>
From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Fri Jan  1 04:40:52 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:40:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fees DOWN in 2010
In-Reply-To: <661805.87039.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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What a refreshing story Eric and nice to hear a succes story relating to Rover Clubs rather than the sad (IMHO) news regarding the P6ROC.

Alan Francis (partviking)




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From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: INTERNATIONAL Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, 1 January, 2010 0:21:50
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fees DOWN in 2010

I just received my copy of the Rover Car Club of Canada magazine (another excellent job, Vern!).

In the Fall meeting in October, the Treasurer, Peter Heaster, noted that the RCCC was in a good position financially and he recommended a *decrease* in the RCCC membership dues for 2010. Since that doesn't usually happen in current economic times, I thought I would report it! it's NEWS and it's GOOD NEWS!

We have increased Parts sales (Peter is also Parts Manager) thanks to Ruth (All British Cars) and her business and referrals.  So,........ good fiscal management, positive networking, a reasonable market (for Rover car parts), and the RCCC is in good shape.  If you'd like to join, check out our website:  <www.roverclub.ca>.

Other Clubs: feel free to plug your Club.  It's Christmas and New Year, after all  :-)

Eric




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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Fri Jan  1 04:45:48 2010
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:45:48 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Happy New Year
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Best wishes from Germany to all Rover friends

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From peter_m at amnet.net.au  Fri Jan  1 06:59:23 2010
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:59:23 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report-
	Perth Western Australia
Message-ID: <001f01ca8ad9$dbfe68a0$93fb39e0$@net.au>

Hello Rovernetters,

 

It being a glorious day of 28 degrees C, I spent the day in my garage. I
removed the driver's side rear wing and swept, then hosed out, the dust
accumulation of 33 years. Found only one small coin-sized rust hole in the C
pillar just underneath the quarter panel. This had developed due to a
build-up of leaf matter.  Treated this and a few other tiny small patches
with rust converter then painted the part of the base unit that is covered
by the wing with rustproof.  

 

Removed the battery box- rust has gotten under the vinyl covering so all of
the plastic will have to be burned or scraped off before thorough anti-rust
treatment. Suggestions for this part of the exercise would be welcomed.

 

Tomorrow the wing will be reinstalled to be good for another 33? Years.  I
don't expect to need the car to last more than another 20 years by which
time I'll be 78!

 

Wishing all members a wonderful New Year.

 

Kind regards,

 

Peter Mitchell





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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com  Fri Jan  1 07:44:00 2010
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (roger matheson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:44:00 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress
	report-Perth Western Australia
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Is that 78 or 78b
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Mitchell 
  To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.' 
  Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:59 PM
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report-Perth Western Australia


  Hello Rovernetters,

   

  It being a glorious day of 28 degrees C, I spent the day in my garage. I removed the driver's side rear wing and swept, then hosed out, the dust accumulation of 33 years. Found only one small coin-sized rust hole in the C pillar just underneath the quarter panel. This had developed due to a build-up of leaf matter.  Treated this and a few other tiny small patches with rust converter then painted the part of the base unit that is covered by the wing with rustproof.  

   

  Removed the battery box- rust has gotten under the vinyl covering so all of the plastic will have to be burned or scraped off before thorough anti-rust treatment. Suggestions for this part of the exercise would be welcomed.

   

  Tomorrow the wing will be reinstalled to be good for another 33? Years.  I don't expect to need the car to last more than another 20 years by which time I'll be 78!

   

  Wishing all members a wonderful New Year.

   

  Kind regards,

   

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From michael.maher at virgin.net  Fri Jan  1 08:20:55 2010
From: michael.maher at virgin.net (Mike Maher)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:20:55 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day
	progressreport-Perth Western Australia ........ meanwhile,
	on the other side of the world.........
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	<00ab01ca8ae0$1770db60$0100000a@owner1b4c6f2cf>
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In Northamptonshire, at 13:20,  some 20 miles NE of Oxford its bright, sunny and 0 degrees C(32 Farenheit - aka freezing).  

Best wishes to all and have a happy 2010

Mike Maher
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: roger matheson 
  To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
  Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progressreport-Perth Western Australia


  Is that 78 or 78b
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Peter Mitchell 
    To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.' 
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:59 PM
    Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report-Perth Western Australia


    Hello Rovernetters,

     

    It being a glorious day of 28 degrees C, I spent the day in my garage. I removed the driver's side rear wing and swept, then hosed out, the dust accumulation of 33 years. Found only one small coin-sized rust hole in the C pillar just underneath the quarter panel. This had developed due to a build-up of leaf matter.  Treated this and a few other tiny small patches with rust converter then painted the part of the base unit that is covered by the wing with rustproof.  

     

    Removed the battery box- rust has gotten under the vinyl covering so all of the plastic will have to be burned or scraped off before thorough anti-rust treatment. Suggestions for this part of the exercise would be welcomed.

     

    Tomorrow the wing will be reinstalled to be good for another 33? Years.  I don't expect to need the car to last more than another 20 years by which time I'll be 78!

     

    Wishing all members a wonderful New Year.

     

    Kind regards,

     

    Peter Mitchell





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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Jan  1 12:25:46 2010
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:25:46 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover club magazine online?
Message-ID: <3E92E118-58A5-4485-A6F3-2873C4423960@telusplanet.net>

Eric, Vern, do you know when the magazine will be available on-line  
for those of us who chose this option?

Roy


From vern at inkspotco.com  Fri Jan  1 13:09:58 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:09:58 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover club magazine online?
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Oh dear, my mistake. I prepared the pdf, but I forgot to send out the links. I'll do that right now.

Yours
Vern


On 2010-01-01, at 9:25 AM, Roy Babiuk wrote:

> Eric, Vern, do you know when the magazine will be available on-line for those of us who chose this option?
> 
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Jan  1 14:15:25 2010
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:15:25 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover club magazine online
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Thanks Vern!  Nice job again!

Roy


From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Fri Jan  1 17:51:11 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:51:11 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report-
	Perth Western Australia
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On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:59:23 +0800, you wrote:

>Hello Rovernetters,
>
> 
>
>It being a glorious day of 28 degrees C, I spent the day in my garage. I
>removed the driver's side rear wing and swept, then hosed out, the dust

It was 34 deg C here in Little Swanport Tasmania, bit cooler today but
still pretty humid. No Rovering I am afraid, only rounding up the
sheep for sheering. But this afternoon will take the MGZT Tourer out
for a run to the local wineries. 

Tomorrow, out on the barge to get some oysters and crayfish. What a
life!!

Happy 2010 to all our Roverites.

Cheers,

Peter H


From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 17:34:40 2010
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:34:40 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Virus
Message-ID: <BAY119-W166955F7FE38C3BF592782DE770@phx.gbl>


Hello all..........

 

                   I got these FOTOS sent to me from my wife's work and of course i bypassed my mailwasher program and infected myself.....somehow the virus infects my mail programs and sent one to all in my address book.......I have removed the Trogan virus from my computer and sincerely apologize to anyone who received these Foto Emails ...........I guess my or anyone elses 1st clue should have been the spelling of FOTOS but i foolishly thought they were pictures from her Xmas party

Again i'm sorry for any inconvenience

Bill Robertson
 		 	   		  
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 19:32:31 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:32:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report-
	Perth Western Australia
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	<0susj5du9ha182bgm1aopckli3et3inh7t@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <810079.52294.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, don't work too hard......:-)

Eric


 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at activ8.net.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:51:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B: New Year's Day progress report- Perth Western Australia

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:59:23 +0800, you wrote:

>Hello Rovernetters,
>
> 
>
>It being a glorious day of 28 degrees C, I spent the day in my garage. I
>removed the driver's side rear wing and swept, then hosed out, the dust

It was 34 deg C here in Little Swanport Tasmania, bit cooler today but
still pretty humid. No Rovering I am afraid, only rounding up the
sheep for sheering. But this afternoon will take the MGZT Tourer out
for a run to the local wineries. 

Tomorrow, out on the barge to get some oysters and crayfish. What a
life!!

Happy 2010 to all our Roverites.

Cheers,

Peter H

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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 19:36:34 2010
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:36:34 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Virus FOTOS
Message-ID: <BAY119-W381B47FB290DDE3CDADD58DE760@phx.gbl>


Hello all..........
 
                   I got these FOTOS sent to me from my wife's work and of course i bypassed my mailwasher program and infected myself.....somehow the virus infects my mail programs and sent one to all in my address book.......I have removed the Trogan virus from my computer and sincerely apologize to anyone who received these Foto Emails ...........I guess my or anyone elses 1st clue should have been the spelling of FOTOS but i foolishly thought they were pictures from her Xmas party
Again i'm sorry for any inconvenience
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From markcoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 09:26:57 2010
From: markcoorparoo at aol.com (markcoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:26:57 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
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    Hi Den and All,
                           Might have to have another look at CLR. Is there 
Phosphoric Acid in it? I used to run a detergent through my steam cleaner 
years ago that had phosphoric acid in it and bare metal stayed bright for 
months without any other coating. My Dad did Industrial Chemistry and told me 
about the Iron Phosphate coating thing.

