. Many of the old car restorers I've spoken to are turning to ceramic coating instead of stove enamelling. I will look at ceramic coating further when it's time to make up the manifold for the special. Not sure I would stay with the old cast manifold though, I'm not into originality to that extent and never heard of any benefit over extractors except for cost for the factory. I am into retro fitting cars, there is a good magazine from the UK with that name ' Retro Cars' so stand by for a TVR/Rover power 47 P2 sports. My aim is to keep it all original until you lift the bonnet.....(smile). Actually at first I was going to rob a P6B of its running gear and put it in the P2 just a simple none modified 3.5. Now I'm a bit more adventures. Between now and then there will have to be a whole lot of washing up.....! Den. From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Thu Mar 11 06:27:15 2010 From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education' References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu><982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> <4B98447D.8070400@aol.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> Hi Folks An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if only to see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included. Ben. ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From mark.brown.rover at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 07:40:26 2010 From: mark.brown.rover at gmail.com (Mark Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:40:26 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education' In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu><982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> <4B98447D.8070400@aol.com> <BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com> My wife and I saw the preview for that recently, and I immediately commented, "Bunch of nice cars in that!" :-) Cheers, Mark Brown On 11-Mar-10, at 7:27 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote: > Hi Folks > An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if > only to see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included. > Ben. > > > > > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS > Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > From magnet at roverclub.org Thu Mar 11 08:07:49 2010 From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Autobox upgrades? In-Reply-To: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1182C1998514D5A66318C791320@phx.gbl> I'd be very keen on hearing more about this -- the BW35 isn't exactly a refined box, with its various thumps going up and down through the range. What are the issues with fitting a ZF box from a Range Rover? So far, these appear to be: 1. The need for a 2WD rear housing to replace the transfer box -- Sherpa, BMW, Jaguar as possible sources (?) 2. Some way to correct the speedometer (someone once mentioned a company who make a motor-driven speedo with an inductive pickup on the prop shaft). 3. Possible clearance problems with the stock exhaust system. 4. Need to fabricate new rear transmission mounting. 5. Prop shaft length? 6. Need to do a bit of custom engineering on the selector -- and if you want to use the original handle and index-plate you would probably have to do without the "1" position. 7. Any problems with clearance for the filler tube? Does anyone know of any others? Has anyone on the list dealt with these issues? The ZF box has the benefit of an inbuilt overdrive in top, which would provide more relaxed high speed cruising. It also is quite smooth when new, and not too bad when old -- the one in my RR has over 300 km on it. It also seems to be reasonably reliable. I had to replace the three governor seals at about 250,000 km, but apart from this, no problems. On the other hand, such a transplant looks like a fair sized job -- I'd be prepared to live with the Type 35 if I could find a really smooth one. Has anyone on the list any experience with one that does NOT give out "thump" as it drops back into 1st upon coming to rest ;-) Cheers, -- Bill Daddis Glen Wilson wrote: > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: >> I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise >> than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound >> effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not >> sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably >> won't get replaced anytime soon >> >> The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is >> abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is >> so close to the exhaust; cast manifolds run a good bit cooler than >> fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but >> looks awful >> >> Aidrian >> > The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what > I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard > concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you > are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the > character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right. > > Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would > revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. > Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the > car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve. > > So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the > belhousing, I hope... > > Glen > > From kkinard at att.net Thu Mar 11 09:16:36 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:16:36 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Autobox upgrades? In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1182C1998514D5A66318C791320@phx.gbl> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> <BLU0-SMTP1182C1998514D5A66318C791320@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4B98FB44.1080607@att.net> Magnet wrote: > I'd be very keen on hearing more about this -- the BW35 isn't exactly > a refined box, with its various thumps going up and down through the > range. What are the issues with fitting a ZF box from a Range > Rover? So far, these appear to be: > > 1. The need for a 2WD rear housing to replace the transfer box -- > Sherpa, BMW, Jaguar as possible sources (?) The 2wd output housings/tail housing extensions (BMW, Sherpa, Jaguar, and Volvo) are all a simple bolt up. No internal mods required. Hard to believe, but true. > 2. Some way to correct the speedometer (someone once mentioned a > company who make a motor-driven speedo with an inductive pickup on the > prop shaft). Step up/step down gearboxes are available from your local speedo shop for the cable drive versions. > 3. Possible clearance problems with the stock exhaust system. You can count on it. > 4. Need to fabricate new rear transmission mounting. Too bad the the RR/Sherpa bellhousing is clocked a few degrees off as the BMW tailhousing would just bolt up to the SD1 auto rear mounting. That still leaves you with the problem of an output flange adapter. Jaguar output flange is a direct bolt up for SD1's and a matter of redrilling two holes on the flange to fit P6B prop shaft. > 5. Prop shaft length? All require the prop shaft to be shortened (and reballanced). > 6. Need to do a bit of custom engineering on the selector -- and if > you want to use the original handle and index-plate you would probably > have to do without the "1" position. > 7. Any problems with clearance for the filler tube? Unknown to me. The transmission pan and filter must be modified because of shape and depth. Done by using a 4wd or Sherpa pan and mating it to a 2wd pan so that the bottom is flat. This is necessary again because the bellhousing is clocked. Otherwise a 2wd pan and filter would bolt up. Uese of a Jaguar bellhousing which mounts the trans straight up eliminates the need for pan mods, but requires the use of an adapter plate between the engine and bellhousing. This has been done enough times in the UK that someone must have a pattern for this adapter plate.???? I cannot believe this trans would fit an unmodified P6B floorpan/firewall, especially at the rear. Some mods are required for even SD1's and P5B's, though not much. ZF22/24HP conversion installations in these cars are more common. I still like the GM route better (TH200-4R, TH700R4). At least one individual in Oz has done this, I understand. Plate adapters to fit both GM bellhousing patterns (BOP and Chev.) are available in the US in either steel or aluminium. The transmissions are cheaper both to purchase and to rebuild here and the expertise is widespread. High performance component are readily available. There are fewer clearance problems with the floorpan and the TH200-4R is quite narrow, resolving some exhaust routing issues. D&D makes a very narrow adapter that mounts to the small bellhousing TH700R4 (used in 4 cyl. and 6 cyl. trucks and Camero /Firebirds)for use in MGB conversions, but it is very expensive and requires a gear reduction starter. It would give the best firewall clearance, but is significantly thicker and thus longer. I have threatened to do this conversion for fifteen years. I now have a rebuilt Chev. Th700-R4 and the adapter plate so I'm getting close. When the assembly of the engine/trans is complete, I will trial fit it in SD1/P5B and P6B and take pics top and bottom. Then I will write THE book. By then no one will care. Just a note. The TH700-R4 has a very low first gear. I have used the GM TH400 three speed, no OD, in my SD1's with good success. I think Glen baited me into this long dissertation knowing it is one of my favorite topics over the years. He's heard it all before and knew all the answers before he asked. At least this way it will be easier to find in the archives. Some folks have used the AW70/71 trans, but that's a subject for a different day. Rovermaticly, Kent K. From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Thu Mar 11 11:17:21 2010 From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:17:21 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education' References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu><982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com><4B98447D.8070400@aol.com><BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> <478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP438183909C51EF01393FF395320@phx.gbl> hi Mark The car with the leading role was a very nice and very rare Bristol 4 door sedan. Ben (irishrover) ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From gbbourque at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 12:27:43 2010 From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:27:43 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education' In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP438183909C51EF01393FF395320@phx.gbl> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> <982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> <4B98447D.8070400@aol.com> <BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> <478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com> <BLU0-SMTP438183909C51EF01393FF395320@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <982f148d1003110927r7111a637k30a2385383bd2102@mail.gmail.com> Hello Rovernet, I have a variety of Rover 3 litre accessories available. 1. In dash tool tray/ drawer for a Rover 3 litre. The vinal cover on the tray's edge is in nice condition. Inside the foam is well preserved. It has a bottle of grey touch up paint, and includes the following tools: chrome tire gauge with Rover logo engraved, 3 open end wrenches superslim brand, Rover paint bottle, King Dick adjustable wrench in very nice shape as it looks to have never been used, jack handle rod, grease gun with turquoise paint and red end plug, pliars. There is little water damage and original finish on wrenches. The tray has 2 open bays, one for the second color paint on a 2 tone car, and bay is for missing spark plug sockets and possibly a screwdriver. Price $160 obo. 2. A Rover 3 litre literature pack for Mark 1A models. This is designed to be kept in the car and booklets measure 5.5 inches by 8 inches. The following booklets come in the original snapped clear plastic envelope, in good condition. Price $60 obo. A. There is a driver's manual with blue cover part number 4398, dated Sept. 61. There is a fold out lube chart still stapled in the center that looks like it has never been unfolded!. Cover's plastic is delaminated and there are a few notes written inside covers, but a good to fair cond. piece. B Also included is "Free Service Certificates and Maintainance Schedules" booklet. This also has the thin plastic peeling from the cover, slightly dampness wrinkled pages but no pages ever stuck together. Part number 4408, dated Oct. 61. C. The dealership guide booklet is in good shape and is the 12th edition, dated April 1964. D. Lastly, there is a white paper leaflet with red printing denoting Rover 3L MK1a and the 3 book titled above as contents. Complete pack number listed on this sheet is 4411. This sheet is intended to be visable through the plastic envelope that is included. This literature pack or the tool tray would be a nice addition to a rare car if yours are missing! Thankyou! Contact me off Rovernet for further details, interest or questions. Garrett Bourque GB Services Auto Restoration 98 Bunker Hill Road Jefferson, Maine 04348 USA 207 549 5345 gbbourque at gmail dot com On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM, BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>wrote: > hi Mark > The car with the leading role was a very nice and very rare > Bristol 4 door sedan. > Ben (irishrover) > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, > Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100311/082e3843/attachment.html> From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net Thu Mar 11 12:39:42 2010 From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:39:42 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1268326806.7377.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.5.1268326806.7377.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <006a01cac141$d5732a90$80597fb0$@net> I'd like to mention there are thermal barrier coatings that can be applied DIY. The company is called Tech Line Coatings and they offer a variety of products some of which must be baked and some of which cure in place during initial running. I have to mention that their website http://www.techlinecoatings.com/hi-performance/index.html is not very clear regarding the differences between the products... at least I found it confusing and had to email for clarification. I have two bottles of their products sitting on the workbench, one in satin black for the Audi turbo exhaust manifold (by Dialynx) and the other in 'shiny aluminum' for the polished OE intake manifold. Both are thermal barrier in nature and are advertised to reduce temperatures by perhaps two hundred degrees off of the EM and help insulate the IM from under hood temperatures and keep the intake charge cooler. The Audi has several heat shields to protect things from the radiant heat of the turbo, EM and downtube and I will spray these shields for extra protection. I've not used the coatings yet because they must be sprayed above 70degF and the weather has yet to cooperate so far this season. As such I cannot comment on the ease or success of either the application or the effectiveness of the products... more to follow. The items to be coated must be grit blasted... not glass beads... to open the surface for better adhesion and then cleaned with acetone or lacquer thinner before spraying. There are YouTube videos of the process that can be found on the web site. Would be easy to fabricate then coat a heat shield to protect the P6B master cylinder from EM heat... perhaps even coat the master cylinder itself. Regards, Gross Scruggs Annapolis MD From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Thu Mar 11 21:38:08 2010 From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:08:08 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes? In-Reply-To: <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B97DFA7.8050008@att.net> <982f148d1003101040w45e035bbp1b42bf6401551651@mail.gmail.com> <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16082018@Server.adoptsec.local> <204ec4391003101813h6abf5911pc3cad57ae9d3d83a@mail.gmail.com> <4B9859B7.9000305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <D6E81B715DDA724499CC686D4F52C93F1F1AC5FD@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au> I have had mine wrapped for years on the 4.6 SD1. No detrimental effects thus far, but then the climate here is quite dry. Wrapping makes the engine bay much cooler and a little quieter. Keeping the hot exhaust gases in the pipes and allowing cooler air to be drawn into the motor equates to more torque. The SD1 exhaust is pretty restrictive as standard, although the UK cars were better than the Australian versions. Best swap if you want to stay with cast iron is 1995-98 Land Rover Discovery "headers" which are widely acknowledged to be quite efficient. I junked all the standard SD1 exhaust and fitted a pair of locally made Outlaw 4-2-1 headers (we call them extractors) and a 3 inch single exhaust exiting via a Supercat straight through muffler and a Ford BM30 rear silencer tucked up high under the rear floor. Sounds like a TVR - pure growl.....which may not be ideal for a stately P6 but gives the SD1 some real presence (quite a distnctive sound from all the Ford and Holden V8s around here). Rob -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Glen Wilson Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 1:17 PM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Headers? 5-speeds? Why no modern auto boxes? Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > I have set fitted to one of the cars. They transmit a lot more noise > than the cast manifolds and add a distinctly racy note to the sound > effects, and may not be to everyones taste - to be honest I am not > sure they really suit my tastes but they are there now and probably > won't get replaced anytime soon > > The other issue with headers is heat in the engine bay and the P6 is > abit of a problem is this respect especially since the brake master is > so close to the exhaust; cast manifolds run a good bit cooler than > fabricated headers; wrapping the headers helps a bit with the heat but > looks awful > > Aidrian > The wrapping also usually ends up destroying the headers, from what I've always read. In fact, practically everything I have ever heard concerning headers is negative, except for a little power gain. If you are going for all-out performance and thoroughly altering the character of the car, then go whole-hog and do it right. Otherwise, it seems to me that a good crisp modern auto box would revolutionize any V8 engined P6 and be a much simpler conversion. Acceleration would improve markedly but the refined character of the car would be retained. Top speed and mileage would probably also improve. So, why don't we ever talk about auto box upgrades? Not just the belhousing, I hope... Glen From ilcommodor at aol.com Thu Mar 11 22:18:44 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time In-Reply-To: <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> Message-ID: <4B99B294.6040308@aol.com> this in from ian at rover classics in the uk, who have an interest in NADA P6Bs. jamie kitman Hi jamie, no stock options work. What I and most people do in this situation is buy the 3500's downpipe if you have put larger exhaust manifolds on and cut and extend the downpipe, or if you still have the smaller ones again the same sort of principal. ian --- Original Message --- From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - 1 more time Date: 3/10/10 12:36 PM > Hi Jamie, > I'm not sure the post came through as I have been working on this from > a different angle. I will be doing some measuring and taking > pictures. Garrett may have an answer since he has done a conversion, > but, as I recall, his exhaust system used Range Rover manifolds (at > least the one I saw did). I have a car with "S" type exhaust and LT77 > and a stock Federal car for comparison. Will post the results over > the weekend. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Jamie Kitman wrote: >> not sure if anyone has an answer or not, as previous post got not one >> response: >> >> anybody have any idea if any stock Rover exhaust system will work >> with a P6B converted with a LT77 five-speed manual box? >> >> thanks >> >> jamie kitman >> >> >> >> > > From vmitps at netspace.net.au Thu Mar 11 23:18:55 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6 BW35 speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable? Message-ID: <144E1460DE2E4A0180663ACD17294890@Vista> From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Fri Mar 12 20:09:36 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:09:36 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Whats the Difference between a P6 BW35 and an early P6B BW35 cable. In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1268413208.30167.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.5.1268413208.30167.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W49230A0EFEFCB5620CA4948E300@phx.gbl> > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100 > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "Rover" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6 > BW35 speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable? > Message-ID: <144E1460DE2E4A0180663ACD17294890 at Vista> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response http://www.speedograph-richfield.com/html/rover.html Looks like the listing for the threethousand five (the early name for the 3500) and the 2000 automatic is the same number, 0722-31. If your outer cable is original, then it is best to get the inner cable made, from a sample of the old one. That way you still have the extension for doing it up on the back of the speedo, and secondly you do not have to take the old out cable out. Most of the replacement cable do not have an extension on the nut. Also the are not alway exactly the same length. Check you speedo and angle drive before you replace your cable. Otherwise you may just break the new cable. James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100312/604123f7/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Fri Mar 12 20:11:08 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results In-Reply-To: <4B99B294.6040308@aol.com> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net> <4B99B294.6040308@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B9AE62C.90008@att.net> Hi Netters, I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon 1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a full "S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper. This includes the "S" type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer section and rear silencer section in stainless. The middle and rear sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y." 2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock. Observations: 1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same. Surprise to me. 2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember on which the torque tube mounts. The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so noticably. This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car. If the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change). 3) The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as the small diameter system. No reason not to fit the late, large diameter system to any P6B, except for originality. Conclusions: 1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange. It may, in fact, be a bolt up. I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth" manifolds loose on the floor. 2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system. More working space and better clearance around the clutch slave. But as Ian suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe would allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the clutch slave cylinder. It would solve James Dean's clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system. 3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan. It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic because of potential servicing problems. 4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change the rear main oil seal...yuch! I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust systems to order. I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new. Roverly, Kent K. From ilcommodor at aol.com Fri Mar 12 20:39:42 2010 From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results In-Reply-To: <4B9AE62C.90008@att.net> References: <607c.6861c371.38c8ea2e@aol.com> <982f148d1003100656o4e352bf0xd453417f8fe4cda6@mail.gmail.com> <4B97B3D3.6030803@aol.com> <4B97D89F.9010908@att.net><4B99B294.6040308@aol.com><4B9AE62C.90008@att.net> Message-ID: <662392380-1268444348-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1860854240-@bda824.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thank you, Kent. Jamie Kitman Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results Hi Netters, I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon 1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a full "S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper. This includes the "S" type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer section and rear silencer section in stainless. The middle and rear sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y." 2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock. Observations: 1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same. Surprise to me. 2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember on which the torque tube mounts. The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so noticably. This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car. If the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change). 3) The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as the small diameter system. No reason not to fit the late, large diameter system to any P6B, except for originality. Conclusions: 1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange. It may, in fact, be a bolt up. I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth" manifolds loose on the floor. 2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system. More working space and better clearance around the clutch slave. But as Ian suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe would allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the clutch slave cylinder. It would solve James Dean's clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system. 3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan. It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic because of potential servicing problems. 4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change the rear main oil seal...yuch! I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust systems to order. I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new. Roverly, Kent K. From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 01:08:14 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps In-Reply-To: <982f148d1003110927r7111a637k30a2385383bd2102@mail.gmail.com> References: <89F81102-9D80-415D-9D50-3B3F31287D5E@verizon.net> <8CC89F4B1B9EF25-8920-543@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <4B9100D5.4090201@alum.swarthmore.edu> <982f148d1003101700j35619bf8ha949f9ca2164d068@mail.gmail.com> <4B98447D.8070400@aol.com> <BLU0-SMTP129BCD6C10801A3DD2B62195320@phx.gbl> <478FD99E-B453-4CDF-ADE5-760F6C253B37@gmail.com> <BLU0-SMTP438183909C51EF01393FF395320@phx.gbl> <982f148d1003110927r7111a637k30a2385383bd2102@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B9B2BCE.7020409@comcast.net> Another of my favorite subjects... So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 2000TC? Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup. I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels? Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. Glen From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 02:27:34 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps In-Reply-To: <4B9B2BCE.7020409@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Glen, How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Another of my favorite subjects... So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 2000TC? Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup. I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels? Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/1e7ace07/attachment.html> From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 02:44:31 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps In-Reply-To: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B9B425F.1060406@comcast.net> slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. > > Slats Glen, The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would not be too peppy in such a big car, don't you? "Nissan had a long relationship with BMC." Did you used to own a BMC P6? Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them? Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps > > Another of my favorite subjects... > > So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a > 2000TC? > > Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the > Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up > where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the > closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the > Ford Ranger pickup. > > I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that > you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my > memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine > bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. > > Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 > old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of > hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with > the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much > 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC > gets today adjusted for the current fuels? > > Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. > > Glen > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/f9ecfe62/attachment-0001.html> From dirk at vy-tek.com Sat Mar 13 07:26:24 2010 From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <mailman.198.1268466265.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2> Hello All and Glen, I assume that the idea of swapping an engine in a TC is fodder as the best choice is the engine that came in the car originally. However a common retrofit in the UK for Sprites is the Rover K series 4 cylinder engine which was also found in the Freelander and the Lotus Elise for a few years. The Freelander went over to a 6 cylinder version later. The hype about blown head gaskets is just that for later engines and good aftermarket support is available for the engine. With a relatively small amount of money you can have a light weight 200 HP engine and with a bell housing adapter bolt it up to the original transmission Or use a 5 speed from a number of other cars or one from later Rovers. Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans for RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com My 2 cents Dirk -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of rovernet-request at rovernet.ca Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:44 AM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21 Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to rovernet at rovernet.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rovernet-request at rovernet.ca You can reach the person managing the list at rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to which you are referring. Today's Topics: 1. Whats the Difference between a P6 BW35 and an early P6B BW35 cable. (James Radcliffe) 2. P6B Exhaust System - examination results (Kent Kinard) 3. Re: P6B Exhaust System - examination results (ilcommodor at aol.com) 4. 2000TC engine swaps (Glen Wilson) 5. Re: 2000TC engine swaps (slatskars at comcast.net) 6. Re: 2000TC engine swaps (Glen Wilson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:09:36 -0500 From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Whats the Difference between a P6 BW35 and an early P6B BW35 cable. Message-ID: <SNT105-W49230A0EFEFCB5620CA4948E300 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:18:55 +1100 > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "Rover" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What's the difference between a P6 > BW35 speedo cable and an early P6B BW35 speedo cable? > Message-ID: <144E1460DE2E4A0180663ACD17294890 at Vista> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response http://www.speedograph-richfield.com/html/rover.html Looks like the listing for the threethousand five (the early name for the 3500) and the 2000 automatic is the same number, 0722-31. If your outer cable is original, then it is best to get the inner cable made, from a sample of the old one. That way you still have the extension for doing it up on the back of the speedo, and secondly you do not have to take the old out cable out. Most of the replacement cable do not have an extension on the nut. Also the are not alway exactly the same length. Check you speedo and angle drive before you replace your cable. Otherwise you may just break the new cable. James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Observations: 1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same. Surprise to me. 2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember on which the torque tube mounts. The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so noticably. This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car. If the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change). 3) The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as the small diameter system. No reason not to fit the late, large diameter system to any P6B, except for originality. Conclusions: 1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange. It may, in fact, be a bolt up. I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth" manifolds loose on the floor. 2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system. More working space and better clearance around the clutch slave. But as Ian suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe would allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the clutch slave cylinder. It would solve James Dean's clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system. 3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan. It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic because of potential servicing problems. 4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change the rear main oil seal...yuch! I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust systems to order. I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new. Roverly, Kent K. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:39:42 +0000 From: ilcommodor at aol.com To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results Message-ID: <662392380-1268444348-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1860854240- at b da824.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Thank you, Kent. Jamie Kitman Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:11:08 To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Exhaust System - examination results Hi Netters, I finished a detailed examination of two cars this afternoon 1)1974 RHD 3500 (3.9 litre w. LT77) fitted with what appears to be a full "S" type exhaust from engine to rear bumper. This includes the "S" type manifolds, "Y" pipe which appears to be factory and middle silencer section and rear silencer section in stainless. The middle and rear sections use larger diameter tubes than the "Y." 2) 1970 Federal 3500S automatic stone stock. Observations: 1) The tube diameter of the two "Y" pipes is the same. Surprise to me. 2) The "S" type system hangs down further as measured from the front prop shaft yoke by at least two inches from the downtubes back to the crossmember on which the torque tube mounts. The pipe ahead of the first silencer kicks up to clear this crossmember whereas the Federal system does not do so noticably. This is not enough to clear the pan on the BW35 were the "S"type "Y" pipe to be fitted to an automatic car. If the "y" were dropped further to clear the pan, the distance between the branches is still insufficient to allow the transmission to be serviced (filter change). 3) The large diameter rear system appears to attach to the same mounts as the small diameter system. No reason not to fit the late, large diameter system to any P6B, except for originality. Conclusions: 1) When using "S" type manifolds on an automatic car, use the automatic "Y" pipe and make any necessary adjustments at the manifold flange. It may, in fact, be a bolt up. I could say for sure if I had some "small mouth" manifolds loose on the floor. 2) When using an LT77 it is best to use an "S" type system. More working space and better clearance around the clutch slave. But as Ian suggests, welding in an inch or two of extra drop in the downpipe would allow the stock automatic "Y" to be maintained and improve the clearance around the clutch slave cylinder. It would solve James Dean's clearance problem on his LT77 equipped car and the resulting system wouldn't be any closer to the ground than the stock "S" system. 3)Using any automatic other than a BW35 or later BW65 will require some careful measuring as to overall length and width at the transmission pan. It does not appear advisable to use the "S" type "Y"pipe with any automatic because of potential servicing problems. 4) As long as I've got the Federal car up in the air, I might as well change the rear main oil seal...yuch! I hope this clarifies the situation for those trying to decide what exhaust systems to order. I felt fortunate to discover that the RHD car had the large bore stainless pieces already in place. They look brand new. Roverly, Kent K. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:08:14 -0500 From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Message-ID: <4B9B2BCE.7020409 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Another of my favorite subjects... So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 2000TC? Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup. I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels? Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. Glen ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC) From: slatskars at comcast.net To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Message-ID: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root at sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.co mcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Glen, How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Another of my favorite subjects... So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a 2000TC? Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the Ford Ranger pickup. I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels? Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010031 3/1e7ace07/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:44:31 -0500 From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Message-ID: <4B9B425F.1060406 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. > > Slats Glen, The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would not be too peppy in such a big car, don't you? "Nissan had a long relationship with BMC." Did you used to own a BMC P6? Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them? Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps > > Another of my favorite subjects... > > So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a > 2000TC? > > Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the > Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up > where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the > closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the > Ford Ranger pickup. > > I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so > that you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. > Is my memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB > engine bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. > > Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 > old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort > of hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on > with the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how > much 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely > done TC gets today adjusted for the current fuels? > > Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. > > Glen > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010031 3/f9ecfe62/attachment.html> End of Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21 **************************************** From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 08:13:43 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2> References: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2> Message-ID: <4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net> Dirk Burrowes wrote: > Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans for > RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to > show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com > > My 2 cents > Dirk > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for one will never hold it against him. He's suffered enough. God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, as well. ;-) Glen From kkinard at att.net Sat Mar 13 08:53:16 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net> References: <385504E899754C36A3A58533981A1A5C@DirkPC2> <4B9B8F87.1060906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net> Hi All, Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. Why put something different in a TC? Power? Ease of service? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five speeed to make country driving more fun? Economy? You've got to have an idea what you want to accomplish. If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have everyone scratch their heads. For ease of service and variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana. For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out Marina (yes, it will fit). Finding an M-series with a good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here from Oz. The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is bulletproof, and mounts any number of stick or auto boxes...but would cost about $10K. Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing Products. They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 heads . The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the lower suspension mounts. Cheap out would be the last OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. Dream on, Glen. Roverly, Kent K. Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 11:20:30 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net> Message-ID: <535947.61332.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM > Hi All, > Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. > Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of > service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five > speeed to make country driving more fun?? > Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to > accomplish. > > If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be > to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have > everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and > variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.? > For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used > briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) > or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out > Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a > good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here > from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is > bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto > boxes...but would cost about $10K. > > Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service > would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing > Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide > variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 > heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero > or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the > lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last > OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. > > Dream on, Glen. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: > > Dirk Burrowes wrote: > >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to > make your travel plans for > >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric > told me that you have to > >> show up in person to sign up to receive further > Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com > >> > >> My 2 cents > >> Dirk > > > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and > Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back > to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's > in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message > we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a > chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something > with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, > especially when they've been hardened by years of having to > live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no > scenery and nothing to do. > > > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from > him again, I for one will never hold it against him. > > > > He's suffered enough. > > > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and > surviving Eric, as well. > > > > ;-) > > > > Glen > > > > > > > From kkinard at att.net Sat Mar 13 13:15:14 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:15:14 -0600 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps In-Reply-To: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B9BD632.2040706@att.net> slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX. Preliminary measurements say it is too big to fit! Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as wide. You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup takes up way too much space. Nice engine though. Roverssanly, Kent K. From wb007727 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 14 13:35:23 2010 From: wb007727 at bigpond.net.au (Terry Broadbent) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] exhaust system for a sd1 Message-ID: <C968D379E096470A9779DD564CB85522@terrylewak5voh> hello all, i accidently deleted an email about a person talking about an exhaust for an sd1 that he did, i am looking at making my exhaust a but more meaty, and the person in question said somthing about 4-2-1 headers with a bmw silencer at the end, if that person could let me know what else was done to give the sd1 i nice noise i would greatly appricate it. thanks again. TerryB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/0b6d360d/attachment.html> From james.moison at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 19:02:25 2010 From: james.moison at gmail.com (james.moison at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:02:25 +0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Message-ID: <237295117-1268524763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-164700066-@bda145.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ From: Kent Kinard Sender: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. ReplyTo: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps Sent: Mar 13, 2010 11:15 AM slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX. Preliminary measurements say it is too big to fit! Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as wide. You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup takes up way too much space. Nice engine though. Roverssanly, Kent K. Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From den at aachenkennels.com Sat Mar 13 19:20:33 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:20:33 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps References: <1701966509.14339181268465254411.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4B9BD632.2040706@att.net> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD1608204D@Server.adoptsec.local> Forgive me chaps for not knowing that much about things P6 however I have done a few engine swaps in my time . This experience is making me ponder a few alternative questions. First of course is why change from the factory installation in the first place, not a problem for me as I like change for the sake of being different, however with a bit of thought and a deep pocket the old Rover engine can be made to perform better. Many of the engines mention are 4 cylinder. Many may have the tune ability you desire but what about Torque. These are heavy old cars and you need something with a bit more than a Rover K engine which are fine in a seven clone or light hatch ( even seen them in a mini which is a fine swap). Something V6 or V8 will give you the get up and go factor but most certainly effect ride and handling and of course the need to stop without using the aid of the car in front. I read about a chap in the UK who swapped the Volvo T5 to rear drive and stuck it into a Morris 8 or similar. I have a Volvo T5 that with simple mods to the chip and turbo knocks out 240 HP with a few more simple tweaks and twirls will go over 300 plus it can get that heavy S70 Volvo of mine up and moving in a very smiling way.. Anyway one for the square to think out of... Den Gallacher. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 2:15 AM To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. I have a 2.4 L Nissan from a 240SX. Preliminary measurements say it is too big to fit! Maybe the injection system on the truck is not as wide. You would need to fabricate exhaust headers as the present setup takes up way too much space. Nice engine though. Roverssanly, Kent K. From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Sat Mar 13 19:58:08 2010 From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo? References: <599277.55293.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96861894DAA04365A5DDB5ADDD706960@your7745395e08> Could that be Buffalo, NY, Jim? We're in Syracuse with two of those cars. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cumberland To: Rovernet Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo? I am relocating there this summer, and am taking my almost-decided-to-be-sold P6 with me,as I realized I love the car (have wanted one since I was a kid), and that there probably are other Roveristas in the area. 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In-Reply-To: <96861894DAA04365A5DDB5ADDD706960@your7745395e08> References: <599277.55293.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><96861894DAA04365A5DDB5ADDD706960@your7745395e08> Message-ID: <879523978-1268528564-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1489364284-@bda824.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Nyack new york w one - jamie kitman Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Hank and Sally Manwell" <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:58:08 To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.<rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo? Could that be Buffalo, NY, Jim? We're in Syracuse with two of those cars. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cumberland To: Rovernet Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Bujffalo? I am relocating there this summer, and am taking my almost-decided-to-be-sold P6 with me,as I realized I love the car (have wanted one since I was a kid), and that there probably are other Roveristas in the area. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/13/10 07:33:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0c00c02c/attachment-0001.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:02:30 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <535947.61332.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1939867397.14539731268532150819.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM > Hi All, > Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. > Why put something different in a TC? Power? Ease of > service? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five > speeed to make country driving more fun? > Economy? You've got to have an idea what you want to > accomplish. > > If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be > to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have > everyone scratch their heads. For ease of service and > variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana. > For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used > briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) > or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out > Marina (yes, it will fit). Finding an M-series with a > good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here > from Oz. The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is > bulletproof, and mounts any number of stick or auto > boxes...but would cost about $10K. > > Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service > would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing > Products. They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide > variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 > heads . The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero > or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the > lower suspension mounts. Cheap out would be the last > OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. > > Dream on, Glen. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: > > Dirk Burrowes wrote: > >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to > make your travel plans for > >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric > told me that you have to > >> show up in person to sign up to receive further > Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com > >> > >> My 2 cents > >> Dirk > > > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and > Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back > to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts! If he's > in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message > we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a > chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something > with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, > especially when they've been hardened by years of having to > live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no > scenery and nothing to do. > > > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from > him again, I for one will never hold it against him. > > > > He's suffered enough. > > > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and > surviving Eric, as well. > > > > ;-) > > > > Glen > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/d40b64ad/attachment.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:14:58 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <4B9B98CC.2030701@att.net> Message-ID: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. Slats Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/dd6a10a7/attachment.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:28:12 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps In-Reply-To: <4B9B425F.1060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1931514663.14545611268533692216.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I wouls say two, Mt Rainer and Mt St Helen's. We can see Mt st Helen's from very near our property. We are down in a depression ( year around creek that feeds my two small lakes), but from about 1/2 mile away, there she is! The original Miata's were 1800 cc, but 135 HP. I was quoting only four cylinder engines. I do have a Nissan pickup with the 2.4. At one of the Metropolitan events a couple of years ago, saw a Met with a Honda S2000 in it. Quite a customized car. He lengthened the front section by 9 inches, had flares on the fenders, etc. Beautiful body work. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:44:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps slatskars at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > How about a Honda S2000 or a Mazda Miata? These are the only rear > wheel drive units other than pickup trucks. If you want to try trucks, > go with the Nissan 2.4 liter. Nissan had a long relationship with BMC. > > Slats Glen, The S2000 would definitely be a pricey engine. I think the Miata would not be too peppy in such a big car, don't you? "Nissan had a long relationship with BMC." Did you used to own a BMC P6? Slats, Jeopardy had a category tonight about the state of Washington. How many active volcanoes do you have? Can you name it/them? Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC engine swaps > > Another of my favorite subjects... > > So, Kent, what do we have in the USA that we might want to swap into a > 2000TC? > > Someone in Australia once said a 4-cylinder from their version of the > Mazda Millenia fit like a charm and poked its gearshift knob right up > where it should be. I did some research once and it seemed as if the > closest thing we had to that was a version of the engine used in the > Ford Ranger pickup. > > I think you said that GM V6s were too wide for the TC engine bay so that > you couldn't use a 5-speed Camaro drivetrain or a turbo Buick V6. Is my > memory correct on that? The GM V6 definitely fits into the MGB engine > bay because I have seen a couple of them that were beautifully done. > > Also, if a US-spec TC was rated at about 124 hp in 1968 with 100 > old-tyme octane, what would that be in today's hp figures? What sort of > hp deficit do you think most of our daily driver TCs are running on with > the best pump fuel commonly available today. In other words, how much > 2010 horsepower would we need to match or exceed what a nicely done TC > gets today adjusted for the current fuels? > > Directed at Kent, but anyone may feel free to jump in. > > Glen > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0cd11762/attachment.html> From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 21:34:16 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:34:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <1939867397.14539731268532150819.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <62804.32713.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Slats, I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) ?I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine. Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.)? The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) ?The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain.? Nathan? --- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote: From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM #yiv699139768 p {margin:0;}I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM > Hi All, > Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. > Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of > service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five > speeed to make country driving more fun?? > Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to > accomplish. > > If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be > to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have > everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and > variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.? > For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used > briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) > or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out > Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a > good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here > from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is > bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto > boxes...but would cost about $10K. > > Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service > would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing > Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide > variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 > heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero > or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the > lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last > OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. > > Dream on, Glen. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: > > Dirk Burrowes wrote: > >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to > make your travel plans for > >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric > told me that you have to > >> show up in person to sign up to receive further > Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com > >> > >> My 2 cents > >> Dirk > > > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and > Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back > to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's > in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message > we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a > chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something > with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, > especially when they've been hardened by years of having to > live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no > scenery and nothing to do. > > > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from > him again, I for one will never hold it against him. > > > > He's suffered enough. > > > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and > surviving Eric, as well. > > > > ;-) > > > > Glen > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/28418919/attachment-0001.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 21:55:41 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <62804.32713.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1681774113.14550141268535341211.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You are correct of course, Nathan. I can still remember the first time I goosed that rotary pickup, WOW!. I had a friend that was very much into rotaries, he had two of them as daily drivers. He was a retired Air Farce ( I am retired Naval Aviation) pilot and was trying to have an old Ryan aircraft, with a rotary engine, certified by the FAA. Unfortunately, he came down with terminal cancer before he had it certified. I did see it fly. He did a beautiful job building a reduction gear box to get the prop speed down. He also did a nice job fabricating the engine fairing. The last thing he was wroking on was the cooling system. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:34:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Slats, I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine. Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.) The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain. Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote: From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM > Hi All, > Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. > Why put something different in a TC? Power? Ease of > service? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five > speeed to make country driving more fun? > Economy? You've got to have an idea what you want to > accomplish. > > If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be > to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have > everyone scratch their heads. For ease of service and > variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana. > For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used > briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) > or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out > Marina (yes, it will fit). Finding an M-series with a > good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here > from Oz. The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is > bulletproof, and mounts any number of stick or auto > boxes...but would cost about $10K. > > Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service > would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing > Products. They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide > variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 > heads . The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero > or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the > lower suspension mounts. Cheap out would be the last > OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. > > Dream on, Glen. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: > > Dirk Burrowes wrote: > >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to > make your travel plans for > >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric > told me that you have to > >> show up in person to sign up to receive further > Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com > >> > >> My 2 cents > >> Dirk > > > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and > Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back > to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts! If he's > in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message > we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a > chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something > with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, > especially when they've been hardened by years of having to > live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no > scenery and nothing to do. > > > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from > him again, I for one will never hold it against him. > > > > He's suffered enough. > > > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and > surviving Eric, as well. > > > > ;-) > > > > Glen > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/cb74374e/attachment.html> From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sat Mar 13 21:45:27 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl> My 66 Rover 2000 TC is about 90 miles from Buffalo, overwintering in the shed on my property. I live and work north of Watertown these days. There was a 1970, 2000 TC in Naples, which used to be owned by David Sheuring but that guy sold it back in July. There are a few Rovers in Syracuse. There was one in Watertown, which I inspected, and was purchased by a pilot in Tennesee. In the summer time my Rover 2000 TC can be seen around Alex bay a lot. James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/cea30fe6/attachment.html> From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 22:49:06 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <728146.82939.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-), :-) Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm) We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts. You going' ? Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) ________________________________ From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. Slats Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100313/a10c8cf1/attachment.html> From agOpstal at poelmann.nl Sun Mar 14 08:26:49 2010 From: agOpstal at poelmann.nl (A.G. Opstal van) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:26:49 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Subscription. Message-ID: <727A5768C9628A45B84F4FB026131213C5CF1FF2@PM-SRV1.huizen.local> Hello, Can you remove me from this list. Thank you. Lex van Opstal. The Netherlands. From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Sun Mar 14 08:46:45 2010 From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> There is another one in the Syracuse area owned by Carl Van Kesteren who drove it in The Great American Race a few years ago. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: James Radcliffe To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:45 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? My 66 Rover 2000 TC is about 90 miles from Buffalo, overwintering in the shed on my property. I live and work north of Watertown these days. There was a 1970, 2000 TC in Naples, which used to be owned by David Sheuring but that guy sold it back in July. There are a few Rovers in Syracuse. There was one in Watertown, which I inspected, and was purchased by a pilot in Tennesee. In the summer time my Rover 2000 TC can be seen around Alex bay a lot. James. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/13/10 21:51:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/3cfb9d8b/attachment.html> From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 10:51:01 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <1681774113.14550141268535341211.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <233137.65556.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Slats,?Sorry to hear that your friend didn't manage to get his plane certified before he passed ? away. Stories like that always seem to get to me. ?I think rotary and Subaru powered homebuilts are pretty popular nowadays in the DIY aviation community- he sounds like he was a pioneer in that area.? Nathan? --- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote: From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:55 PM #yiv633216328 p {margin:0;}You are correct of course, Nathan. I can still remember the first time I goosed that rotary pickup, WOW!. I had a friend that was very much into rotaries, he had two of them as daily drivers. He was a retired Air Farce ( I am retired Naval Aviation) pilot and was trying to have an old Ryan aircraft, with a rotary engine, certified by the FAA. Unfortunately, he came down with terminal cancer before he had it certified. I did see it fly. He did a beautiful job building a reduction gear box to get the prop speed down. He also did a nice job fabricating the engine fairing. The last thing he was wroking on was the cooling system. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:34:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Slats, I think you may have misread me...I said that the combination of a rotary engine + tallish rear end gearing would make the car sluggish off the line. Rotaries have weak low RPM torque (it's a fact, like it or not!) compared to piston engines. With an extremely short (low geared) rear end (4.625:1!) ?I'm sure your Rotary pickup was indeed fast off the mark, because the gear reduction masked the lack of low end torque, plus rotaries are quiet and can rev high so short gearing was not quite the disadvantage it would be with a piston engine. Unfortunately, the P6 has fairly "tall" gearing and there are no alternative rear differential ratios as far as I know (other than the taller yet ratio of the 3500S.)? The 2nd gen RX-7 for example with the 13B rotary had a 4.10:1 rear end and weighs about the same as a P6 (2600 Lbs, give or take.) ?The P6, with the standard 3.54:1 rear end would be quite a bit slower than the 2nd gen RX-7 with the same drivetrain.? Nathan? --- On Sat, 3/13/10, slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> wrote: From: slatskars at comcast.net <slatskars at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:02 PM #yiv633216328 #yiv699139768 p {margin:0;}I don't know where you got the idea that a rotary was slow off the block! I had a 74 Mazda rotary pickup, that thing would just fly. Got rubber on 1 st and 2nd. did not try for 3rd. Had awarning horn on the tach, that went off very quickly. It was very quick ride and in fact when they first arrived, there was a recall to beef up the rear axle. Seems that we yanks were snapping them rather quickly. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Obuch" <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:20:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I was thinking that a 13B Rotary would be kind of a neat swap. Given that the car was originally designed to accommodate a jet turbine, that seems like the most similar "real world" powerplant you could install. I can see the 2000TC as sort of a British NSU Ro80! Unfortunately, the lack of alternate differential ratios + the low torque of the rotary would probably mean the car would be slow off the mark. A lot of the other imported 4 cyl engines are canted over to an extent that would make mounting them difficult. (BMW M10 engine from the 2002 for example.) A Fiat twin cam would be nice. DOHC, 2 liter, was briefly used in Morgans and is a common Morris Minor engine swap. A Toyota 22R might be an option. Supposedly not the revviest engine, but tough as old boots and plentiful, broadly similar to the 2000 TC engine (2.2L, sohc, chain driven cam) Nathan --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:53 AM > Hi All, > Glen has a loose rod and is beginning to rattle. > Why put something different in a TC?? Power? Ease of > service?? Auto trans to make city driving easier? Five > speeed to make country driving more fun?? > Economy?? You've got to have an idea what you want to > accomplish. > > If I were to put something different in a TC, it would be > to drive it to RoveAmerica and pop the bonnet and have > everyone scratch their heads.? For ease of service and > variety of transmissions, an aluminum block Fontana.? > For sheer head scratching what is it, a Rover M-series (Used > briefly in Morgans and has "Rover" cast into the cam covers) > or BMC Australia 2.2 Litre straight six from a rusted out > Marina (yes, it will fit).? Finding an M-series with a > good head would be a chore as would getting the 2.2 here > from Oz.? The Fontana is light, easy to work on, is > bulletproof, and? mounts any number of stick or auto > boxes...but would cost about $10K. > > Perhaps the best bet for ease of installation and service > would be a cast iron block from Kansas Racing > Products.? They can cast an Iron Duke to take a wide > variety of four cylinder cranks, rods and pistons, and V8 > heads .? The original Iron Duke bellhousing from Camero > or S10 will fit the TC firewall space and fit between the > lower suspension mounts.? Cheap out would be the last > OHV Chevy four cylinder 2.2 as used in S10's. > > Dream on, Glen. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > Glen Wilson wrote: > > Dirk Burrowes wrote: > >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to > make your travel plans for > >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric > told me that you have to > >> show up in person to sign up to receive further > Rovernet posts!!!!!!! > >> (joking)? www.RoverAmerica.com > >> > >> My 2 cents > >> Dirk > > > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and > Linda were in Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back > to Vancouver, to say nothing of Massachusetts!? If he's > in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, Dirk. The next message > we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while sitting in a > chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking something > with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, > especially when they've been hardened by years of having to > live in a nasty place like Vancouver, BC. where there's no > scenery and nothing to do. > > > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from > him again, I for one will never hold it against him. > > > > He's suffered enough. > > > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and > surviving Eric, as well. > > > > ;-) > > > > Glen > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Netherlands. __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 15:06:06 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <728146.82939.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <665171494.14662971268593566761.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Eric, Was hoping that you were on Oahu. We have been coming to Oahu, for quite a few years now, for a SUN break. I think this is the fourth time that we will be driving in the St Paddies day parade. Yes, we have a friend here with four MG's, 33 J-2, 36 MGTA, 48 MGTC and 52 MGTD. He has me drive the new one. If you had been here, I could probably get you one to drive also. He has said, bring friends, I have more cars. He also has a 54 MGTF, but he keeps that in AZ to have one on the mainland to attend GOF's. We know several folks on Oahu, so coming here was like visiting friends, but they are disappearing slowly. We will not be going to Fitchburg, MA. I have too many other commitments (reunions) this year. We will be going to Pittsburgh (High School reunion) and San Antonio (Navy , air Traffic Control group). Then, I have another Navy group coming to the Portland area, plus our Club T-MG commitments. This year is like the perfect storm of events. Everyone wants them in Aug/Sept too. Sorry, we did not get to see you. Enjoy your stay. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:49:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-), :-) Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm) We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts. You going' ? Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. Slats Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) ----- Original Message ---- From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 12:06:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Eric, Was hoping that you were on Oahu. We have been coming to Oahu, for quite a few years now, for a SUN break. I think this is the fourth time that we will be driving in the St Paddies day parade. Yes, we have a friend here with four MG's, 33 J-2, 36 MGTA, 48 MGTC and 52 MGTD. He has me drive the new one. If you had been here, I could probably get you one to drive also. He has said, bring friends, I have more cars. He also has a 54 MGTF, but he keeps that in AZ to have one on the mainland to attend GOF's. We know several folks on Oahu, so coming here was like visiting friends, but they are disappearing slowly. We will not be going to Fitchburg, MA. I have too many other commitments (reunions) this year. We will be going to Pittsburgh (High School reunion) and San Antonio (Navy , air Traffic Control group). Then, I have another Navy group coming to the Portland area, plus our Club T-MG commitments. This year is like the perfect storm of events. Everyone wants them in Aug/Sept too. Sorry, we did not get to see you. Enjoy your stay. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:49:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Slats, Slats, Slats,...... we are on the "paradise" part of Hawaii :-) By that we mean Poipu Beach, Kauai. :-), :-) Westjet now flies direct from Vancouver to Kauai. It saves a 2 hour layover in Honolulu not to mention a savings in $$$$. (So the return is also direct on Wed. at 10:00 pm) We are nearing the end of this holiday and planning for Fitchburg in Massachusetts. You going' ? Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. Slats Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0ce45343/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 15:19:40 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <233137.65556.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <847537851.14666561268594380400.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Nathan, Yes, this was in the early 80's. The Ryan was quite a large plane for the engine, I thought at the time. After the AF, he had worked for Douglas Aircraft and was quite active in the experimental aircraft group in central Calif. Slats -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). This is the "donor" vehicle. On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay in 2003 or so. This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical work. Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to work and "get 'er done!" Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt 716 836 4929 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP> Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses: 1. Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual). 2. Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer. 3. Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor. OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above :-) Eric __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 16:48:02 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:48:02 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <976992168.14542511268532898416.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <EB86DE3DF4C24DBBBE6DD4CB85C9FDA3@Vista> I have a Brit cat... British Blue & Scottish Fold. Big. ----- Original Message ----- From: slatskars at comcast.net To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Where in Hawaii is Eric? I am there now near Ewa ( a beach cottage at the old Naval Air Station, Barbers Point). Eric, if you are reading this, cell #360-608-7760. Will be here until the 22nd. Will be driving a 1952 MGTD in the St Patrick's day parade on the 17th. PS. Doing a tech session on SU fuel pumps fpr the Brit cat guys here on the 20th. Slats Glen Wilson wrote: > Dirk Burrowes wrote: >> Lastly, don't wait until the last few weeks to make your travel plans >> for >> RoveAmerica 10 June 18th through the 20th. Eric told me that you have to >> show up in person to sign up to receive further Rovernet posts!!!!!!! >> (joking) www.RoverAmerica.com >> >> My 2 cents >> Dirk > > When I talked to Eric a couple of days ago, he and Linda were in > Hawaii. You may have trouble getting him back to Vancouver, to say > nothing of Massachusetts! If he's in Hawaii, he's half-way to Tahiti, > Dirk. The next message we get from he'll type into a Blackberry while > sitting in a chair on the beach watching a sunset and drinking > something with a lot of fruit and little umbrellas in it. > > No, Dirk. Canadians really know how to retire, especially when they've > been hardened by years of having to live in a nasty place like > Vancouver, BC. where there's no scenery and nothing to do. > > Eric deserves to go native, and if we never hear from him again, I for > one will never hold it against him. > > He's suffered enough. > > God bless Linda for surviving everything Eric has and surviving Eric, > as well. > > ;-) > > Glen > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/fcf1b5a4/attachment.html> From ianalice at shaw.ca Sun Mar 14 17:30:35 2010 From: ianalice at shaw.ca (Alice and Ian Potts) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:35 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches Message-ID: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC> Guy & Gals: I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, phone 250-334-0673 e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind Thanks already -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0a59fe89/attachment.html> From vern at inkspotco.com Sun Mar 14 17:48:44 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:48:44 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <45007.96910.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl> <45007.96910.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <DE95718C-32FD-406D-952F-D273C29F828E@inkspotco.com> This hole can also be created by the car itself, if the bendix drive pinion of the starter motor splits (not unknow, the gear is a sintered metal deal)while the engine is running, a gear fragment can get trapped between the ring gear and the bellhousing. The bellhousing always gives up first, either with a cracked bulge or an actual hole broken out. Yours Vern On 2010-03-14, at 12:58 PM, Eric Russell wrote: > Franz noted, <SNIP> "........... I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP> > > Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses: > 1. Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual). > 2. Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer. > 3. Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor. > > OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above :-) > > Eric > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 18:21:01 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <EB86DE3DF4C24DBBBE6DD4CB85C9FDA3@Vista> Message-ID: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I have a Brit cat... British Blue & Scottish Fold. Big. ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/d393c702/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 18:43:18 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:43:18 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4CBDF2921072445F964E6C2D171093D5@Vista> Australia... and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last forever. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <slatskars at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car > Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later > in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be > from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I > will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer > thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > I have a Brit cat... > British Blue & Scottish Fold. > Big. > > ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/d393c702/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 19:03:30 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <4CBDF2921072445F964E6C2D171093D5@Vista> Message-ID: <639754096.14723001268607810672.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS bought up the SU assets. Slats ----- Original Message ---- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Australia... and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last forever. PVS http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/35065b68/attachment.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 19:20:07 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches In-Reply-To: <1063417270.14726441268608616597.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <834795562.14727501268608807097.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Ian, I do not have a Rover manual handy, but do have my MGB Electrical Systems book by Rick Asley, with me. It does have the British Standard BS-AU7 color codes in it. The basics are Black - earth, Brown - battery fed (not fused), Green - battery fed (fused), Purple - battery fed (fused), Red - side lamps, Blue - Head lamps, White - ignition fed (no fuse), Yellow - overdrive. A stripe or trace is used to indicate subordinate circuits. So, you should have a Brown coming into the switch and a white going out to the ignition (either directly through the fuse block or through the tach). A white with Red tracer would be going to the starter relay. White with a Green tracer would be switched accessories, ie. radio, etc. Hope this gets you started. Let me know what colors you are dealing with and I will try to assist. I cannot send the pages through to you. Very slow connection, plus I am just on a laptop. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca> To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:30:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches Guy & Gals: I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, phone 250-334-0673 e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind Thanks already -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0a59fe89/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/c1a61d2a/attachment.html> From elam14 at msn.com Sun Mar 14 19:38:46 2010 From: elam14 at msn.com (FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:38:46 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <45007.96910.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, , <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, , <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08>, <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl>, <45007.96910.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <COL116-W4950C761FAC9445C6FE88C52F0@phx.gbl> > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:29 -0700 > From: p6rovers at yahoo.com > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > Franz noted, <SNIP> "........... I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the bell housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. </SNIP> > > Perhaps the starter motor pinion clip broke away and the previous owner was left with the bits, the gear, springs, and spacers sitting in the bottom of the bell housing with only 3 recourses: > 1. Remove the engine and gearbox, separate the bell housing, remove the bits, reassemble, and install a new starter (as the Workshop manual). > 2. Release the engine mounting pressure a bit, support, the engine, AND ......... after a struggle, separate the gearbox, remove the bits, reassemble as above. Not recommended without a large disclaimer. > 3. Drill a 1.5 inch (or whatever the size of a rubber sill rubber would be) hole in the bottom of the bell housing, remove all the bits with a magnetic tool, insert the rubber bung, and install a repaired starter motor. > > OR, as you description suggests hammer a great hole somewhere in the bell housing and attempt bits removal as above :-) > > Eric > ...creating more bits in the process. Oh well. When the time comes for such niceties your 3rd suggestion sounds like a good option. Thanks, Franz > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/ada34a62/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 19:43:35 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:43:35 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <639754096.14723001268607810672.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <639754096.14723001268607810672.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <53BB402622FC4FF692AC88813C84872B@Vista> I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well. A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go forever. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <slatskars at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, > but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least > partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of > diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a > basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these > across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, > I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web > site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger > configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the > points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits > and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger > setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS > bought up the SU assets. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > Australia... > and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. > > Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last > forever. > > PVS > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/35065b68/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 20:11:24 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slats, I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN") Here's a tip: http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) ----- Original Message ---- From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I have a Brit cat... British Blue & Scottish Fold. Big. ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 20:15:36 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:15:36 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79343FA7B1D947D49A084DEA9968AA4E@Vista> He looks like photo 1 but with straight ears, British Blue heritage there. Big hairy lump; but I love him. Bit like a Rover really... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > Slats, > I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN") > Here's a tip: > http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php > > Eric > > > "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car > Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later > in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be > from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I > will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer > thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > I have a Brit cat... > British Blue & Scottish Fold. > Big. > > ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/d393c702/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 20:18:03 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <53BB402622FC4FF692AC88813C84872B@Vista> Message-ID: <1891184031.14744791268612283203.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Is that the plastic bodied one? I have one of those around somewhere. I also, have a couple of German made copies, Hardi and Harding. I agree that a diode does help extend the life greatly, but I am converting all of mine to the optical system. I know that originally there was only points, followed by a capacitor across the points, which in turn had a diode across the coil. Dave DuBois went through several evolutions, including hall effect, before he settled on the optical trigger system that he is currently using. He does a complete disassemble, inspection, cleaning (including bead blasting the body), replaces all required parts, installs the electronic kit and runs them for 24 hours on his test rig, before shipping our a unit. He measures current draw, fuel flow, fuel volume during the test. Typically rebuilding a unit will cost about $100 US depending upon parts. Installing the electronic kit is $55 alone. What you get at the end of the process is a completely re-manufactured unit that should last as long as the diaphragm does. I have two being done now, but will do my others myself, later, including the double unit in my P-5. I have five MG's to deal with. I know, more than my fair share. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:43:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well. A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go forever. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <slatskars at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the diode, > but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least > partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of > diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had a > basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these > across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. Two, > I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web > site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger > configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the > points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits > and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger > setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS > bought up the SU assets. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > Australia... > and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. > > Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last > forever. > > PVS > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/35065b68/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/20993484/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 20:30:43 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:30:43 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches In-Reply-To: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC> References: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48@IandAlicePC> Message-ID: <83411641CDC045CA85FBCE4DA80751CB@Vista> 6 contact switches existed on some P6B models. It may have been replaced. I am not sure of the numbers since I have lost my reading glasses, but here goes: 1 White with Red - to starter via inhibitor switch 2 Brown with Red - constant 12V in 3 Brown with Blue - control box for alternator 4 White - various, main ign out 5 Brown with Purple - radio 6 Brown with White - lights That's from page 86.00.01 sheet 2 in 3500 manual. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca> To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches > Guy & Gals: > I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition > switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past > years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little > mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, > 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the > switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the > least. > What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find > in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with > extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours > of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a > little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, > please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, > phone 250-334-0673 > e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, > reference, help of any kind > Thanks already > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0a59fe89/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 14 20:36:40 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:36:40 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <1891184031.14744791268612283203.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1891184031.14744791268612283203.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <846D3AC73F494E909265E041FE01A5BC@Vista> The hassle with optical is dirt. One bit on receiver, and it stops. Yes it is a plastic body pump. You can put the diode across the coil or across the points. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: <slatskars at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > Is that the plastic bodied one? I have one of those around somewhere. I > also, have a couple of German made copies, Hardi and Harding. I agree that > a diode does help extend the life greatly, but I am converting all of mine > to the optical system. I know that originally there was only points, > followed by a capacitor across the points, which in turn had a diode > across the coil. Dave DuBois went through several evolutions, including > hall effect, before he settled on the optical trigger system that he is > currently using. He does a complete disassemble, inspection, cleaning > (including bead blasting the body), replaces all required parts, installs > the electronic kit and runs them for 24 hours on his test rig, before > shipping our a unit. He measures current draw, fuel flow, fuel volume > during the test. Typically rebuilding a unit will cost about $100 US > depending upon parts. Installing the electronic kit is $55 alone. What you > get at the end of the process is a completely re-manufactured unit that > should last as long as the diaphragm does. I have two being done now, but > will do my others myself, later, including the double unit in my P-5. I > have five MG's to deal with. I know, more than my fair share. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:43:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > I have a Hall effect SU replica made in NZ that works well. > > A diode is The retrofit to older (P4, P5) pumps that makes them go > forever. > > PVS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <slatskars at comcast.net> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > >> No excuse for the typo. I would ordinarily agree with you about the >> diode, >> but two things that have come to my attention lately cause me to at least >> partially disagree. One, I became acquainted with a new (to me) type of >> diode called a TVS, that is bidirectional. Not polarity sensitive. I had >> a >> basic pump running on the bench the other day and just held one of these >> across the coil wires. The spark and arcing was reduced very greatly. >> Two, >> I have been working with Dave DuBois (Google SU fuel pumps for his web >> site) on getting ready to rebuilt pumps to his optical trigger >> configuration. This is a really sweet set up, that totally eliminates the >> points. I should be set up within a couple of months, still aquiring bits >> and pieces for building the test rig. I think that this optical trigger >> setup is superior to the Hall effect used by Burlen Fuel Systems. BFS >> bought up the SU assets. >> >> Slats >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> >> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC >> >> Australia... >> and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. >> >> Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last >> forever. >> >> PVS >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/35065b68/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/20993484/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Sun Mar 14 20:36:27 2010 From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> Franz - Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those Series II cars. One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit. That side has been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, but there could be some other bits I could use. We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) late next month. In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan. Perhaps our paths could cross. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo. I have 2 Rovers, both of > which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my > attention. > Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston > around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a > while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in > addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious > rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). This is the > "donor" vehicle. On > the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay > in 2003 or so. This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical > work. Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across > some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer > hole smashed in the be > ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. > Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back > to work and "get 'er done!" > Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt 716 836 4929 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/bbe89535/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/13/10 21:51:00 From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 20:53:09 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl> <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> Message-ID: <217368.70838.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Franz, Can't wait to see your cars, as mine is a '71 TC NADA. Hank - I may have a correct engine for you . . . . Can you give me a range on engine numbers, or should I check Rudiger's site, the shop manuals, etc.? It's great to see all the Rovers to whom I soon will be local!!!! Thanks for the responses folks. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ From: Hank and Sally Manwell <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:36:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? Franz - Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those Series II cars. One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit. That side has been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, but there could be some other bits I could use. We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) late next month. In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan. Perhaps our paths could cross. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo. I have 2 Rovers, both of which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my attention. Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). This is the "donor" vehicle. On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay in 2003 or so. This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical work. Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer hole smashed in the be > ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to work and "get 'er done!" 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URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/ec8410b0/attachment.html> From elam14 at msn.com Sun Mar 14 21:22:50 2010 From: elam14 at msn.com (FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:22:50 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, , <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, , <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08>, <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl>, <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> Message-ID: <COL116-W22F832A4853C7906D927E7C52E0@phx.gbl> That would be fine. Just give me a call. Franz 716 836 4929 > From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > Franz - > > Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those > Series II cars. One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I > have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The > other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on the > right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit. That side has > been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet metal, > but there could be some other bits I could use. > > We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) > late next month. In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to > the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan. Perhaps our paths could > cross. > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > > > > > > > From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu > > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo. I have 2 Rovers, both of > > which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my > > attention. > > Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought in Boston > > around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road again for a > > while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse any more, in > > addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and having serious > > rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). This is the > > "donor" vehicle. On > > the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on E-bay > > in 2003 or so. This car is basically sound but needs extensive mechanical > > work. Every time I have started to work on the car I have come across > > some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as a hammer > > hole smashed in the be > > ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. > > Maybe seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back > > to work and "get 'er done!" > > Regards, Franz Kleinschmidt 716 836 4929 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/bbe89535/attachment.html> > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. 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If the small "O" ring (end cover seal washer) under the cap on the terminal screw and tape are in place, dirt should not be a problem. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:36:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC The hassle with optical is dirt. One bit on receiver, and it stops. Yes it is a plastic body pump. You can put the diode across the coil or across the points. PVS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/b85a367c/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Sun Mar 14 21:34:21 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6/P6B base units In-Reply-To: <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl> <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> Message-ID: <4B9D8E9D.5070907@att.net> Hi Rovernetters, Seeing Hank's post about rebuilding a wreck brought to mind my surplus of base units. Anyone contemplating a ground up rebuild of a P6 or P6B is welcome to contact me off list. Most of my extra base units are rust free except for the boot floor where some have rust but no rust through. I have the following surplus to needs: 2-'68 P6, 1-late '70 P6, 1-'75 P6, 2-Federal P6B's. Save all that time and welding rod. Roverly, Kent K. From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 21:40:31 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches In-Reply-To: <83411641CDC045CA85FBCE4DA80751CB@Vista> Message-ID: <1894117505.14776521268617231948.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Those do not match my codes, but my book was written for MGB's. Rover did not necessarily follow British Standard, I guess. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches 6 contact switches existed on some P6B models. It may have been replaced. I am not sure of the numbers since I have lost my reading glasses, but here goes: 1 White with Red - to starter via inhibitor switch 2 Brown with Red - constant 12V in 3 Brown with Blue - control box for alternator 4 White - various, main ign out 5 Brown with Purple - radio 6 Brown with White - lights That's from page 86.00.01 sheet 2 in 3500 manual. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca> To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches > Guy & Gals: > I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition > switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past > years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little > mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, > 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the > switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the > least. > What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find > in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with > extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours > of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a > little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, > please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, > phone 250-334-0673 > e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, > reference, help of any kind > Thanks already > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/0a59fe89/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/c34df4e6/attachment.html> From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Sun Mar 14 21:45:02 2010 From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:45:02 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? References: <mailman.204.1268528558.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>, <SNT105-W34643BED21665365052C438E2F0@phx.gbl>, <B4FCB7B9414E4F74ADA6439B04C90606@your7745395e08> <COL116-W59F836062119BC289D39A1C52F0@phx.gbl> <7FF5111C9F06479294332E0C5BE797E8@your7745395e08> <217368.70838.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <B77E3375ED5C472D8C0D689E37CE6920@your7745395e08> Jim, Here in Florida I don't have a record of the engine number of the running car, but the serial number is 43500072A and the one with the missing engine is 43500074A. Any idea of the serial number of the car your spare engine came from? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > Franz, > > Can't wait to see your cars, as mine is a '71 TC NADA. Hank - I may have > a correct engine for you . . . . Can you give me a range on engine > numbers, or should I check Rudiger's site, the shop manuals, etc.? > > It's great to see all the Rovers to whom I soon will be local!!!! Thanks > for the responses folks. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Hank and Sally Manwell <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:36:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > Franz - > > Your '71 TC donor car got my attention because I have a couple of those > Series II cars. One came to me missing its engine altogether and while I > have various earlier engines, it would be nice to fit a '71 engine. The > other came to me after the previous owner wiped out some guard rails on > the right side of the road and shortened its wheelbase a bit. That side > has been stretched back out and I've pieced together replacement sheet > metal, but there could be some other bits I could use. > > We're in Florida for the winter and will be back in Syracuse (Liverpool) > late next month. In mid May we'll be going through Buffalo on the way to > the Hickory Corners car museum complex in Michigan. Perhaps our paths > could cross. > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANZ KLEINSCHMIDT" <elam14 at msn.com> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? > > >> >> >> >> From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca >> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:46:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] anybody near Buffalo? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello all...I live in Buffalo near the zoo. I have 2 Rovers, both of >> which are have been on jack stands for quite a long time, awaiting my >> attention. Behind the garage moulders a red 1971 2000tc, which I bought >> in Boston around 1980 and drove until 1992 or so, I had it on the road >> again for a while in 1997 until suddenly it wouldn't shift into reverse >> any more, in addition to leaking a lot of oil from the head gasket and >> having serious rust issues (such as the front crossmember being rotted). >> This is the "donor" vehicle. >> On the driveway is perched a yellow 1968 tc that I bought on a whim on >> E-bay in 2003 or so. This car is basically sound but needs extensive >> mechanical work. Every time I have started to work on the car I have >> come across some new outrage perpetrated by the previous owner(s) such as >> a hammer hole smashed in the be >> ll housing or oil and coolant leaks all over the "rebuilt" engine. Maybe >> seeing another Rover around will give me the inspiration to get back to >> work and "get 'er done!" 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/13/10 21:51:00 From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sun Mar 14 21:50:19 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:50:19 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignition switches In-Reply-To: <mailman.218.1268610251.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.218.1268610251.30411.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W649A645F539E096FD868CF8E2E0@phx.gbl> > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:35 -0700 > From: "Alice and Ian Potts" <ianalice at shaw.ca> > To: "Rovernet Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Ignitin switches > Message-ID: <4A5825C2C0E44DB4A8B77BF9DE075D48 at IandAlicePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Guy & Gals: > I'm having trouble sorting out wiring coming through the ignition switch on a '68 model P6 obtained for rebuild. Many others in the past years must have had a "go" at the wiring, so color coding seems a little mixed up. Also, with an ignition switch with l-2-3-4-5-6 terminals(yes, 6) some double, some single push-on male connectors,and working behind the switch face rail, life around here gets a little discouraging, to say the least. > What I'm after from any of you is this: With no reference I can find in the Manual to such a switch, and the car being at Automatic model with extra confusion of ignition wiring, has anyone a diagram showing colours of wires to and from this switch? Pages 32Q and 33Q in the manual adds a little more confusion, but a slight bit more help......so.......HELP, please. Ian Potts, 1975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N-3B1, phone 250-334-0673 > e-mail ianalice at shaw.ca I await with bated breath, a diagram, reference, help of any kind > Thanks already >***** I can have a look on my 69 Rover 2000 automatic at the end of the week. There are two types of ignition switches I believe, one which has 2 positions, the other has 3 positions. I have just had a look in my parts manual and it looks like there are four different variants of ignition switches. The switches for Germany were complete with coil (ignition?). The earlier ignition switches were up to suffix C, Lucas part number 34503, 531573 Rover part number (2 position). The switches post suffix C were Lucas part number 35598, 551508 Rover part number. What suffix is your car? Do you have any issues with the starter inhibitor switch? If the inhibitor switch is not working right then that would make wiring up the ignition switch a bit tricky. Anyhow if you need me to check out the wiring on my Rover 2000 automatic I can do so at the end of the week. I do know that there are some spare pickups where you can wire a radio, and even a pick up which provides power when the switch is off, and cuts the power when the switch is turned on, or to accessories. I have always wondered what this pick up is for, could it be for a car alarm? Did car alarms exist in 1969?! James. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/5b7ac956/attachment.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 21:56:58 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1139259075.14782671268618218552.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Eric, Don't you think, that one Glen is more than enough? I know Paul is just trying to help, as all the Rover group do. As I mentioned earlier, the SU fuel pumps are my latest area of interest. The past two years were devoted to Lucas distributors. One needs new challenges to conquer. Slats ; - ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:11:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Slats, I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN") Here's a tip: http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php Eric "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) ----- Original Message ---- From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC I have a Brit cat... British Blue & Scottish Fold. Big. ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thankyou, Garrett Bourque Jefferson, Maine On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote: > Hi Rovernetters, > Seeing Hank's post about rebuilding a wreck brought to mind my surplus of > base units. > Anyone contemplating a ground up rebuild of a P6 or P6B is welcome to > contact me off list. Most of my extra base units are rust free except for > the boot floor where some have rust but no rust through. I have the > following surplus to needs: 2-'68 P6, 1-late '70 P6, 1-'75 P6, 2-Federal > P6B's. Save all that time and welding rod. > > Roverly, > Kent K. > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure > to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/2c7e51cc/attachment.html> From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 22:55:32 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <4CBDF2921072445F964E6C2D171093D5@Vista> Message-ID: <424967538.14801161268621732936.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Good one! Guess that I should have looked at the pictures Eric sent, BEFORE replying. Quite a cat! I thought that you were a disconnected Brit car guy in Hawaii and I was going to help you get connected to the group. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:43:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC Australia... and I picked up on your typo: cat not car. Anyway always remember the diode across the points and SU pumps last forever. PVS http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100315/0acefd70/attachment.html> From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Mon Mar 15 07:22:11 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:22:11 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Engine swap for a TC In-Reply-To: <79343FA7B1D947D49A084DEA9968AA4E@Vista> References: <344351716.14710811268605261546.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><790257.10630.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <79343FA7B1D947D49A084DEA9968AA4E@Vista> Message-ID: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE3020179C3@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel> Beautiful cats, but the ears? I do like cats, and also hocelots. I know in Usa there are quite a lot. Best regards, GR. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Netspace Inviato: luned? 15 marzo 2010 1.16 A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC He looks like photo 1 but with straight ears, British Blue heritage there. Big hairy lump; but I love him. Bit like a Rover really... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > Slats, > I think Paul is teasing you (hint: think "GLEN") > Here's a tip: > http://douxc2.free.fr/scottish_fold_en.php > > Eric > > > "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:21:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > Are you on Oahu? I understand that the tech session will be at a Brit Car > Club shop space on Sand Island. I will have better location details later > in the week, (Wed after the parade). I know that it will most likely be > from 10:00 am until 1:00 pm or so. They say to expect about 20 folks. I > will be doing an SU fuel pump session and a follow up question answer > thing on SU carbs and Lucas distributors as requested. > > Slats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:48:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Engine swap for a TC > > I have a Brit cat... > British Blue & Scottish Fold. > Big. > > ttp://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100314/d393c702/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. 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Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Mar 15 19:29:02 2010 From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:29:02 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> Hi Roverfolks I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 TC, not the more common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer design. The strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with clear shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope someone can help. Cheers Ben (irishrover) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From kkinard at att.net Tue Mar 16 13:35:51 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:35:51 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> Hi Ben, I think I have some of these. They must have been standard on the Series 2 cars. We didn't get many in the states, but I have two Series 2 cars. I only need one set of cappings. These appear to be darker and "redder", if that is a word. Are there other differences? Did I miss something in your description? Roverly, Kent K. BEN RODGERS wrote: > > Hi Roverfolks > I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 TC, not the more > common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer design. The > strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be > shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with > clear shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope > someone can help. > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e > > > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS > Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 16 14:26:53 2010 From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:26:53 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> Hi Kent I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers! Cheers Ben (irishrover) ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Mar 16 14:35:26 2010 From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:35:26 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com> Hi Ben Overriders were optional equipment (but fitted to all NADA cars), and the trailer hitch came in two versions as a result. Yours Vern On 2010-03-16, at 11:26 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote: > Hi Kent > I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers! > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 14:41:09 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> <9B2655BF-B179-4727-B957-90F1961D0CE3@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <47107.51048.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now I'm curious to see which version mine is . . . . . ________________________________ From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:35:26 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed Hi Ben Overriders were optional equipment (but fitted to all NADA cars), and the trailer hitch came in two versions as a result. Yours Vern On 2010-03-16, at 11:26 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote: > Hi Kent >? ? ? ? ? I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers! >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cheers Ben (irishrover) > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs,? HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design??? 250 864 5619??? in at inkspotco.com To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100316/e3e8580b/attachment.html> From kkinard at att.net Tue Mar 16 17:24:08 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:24:08 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net> Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these so I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all the other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" front doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different. Kent K. BEN RODGERS wrote: > Hi Kent > I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally came > from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I have > come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My problem is > the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I guess > no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I have > a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts One > other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have > original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper > overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? > Many mysteries with Rovers! > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS > Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 16 18:08:39 2010 From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:39 -0300 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net><BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP45462B63D609AA55EBC846952D0@phx.gbl> Hi Kent I'll send a photo of my front door wood trim, but it probably wont be until Thursday! I'm sure you know what day tomorrow is!! Cheers Ben (irishrover) ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 18:17:24 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <966912.44640.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I just looked @ your FB album - think I have these - will look tomorrow. Jim ________________________________ From: BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 7:29:02 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed Hi Roverfolks I'm in need of two interior door cappings for a 1971 TC, not the more common design used on most TC's but a somewhat rarer design. The strips can be front or rear doors. I need front but rears can be shortened to fit. I have posted two photos on my facebook album with clear shots of the design I need. Just click on the link below. Hope someone can help. Cheers Ben (irishrover) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10656&id=100000583895794&l=9da29c425e ************* Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, Royal Navy? then Visit our website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100316/a384a036/attachment.html> From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Tue Mar 16 20:57:04 2010 From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net> Message-ID: <4BA028E0.5040608@alum.swarthmore.edu> Hi Kent, The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany. The photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut?? I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II type that Ben is looking for. --Steve Kent Kinard wrote: > Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these > so I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all > the other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" > front doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different. > > Kent K. > > BEN RODGERS wrote: >> Hi Kent >> I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally >> came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I >> have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My >> problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car >> and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too >> late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but >> not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory >> trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit if I >> remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't >> have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers! >> Cheers Ben (irishrover) >> ************* >> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS >> Ganges, Royal Navy? >> then >> Visit our website and blog at >> www.irishroversbooks.com >> >> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. >> Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> > > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > From vmitps at netspace.net.au Tue Mar 16 21:10:03 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:10:03 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl><4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <ADB346EDC39D4728A893D6DF31A8FE04@Vista> On 2000 towbars you need to move the overriders outwards. On 3500 towbars you don't. PVS ----- Original Message ----- From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed > Hi Kent > I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car > originally came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. > However I have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My > problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car and I > guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too late. Now I > have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but not the fronts > One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a factory trailer hitch (have > original receipt) but it will only fit if I remove the rear bumper > overriders?? Perhaps home market cars didn't have the overriders?? Many > mysteries with Rovers! > Cheers Ben (irishrover) > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS Ganges, > Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From kkinard at att.net Tue Mar 16 21:17:39 2010 From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:17:39 -0500 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed In-Reply-To: <4BA028E0.5040608@alum.swarthmore.edu> References: <BLU0-SMTP193647AC1F5C9B94C0C9CD952E0@phx.gbl> <4B9FC177.7020300@att.net> <BLU0-SMTP39930B0E4286AAE63DFD5A952D0@phx.gbl> <4B9FF6F8.9010302@att.net> <4BA028E0.5040608@alum.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <4BA02DB3.2080602@att.net> Thanks, Steve. When I get out to the shop I will look at my bunch. I vaguely remember noticing the two different types, but since they are all on cars, I have never seen them side by side. The pictures Ben sent do appear to me to be the Series 2 type. Roverly, Kent K. S Manwell wrote: > Hi Kent, > > The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in > color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany. The > photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much > courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut?? > > I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II > type that Ben is looking for. > > --Steve > > > Kent Kinard wrote: >> Ben, or Vern, or _somebody_..._tell_ me what is different about these >> so I will know what I am looking for. The picture looks just like all >> the other wood I have from several cars. Maybe a shot of your "wrong" >> front doors for comparison...I just don't see what is different. >> >> Kent K. >> >> BEN RODGERS wrote: >>> Hi Kent >>> I'm not sure they were standard on series twos, my car originally >>> came from German with this rather rare wood trim design. However I >>> have come across the same design in older TC's but not often. My >>> problem is the two front doors were replace before I bought the car >>> and I guess no one noticed the different pattern until it was too >>> late. Now I have a wood trim dash and two rear doors that match, but >>> not the fronts One other strange thing I've noticed, I have a >>> factory trailer hitch (have original receipt) but it will only fit >>> if I remove the rear bumper overriders?? Perhaps home market cars >>> didn't have the overriders?? Many mysteries with Rovers! >>> Cheers Ben (irishrover) >>> ************* >>> Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS >>> Ganges, Royal Navy? >>> then >>> Visit our website and blog at >>> www.irishroversbooks.com >>> >>> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. >>> Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >>> >> >> >> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. >> Be sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Tue Mar 16 22:05:45 2010 From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:05:45 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door Capping needed In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1268788547.13267.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> References: <mailman.10.1268788547.13267.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <SNT105-W37C5726E939DB81A7725118E2C0@phx.gbl> > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:57:04 -0400 > From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." > <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Door capping needed > Message-ID: <4BA028E0.5040608 at alum.swarthmore.