  Outfit that was my first job from school tried the Gun Bluing kits but 
they just didn't go far. Maybe good enough for the parts of one small firearm 
or one special tool but that was it. Also to do the job properly you have 
got to bring in some temperature. 

   The guys in the team proper had a near disaster when chrome plating 
caused the failure of some TIG welds. The chrome changes the qualities of a 
part. With a tubular part you are effectively putting another tube around the 
outside that has different characteristics that helps to concentrate the loads 
at the welds. All the Chrome plated parts were remade and given a Gun Blue 
and oiled type finish. It's  lighter too. 

   A Kiwi guy Gary, took charge of the project and set up three  "baths", 
44's cut in half with gas burners under them. I gather the first was a Strong 
Caustic solution, the second a "Neutraliser" and the third was the magic 
stuff. The parts came out more black than blue. I gathered that Gary had done 
this stuff when working in Europe. Having read a little of the link that 
Eric provided, the procedure really looks like the Parkerising Phosphating 
process. The temperature probably also helped drive off entrapped hydrogen in 
the welds.

    The little plant seems now to be a smaller version of the one that was 
set up at Bankstown Airport to do the bits for the Mosquitoes that were 
built there during the war.

   The above may be a bit envolved but after giving old parts or tools a 
blast with the Ballotini media could provide a long lasting even paintable 
finish. I wonder if a very small plant could be made that sits on top of an old 
gas BBQ?

    Hope this helps or gives a few ideas.

    Regards,
                 MWJ.
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From david.bass4 at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan  2 12:08:28 2010
From: david.bass4 at ntlworld.com (David Bass)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:08:28 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
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The general principle is "passivating", I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passivation

See the section on ferrous metals, which covers parkerization and bluing.

Phosphoric acid is used to do this: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphate_conversion

You can buy rust inhibitors that are basically phosphoric acid to deal 
with stone chip rust spots - as noted, the result needs to be sealed the 
be effective. These are available in fairly large sizes.

My father, back in the day, had several of his workshop tools cadmium 
plated - definitely not allowed now, but cadmium was by far the best 
thing when you needed hard wearing and corrosion resistant together.

On the other hand, all of this is no substitute for a dry workshop - 
it's best to avoid dunking your tool in puddles for days at a time (fnarr).

David

markcoorparoo at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>     Hi Den and All,
>                            Might have to have another look at CLR. Is 
> there Phosphoric Acid in it? I used to run a detergent through my 
> steam cleaner years ago that had phosphoric acid in it and bare metal 
> stayed bright for months without any other coating. My Dad did 
> Industrial Chemistry and told me about the Iron Phosphate coating thing.
>
>   Outfit that was my first job from school tried the Gun Bluing kits 
> but they just didn't go far. Maybe good enough for the parts of one 
> small firearm or one special tool but that was it. Also to do the job 
> properly you have got to bring in some temperature.
>
>    The guys in the team proper had a near disaster when chrome plating 
> caused the failure of some TIG welds. The chrome changes the qualities 
> of a part. With a tubular part you are effectively putting another 
> tube around the outside that has different characteristics that helps 
> to concentrate the loads at the welds. All the Chrome plated parts 
> were remade and given a Gun Blue and oiled type finish. It's  lighter 
> too.
>
>    A Kiwi guy Gary, took charge of the project and set up three  
> "baths", 44's cut in half with gas burners under them. I gather the 
> first was a Strong Caustic solution, the second a "Neutraliser" and 
> the third was the magic stuff. The parts came out more black than 
> blue. I gathered that Gary had done this stuff when working in Europe. 
> Having read a little of the link that Eric provided, the procedure 
> really looks like the Parkerising Phosphating process. The temperature 
> probably also helped drive off entrapped hydrogen in the welds.
>
>     The little plant seems now to be a smaller version of the one that 
> was set up at Bankstown Airport to do the bits for the Mosquitoes that 
> were built there during the war.
>
>    The above may be a bit envolved but after giving old parts or tools 
> a blast with the Ballotini media could provide a long lasting even 
> paintable finish. I wonder if a very small plant could be made that 
> sits on top of an old gas BBQ?
>
>     Hope this helps or gives a few ideas.
>
>     Regards,
>                  MWJ.



From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 13:02:11 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:02:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
Message-ID: <452973.17774.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Fellow Roverists,

I finally have found the time and courage to strip down the rear calipers (Girling type) on my '69 2000 TC. I considered having Apple Hydraulics resleeve them, but I thought I'd check with the Rovernet first to see if there are any other more highly preferred companies which do resleeving. 

Cheers,

Nathan 


      


From den at aachenkennels.com  Sat Jan  2 18:44:33 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:44:33 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local>

Good Morning MJ,

After reading your email I nipped into the workshop and had a look

 

This stuff really is amazing, I have dropped a bit of copper tubing in
for a long soak just to see what kind of re-action occurs. So far
nothing to note. ( I phrased it that was as it makes me sound like I
know what I am doing and I'm ead u macated (smile).

 

As I recall from my days as an apprentice. Those were the days when Tec
School was all day Tuesday and half days Thursday which I then had to
work Saturday afternoon to make up for. We had two months dedicated to
how metal acts with chemicals with only the one Thursday afternoon on
Blueing of spanners and such. So not a lot of time spent on the subject
which now as I'm into collecting and looking after old tools ( I've got
one myself!) I would like to set up on the BBQ the 3 stage method you
mention which now the cob webs of a distance past are clearing the old
brain neurons are working a bit easier.

 

Would I be right in summing up with one old can with Caustic, the second
with a neutralising acid such as say 'vinegar'? alongside a can with
Iron Phosphate or what is the 'magic stuff' and your best guess at
ratio's. 

 

 I have just had a long ponder ( happens a lot these days) on the
effects of a boiling hot oil bath on bare metal!!  Something we used to
do with some of the parts on the racing cars and bike chains with grease
which is also one of the ways we used to pack grease into roller
bearings. Not sure the grease of today would still be as effective
though.

 

 

Are there any rules on cross posting of subjects as on the
RoverAustralia at yahoogroups.com.au there is a young chap who is a
chemists who I would like to read MJ post?.

 

Den. 

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of markcoorparoo at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 10:27 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools

 



    Hi Den and All,
                           Might have to have another look at CLR. Is
there Phosphoric Acid in it? I used to run a detergent through my steam
cleaner years ago that had phosphoric acid in it and bare metal stayed
bright for months without any other coating. My Dad did Industrial
Chemistry and told me about the Iron Phosphate coating thing.

  Outfit that was my first job from school tried the Gun Bluing kits but
they just didn't go far. Maybe good enough for the parts of one small
firearm or one special tool but that was it. Also to do the job properly
you have got to bring in some temperature. 

   The guys in the team proper had a near disaster when chrome plating
caused the failure of some TIG welds. The chrome changes the qualities
of a part. With a tubular part you are effectively putting another tube
around the outside that has different characteristics that helps to
concentrate the loads at the welds. All the Chrome plated parts were
remade and given a Gun Blue and oiled type finish. It's  lighter too. 

   A Kiwi guy Gary, took charge of the project and set up three
"baths", 44's cut in half with gas burners under them. I gather the
first was a Strong Caustic solution, the second a "Neutraliser" and the
third was the magic stuff. The parts came out more black than blue. I
gathered that Gary had done this stuff when working in Europe. Having
read a little of the link that Eric provided, the procedure really looks
like the Parkerising Phosphating process. The temperature probably also
helped drive off entrapped hydrogen in the welds.

    The little plant seems now to be a smaller version of the one that
was set up at Bankstown Airport to do the bits for the Mosquitoes that
were built there during the war.

   The above may be a bit envolved but after giving old parts or tools a
blast with the Ballotini media could provide a long lasting even
paintable finish. I wonder if a very small plant could be made that sits
on top of an old gas BBQ?

    Hope this helps or gives a few ideas.

    Regards,
                 MWJ.

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 19:09:12 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:09:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
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We have no rules on cross-posting. Our original idea was to help Rover enthusiasts connect with each other no matter where they live. Information is good.

Eric
List Administrator
The Rovernet

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Are there any
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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sat Jan  2 21:17:15 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:17:15 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local>
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So as not to mix up the post thought it best to start another subject,
this time CLR or Perhaps Rust removal using chemicals such as phosphoric
acid verse's CLR?

 

As said I had a look at the writing on the label. Seems , unlike other
countries, they don't have to have the chemicals or contents noted for
us lay men to read. What they do have written is, first of all 'Contains
No Phosphates' also will remove calcium, lime, and rust instantly from
anything made buy Chinese workers in sweat shops who work 26 hours a day
for no money and live in shoe boxes at the tip.

 

What you must not use it on is anything cement based or Stone, laminated
or painted plus ( and here is a clue as to part of its contents)
ALUMINIUM..!!  so caustic is in there?.

 

Made by ADVIL Pty Ltd of South Australia.

 

Den.

 

BTW the Copper pipe is clean as you would expect soaked in caustic would
be very easy to now put a shine on it.

 

 



    Hi Den and All,
                           Might have to have another look at CLR. Is
there Phosphoric Acid in it? I used to run a detergent through my steam
cleaner years ago that had phosphoric acid in it and bare metal stayed
bright for months without any other coating. My Dad did Industrial
Chemistry and told me about the Iron Phosphate coating thing.




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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 22:54:42 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:54:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was:C.L.R. ( or rust removal ) now rust
	removal
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local>
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Some of us use "Extend" for rust removal.
**Firstly it was owned by Permatex.
***Then it was owned by Loctite
****In Australia, Henkel' has a hand
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/ygrr2zv

Anyway, when brushed onto rust, it turns the area black, like phosphoric acid turns rust from iron oxide into iron disulphide, a variation which does not rust.
One benefit over some rust products is that when brushed onto adjoining non-rust areas, it dries nicely.  The whole area must be primed with some other metal primer to prevent the surface of Extend from being scratched (that leads back to the rusting process). Some other brands of rust prevention leave a film on the adjoining metal which is not so conducive to painting.  Some of us have long term experience of rust prevention using Extend. I used that product in 20 years of Rover restoration.

Eric



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________________________________
From: Dennis Gallacher <den at aachenkennels.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:17:15 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )

  
So as not to mix up the post thought it best to start another subject, this time CLR or Perhaps Rust removal using chemicals such as phosphoric acid verse?s CLR?
 
As said I had a look at the writing on the label. Seems , unlike other countries, they don?t have to have the chemicals or contents noted for us lay men to read. What they do have written is, first of all ?Contains No Phosphates? also will remove calcium, lime, and rust instantly from anything made buy Chinese workers in sweat shops who work 26 hours a day for no money and live in shoe boxes at the tip.
 
What you must not use it on is anything cement based or Stone, laminated or painted plus ( and here is a clue as to part of its contents) ALUMINIUM..!!  so caustic is in there?.
 
Made by ADVIL Pty Ltd of South Australia.
 
Den.
 
BTW the Copper pipe is clean as you would expect soaked in caustic would be very easy to now put a shine on it.
 
 


    Hi Den and All,
                           Might have to have another look at CLR. Is there Phosphoric Acid in it? I used to run a detergent through my steam cleaner years ago that had phosphoric acid in it and bare metal stayed bright for months without any other coating. My Dad did Industrial Chemistry and told me about the Iron Phosphate coating thing.


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From markcoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 23:19:20 2010
From: markcoorparoo at aol.com (markcoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:19:20 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing
Message-ID: <eb8b.469ec9a1.387174c8@aol.com>



    Hi Eric, Den, David and all,
                                            my second attempt at this one. 
Had a nearby Lightning Strike before but the spike stopper worked and I am 
back up and running.  I think there has now been only one day in the last 
three weeks when it hasn't rained in Brisbane.

   Eric is correct, information is good, spread it around.

    Den, have a look at David Bass' links to Wiki. Having read them I would 
say the process that Gary set up was Black Oxide. The first bath is largely 
Sodium Hydroxide but there is some other stuff in there and water. Take 
note of the mentions of the dangers of the process. The first solution is 
heated well above 100 c. 212 F.

    An old BBQ should able to get the temperatures with an adjustable 
regulator but first we would have to think about where we are going to set the 
thing up. Then how to secure it when not in use, we wouldn't want any prying 
little fingers to get in the stuff.

    I have no idea what was in the second bath. I just got the impression 
at the time that it was a neutraliser. Having read the Wikis I am wondering 
if the third bath was some sort of warm oil with some additives, Ensis Fluid 
perhaps. I remember that not all the baths were really hot and at least one 
was a lot cooler.

   Interesting to note that the parts didn't feel oily when finished.  Gary 
was using some proprietary chemicals in the process ( I saw the drums) but 
I don't remember what, not even what brand ( although Turco comes to mind). 
This is from memory, over 35 years ago and Gary was doing this right out the 
back and I worked out the front. I haven't mentioned the Team name or 
Gary's full name because it was over 35 years ago, I am wondering if I should, 
due to nettiquette.

   Must re-read those Wiki's.  I noted several MilSpec's, they might give 
us an idea if the BBQ top is feasible.

   Something else I noted in the Wikis was a process that gives a finish to 
minimalise galling of parts during break in. I bought a number of cams from 
Lynx Engineering ( the same mob who made the "Ilinga" manifold for the P76 
- Terrier engine) in Sydney decades ago. They were able to "Parkerise" them 
and I always had it done. It left a black finish on the lobes but now I am 
thinking that might be the wrong name for the process. Ivan Tighe here in 
Brisbane developed a flame hardening process and machine that apparently cured 
the Holden V8's problem that was similiar to the Rover lobe loss problem. I 
haven't seen it but was told about it by someone who saw it working. 

   Regards All,
                      MWJ.   
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Jan  2 23:42:01 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 04:42:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
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Out of curiosity, I checked my last issue of American Rifleman (Yes , I am a life member of NRA) and found one listing for Bluing and or Parkerizing. The web site is www.hotflashrefinishing.com . If that doesn't work for what is being sought. One of my former Navy Pistol teammates was going to retire to the San Diego area and run a gunsmith and bluing business. That is quite a while ago, so I don't know if he followed through and/or is still in business. I looked him up in the white pages and did get a phone number for his home address. If the originator is interested, I could try contacting him by phone. He was a very competent gunsmith and meticulous in his work. 



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From markcoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 23:44:52 2010
From: markcoorparoo at aol.com (markcoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:44:52 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
Message-ID: <ed82.60b0fa35.38717ac4@aol.com>


   Den,
          That sounds like the chemical that is used in Hot Tanks. Removes 
cooling system deposits but no alloy allowed. Will remove lime scale but if 
it comes in contact with a substance containing lots of Lime such as 
concrete, the chemical will keep reacting until it is all gone. Must make the time 
to check this further. I have forgotten so much of what my Dad told me. 
Can't even remember what CalGon is. (It removes boiler scale).

    MWJ
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From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  3 00:38:45 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:08:45 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local>
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Hi all
MSDS sheet for CLR is here
http://victas.uca.org.au/main.php?pg=download&id=8587

Cheers
Dave
South Oz

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> So as not to mix up the post thought it best to start another subject,
> this time CLR or Perhaps Rust removal using chemicals such as phosphoric
> acid verse's CLR?
> 
>  
> 
> As said I had a look at the writing on the label. Seems , unlike other
> countries, they don't have to have the chemicals or contents noted for
> us lay men to read. What they do have written is, first of all 'Contains
> No Phosphates' also will remove calcium, lime, and rust instantly from
> anything made buy Chinese workers in sweat shops who work 26 hours a day
> for no money and live in shoe boxes at the tip.
> 
>  
> 
> What you must not use it on is anything cement based or Stone, laminated
> or painted plus ( and here is a clue as to part of its contents)
> ALUMINIUM..!!  so caustic is in there?.
> 
>  
> 
> Made by ADVIL Pty Ltd of South Australia.
> 
>  
> 
> Den.


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 00:43:56 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:43:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <ed82.60b0fa35.38717ac4@aol.com>
References: <ed82.60b0fa35.38717ac4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <956587.50460.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

``Calgon has a unique formulation with active ingredients being
polycarboxylates which softens hard water, preventing limescale from
forming in the first place. It is not a descaler, it is purely a
preventative - which means that the sooner you introduce Calgon into
your daily washing routine, the better!``

(from a UK website)

Eric



 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)




________________________________
From: "markcoorparoo at aol.com" <markcoorparoo at aol.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 8:44:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )


   Den,
          That sounds like the chemical that is used in Hot Tanks. Removes cooling system deposits but no alloy allowed. Will remove lime scale but if it comes in contact with a substance containing lots of Lime such as concrete, the chemical will keep reacting until it is all gone. Must make the time to check this further. I have forgotten so much of what my Dad told me. Can't even remember what CalGon is. (It removes boiler scale).