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Kent, > > The earlier type of "wood" insert on the Series I cars is lighter in > color and has a finer, more uniform grain something like mahogany. The > photo of the Series II insert shows a darker wood effect with a much > courser grain -- maybe red oak or walnut?? > > I've got a pile of extra Series I inserts, but none of the Series II > type that Ben is looking for. > > --Steve > I was after the light color trim a few year ago. Roverpart of London I believe it was did not have the light trim, but they did have the darker trim that you are looking for. http://roverpart.tripod.com/ James. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Gianluca. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Mark Brown Inviato: gioved? 11 marzo 2010 13.40 A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 'An Education' My wife and I saw the preview for that recently, and I immediately commented, "Bunch of nice cars in that!" :-) Cheers, Mark Brown On 11-Mar-10, at 7:27 AM, BEN RODGERS wrote: > Hi Folks > An Education is a very good movie and worth watching if only > to see the wonderful variety of British cars, Rovers included. > Ben. > > > > > ************* > Interested in Submarines,Antique cars,VW Westfalia's, Dogs, HMS > Ganges, Royal Navy? > then > Visit our website and blog at > www.irishroversbooks.com > From ABoasberg at webtv.net Thu Mar 18 22:29:30 2010 From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] "Back in the Saddle Again" In-Reply-To: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland@yahoo.com>'s message of Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:26:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3827-4BA2E18A-2897@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> As Gene Autry used to say (I mean sing), thanks to Garrett Bourque and his good firm, GB Services Auto Restoration, I'm back on the road again in my 3500S with Garrett's fine water pump. I learned from this List that one has to be careful when ordering this part because of its various versions. I want to thank Garrett publicly because on this occasion, he furnished the exact part I needed, delivery was speedy and the price was reasonable. In the recent past, Garrett also supplied an idler arm assembly for my 1969 TC 2000. He is a splendid fellow and I thank him very much. Albert From ABoasberg at webtv.net Thu Mar 18 22:31:35 2010 From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Next Part, Please In-Reply-To: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland@yahoo.com>'s message of Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:26:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3823-4BA2E207-5735@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Now I need an oil pressure sending unit for my 3500S. It is for the guage, not the dashboard warning light. Thanks. Albert From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Fri Mar 19 11:44:24 2010 From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 black interior bits? Message-ID: <858715.8741.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, Does anyone want some interior bits - black vinyl/Ambla?? 2 x shin bins, 1 x rear seat (foam is hard & crumbly, but shape is still right and covers are great - I think they are Series 1); 4 x door cards in great shape just needing a wipe-down?? I also think I have 4 of the black plastic pieces that hold the "wood" door caps.? Pictures available on request. Cheers, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In my box of spare parts I have a NOS sidelight without a lower bulb holder. I have a damaged sidelight with an intact bulb holder that I would like to "transplant". Has anyone done this before? Looking for some advice before I proceed as I would hate to damage a NOS part. See the parts at: http://s640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/cdnp6/sidelight/ Roy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the Federal P6 the lower lamp (for the indicator) was blanked off, and underslung indicators were fitted along with side marker lamps on the wing If memory serves the only difference in the two is that the Federal pattern has a blanking plug prressed in in place of a lamp fixture. You should be able to press the blank out and insert the lamp holder form your old part assuming it's still in good order - you might need to tweak the lugs that hold the blank in with a screwdriver and pliers to get it out Aidrian On 3/21/10, Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> wrote: > Hi all. > In my box of spare parts I have a NOS sidelight without a lower bulb > holder. I have a damaged sidelight with an intact bulb holder that I > would like to "transplant". Has anyone done this before? > Looking for some advice before I proceed as I would hate to damage a > NOS part. > See the parts at: http://s640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/cdnp6/sidelight/ > Roy > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100321/9f6b93a5/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure > to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 07:25:30 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:25:30 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Canadian & American Rovers Back to the UK? In-Reply-To: <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA753AA.4030606@comcast.net> Hi, Rovernetters. Just running an unscientific poll. Most of us know that containers full of vintage British cars leave California ports everyday on their way back to the UK where rust-free examples are highly prized. A lot of British car buffs in the USA get very upset about this because it makes it more and more difficult to find cars to restore and enjoy in the country where they were sold. Maybe that's why Healey 3000's are selling for $60k at auction? I received a well-intentioned note from someone wishing to locate any number of Federal 3500S autos to ship back to Britain for restoration and, in some cases, conversion to RHD. I'm wondering what Rover owners in the USA and Canada and possibly other export destinations feel about this. My own feelings can be summed up in this manner: 1. I'd like to see all of the Rovers in my own country stay here and be restored. 2. The Federal 3500S is unique to North America, and it would be a shame if they left. 3. Unfortunately, many that are here are NOT being restored and are sitting around deteriorating. 4. If they are not going to be restored or, at least, preserved, it is probably better for them to go to Europe and the UK where they are highly valued and will get the attention they deserve. If the cars are at least in a garage somewhere, I'd just as soon see them stay here. Here's a personal experience of my own. In the early 90's, I flew from Philadelphia to Wichita, Kansas and drove home a rust-free 3500S that was sufficiently functional to make the trip of over 1,000 miles. The interior was dried out and poorly recolored. There was a cheap respray on parts of the car. It had been out in the desert sun for years, and every bit of rubber that saw sunlight was destroyed, as well as the original paint. I did a lot of disassembly, cleaning, rust-proofing, and engine bay work. When the time came to get it painted, I hit a brick wall because I didn't have the necessary funds. To make a long story short, it sat for some years and then went, along with an identical but rusty parts car with an excellent interior to another Rover lover. It took me a while to find a good home for this car because there seemed to be little interest even on the Rovernet for this car which included all of the original interior and trim parts in excellent condition to bring it back. The car's new owner also ran into some issues that prevented him from finishing the car, primarily loss of work/storage space, I believe. He, also, could not find someone to take on the project after repeated attempts and not asking much at all for the two cars. Ultimately, that car went back to the UK where it has supposedly been restored. I wish I had it here in my possession in 100-point concours condition, but I think it the guy who bought it from me probably did the right thing and that the car is better off in the UK. That's just one example of what can happen to an eminently restorable car. So, I'd like them to stay here in North America, but I'd also like to see them restored. What do you think? Glen From roger.matheson at bigpond.com Mon Mar 22 08:16:21 2010 From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (roger matheson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:16:21 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change Message-ID: <001b01cac9b9$7c0e5fd0$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf> Hi All Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached. Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. Cheers Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Francis (partviking) ________________________________ From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Monday, 22 March, 2010 12:16:21 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change Hi All Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached. Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. Cheers Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can't find Eric's email address quickly enough Could you post it for me please Thanks Hi All Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached. Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. Cheers Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Alan Francis (partviking) ________________________________ From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>; eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, 22 March, 2010 14:07:28 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Hate to do this test thing, but haven't seen messages, including the ones I have sent... To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100322/f9c9f94b/attachment.html> From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 12:11:42 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Canadian & American Rovers Back to the UK? In-Reply-To: <4BA753AA.4030606@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> <4BA753AA.4030606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <204ec4391003220911j3104f520n77380a99072d011d@mail.gmail.com> Yes and yes. Disclosure - I have one foot on either side of the Atlantic and another in a group of shakey islands in the South Pacific (you didn?t know I had three feet, did you?) The NADA/Federal cars have a certain appeal to Roverists in the old dart and to knowledgeable enthusiasts in other places. They are a distinctly different to the home market cars and to most other export models. There weren?t a lot of them, and if ever I head back to foreign climes I would like to take one of mine with me. However some of the V8s were sold in Europe after Rover dropped the US market ? Belgium was apparently one market that took a few, so they weren?t exclusively North American models, though they were developed for that market > 3. Unfortunately, many that are here are NOT being restored and are sitting > around deteriorating. > 4. If they are not going to be restored or, at least, preserved, it is > probably better for them to go to Europe and the UK where they are highly > valued and will get the attention they deserve. If the surviving cars were being restored locally then, yes, I would like to see them stay here. However I would rather see them being restored and used somewhere rather than sitting in a garage or a scrap yard and just mouldering away. Unfortunately too many Rovers are doing just that and are slowly returning to nature ? thought the return to raw materials is rather slower in a barn or in the desert than it would be in an outdoor scrapyard near a Georgia swamp it still happens. However we are assuming that these cars are being restored. In fact many cars may be being reduced to spares to provide rust free parts and or upgrades for home market cars. Some may be only fit for this, but I would not like to see a situation where a majority of the good original cars were lost to make up funky hybrids that never could have existed as a factory model. Aidrian From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 12:20:01 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net> References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <437106.47083.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glen, I (....and I am sure *all* of us) never have missed an opportunity to read your messages :-) You say you haven't seen your messages. Well,........ we all are getting older.... ;-) Eric "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>; eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 7:07:28 AM Subject: Test Hate to do this test thing, but haven't seen messages, including the ones I have sent... __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 21:45:56 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net> Okay, guys. I am trying to see if I can see the post. No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed. Glen From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 22:35:30 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:35:30 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <575459.6901.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659536.32705.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BA779A0.3010204@comcast.net> <437106.47083.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BA7D242.6040704@comcast.net> <229912.83308.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BA80FCA.9010707@comcast.net> <192813.28615.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BA81E47.8000605@comcast.net> <575459.6901.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BA828F2.6070805@comcast.net> Eric Russell wrote: > It's a good thing you didn't say something like #@$%& as we all read your Alan in the woodshed tease. > > Eric > > > "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; > "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 > Since Eric and I have been jousting with Python quotes, I thought the woodshed reference might draw some of the Goon Show people out. "Here, have a boa constrictor." "No thanks. I haven't finished this one yet." "Can't get the wood, you know." "Mailing list administration just isn't what it was before the war." Well, I'm definitely deaded on this list, punched up the conk and hit on the nut... Eric, are you there? From lingfield51 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 02:55:49 2010 From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (Juliet Keiler) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:55:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net> References: <mailman.1.1267894810.24177.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W15D43F7CB51800C41925A8E360@phx.gbl> <1B4DEEDC04DF4DE98A2A05B929F92D27@rw> <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89E2@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com> <204ec4391003081528x2ea4e7ebw5d191595ed1510cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B959E37.8010909@att.net> <001101cabfc5$e03c6f40$a0b54dc0$@ca> <9B7AC05A-B53B-4696-B79F-F1830A75DAF9@inkspotco.com> <4B972876.90808@comcast.net> <001801cac06d$f9409d10$ebc1d730$@ca> <4B97D35D.4060002@comcast.net> <4B97DCA6.4000606@att.net> <4B97E8DF.9040307@comcast.net> <4BA81D54.40102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <490330.72731.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Woodshed! Sir you insult the house of Count Jim "knee-trembler" Moriaty. It is a genuine Ming dynasty pagodo built for the Emporer Wun Hung Low and for sale at the ridiculous price of 5 english pounds. :) Alan Francis (partviking) ________________________________ From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010 1:45:56 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Okay, guys. I am trying to see if I can see the post. No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed. Glen To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Francis (partviking) Woodshed! Sir you insult the house of Count Jim "knee-trembler" Moriaty. It is a genuine Ming dynasty pagodo built for the Emporer Wun Hung Low and for sale at the ridiculous price of 5 english pounds. :) Alan Francis (partviking) ________________________________ From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010 1:45:56 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Okay, guys. I am trying to see if I can see the post. No need for reception reports from Alan Francis' woodshed. Glen To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From rovercar at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 16:45:47 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:45:47 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W37C5726E939DB81A7725118E2C0@phx.gbl> References: <mailman.10.1268788547.13267.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <SNT105-W37C5726E939DB81A7725118E2C0@phx.gbl> Message-ID: <4BA9287B.80209@comcast.net> Test From quakertech at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 22:34:49 2010 From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Message-ID: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Test From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 22:40:04 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <976527.9081.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Well, dear, are you ready? Inga: Yes, Doctor. ? ? ? ? ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:34:49 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Test ? ? ? To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From quakertech at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 22:53:00 2010 From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17533.9338.qm@web114209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, three email addresses and eight days later, I have finally received a Rovernet message. Imagine all the good stuff I have missed. Just between us, I think Eric got back from Hawaii all full of vim and vinegar and decided to clean house or at least yank my chain. ;-) Glen ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:34:49 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Test To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From quakertech at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 22:59:32 2010 From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <976527.9081.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <283820.16430.qm@web114204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <976527.9081.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <754552.68945.qm@web114201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Igor: Could be worse. Dr. Frankenstein: How so? Igor: Could be raining. (thunderclap) Frau Blucher: He was my boyfriend! Igor: Blucher!! (neighing) Wilson: Oh mystery of life, at last I've found you! ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:40:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Well, dear, are you ready? Inga: Yes, Doctor. "Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen Wilson <quakertech at yahoo.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:34:49 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Test To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From quakertech at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 23:35:37 2010 From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test4 Message-ID: <802136.79441.qm@web114205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> test From gwilson at quakertech.com Tue Mar 23 23:47:13 2010 From: gwilson at quakertech.com (gwilson at quakertech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test Message-ID: <20100323204712.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.04e6b4c7ca.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100323/2d1cb57b/attachment.html> From gwilson at quakertech.com Wed Mar 24 00:02:05 2010 From: gwilson at quakertech.com (gwilson at quakertech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests Message-ID: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Sorry for all of these tests. Many strange things going on. Some messages appear as having reached Rovernet, some don't. Can send directly to Rovernet, but can't reply to a message. Checking for plain text vs html and so forth. This will probably go on for a while, so please just disregard the messages. List members may be able to see them all, but I only see a few. You don't need to tell me if you see the message or not. I know you'd like to help out, but Eric and I have to sort this crazy situation out. Glen From quakertech at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 00:17:53 2010 From: quakertech at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests In-Reply-To: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20100323210205.5faa89c132e7873d8368ebf7352ddd90.a178aef101.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <47473.57241.qm@web114212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 98765 ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gwilson at quakertech.com" <gwilson at quakertech.com> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca > Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:02:05 AM > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tests > > Sorry for all of these tests. Many strange things going on. Some messages > appear as having reached Rovernet, some don't. Can send directly to Rovernet, > but can't reply to a message. Checking for plain text vs html and so forth. > This will probably go on for a while, so please just disregard the messages. > List members may be able to see them all, but I only see a few. You don't > need to tell me if you see the message or not. I know you'd like to help out, > but Eric and I have to sort this crazy situation > out. Glen To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings > go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > href="http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca" target=_blank > >http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From veetwinrider at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 09:15:29 2010 From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change Message-ID: <976699.65103.qm@web180509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap parts while both engines on the ground for access. roland --- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote: From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM Hi All Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car.? Time is very limited.? I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required.? Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue.? More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached.? Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. Cheers Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100322/ed17c892/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com Wed Mar 24 09:53:46 2010 From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:53:46 EDT Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors Message-ID: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> Aw Cripes Glen, Kent, Eric, et al, I am still behind in my non work, non Dad emails, so I appologise for my bad ettiquette in replying to stale email. However I just can't let this go by. I had a quick look down the screen and couldn't see any other Aussies commenting, so I thought I had better say something. Back about 15 -20 years ago, I used to regularly bump into a bloke who was decended from the original "Ghans". They were the people who introduced the Camel Trains to Oz. Very different to the people who come to Oz from his traditional homeland today. I would be running my Semi-Trailer "Roun' Town" and he was doing similiar hours running InterState Sydney - Brisbone. We would be unloading at the same docks in the middle of the night. He used to fly a very pretty Atkinson, that he bought new in 1973. When the original Gardner (Mancunian ) donk got tired, he picked up what must have been the very last of the Rolls-Royce Sixes available in Oz as a Spare Part ( I think they might have been sold by DeHavilland in Oz) and stuck that between the rails. As an OT comment, from memory, the Gardner just never had enough grunt, so when it got tired after about 9 years and at least a million miles or more ( or two Million) he overhauled everything and dropped the New Roller in between the rails. I don't think the Roller made any more than 250 HP. Or less. It just kept going and going and going, going, going, going and going, JUST like his Afghan forebears when they were contracted to bring their Camels to Oz. The time came when they had to buy Trucks to do the same job, so they turned their Camels loose. That was the start of the Ozzy wild Camel Herd. Apparently a while back our Ozzie Camels, the wild ones, were the best in the world. The Arabs had got theirs all InBred ( you know, five legged and two headed). This Rat Bag I met in the late 70's had done some time on a Camel Shooting Contract over in WA. It had been decided that the Camels had to be Culled. These lunatics had got a hold of a Civilinatised Irouquois eggbeater and an eight wheel drive fuel truck. In about 4 months, their seven man AirCrew gave the WA Camel population the Holocaust via .458 Magnums. This has got a bit dark here, just trying to lay some facts down. A bird I got a bit chummy with back over 15 years ago had a Best Friend ( of the female persuasion) who had crossed Oz with Camels. It was written up in the National Geoghrapic who might have put up some dough. The article might be now almost 30 years old now. To do that trip she needed some intelligent assistants. Camels were perfect. Horses look at you and first ask the question "Are we ( the Humans ), going to EAT Them, ( The Horses). Once they figure out that they are not for Dinner, they set out to eat grass and chat up the sheilas. They only work with Humans because it is FUN. Further OT my DAD should be contacted here. I have seen the trailer loaded with Trusting Horses , on the way to the "Doggers". My Dad stopped one from getting on that trailer many years ago. Dogs. They team up with humans because these days they have been bred to do it. However I still like the theory that it was Dogs that civilised Humans. The Dog was trying to get through to these stupid Ape derivatives, if you help me catch that animal over there with your fingers, we can share it for dinner, otherwise I am going to have to eat you. The Humans caught on. Now Dogs are Domesticated. Some Animal Psychologist can continue that line. Camels. A lot smarter that a Horse. If they think that you are a dill, they will let you know. If they can form a proper working relationship with humans to live a good life, they will do it, ON THEIR OWN TERMS. They TRUST HUMANS with THEIR OWN LIFE, once humans have gained their trust. Camels will stay with Humans in dificult circumstances long after it is logical to them (the Camels) that their life may be in danger. They stress out like a Human. Anyway, this is why we had Camel Trains in Oz before Road Trains. Glen, a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell. I am getting tired again, I shall deal with Aussie Camel Racing some other time as well as Jim's P6b Repco-Holden Camel Rover. Glen, you need at least an acre to have a Camel at home, plus feed supplements and an exercise area. They chew their Cud, if you are not up to their standard you shall wear a Cud. A shower for an hour shall be required to remove it. Meanwhile they will build another one ..... I hope the silliness ends here. My appologies for the OT, I just couldn't help it. Regards All, Mark Jones. P.S. I have just got to catch up and post some piccy's of my babies in better times. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfasten the driveshaft. Car needs to be high in the air, engine & gearbox need to be close to 45 degrees to get them out and over the nose of the car. That's pretty close to it, I think. Yours Vern On 2010-03-24, at 6:15 AM, roland wrote: > One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap parts while both engines on the ground for access. > > roland > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote: > > > From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM > > > Hi All > > Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. > > Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor set attached. > > Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working on my own. > > Cheers > > Roger > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100322/ed17c892/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 11:43:55 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:43:55 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Message-ID: <4BAA333B.8030102@comcast.net> Test From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 11:49:39 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test In-Reply-To: <4BAA333B.8030102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1777184034.18585871269445779154.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Test, good! Slats I think the rovernet has been down for about two days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:43:55 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Test To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100324/6572b64c/attachment.html> From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 11:54:38 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Final test? Message-ID: <4BAA35BE.7000206@comcast.net> 12345 From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 11:55:20 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:55:20 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] I'm back on the Rovernet... Message-ID: <4BAA35E8.6040404@comcast.net> ...in case anyone but Eric cares. Eric, did we fix it, or did the elves who work on the servers fix something beyond our ken? I resubscribed this morning with my usual email address after seeing a message from Vern on on of the other addresses (which I had unsubscribed from yesterday, but let's not go there). Glen From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 12:07:46 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> Message-ID: <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-) Eric __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From rovercar at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 23:26:25 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:26:25 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test2 Message-ID: <4BA98661.2000107@comcast.net> Please stand by... From quakertech at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 00:16:02 2010 From: quakertech at gmail.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test Message-ID: <13d9cc421003232116n6ad0b293u50904d3860a61f7f@mail.gmail.com> 54321 From gwbridge at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 00:41:03 2010 From: gwbridge at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Test Message-ID: <4BA997DF.3090102@comcast.net> GW From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 11:38:28 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:38:28 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test In-Reply-To: <9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com> References: <976699.65103.qm@web180509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <4BAA31F4.1070202@comcast.net> test From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Wed Mar 24 12:18:26 2010 From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:18:26 +0100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Jaguar for sale In-Reply-To: <4BAA333B.8030102@comcast.net> References: <4BAA333B.8030102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE3020ADD4C@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel> http://motori.corriere.it/motori/varie/10_marzo_18/auto-regina-elisabetta-jaguar-daimler_84ad4306-328f-11df-b043-00144f02aabe.shtml H. M. DAIMLER - CAR FOR SALE, WE ALL KNOW THE PREVIOUS OWNER Ma ci sono dubbi sull'effettiva provenienza del veicolo, ora nelle mani di un collezionista In vendita l'auto privata di Sua Maest? Per 73 mila euro ? possibile portare a casa la Jaguar Daimler seminuova che ? stata della regina Elisabetta From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 13:04:01 2010 From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1292075001.18628371269450241952.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Eric, How many "Loonies" for a Unicorn? Slats ;?- ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:07:46 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-) Eric ?? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. ?Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100324/f1c7bd70/attachment.html> From vmitps at netspace.net.au Wed Mar 24 16:53:12 2010 From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:53:12 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change In-Reply-To: <9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com> References: <976699.65103.qm@web180509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9D46B242-9881-4B7B-BAC3-BB016C360298@inkspotco.com> Message-ID: <E67BCC65E88443D6A43005064F1DD424@Vista> Drain the engine and gearbox oil. I find getting the correct angle takes 2 lifts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Klukas" <vern at inkspotco.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change > HI Roland > > If you are on the ball, no reason you couldn't swap engines in a single > day. You can leave the carbs & manifold attached. Rad has to come out, > fuel line off, oil lines off if you have an oil cooler. Oil pressure, > dizzy wire, temp senders and generator/alternator wires removed, starter > cable removed. Accelerator linkage detached. Under the car, slave cylinder > detached, exhaust pipe removed, gearbox mount removed, shifter linkage > detached, speedo cable and reverse light switch wires off. Unfasten the > driveshaft. > > Car needs to be high in the air, engine & gearbox need to be close to 45 > degrees to get them out and over the nose of the car. > > That's pretty close to it, I think. > > Yours > Vern > > On 2010-03-24, at 6:15 AM, roland wrote: > >> One day with air tools. Leave as much on the engine as possible. Swap >> parts while both engines on the ground for access. >> >> roland >> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: roger matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Quick engine change >> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> >> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:16 AM >> >> >> Hi All >> >> Have to urgently swop engines between my daily driver 200TC (that has >> developed a knock in the valve train somewhere ) and a 2000 TC parts car. >> Time is very limited. I plan to change engine and gearbox all in one. >> >> Please advise on the minimal dismantling that is required so as to >> minimise the time required. Height, crane and underbody clearance not so >> much an issue. More specifically can I leave the carby's and extractor >> set attached. >> >> Can anyone gestimate the time required 2 engines out and one in, working >> on my own. >> >> Cheers >> >> Roger >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100322/ed17c892/attachment.html> >> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca >> >> >> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be >> sure to scroll down the whole page. >> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > > Inkspot Type & Design 250 864 5619 in at inkspotco.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 24 18:47:26 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:17:26 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BAA967E.4020206@ozemail.com.au> Hi all Just have to chime in here ...... ;-) The Parachilna pub here in outback South Australia offers "local" fare. http://www.prairiehotel.com.au/plateframe.htm I have tried and can recommend all on offer .... Cheers Dave South Oz On 3/25/2010 2:37 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > Mark Jones noted, "Glen, a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They > are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but > it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the > SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." > > That sounds like Canadians going after unicorns and lions for a main course :-) > > Eric From den at aachenkennels.com Wed Mar 24 19:43:30 2010 From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:43:30 +0900 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD1608211F@Server.adoptsec.local> Keep the silliness going Mark makes a jolly good read And a nice bit of a break from cars. Camels are smart, if you upset them they walk away with the hump....(sorry) Den Gallacher. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of MarkCoorparoo at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 9:54 PM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors Aw Cripes Glen, Kent, Eric, et al, I am still behind in my non work, non Dad emails, so I appologise for my bad ettiquette in replying to stale email. However I just can't let this go by. I had a quick look down the screen and couldn't see any other Aussies commenting, so I thought I had better say something. Back about 15 -20 years ago, I used to regularly bump into a bloke who was decended from the original "Ghans". They were the people who introduced the Camel Trains to Oz. Very different to the people who come to Oz from his traditional homeland today. I would be running my Semi-Trailer "Roun' Town" and he was doing similiar hours running InterState Sydney - Brisbone. We would be unloading at the same docks in the middle of the night. He used to fly a very pretty Atkinson, that he bought new in 1973. When the original Gardner (Mancunian ) donk got tired, he picked up what must have been the very last of the Rolls-Royce Sixes available in Oz as a Spare Part ( I think they might have been sold by DeHavilland in Oz) and stuck that between the rails. As an OT comment, from memory, the Gardner just never had enough grunt, so when it got tired after about 9 years and at least a million miles or more ( or two Million) he overhauled everything and dropped the New Roller in between the rails. I don't think the Roller made any more than 250 HP. Or less. It just kept going and going and going, going, going, going and going, JUST like his Afghan forebears when they were contracted to bring their Camels to Oz. The time came when they had to buy Trucks to do the same job, so they turned their Camels loose. That was the start of the Ozzy wild Camel Herd. Apparently a while back our Ozzie Camels, the wild ones, were the best in the world. The Arabs had got theirs all InBred ( you know, five legged and two headed). This Rat Bag I met in the late 70's had done some time on a Camel Shooting Contract over in WA. It had been decided that the Camels had to be Culled. These lunatics had got a hold of a Civilinatised Irouquois eggbeater and an eight wheel drive fuel truck. In about 4 months, their seven man AirCrew gave the WA Camel population the Holocaust via .458 Magnums. This has got a bit dark here, just trying to lay some facts down. A bird I got a bit chummy with back over 15 years ago had a Best Friend ( of the female persuasion) who had crossed Oz with Camels. It was written up in the National Geoghrapic who might have put up some dough. The article might be now almost 30 years old now. To do that trip she needed some intelligent assistants. Camels were perfect. Horses look at you and first ask the question "Are we ( the Humans ), going to EAT Them, ( The Horses). Once they figure out that they are not for Dinner, they set out to eat grass and chat up the sheilas. They only work with Humans because it is FUN. Further OT my DAD should be contacted here. I have seen the trailer loaded with Trusting Horses , on the way to the "Doggers". My Dad stopped one from getting on that trailer many years ago. Dogs. They team up with humans because these days they have been bred to do it. However I still like the theory that it was Dogs that civilised Humans. The Dog was trying to get through to these stupid Ape derivatives, if you help me catch that animal over there with your fingers, we can share it for dinner, otherwise I am going to have to eat you. The Humans caught on. Now Dogs are Domesticated. Some Animal Psychologist can continue that line. Camels. A lot smarter that a Horse. If they think that you are a dill, they will let you know. If they can form a proper working relationship with humans to live a good life, they will do it, ON THEIR OWN TERMS. They TRUST HUMANS with THEIR OWN LIFE, once humans have gained their trust. Camels will stay with Humans in dificult circumstances long after it is logical to them (the Camels) that their life may be in danger. They stress out like a Human. Anyway, this is why we had Camel Trains in Oz before Road Trains. Glen, a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell. I am getting tired again, I shall deal with Aussie Camel Racing some other time as well as Jim's P6b Repco-Holden Camel Rover. Glen, you need at least an acre to have a Camel at home, plus feed supplements and an exercise area. They chew their Cud, if you are not up to their standard you shall wear a Cud. A shower for an hour shall be required to remove it. Meanwhile they will build another one ..... I hope the silliness ends here. My appologies for the OT, I just couldn't help it. Regards All, Mark Jones. P.S. I have just got to catch up and post some piccy's of my babies in better times. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/201 00324/ac8df8c9/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Mar 25 04:29:40 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:29:40 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Mark Jones noted, "Glen,? a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They >are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but >it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the >SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." There is really only one way to eat Emu. Put a rock and an Emu in a pot, cook it for two hours, then throw away the Emu. :-) OTOH, roo is delicious, I have roo burgers and roo sausages in the freezer at the moment. Peter The Devil from Tassie Cheers, Peter H From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 25 05:18:12 2010 From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:48:12 +1030 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au> Roo has almost no fat and contains little cholesterol. Most common mistake in preparation is overcooking. Medium rare with garlic and a light plum sauce ...... mmmmmmm. Roos for human consumption are often farmed. Wild roos are most likely to be infested with worm parasites. BTW, the William Creek Hotel midway down the Oodnadatta track often displays "road kill" as it's cheapest menu option. http://www.wrightsair.com.au/historywilliamcreek.htm Cheers Dave South Oz On 3/25/2010 6:59 PM, Peter Huttemeier wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >> Mark Jones noted, "Glen, a bit of Humour and History. I think only Arabs eat Camels. They >> are trying to get us to eat Kangaroo and Emu in Oz, "The Coat of Arms", but >> it is just not catching on. You can sometimes find Deer and Croc in the >> SuperMarkets but it just doesn't sell." > > There is really only one way to eat Emu. > > Put a rock and an Emu in a pot, cook it for two hours, then throw away > the Emu. :-) > > OTOH, roo is delicious, I have roo burgers and roo sausages in the > freezer at the moment. > > Peter The Devil from Tassie > Cheers, > > Peter H From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Mar 25 05:41:04 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:41:04 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Camel Reflectors -OT In-Reply-To: <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:48:12 +1030, you wrote: > >BTW, the William Creek Hotel midway down the Oodnadatta track often displays "road kill" as it's cheapest menu option. Trouble with road kill down here is you have to fight the Devils for it. Cheers, Peter H From phing at videotron.ca Thu Mar 25 17:00:33 2010 From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? Message-ID: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> Hi I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , or my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers , yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100325/28ec6a5e/attachment.html> From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 17:48:43 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? In-Reply-To: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> Message-ID: <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patrick, In the Rovernet archives, I can see 44 Rovernet messages from?March 19. Of those messages, 20 of them are either Glen (or me answering Glen) regarding his inability to receive?his own postings on the Rovernet. Another?couple of members have observed irregularities of service compared to what they are used to. I would entertain suggestions for another web hosting service which would carry the free "Mailman" software or would help install it. I am not confident in the one that I have. When I search for other web hosts, I?see a wide variety of experiences noted about one service or the other (mainly slagging some outfit or other). I think this is another case of "you get what you pay for".? I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet. If you can suggest a service test for yourself, I'd be?happy to help. Also, if anyone else in Roverdom who knows of a reliable and reasonably priced "reseller"?web host, I'd be very interested.? I need to be able to have a main domain or "account" and the ability to install about 7 or 8 other sub-domains using the same server space (shared server). Eric List Admin ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:00:33 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? Hi I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , or my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers , yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100325/28ec6a5e/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 25 17:56:11 2010 From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:56:11 -0000 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> Message-ID: <757EBCF43EFF40AEBE85FB069E7E80FD@SN037535920331> Its reached me but not necessarily intelligent life!!!! Regards Mark in Wolverhampton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hiron" <phing at videotron.ca> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? > Hi > > I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a > record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , > or > my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers , > yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !! > > Thanks > > Patrick > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100325/28ec6a5e/attachment.html> > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be > sure to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Mar 25 18:29:03 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:29:03 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? In-Reply-To: <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet. Eric, I sent a message directly to Patrick, jic. I wonder if he has a spam filter either at ISP level or PC, and Rovernet mail is being marked as spam? Can you tell from the logs if his address is bouncing? I also suggested he try a web based email like Gmail for the Rovernet for a while to see if that makes any difference. Cheers, Peter H From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 18:51:37 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? In-Reply-To: <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com> References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com> Message-ID: <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Thanks for the advice. Patrick's Rovernet is not bouncing according to the server. I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-( Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts? Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:29:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >I wouldn't jump to accuse Videotron just yet. Some Internet Service Providers (ISP) routinely block email that appears to come from a mass distribution system like the Rovernet. Eric, I sent a message directly to Patrick, jic. I wonder if he has a spam filter either at ISP level or PC, and Rovernet mail is being marked as spam? Can you tell from the logs if his address is bouncing? I also suggested he try a web based email like Gmail for the Rovernet for a while to see if that makes any difference. Cheers, Peter H To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Mar 25 19:45:38 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:45:38 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? In-Reply-To: <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com> <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT), Eric wrote: > >I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-( >Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts? ISPs ............. I have satellite broadband, or what passes for broadband in Australia. I just ran a ZDnet test and it came back at 3600kbps, but it is usually slower than that. But that's the theoretical speed, actual speed on the Net depends on so much. Here in Oz of course it has to get across the pond in the first place. But saying that, I always receive back my post to the Rovernet and it is usually within a short time from sending. Whether I receive everyone else's post of course I cant tell unless I look at the history on the server, which I don't do very often. All I know is when someone posts a message about not receiving anything for x days, usually it has not applied to me, there has been traffic. The Net can be a weird place!! Cheers, Peter H From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 22:10:20 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? In-Reply-To: <fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com> References: <000001cacc5e$3617c500$a2474f00$@ca> <291168.21336.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <nlonq5lskqgrk1aa59nkrc37l3src0l1lv@4ax.com> <348603.22531.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <fhsnq5dup3u380v12rlome56d6pth9fuao@4ax.com> Message-ID: <342564.20808.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Excellent tips. Thanks for the information. Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 4:45:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT), Eric wrote: > >I am receiving patheticly slow Internet myself and I put it down to marketing plan costing of my own ISP.? (Yes, we provide "high speed internet". Oh, actually we have 4 levels and you are on level 2. Cross our palms with more money and we'll see what we can do.)? :-( >Anyway........ while we're on the line......... are you noticing any gaps or slow downs in Rovernet posts and receipts? ISPs ............. I have satellite broadband, or what passes for broadband in Australia. I just ran a ZDnet test and it came back at 3600kbps, but it is usually slower than that. But that's the theoretical speed, actual speed on the Net depends on so much. Here in Oz of course it has to get across the pond in the first place. But saying that, I always receive back my post to the Rovernet and it is usually within a short time from sending. Whether I receive everyone else's post of course I cant tell unless I look at the history on the server, which I don't do very often. All I know is when someone posts a message about not receiving anything for x days, usually it has not applied to me, there has been traffic. The Net can be a weird place!! Cheers, Peter H To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jLewis at wsscwater.com Fri Mar 26 08:18:53 2010 From: jLewis at wsscwater.com (Lewis, Joseph (Michael)) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:18:53 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Death of Videotron ?? Message-ID: <B263CD0849EEED4496950A6F1247AB6C07400C@COB-EXV-01.wssc.ad.root> Patrick - I received your post. J. Michael Lewis ___________________________ ______ (__WSSC WATER )~ |___D\______ | OOO | OO |OO --------O-\ WSSC 14501 Sweitzer Lane Laurel MD 20707 301.206.7054 fax 301.206.7110 (c) 240.687.8055 jlewis at wsscwater.com Hi I've received nothing from Rovernet since Saturday20/3/2010 , Is this a record .??Either Rover owners are preoccupied with fettling their cars , or my Internet provider , the dreaded Videotron , is playing silly B ***ers , yet again . If this reaches intelligent life please respond !! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/2010 0325/28ec6a5e/attachment.html> To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100326/8acfe561/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 575 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100326/8acfe561/attachment.gif> From rovercar at comcast.net Fri Mar 26 22:40:50 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages... In-Reply-To: <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au> <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net> After all of those test messages, I am back online. More or less. I went to look at the archives to see what I had missed when I wasn't getting messages. I noticed that I have not received any of the "Videotron" series of messages. I currently have no spam filter on my computer, and the spam filter at my ISP is switched off. Don't know what this means unless Comcast won't even allow the mere mention of Videotron on its system. Just seems to me that something is behaving differently upstream in the Rovernet software. Glen From p6rovers at yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 22:56:45 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages... In-Reply-To: <4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> <4BAB2A54.1080407@ozemail.com.au> <erbmq59squ82hnlm36i4q6rfftf13mcahn@4ax.com> <4BAD7032.80800@comcast.net> Message-ID: <705314.87253.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since I have no confidence in the web host for the Rovernet and all the other sites which spring from the same source, you have no?argument from me. A CHEAP and RELIABLE web host with `reselling` option coupled with good customer service AND a good reputation in a Google search is as rare as `rocking horse poop`? :-) Let me know if you know of a good web host. The ship is not sinking but I am checking the lifeboats? :-) Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 7:40:50 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet messages... After all of those test messages, I am back online.? More or less. I went to look at the archives to see what I had missed when I wasn't getting messages. I noticed that I have not received any of the "Videotron" series of messages. I currently have no spam filter on my computer, and the spam filter at my ISP is switched off. Don't know what this means unless Comcast won't even allow the mere mention of Videotron on its system. Just seems to me that something is behaving differently upstream in the Rovernet software. Glen To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Mar 29 07:55:59 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question Message-ID: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> According to the BBC: "The Formula 1 racing driver, who was arrested on Friday, is expected to be charged with improper use of a vehicle. "Mr Hamilton, who was in the country for the Australian Grand Prix, has apologised for his "over-exuberance". "Mr Pallas criticised the 25-year-old British racing driver on the day that Victoria launched a Don't Be a Dickhead road safety campaign. "Asked whether Lewis Hamilton met that description, he said: "OK, I'll say it. He's a dickhead." "But Australian driver Mark Webber has defended his fellow competitor, saying his homeland had become a nanny state, with ridiculous parking and speeding rules." What Hamilton did was spin his rear tires. Just how exuberant he was isn't clear in any of the reports. So, Victoria actually have a government program called "Don't Be a Dickhead." In the States, that term would be a reference to the male anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned crude in mixed company. I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally). "Don't Be a Dickhead" would, at very least, be considered sexist since it doesn't seem possible for a female driving recklessly to be thinking with a bit of male genitalia. Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, or is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign? Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100329/9ebbcb8d/attachment.html> From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 11:15:49 2010 From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:15:49 -0700 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question In-Reply-To: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a creative use of profanity than most other places. I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to "dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly offensive. but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a slighlty admiring way Aidrian > In the States, that term would be a reference to the male > anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned > crude in mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores > rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a > government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally). From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 12:17:37 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language In-Reply-To: <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact Tom for details. (This message contains Rover content? :-) Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a creative use of profanity? than most other places. I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to "dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a slighlty admiring way Aidrian > In the States, that term would be a reference to the male > anatomy and be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned > crude in mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores > rooted in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a > government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally). To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From peterhut at activ8.net.au Mon Mar 29 18:26:49 2010 From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language In-Reply-To: <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. >http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ >>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, or >>is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign? Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now put my hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen on this topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers Eric. Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar connotation. In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used in almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is "Don't be a bloody idiot". In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but he was more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced himself as such. When I first started in the job I was always being told, just wait until you meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet this stupid person. Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing about 15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in those days could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-) Cheers, Peter H From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 22:54:07 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language In-Reply-To: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com> References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com> Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 22:57:01 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language In-Reply-To: <464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BB0954F.2030109@comcast.net> <204ec4391003290815p33bcdfd5wfb597c7aeda0898a@mail.gmail.com> <689917.16173.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7@4ax.com> <464893.91407.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com. I guess more research is needed. Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From dirk at vy-tek.com Tue Mar 30 15:45:14 2010 From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1269964805.3304.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> Message-ID: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2> Hello All, Lets get on to the subject about a FREE rover with Suicide doors!!! Who has it and what is it???? Dirk -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of rovernet-request at rovernet.ca Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:00 PM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to rovernet at rovernet.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rovernet-request at rovernet.ca You can reach the person managing the list at rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to which you are referring. Today's Topics: 1. Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language (Eric Russell) 2. Re: Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language (Peter Huttemeier) 3. Re: Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language (Eric Russell) 4. Re: Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language (Eric Russell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Message-ID: <689917.16173.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact Tom for details. (This message contains Rover content? :-) Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a creative use of profanity? than most other places. I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to "dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a slighlty admiring way Aidrian > In the States, that term would be a reference to the male anatomy and > be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned crude in > mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores rooted > in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a > government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally). To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100 From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7 at 4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. >http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ >>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, >>or is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign? Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now put my hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen on this topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers Eric. Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar connotation. In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used in almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is "Don't be a bloody idiot". In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but he was more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced himself as such. When I first started in the job I was always being told, just wait until you meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet this stupid person. Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing about 15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in those days could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-) Cheers, Peter H ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm at web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com. I guess more research is needed. Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca End of Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 **************************************** From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 16:43:40 2010 From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2> References: <F11ADE05EA2C4EB88A3D6BA623BBC8AF@DirkPC2> Message-ID: <897949.65523.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Tom Trafton in southern California: v8rover at earthlink.net Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dirk Burrowes <dirk at vy-tek.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:45:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 Hello All, Lets get on to the subject about a FREE rover with Suicide doors!!! Who has it and what is it???? Dirk -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of rovernet-request at rovernet.ca Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:00 PM To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to ??? rovernet at rovernet.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? rovernet-request at rovernet.ca You can reach the person managing the list at ??? rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to which you are referring. Today's Topics: ? 1. Was: Australian Language Question now??? graphical language ? ? ? (Eric Russell) ? 2. Re: Was: Australian Language Question??? now graphical language ? ? ? (Peter Huttemeier) ? 3. Re: Was: Australian Language Question??? now graphical language ? ? ? (Eric Russell) ? 4. Re: Was: Australian Language Question??? now graphical language ? ? ? (Eric Russell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." ??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question ??? now??? graphical language Message-ID: <689917.16173.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ Anyway,........ we are probably?walking into muddy water again and should talk about a free Rover with suicide doors available for free in Southern California, ref: Tom Trafton. If interested, let me know and I'll contact Tom for details. (This message contains Rover content? :-) Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 8:15:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT - Australian Language Question Yes it is still profane, but overall OZ is generally more comforatble with a creative use of profanity? than most other places. I think over the years the term has begun to lose some of it's orginal connotations, but still rather neatly describes a certain type of idiocy. "Hoon" is another word that describes the sort of people who have these tendencies, but rather lacks some nuances when compared to "dickhead": no one can say the latter without being at least slightly offensive.? but a young man might call his mate "a bit of hoon" in a slighlty admiring way Aidrian > In the States, that term would be a reference to the male anatomy and > be considered fairly mild in male company but pretty darned crude in > mixed company. ?I know our beloved USA is a nation with mores rooted > in repressed Puritan and Calvinist stock, but you would never see a > government program with a name like that (or at least not intentionally). To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:49 +1100 From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." ??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language ??? Question??? now graphical language Message-ID: <nu62r5p0s7bfa6rva1cuehht6rp0tr27u7 at 4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Hmmmm,....... Glen........ you seem to be saying that it WOULD be wrong to publicly use the word "dickhead" but not so wrong as to arrange to have a map of the USA and superimpose gun cross-hairs on the locations of?political opponents. >http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/olson-palin-inappropriate/ >>Is this a case of linguistic like tyre vs tire or spanner vs wrench, >>or is it just a remarkable name for a safe driving campaign? Firstly, on the recent topic of non receipt of messages, I must now put my hand up and say I did not receive the original email from Glen on this topic. So you can now add me to the list of non receivers Eric. Second, on the topic of "dickhead", these days it is in common use and probably is more Aussie slang or colloquialism than having any vulgar connotation. In that respect it is similar to the use of "Bloody", this is now used in almost everyday language. There is another Government sponsored advertisement highlighting the danger of drink driving, it's slogan is "Don't be a bloody idiot". In passing, I must tell you the story of Dick Head. I once had a work colleague called Dick Head, his real name was of course Richard, but he was more than happy to be known as Dick, and even introduced himself as such. When I first started in the job I was always being told, just wait until you meet dickhead, so I thought I was to meet this stupid person. Then one day I met him, He was a huge guy, well over 6ft and weighing about 15 stone, so you did not mess with him!! A person who even in those days could get away with calling himself Dick Head!! :-) Cheers, Peter H ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." ??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language ??? Question??? now graphical language Message-ID: <464893.91407.qm at web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." ??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language ??? Question??? now graphical language Message-ID: <642668.68598.qm at web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, By 19:55 hours, I had checked my own message in the archives and it had also arrived in my Rovernet INBOX at p6rovers at yahoo.com. I guess more research is needed. Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 1975 ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 7:54:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: Australian Language Question now graphical language Peter, Thanks for the updated information on both current cultural?discussion in Australia and your observation with the Rovernet. Glen had problems seeing his own posts on the Rovernet and we worked for some time on that. Would you please cross-check your findings against other postings from other people so we can be more clear on the situation. Send button clicked: Mon. March 29, 19:54 hrs PDT Eric ?"Always look on the bright side of life."... Life of Brian, 1979; "I'm not dead yet!" ..... Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 197 ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier.? Optimized for Yahoo!? Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca End of Rovernet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 **************************************** To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 20:47:49 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC Message-ID: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Roverists, I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! Nathan From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Wed Mar 31 03:36:26 2010 From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:36:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC In-Reply-To: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87995.23662.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> P6's were always subject to clutch drag, particularly in reverse. I had a similar problem on my '66 car and was convinced it was the clutch but actually it turned out to be the slave cylinder. Often a few depressions 'pump it up' and allow you to engage/avoid creep only to return to inabaility to engage after a few minutes. Try a bleed, then a new slave cyl before committing to gearbox out clutch strip scenario. Alan Francis (partviking) ________________________________ From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> To: NEW RovernetRovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Sent: Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 1:47:49 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC Roverists, I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! Nathan To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100331/27f730b9/attachment.html> From bsaunders at firstva.com Wed Mar 31 09:47:25 2010 From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:47:25 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC In-Reply-To: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <733198.15811.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FA97A15A4394CEE81DA815F4B3A75E9@SD1> Nathan, You may have a rusted disc that is stuck to the flywheel if the car won't go into gear while the engine is running but shifts OK while off. This is a problem that happens quite often on the Land Rovers with the 2.25 engine and I have had it happen to other Rover models. Ben -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Nathan Obuch Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: NEW RovernetRovernet Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC Roverists, I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! Nathan To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure to scroll down the whole page. http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca From TheOrganDoctor at aol.com Wed Mar 31 15:07:35 2010 From: TheOrganDoctor at aol.com (TheOrganDoctor at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:35 EDT Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch Drag Message-ID: <52390.44802152.38e4f777@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2010 12:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rovernet-request at rovernet.ca writes: Send Rovernet mailing list submissions to rovernet at rovernet.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rovernet-request at rovernet.ca You can reach the person managing the list at rovernet-owner at rovernet.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rovernet digest..." Please edit your digest reply by changing the subject line to the topic to which you are referring. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC (Ben Saunders) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:47:25 -0400 From: "Ben Saunders" <bsaunders at firstva.com> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC Message-ID: <9FA97A15A4394CEE81DA815F4B3A75E9 at SD1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It could be that you have air in the clutch lines/cylinders. Try bleeding them. -----Original Message----- From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Nathan Obuch Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: NEW RovernetRovernet Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag issue(?) 2000 TC Roverists, I moved my '69 2000 TC the other day (it sat throughout the winter) and discovered a new problem...it didn't want to engage any gears with the engine on. By engaging first (for example) with the engine off and then starting the car, I was able to move it around OK. The confusing thing to me is that any clutch drag can't be too severe, as the car doesn't want to creep forward by itself when the clutch is fully depressed and it's in 1st gear. I'd suspect misadjustment or a problem with the hydraulics, but the friction point seems normal...it grabs when the pedal is about 1/2 way up. I'm thinking that either the disc or pressure plate itself is damaged and is causing slight drag OR the pilot bearing in the flywheel is binding. Any thoughts? Aargh, this car keeps developing new problems faster than I can fix the existing ones! Nathan 49 **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Garrett On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Albert Boasberg <ABoasberg at webtv.net>wrote: > Dear Mark: > > I am looking for an oil pressure sending unit for this car. > > The part requested is for the guage, not for the dashboard warning > light. > > I also need the round Viking badge or decal that mounts in the center > of the boot lid. > > Thanks. > > Albert > > > To unsubscribe to the list or change your settings go to this page. Be sure > to scroll down the whole page. > http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100331/955a44cb/attachment.html> From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 31 17:55:42 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No messages In-Reply-To: <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> References: <d756.14ad3c9b.38db736a@aol.com> <434143.37525.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <oi7mq5lvmop95q7v5mu83lsube3nc6s8tr@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4BB3C4DE.3050903@comcast.net> I have to go to the archives to see what's going on with Rovernet. I am not receiving messages, again, and don't know if this one will go through. Glen From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 31 18:03:47 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:03:47 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No messages 2 Message-ID: <4BB3C6C3.3070106@comcast.net> My post showed up in archives, but I received no copy to my address. From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 18:22:21 2010 From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch drag Message-ID: <300724.18321.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks for your replies, gents. It's definitely not the disc rusted stuck to the flywheel thing (that causes a similar symptom, but in that case the clutch would not disengage at all... this disengages almost completely i.e. if you start the car in gear with the clutch depressed it won't lurch forward by itself like a car with a stuck clutch.) It doesn't even have a creeping problem. I guess I will double check the hydraulics to make sure there's enough travel before digging into the clutch mechanicals. Nathan From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Mar 31 18:28:24 2010 From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] crosshairs Message-ID: <4BB3CC88.6030907@comcast.net> Eric, Most of us in the USA know that anything north of the 48th parallel is Canada's responsibility, and that includes Sara Palin. She's yours. You're welcome. And recently we found out she was going to BC for health care, anyway. I think that if we ever saw her birth certificate, it would be Canadian. Not only that, but her husband was active in a secessionist group. I think they are Canadian sleepers planted years ago when oil was discovered in Alaska as part of the Canadian version of Manifest Destiny. Just remember: If you take Alaska, you also get Sarah and the family. From rovercarwilson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 22:32:09 2010 From: rovercarwilson at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes... Message-ID: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just testing, again. I can't subscribe via my Gmail or GoDaddy email accounts. I can send but not receive on my Comcast account. Thisis from an old Yahoo Mail account, but I don't see any option for setting it to plain text. So, here goes. Testing, again. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rovernet.ca/mailman/private/rovernet_rovernet.ca/attachments/20100331/46c97a7a/attachment.html> From rovercarwilson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 22:35:20 2010 From: rovercarwilson at yahoo.com (Glen Wilson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes... In-Reply-To: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <112146.73109.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687929.55889.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It works. If only I wanted a Yahoo Mail account. You have to pay them $20 a year to have mail forwarded to a POP account. ________________________________ From: Glen Wilson <rovercarwilson at yahoo.com> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 10:32:09 PM Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Connection woes... Just testing, again. I can't subscribe via my Gmail or GoDaddy email accounts. I can send but not receive on my Comcast account. Thisis from an old Yahoo Mail account, but I don't see any option for setting it to plain text. So, here goes. Testing, again. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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