    MWJ


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From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  3 00:52:12 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:22:12 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <956587.50460.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <ed82.60b0fa35.38717ac4@aol.com>
	<956587.50460.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B40308C.8030908@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Eric
Calgon MSDS here
http://www.ofite.com/msds/205-26.pdf

Cheers
Dave
South Oz

Eric Russell wrote:
> ``Calgon has a unique formulation with active ingredients being
> polycarboxylates which softens hard water, preventing limescale from
> forming in the first place. It is not a descaler, it is purely a
> preventative - which means that the sooner you introduce Calgon into
> your daily washing routine, the better!``
> 
> (from a UK website)
> 
> Eric

> ________________________________
> From: "markcoorparoo at aol.com" <markcoorparoo at aol.com>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 8:44:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
> 
> 
>    Den,
>           That sounds like the chemical that is used in Hot Tanks. Removes cooling system deposits but no alloy allowed. Will remove lime scale but if it comes in contact with a substance containing lots of Lime such as concrete, the chemical will keep reacting until it is all gone. Must make the time to check this further. I have forgotten so much of what my Dad told me. Can't even remember what CalGon is. (It removes boiler scale).
> 
>     MWJ


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 01:27:25 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:27:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <4B40308C.8030908@ozemail.com.au>
References: <ed82.60b0fa35.38717ac4@aol.com>
	<956587.50460.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B40308C.8030908@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <79541.68253.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Cool !   :-)

Eric

 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



----- Original Message ----
From: David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 9:52:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )

Hi Eric
Calgon MSDS here
http://www.ofite.com/msds/205-26.pdf

Cheers
Dave
South Oz

Eric Russell wrote:
> ``Calgon has a unique formulation with active ingredients being
> polycarboxylates which softens hard water, preventing limescale from
> forming in the first place. It is not a descaler, it is purely a
> preventative - which means that the sooner you introduce Calgon into
> your daily washing routine, the better!``
> 
> (from a UK website)
> 
> Eric

> ________________________________
> From: "markcoorparoo at aol.com" <markcoorparoo at aol.com>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 8:44:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
> 
> 
>    Den,
>           That sounds like the chemical that is used in Hot Tanks. Removes cooling system deposits but no alloy allowed. Will remove lime scale but if it comes in contact with a substance containing lots of Lime such as concrete, the chemical will keep reacting until it is all gone. Must make the time to check this further. I have forgotten so much of what my Dad told me. Can't even remember what CalGon is. (It removes boiler scale).
> 
>     MWJ

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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan  3 04:05:40 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:05:40 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
References: <1220587307.6777251262493721227.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Thanks for the time spent on my behalf however I?m not sure cold blueing as in gun barrels is what I?m after buddy. Also a phone call to the east coast of USA from the west coast of OZ might not warrant the expense but as said thanks for your time and help.

 

Den

 

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Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:42 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools

 

Out of curiosity, I checked my last issue of American Rifleman (Yes , I am a life member of NRA) and found one listing for Bluing and or Parkerizing. The web site is www.hotflashrefinishing.com <http://www.hotflashrefinishing.com/>  . If that doesn't work for what is being sought. One of my former Navy Pistol teammates was going to retire to the San Diego area and run a gunsmith and bluing business. That is quite a while ago, so I don't know if he followed through and/or is still in business. I looked him up in the white pages and did get a phone number for his home address. If the originator is interested, I could try contacting him by phone. He was a very competent gunsmith and meticulous in his work.

 

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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan  3 04:31:35 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:31:35 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>
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G'Day Dave,
Seeing as you are from South Oz I've been told that my best chance of
finding a pre war Rover 14 HP engine would be from your part of OZ. So
may I say 'sod' CLR any chance you may know someone I could get in touch
with concerning the engine?.

BTW the data sheet was very interesting...So no caustic after all.!!

Den.

Hi all
MSDS sheet for CLR is here
http://victas.uca.org.au/main.php?pg=download&id=8587

Cheers
Dave
South Oz



From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  3 06:14:54 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:44:54 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081AA0@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>	<4B402D65.8060805@ozemail.com.au>
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Message-ID: <4B407C2E.6080307@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Dennis
The best people with their "finger on the pulse" would be the South Australian Rover Club here ....

Rover Car Club of South Australia Inc.
PO Box 342
North Adelaide SA 5006

E-mail: ptol at chariot.net.au

HTH

Cheers
Dave South Oz

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> G'Day Dave,
> Seeing as you are from South Oz I've been told that my best chance of
> finding a pre war Rover 14 HP engine would be from your part of OZ. So
> may I say 'sod' CLR any chance you may know someone I could get in touch
> with concerning the engine?.
<snip>


From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  3 06:17:05 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:47:05 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081AA0@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>	<4B402D65.8060805@ozemail.com.au>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081AA0@Server.adoptsec.local>
Message-ID: <4B407CB1.8070106@ozemail.com.au>

There is also a full list here
http://www.roverqueensland.asn.au/Aust New Zealand.htm

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> G'Day Dave,
> Seeing as you are from South Oz I've been told that my best chance of
> finding a pre war Rover 14 HP engine would be from your part of OZ. So
> may I say 'sod' CLR any chance you may know someone I could get in touch
> with concerning the engine?.
<snip>


From defender110 at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  3 06:19:05 2010
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:49:05 +1030
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. ( or rust removal )
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081AA0@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <d12.6b8580f0.3870b1b1@aol.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A91@Server.adoptsec.local><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081A98@Server.adoptsec.local>	<4B402D65.8060805@ozemail.com.au>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081AA0@Server.adoptsec.local>
Message-ID: <4B407D29.3020605@ozemail.com.au>

Oops!!
Stripped out the spaces ....
http://www.roverqueensland.asn.au/Aust%20New%20Zealand.htm

Cheers
Dave
South Oz


From veetwinrider at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 10:46:45 2010
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 07:46:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
Message-ID: <51760.15911.qm@web180513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I do not have any first hand knowledge of Apple, but have heard not such good about them. I do recommend White Post and highly recommend Sierra Specialty.

Sierra Specialty Automotive

3494 Chandler Rd. Quincy, CA 95971
(800) 4-BRASS-1 or (530) 283-1886
FAX: (530) 283-4845


White Post Restorations
One Old Car Drive
Post Office Drawer D
White Post, VA 22663
(540) 837-1140


I've had good luck with both and the parts are still working fine after many years of having them done.

Good luck.

roland
60 P5 for sale
--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
To: "NEW RovernetRovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:02 AM


Fellow Roverists,

I finally have found the time and courage to strip down the rear calipers (Girling type) on my '69 2000 TC. I considered having Apple Hydraulics resleeve them, but I thought I'd check with the Rovernet first to see if there are any other more highly preferred companies which do resleeving. 

Cheers,

Nathan 


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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 15:19:14 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:19:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
In-Reply-To: <51760.15911.qm@web180513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <813895.4576.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the recommendations!

Nathan 

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:46 AM
> I do not have any first hand
> knowledge of Apple, but have heard not such good about them.
> I do recommend White Post and highly recommend Sierra
> Specialty.
> 
> Sierra Specialty Automotive
> 
> 3494 Chandler Rd. Quincy, CA 95971
> (800) 4-BRASS-1 or (530) 283-1886
> FAX: (530) 283-4845
> 
> 
> White Post Restorations
> One Old Car Drive
> Post Office Drawer D
> White Post, VA 22663
> (540) 837-1140
> 
> 
> I've had good luck with both and the parts are still
> working fine after many years of having them done.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> roland
> 60 P5 for sale
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
> To: "NEW RovernetRovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:02 AM
> 
> 
> Fellow Roverists,
> 
> I finally have found the time and courage to strip down the
> rear calipers (Girling type) on my '69 2000 TC. I considered
> having Apple Hydraulics resleeve them, but I thought I'd
> check with the Rovernet first to see if there are any other
> more highly preferred companies which do resleeving. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nathan 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 15:49:16 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:49:16 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
In-Reply-To: <813895.4576.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <813895.4576.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4102CC.3010104@aol.com>

i had a terrible experience w one of the principals of apple hydraulics 
many years ago, as a teenager, when he was a young man running a body 
shop. he stole the perfect front wings i brought him to install and 
paint on my MGA. it emerged soon enough, as i was in an accident on the 
snowy night when i went to pick the car up (another classic, a 57 
pontiac skid into oncoming traffic; at low speed fortunately.) he 
refused to come help me, even though i was a mile from his shop. the 
next morning i realized that he'd substituted a rusty pair of fenders, 
filled with yards of body filler. he refused to remedy my grievance, 
stopped taking my calls and i was too shocked and embarassed to bring 
legal action against him. (it took me three years to pay my father back 
for the bad bodywork he'd paid for. years later, i realized he was the 
same guy who answered the phone at apple and i stopped doing business 
with them immediately.

jamie kitman
nyack new york

--- Original Message ---
From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
Date: 1/3/10 3:19 PM
> Thanks for the recommendations!
>
> Nathan 
>
> --- On Sun, 1/3/10, roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:46 AM
>> I do not have any first hand
>> knowledge of Apple, but have heard not such good about them.
>> I do recommend White Post and highly recommend Sierra
>> Specialty.
>>
>> Sierra Specialty Automotive
>>
>> 3494 Chandler Rd. Quincy, CA 95971
>> (800) 4-BRASS-1 or (530) 283-1886
>> FAX: (530) 283-4845
>>
>>
>> White Post Restorations
>> One Old Car Drive
>> Post Office Drawer D
>> White Post, VA 22663
>> (540) 837-1140
>>
>>
>> I've had good luck with both and the parts are still
>> working fine after many years of having them done.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> roland
>> 60 P5 for sale
>> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
>> To: "NEW RovernetRovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:02 AM
>>
>>
>> Fellow Roverists,
>>
>> I finally have found the time and courage to strip down the
>> rear calipers (Girling type) on my '69 2000 TC. I considered
>> having Apple Hydraulics resleeve them, but I thought I'd
>> check with the Rovernet first to see if there are any other
>> more highly preferred companies which do resleeving. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nathan 
>>
>>
>>       
>>
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:43:51 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:43:51 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] possible machinist for sleeving cylinders
Message-ID: <982f148d1001031343h3345da7ehd9d3988831a0ba27@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Rover drivers,
   For stainless steel cylinder sleeving, try Mark Frappier.  His address is
82 Mountainview St. Agawam, Massachusetts 01001
Try 1800 528 5235 or search for him on the web to verify his phone number,
or find an email.  His sleeving is very nicely done and costs much less than
White Post does.  He will work with you and answer a question after the job
is returned to you, if needed, which White Post will not do very willingly!!
Good Luck,
Garrett Bourque
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From fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us  Sun Jan  3 16:54:42 2010
From: fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us (fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:54:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
In-Reply-To: <4B4102CC.3010104@aol.com>
References: <813895.4576.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4B4102CC.3010104@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7f18c36181c0dd9fb8bc308bea8faf77.squirrel@mail.suffolk.lib.ny.us>

Jaime,

   I too had a VERY bad experience with this same guy at Apple Hydraulics.

   Drop me a line if your interested in the story. What a slime he turned
out to be.

   By the way I'm the guy that is parting oput a 70, 3500s out here on
Long Island. ( Sag Harbor)

   My names Pete McArdle and I was involved with Rootes and Rover and
later took over the business from Long Island City known as LIC
Imports. I believe you have mentioned these guys in one or more of your
magazine articles. I also was the last Factory to Dealer rep for Rootes
and was the last dealer for the P6 range of cars here in NY.
   I would very much like to meet you and we can talk about the cars we
grew up with.

   Pete McArdle  631 725 3921     or      fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us




> i had a terrible experience w one of the principals of apple hydraulics
> many years ago, as a teenager, when he was a young man running a body
> shop. he stole the perfect front wings i brought him to install and
> paint on my MGA. it emerged soon enough, as i was in an accident on the
> snowy night when i went to pick the car up (another classic, a 57
> pontiac skid into oncoming traffic; at low speed fortunately.) he
> refused to come help me, even though i was a mile from his shop. the
> next morning i realized that he'd substituted a rusty pair of fenders,
> filled with yards of body filler. he refused to remedy my grievance,
> stopped taking my calls and i was too shocked and embarassed to bring
> legal action against him. (it took me three years to pay my father back
> for the bad bodywork he'd paid for. years later, i realized he was the
> same guy who answered the phone at apple and i stopped doing business
> with them immediately.
>
> jamie kitman
> nyack new york
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
> Date: 1/3/10 3:19 PM
>> Thanks for the recommendations!
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/3/10, roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: roland <veetwinrider at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
>>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
>>> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:46 AM
>>> I do not have any first hand
>>> knowledge of Apple, but have heard not such good about them.
>>> I do recommend White Post and highly recommend Sierra
>>> Specialty.
>>>
>>> Sierra Specialty Automotive
>>>
>>> 3494 Chandler Rd. Quincy, CA 95971
>>> (800) 4-BRASS-1 or (530) 283-1886
>>> FAX: (530) 283-4845
>>>
>>>
>>> White Post Restorations
>>> One Old Car Drive
>>> Post Office Drawer D
>>> White Post, VA 22663
>>> (540) 837-1140
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had good luck with both and the parts are still
>>> working fine after many years of having them done.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> roland
>>> 60 P5 for sale
>>> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Sleeving calipers
>>> To: "NEW RovernetRovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>>> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 10:02 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Fellow Roverists,
>>>
>>> I finally have found the time and courage to strip down the
>>> rear calipers (Girling type) on my '69 2000 TC. I considered
>>> having Apple Hydraulics resleeve them, but I thought I'd
>>> check with the Rovernet first to see if there are any other
>>> more highly preferred companies which do resleeving.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>> Here is where you can change your settings such as digest
>>> mode or no-mail:
>>> http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca
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>>> http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/
>>> Join the Back-up list and post photos at:
>>> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Join the Back-up list and post photos at:
>>> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From roverman2 at verizon.net  Sun Jan  3 17:28:11 2010
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 rear calipers
Message-ID: <A110DDEE-A570-42EF-83F5-4B2DB2C9FCE7@verizon.net>

I have been rebuilding P6 rear calipers for over  25 years. I used to  
have them resleeved in brass by White Post, but now have them done in  
Stainless Steel. I have never had a return or a problem  on a caliper  
I have rebuilt.
The problem with sending calipers out to a big non Rover company is  
that they probably won't have the caliper parts (if they are needed).  
Only Rover and English Ford used the swinging caliper. The calipers  
may work, but the self adjusting mechanism is prone to wear and may  
need parts replacement.
I know of screw ups by both White Post and Apple Hydraulics.   I saw  
an SD1 master cylinder that had been rebuilt by White Post. Instead  
of rebuilding the shuttle valve, they drilled right through it!
If you are interested in having your rear calipers rebuilt by me,  
please contact me directly at  roverman2 at verizon.net . I will be away  
in England for the next couple of weeks.

On the subject of Phosphoric Acid treatments, The best stuff I have  
used is Rust-Mort which is made by SEM in the US. It is only  
available from professional body shop suppliers.
  and should be used with care.

Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics


From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 18:31:01 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] sleeving calipers
Message-ID: <223764.13329.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A blanket thank you to all who took the time to respond.

I'll definitely be avoiding Apple Hydraulics. They did some A/H 3000 calipers for me a while back which came out OK, but the times I've called them in the past they really haven't seemed knowledgeable about Rovers. I wasn't too worried about that as I'd just be sending disassembled calipers for sleeving only, but now that I know there are "ethically challenged" individuals working there I will take my business elsewhere. 

Nathan


      


From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Sun Jan  3 19:41:38 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] possible machinist for sleeving
	cylinders
In-Reply-To: <982f148d1001031343h3345da7ehd9d3988831a0ba27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <982f148d1001031343h3345da7ehd9d3988831a0ba27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B413942.9030506@alum.swarthmore.edu>

Hi all,

I second everything that Garrett has said about Mark Frappier.  He has 
sleeved numerous wheel cylinders and master cylinders in stainless steel 
for me over several years and every one was done well and gave no 
trouble after I assembled the cylinders with new kits.  Mark took over 
the business from his uncle George Frechette who had done sleeving for 
me too; both had advertised in Hemmings in the services section from 
time to time, but I get the impression that Mark is now busy enough that 
he no longer needs to advertise. 

I doubt that there are many brake or clutch hydraulic cylinders that 
Mark has not worked on, but he has successfully sleeved P6 rear 
calipers, a brake master cylinder (a stepped bore with two different 
sleeves) and a clutch master cylinder (had to drill through the "saddle 
tank" to drill the low pressure port into the new sleeve, then plug the 
hole in the tank) for a 2000TC, and recently sleeved a 3500S master 
cylinder.  The 3500S cylinder was familiar to him from his work for a 
Jaguar specialist -- it is the same as that for a late E-type.  For 
anyone on the list with an early Rover 2000 with Dunlop brakes, Mark has 
developed fixtures to sleeve the removable cylinder for Dunlop front 
brake calipers, also used on Jaguars.

Dermot brings up a good point about rebuilding brake cylinders in 
general and the P6 rear cylinders in particular.  Brake cylinder 
sleeving specialists like Mark or Sierra Specialty, generally do only 
the sleeving, and not the subsequent rebuilding.  I prefer to do my own 
rebuilding after having Mark do the sleeving, but Dermot and others are 
experienced at assembling the various Rover cylinders after sleeving if 
you don't want to take that on yourself.  White Post apparently offers 
only combined sleeving and assembly with new seals, but I am aware of at 
least two White Post customers that have had to send back rebuilt 
cylinders to get problems corrected, though I have not dealt with them 
directly.

For most front calipers it is not necessary to sleeve the caliper -- the 
same thing is accomplished by installing new pistons (the seals make 
contact with the piston O.D.) and new seals...

Happy Roving in the New Year,

Steve Manwell




garrett bourque wrote:
> Hello Rover drivers,
>    For stainless steel cylinder sleeving, try Mark Frappier.  His 
> address is 82 Mountainview St. Agawam, Massachusetts 01001
> Try 1800 528 5235 or search for him on the web to verify his phone 
> number, or find an email.  His sleeving is very nicely done and costs 
> much less than White Post does.  He will work with you and answer a 
> question after the job is returned to you, if needed, which White Post 
> will not do very willingly!!
> Good Luck,
> Garrett Bourque
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 22:48:29 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:48:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
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This website suggests that they do HOT finishing of at least six different types. Also, Whitmore, Calif. is on the West (left) coast. I did not realize that you were in OZ. with your gun laws there, I would guess that you do not have many gunsmiths. sorry about that! 



Slats 
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Thanks for the time spent on my behalf however I?m not sure cold blueing as in gun barrels is what I?m after buddy. Also a phone call to the east coast of USA from the west coast of OZ might not warrant the expense but as said thanks for your time and help. 



Den 





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Out of curiosity, I checked my last issue of American Rifleman (Yes , I am a life member of NRA) and found one listing for Bluing and or Parkerizing. The web site is www.hotflashrefinishing.com . If that doesn't work for what is being sought. One of my former Navy Pistol teammates was going to retire to the San Diego area and run a gunsmith and bluing business. That is quite a while ago, so I don't know if he followed through and/or is still in business. I looked him up in the white pages and did get a phone number for his home address. If the originator is interested, I could try contacting him by phone. He was a very competent gunsmith and meticulous in his work. 



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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Mon Jan  4 19:06:26 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Removal of... "wood" P6 steering
	wheel
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Believe it or not this method often works (but not always):

Remove the decorative cap with Rover logo and loosen the center nut on 
the steering shaft -- as described by Eric in another post.  Grab onto 
the two steering wheel spokes near the hub, then jerk one side up, then 
the other, and repeat in rapid succession.  This method will often 
loosen the hub from the spline with no other use of pullers or hammers 
needed.

Removing the wheel from the hub is easy on the earlier types with three 
bolts with hex heads.  Later wheels have three "one-way" screws where 
the slot is machined such that the screwdriver blade grips when turned 
clockwise, and slips counterclockwise.  I think the screw threads also 
have some sort of locking arrangement that makes them very reluctant to 
turn even if you can grip the screw head -- the head is very likely to 
twist off of the threaded part.  It is MUCH preferable to leave the 
steering wheel attached to this type of hub.

Good luck,

Steve Manwell


Roy Babiuk wrote:
> #1: For those with simulated wood steering wheels with large round 
> viking logo;
> How do you remove the boss, and then the wheel itself.
> Does the wheel come of the splines easily or is a puller needed?
>
> #2: For those who have redone their interior floorpans, what did you 
> use to remove the old carpet adhesive from sills etc?
> Can this be done without stripping the underlaying paint?
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Roy
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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan  4 19:41:37 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:41:37 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Removal of... "wood" P6 steeringwheel
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I have had one steering wheel which wouldn't come off the splines and I 
ended up using a two legged puller but replaced the solid legs with two 
short lengths of chain (& plenty of foam protection around the spokes of the 
wheel).
Because in my opinion, I think, jerking the wheel from one side to the other 
may cause damage to the steering locking mechanism and or the steering wheel 
position adjustment mechanism.
Just my thought.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark

Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club






From slatskars at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 21:05:02 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 02:05:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Removal of... "wood" P6 steeringwheel
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I removed one years ago on a Volvo PV 444, by loosening the nut a couple of threads and driving the car on a rough road until the vibration worked it loose. I did not have a puller availble at that time. 



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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Tue Jan  5 03:04:20 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (vmitps at netspace.net.au)
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 2010 19:04:20 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Removal of... "wood" P6 steering
	wheel
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I replaced the screws on the 2 spoke wheel with Allen bolts.
Solved.

PVS

> 
> Removing the wheel from the hub is easy on the earlier types with three
> bolts with hex heads.  Later wheels have three "one-way" screws where
> the slot is machined such that the screwdriver blade grips when turned
> clockwise, and slips counterclockwise.  I think the screw threads also
> have some sort of locking arrangement that makes them very reluctant to
> turn even if you can grip the screw head -- the head is very likely to
> twist off of the threaded part.  It is MUCH preferable to leave the
> steering wheel attached to this type of hub.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Steve Manwell
> 
> 
> Roy Babiuk wrote:
> > #1: For those with simulated wood steering wheels with large round
> > viking logo;
> > How do you remove the boss, and then the wheel itself.
> > Does the wheel come of the splines easily or is a puller needed?
> >
> > #2: For those who have redone their interior floorpans, what did you
> > use to remove the old carpet adhesive from sills etc?
> > Can this be done without stripping the underlaying paint?
> >
> > Thanks for any assistance.
> >
> > Roy
> >
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From kkinard at att.net  Tue Jan  5 10:49:29 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:49:29 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000 on Ebay
Message-ID: <4B435F89.5030402@att.net>

Hi Gang,
Did I miss something?  Whose early 2000 is this on Ebay.  It's got 
Dunlop brakes and a sharkstooth valence.

Roverly,
Kent K.


From james.moison at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:25:27 2010
From: james.moison at gmail.com (james moison)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:25:27 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000 on Ebay
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Don't know, I put mine on Craig's list.  It is a 67 TC with Girling all
around.  Stainless sleeved no less.
Jim.
Boise Idaho

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> Did I miss something?  Whose early 2000 is this on Ebay.  It's got Dunlop
> brakes and a sharkstooth valence.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
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From sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 00:31:01 2010
From: sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com (Sean Harrigan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:31:01 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] liquidation time
Message-ID: <beb7b151001052131m202d4ca4m2f83a08bb7dec2ce@mail.gmail.com>

Happy new year Roverphiles!! With this new new year brings a new direction
in my personal projects.... which leaves no space for my 3 2000tcs & one
3500. one 2000tc runs great and was a daily driver...until a currently
sought after tree trimmer dropped a giant branch on the roofline, breaking
the windshield. the other running 2000tc needs a clutch. the third is a
doner. The 3500 hasnt been started on. i have many extra parts & will do my
best to help rovernetters anyway possible. bring needs and offers.

Thank you

Sean Harrigan
sean at plascorinc.net
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 00:43:41 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:43:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] liquidation time
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So,......... where did you say the vehicles were located ? :-

Eric


 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)




________________________________
From: Sean Harrigan <sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 9:31:01 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] liquidation time

Happy new year Roverphiles!! With this new new year brings a new direction in my personal projects.... which leaves no space for my 3 2000tcs & one 3500. one 2000tc runs great and was a daily driver...until a currently sought after tree trimmer dropped a giant branch on the roofline, breaking the windshield. the other running 2000tc needs a clutch. the third is a doner. The 3500 hasnt been started on. i have many extra parts & will do my best to help rovernetters anyway possible. bring needs and offers.

Thank you 

Sean Harrigan
sean at plascorinc.net
951 500 6360


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From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 11:33:00 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] liquidation time
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Eric Russell wrote:
> So,......... where did you say the vehicles were located ? :-
>
> Eric
>

Looks like Riverside, California, USA.


>  
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sean Harrigan <sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com>
> *To:* rovernet at rovernet.ca
> *Sent:* Tue, January 5, 2010 9:31:01 PM
> *Subject:* [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] liquidation time
>
> Happy new year Roverphiles!! With this new new year brings a new 
> direction in my personal projects.... which leaves no space for my 3 
> 2000tcs & one 3500. one 2000tc runs great and was a daily 
> driver...until a currently sought after tree trimmer dropped a giant 
> branch on the roofline, breaking the windshield. the other running 
> 2000tc needs a clutch. the third is a doner. The 3500 hasnt been 
> started on. i have many extra parts & will do my best to help 
> rovernetters anyway possible. bring needs and offers.
>
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>
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 13:11:21 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (ilcommodor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:11:21 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
Message-ID: <49e8.7134200.38777dc9@aol.com>

A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to 
know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any 
guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

Jamie Kitman
Nyack New York.
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From David.Moorefield at msj.org  Thu Jan  7 14:14:41 2010
From: David.Moorefield at msj.org (David L Moorefield)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:14:41 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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None observed in Western North Carolina, and only three SD1's, inwhich only one RUNS..imagine that! British Car Club of South Carolina, may have several (Spartanburg).

Dave Moorefield
Asheville, North Carolina

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A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

Jamie Kitman
Nyack New York.
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From tnrholmes at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 14:16:27 2010
From: tnrholmes at gmail.com (Robert Holmes)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:16:27 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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I have two 2000TC's in Louisville, Ky.
Rob Holmes

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM, <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote:

> A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to
> know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any
> guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>
> Jamie Kitman
> Nyack New York.
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From kkinard at att.net  Thu Jan  7 14:18:54 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:18:54 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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Hi Jamie,
It seems as if we speculated on this once before.  At least twenty come 
up for sale on Ebay each year.  If you count only restorable or running 
cars, there might be two hundred.  The Brits are more ambitious at 
repairing rust so would probably count as restorable some of those we 
consider only good for parts.  I have seventeen that would be classed as 
runners or restorable.  Dirk probably has forty or fifty?  The Manwells 
have four or five.  There are several folks who have two to four.  Of 
those that I know of nearby, there are probably not more than half a 
dozen in Texas and Oklahoma.  I don't hear anything from Rovers West or 
Pat Teske but there were some cars still in Tuscon last I heard.  There 
may still be a couple of cars in Arkansas, though I have lost touch with 
the owners.

Roverly,
Kent K.

ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
> A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, 
> wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in 
> the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>
> Jamie Kitman
> Nyack New York.
>
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From rovertcv8 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 14:28:24 2010
From: rovertcv8 at yahoo.com (David Sheuring)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:28:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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Hello to All,
My Son has one at NC State, 1980 SD1, and I have my P6B 1970 Rover 3500S modified ; both run and on the road And then I have a 68 that does not run. 
Thats in Lillington, NC
David



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Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 2:14:41 PM
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None observed in Western North Carolina, and only three SD1's, inwhich only one RUNS..imagine that! British Car Club of South Carolina, may have several (Spartanburg).

Dave Moorefield
Asheville, North Carolina

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A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

Jamie Kitman
Nyack New York.
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 14:31:33 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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i have two, a freshly restored P6B converted to five speed manual and an 
unrusty, running but wanting restoration (tired paint, baked interior) 
ex-california 1980 SD1 auto, with complete series 1 interior from UK 
(including quartic wheel) which i may have to sell, very cheaply -- all 
here 20 miles outside of nyc.

jamie kitman
nyack ny

--- Original Message ---
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
Date: 1/7/10 2:18 PM
> Hi Jamie,
> It seems as if we speculated on this once before.  At least twenty 
> come up for sale on Ebay each year.  If you count only restorable or 
> running cars, there might be two hundred.  The Brits are more 
> ambitious at repairing rust so would probably count as restorable some 
> of those we consider only good for parts.  I have seventeen that would 
> be classed as runners or restorable.  Dirk probably has forty or 
> fifty?  The Manwells have four or five.  There are several folks who 
> have two to four.  Of those that I know of nearby, there are probably 
> not more than half a dozen in Texas and Oklahoma.  I don't hear 
> anything from Rovers West or Pat Teske but there were some cars still 
> in Tuscon last I heard.  There may still be a couple of cars in 
> Arkansas, though I have lost touch with the owners.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
>> A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, 
>> wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in 
>> the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>>
>> Jamie Kitman
>> Nyack New York.
>>
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From jLewis at wsscwater.com  Thu Jan  7 14:43:38 2010
From: jLewis at wsscwater.com (Lewis, Joseph (Michael))
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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Jamie - I have a 1980 SD1 and I just got rid of one (parts car). The
gentleman I gave my parts car to has at least two SD1's and I know of at
least 3 more here in the DC/Maryland/Virginia area. I also know of a
maroon SD1 in the Shenandoah mountain area of Virginia.

 

J. Michael Lewis

________________________________

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A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants
to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the
States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

Jamie Kitman
Nyack New York.

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From tbadrick at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 14:57:33 2010
From: tbadrick at aol.com (tbadrick at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:57:33 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
Message-ID: <646e.5ab3fe6a.387796ad@aol.com>

John Burkhard was keeping up a list of west coast cars/owners, John you out 
 there?
 
The copy of the spreadsheet I have (2006) lists quite a few from the  west 
(72).  There are a pair of P6's near me that are running and not part  of 
the west coast list or this listserv.
 
 
Tom
Portland, Oregon
60 P4
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/2010 11:32:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ilcommodor at aol.com writes:

i have  two, a freshly restored P6B converted to five speed manual and an 
unrusty,  running but wanting restoration (tired paint, baked interior)  
ex-california 1980 SD1 auto, with complete series 1 interior from UK  
(including quartic wheel) which i may have to sell, very cheaply -- all  
here 20 miles outside of nyc.

jamie kitman
nyack ny

---  Original Message ---
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The  original list for Rover car enthusiasts.  <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many  old Rovers still in the US
Date: 1/7/10 2:18 PM
> Hi Jamie,
>  It seems as if we speculated on this once before.  At least twenty  
> come up for sale on Ebay each year.  If you count only  restorable or 
> running cars, there might be two hundred.  The  Brits are more 
> ambitious at repairing rust so would probably count as  restorable some 
> of those we consider only good for parts.  I  have seventeen that would 
> be classed as runners or restorable.   Dirk probably has forty or 
> fifty?  The Manwells have four or  five.  There are several folks who 
> have two to four.  Of  those that I know of nearby, there are probably 
> not more than half a  dozen in Texas and Oklahoma.  I don't hear 
> anything from Rovers  West or Pat Teske but there were some cars still 
> in Tuscon last I  heard.  There may still be a couple of cars in 
> Arkansas, though  I have lost touch with the owners.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent  K.
>
> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
>> A friend of a friend,  writing from the UK's austin rover website, 
>> wants to know what  our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in 
>> the States.  Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>>
>>  Jamie Kitman
>> Nyack New York.
>>
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:32:27 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:32:27 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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Hello rovernet,
   I do not have the foggiest idea of how many Rovers remain in the USA.
Having said that... A really hard core Porsche club out west was able to
poll different motor vehicle registry offices in different states to ask
about how many classic Porsches there were left.  That only counts
registered cars of course...who knows how many more Rovers there are lurking
in the weeds!!  Some have definitely given up their parts to prolong the
lives of others!!
Garrett Bourque

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM, <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote:

> A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to
> know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any
> guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>
> Jamie Kitman
> Nyack New York.
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:52:57 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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Hello again Rovernet,
  I have 2  1970 3500s Rovers.  One is an unrusty but incomplete parts car
which is for sale for $300.  It has 1980 Georgia plates on it and would save
somebody hundreds of hours in bodywork if they wanted to paint it and put
their rusty or damaged car's parts into this bodyshell.  I have it stored
inside as well. I can be reached at gbbourque at gmail.com if anybody would
like more info or a few photos that I took while moving the car last summer.

  My second 1970 3500s is my restored red 4.0 engine five speed conversion
car.  I have owned since the early 90s and it got me into Rovers in the
first place.

   A former employer, Ted Howard, Howard's Garage, Warren Maine has had
probably 50 Rover cars pass through his shop since he opened it in 1970.
These days, he has a roadworthy p4 that a deceased customer willed him, and
just got a 2000TC going and sold it to a customer last summer.  He also has
2 rough 2000 parts cars and a 75 parts car.  I helped him scrap a couple of
p5s and a pair of p4s while I worked for him. There are the remains of 10-15
LAnd Rovers at his place too!!  Some Rover owners attended a weekend car
disassembly session some years ago there before some of these cars were
hauled away!
Garrett Bourque
GB Services Auto Restoration
Jefferson, Maine
website with Rover and Jag photos of projects from my shop
www.gbservicesusa.com

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:32 PM, garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello rovernet,
>    I do not have the foggiest idea of how many Rovers remain in the USA.
> Having said that... A really hard core Porsche club out west was able to
> poll different motor vehicle registry offices in different states to ask
> about how many classic Porsches there were left.  That only counts
> registered cars of course...who knows how many more Rovers there are lurking
> in the weeds!!  Some have definitely given up their parts to prolong the
> lives of others!!
> Garrett Bourque
>
>  On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM, <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants
>> to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States.
>> Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>>
>> Jamie Kitman
>> Nyack New York.
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From burkhaj at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 16:03:17 2010
From: burkhaj at earthlink.net (John Burkhard)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:03:17 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
Message-ID: <380-2201014721317953@earthlink.net>

Hi Jamie
Here in the US, west of the Mississippi, I can account for 145 post WWII and 3 pre WWII cars with a owner count of 83.  If you add about 8% to the cars and about 5% to the owners, I think that would be a bit closer to the true picture.  I hope this helps your friend.

Take care.

John Burkhard
Rover Automobile Directory - West
burkhaj at earthlink.net
760-365-6796
Yucca Valley, California  


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A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

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From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net  Thu Jan  7 16:25:48 2010
From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:25:48 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
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Re: How many Rovers left in the U.S.

I have two TCs and a 3500S here next to my workshop and two more TCs stored
on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  I know of perhaps four more P6s at that
same location.  Total of nine in running or restorable condition.  

Jamie... is your SD1 the same one about which you wrote in the famous 'there
will be no more trolling eBay after having too much wine' incident? 

Regards,
Gross Scruggs
Annapolis MD





From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 16:35:10 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:35:10 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
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that's the one, gross. good car, bad owner. i spent too much on my P6B, 
in which connection, a big, unsolicited shout out to garrett bourque who 
did the work. if you're thinking of hiring someone to restore a rover, 
garrett does excellent work. only now i can't even look at the SD1, 
straightforward a job as it might be. as always, the maxim ought to be  
not "buy the best one you can afford," but "buy the best one there 
is...or walk away -- you can't afford it."

and thanks to all for your replies, we're a little closer to the truth, 
but adding the macro projections of kent and john burke i'm going to 
guess closer to 400 cars still out there. fortunately, nothing happens 
to me -- or any of us --  if we're wrong. someone east of the misissipi 
-- not me -- really ought to do what our western friends have done.

jamie

--- Original Message ---
From: Scruggs Family <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
Date: 1/7/10 4:25 PM
> Re: How many Rovers left in the U.S.
>
> I have two TCs and a 3500S here next to my workshop and two more TCs stored
> on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  I know of perhaps four more P6s at that
> same location.  Total of nine in running or restorable condition.  
>
> Jamie... is your SD1 the same one about which you wrote in the famous 'there
> will be no more trolling eBay after having too much wine' incident? 
>
> Regards,
> Gross Scruggs
> Annapolis MD
>
>
>
>
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From dmaxwell at as.net  Thu Jan  7 17:19:08 2010
From: dmaxwell at as.net (dmaxwell at as.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:19:08 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
Message-ID: <4b465ddc.3e4.ece.466439293@antelecom.net>

     I've got a '65 P5 Mk IIc that was my Grandfather's car
(he bought it new in  Oakland, CA) that I'm working on
getting running again (it's been sitting in my  garage for
11 years on stands)
 David Maxwell
 Tehachapi, CA

---- Original Message Follows -----
From: Jamie  Kitman 
To: "The original list for Rover car  enthusiasts." 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL]  Rovernet Digest,
Vol 19, Issue 11
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:35:10  -0500


 
>that's the one, gross. good car, bad owner. i spent    too
>much on my P6B, in which connection, a big,    unsolicited
>shout out to garrett bourque who did the work. if    you're
>thinking of hiring someone to restore a rover,    garrett
>does excellent work. only now i can't even look at the   
SD1,
>straightforward a job as it might be. as always, the   
maxim
>ought to be not "buy the best one you can afford,"    but
>"buy the best one there is...or walk away -- you    can't
>afford it."
>
>and thanks to all for your replies,    we're a little
closer
>to the truth, but adding the macro projections of    kent
and
>john burke i'm going to guess closer to 400 cars still   
out
>there. fortunately, nothing happens to me -- or any of us
>--    if we're wrong. someone east of the misissipi -- not
>me -- really ought    to do what our western friends   
have
>done.
>
>jamie
>
>--- Original Message    ---
>From: Scruggs Family 
>To:    rovernet at rovernet.ca
>Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet    Digest, Vol
19
>, Issue 11 Date: 1/7/10 4:25 PM
>> Re: How many    Rovers left in the U.S.
>>
>> I have two TCs and a 3500S    here next to my workshop
and
>> two more TCs stored on the Eastern    Shore of Maryland.
I
>> know of perhaps four more P6s at that same    location. 
>>Total of nine in running or restorable condition.    
>> Jamie... is your SD1 the same one about which you   
wrote
>> in the famous 'there will be no more trolling eBay   
after
>>having too much wine' incident? 
>>    Regards,
>> Gross Scruggs
>> Annapolis    MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 17:29:25 2010
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:29:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
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1 '71 NADA 2000TC here.
Cheers,
Jim



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From: "ilcommodor at aol.com" <ilcommodor at aol.com>
To: p6rovers at yahoo.com; rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 1:11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US

A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?

Jamie Kitman
Nyack New York. 
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From hbob at bellsouth.net  Thu Jan  7 18:14:56 2010
From: hbob at bellsouth.net (Bob Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] SD1
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One SD1 here, still garaged.
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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 20:14:19 2010
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:14:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many old Rovers still in the US
Message-ID: <158377.93196.qm@web180514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have a 1960 P5 that runs and needs finishing that's for sale. Located in the San Francisco area.

roland
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Jamie Kitman <ilcommodor at aol.com> wrote:


From: Jamie Kitman <ilcommodor at aol.com>
> ilcommodor at aol.com wrote:
>> A friend of a friend, writing from the UK's austin rover website, wants to know what our best guess as to how many Rover cars remain in the States. Any guesses -- educated or semi-educated preferred?
>> 
>> Jamie Kitman
>> Nyack New York.




From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Thu Jan  7 21:42:09 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:42:09 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many Rovers in the US?
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Jamie,

John Burkhard has kept the western Rover Automobile Directory much more 
up to date lately than I have with the eastern portion, but as of a year 
or so ago, there were about 120 owners listed east of the Mississippi.  
Counting 40 cars for Dirk, I estimate that these owners have or had 
about 180 cars.  In the meantime, some owners have gotten out of Rovers, 
or dropped out of contact, while there are other new Rovers and Rover 
enthusiasts that should be added to the list.

As Kent suggests, it is remarkable how many previously unknown Rovers 
come out of the woodwork sporadically considering the small numbers of 
cars originally sold here.

I would estimate a minimum of 500 Rovers in the US combining the two 
halves of the Directory, and including at least 100 other cars that are 
out there, but not accounted for in the directories.  Coincidently, 
there are three 1960's Rovers currently listed in Hemmings that I not 
come across before (as far as I know.)

--Steve Manwell


Jamie Kitman wrote:
> that's the one, gross. good car, bad owner. i spent too much on my 
> P6B, in which connection, a big, unsolicited shout out to garrett 
> bourque who did the work. if you're thinking of hiring someone to 
> restore a rover, garrett does excellent work. only now i can't even 
> look at the SD1, straightforward a job as it might be. as always, the 
> maxim ought to be  not "buy the best one you can afford," but "buy the 
> best one there is...or walk away -- you can't afford it."
>
> and thanks to all for your replies, we're a little closer to the 
> truth, but adding the macro projections of kent and john burke i'm 
> going to guess closer to 400 cars still out there. fortunately, 
> nothing happens to me -- or any of us --  if we're wrong. someone east 
> of the misissipi -- not me -- really ought to do what our western 
> friends have done.
>
> jamie
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Scruggs Family <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
> Date: 1/7/10 4:25 PM
>> Re: How many Rovers left in the U.S.
>>
>> I have two TCs and a 3500S here next to my workshop and two more TCs 
>> stored
>> on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  I know of perhaps four more P6s at 
>> that
>> same location.  Total of nine in running or restorable condition. 
>> Jamie... is your SD1 the same one about which you wrote in the famous 
>> 'there
>> will be no more trolling eBay after having too much wine' incident?
>> Regards,
>> Gross Scruggs
>> Annapolis MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ilcommodor at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 21:57:24 2010
From: ilcommodor at aol.com (Jamie Kitman)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:57:24 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many Rovers in the US?
In-Reply-To: <4B469B81.1000605@alum.swarthmore.edu>
References: <mailman.12.1262893416.13144.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>	<018201ca8fdf$fb87f230$f297d690$@net>	<4B46538E.1070605@aol.com>
	<4B469B81.1000605@alum.swarthmore.edu>
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thanks steve -- so there's our best guess -- 500. i've forwarded it on 
to the interested party. personally, i'd bet there were more cars out 
there belonging to non-members, counting non-runners, maybe as many as 
750. we need to get the human genome team on this.

jamie

--- Original Message ---
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many Rovers in the US?
Date: 1/7/10 9:42 PM
> Jamie,
>
> John Burkhard has kept the western Rover Automobile Directory much 
> more up to date lately than I have with the eastern portion, but as of 
> a year or so ago, there were about 120 owners listed east of the 
> Mississippi.  Counting 40 cars for Dirk, I estimate that these owners 
> have or had about 180 cars.  In the meantime, some owners have gotten 
> out of Rovers, or dropped out of contact, while there are other new 
> Rovers and Rover enthusiasts that should be added to the list.
>
> As Kent suggests, it is remarkable how many previously unknown Rovers 
> come out of the woodwork sporadically considering the small numbers of 
> cars originally sold here.
>
> I would estimate a minimum of 500 Rovers in the US combining the two 
> halves of the Directory, and including at least 100 other cars that 
> are out there, but not accounted for in the directories.  
> Coincidently, there are three 1960's Rovers currently listed in 
> Hemmings that I not come across before (as far as I know.)
>
> --Steve Manwell
>
>
> Jamie Kitman wrote:
>> that's the one, gross. good car, bad owner. i spent too much on my 
>> P6B, in which connection, a big, unsolicited shout out to garrett 
>> bourque who did the work. if you're thinking of hiring someone to 
>> restore a rover, garrett does excellent work. only now i can't even 
>> look at the SD1, straightforward a job as it might be. as always, the 
>> maxim ought to be  not "buy the best one you can afford," but "buy 
>> the best one there is...or walk away -- you can't afford it."
>>
>> and thanks to all for your replies, we're a little closer to the 
>> truth, but adding the macro projections of kent and john burke i'm 
>> going to guess closer to 400 cars still out there. fortunately, 
>> nothing happens to me -- or any of us --  if we're wrong. someone 
>> east of the misissipi -- not me -- really ought to do what our 
>> western friends have done.
>>
>> jamie
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: Scruggs Family <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
>> Date: 1/7/10 4:25 PM
>>> Re: How many Rovers left in the U.S.
>>>
>>> I have two TCs and a 3500S here next to my workshop and two more TCs 
>>> stored
>>> on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  I know of perhaps four more P6s 
>>> at that
>>> same location.  Total of nine in running or restorable condition. 
>>> Jamie... is your SD1 the same one about which you wrote in the 
>>> famous 'there
>>> will be no more trolling eBay after having too much wine' incident?
>>> Regards,
>>> Gross Scruggs
>>> Annapolis MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> no-mail:
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>>> http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/
>>> Join the Back-up list and post photos at:
>>> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/
>>>   
>>
>>
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Thu Jan  7 22:03:33 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many Rovers in the US?
In-Reply-To: <4B469F14.9000303@aol.com>
References: <mailman.12.1262893416.13144.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>	<018201ca8fdf$fb87f230$f297d690$@net>	<4B46538E.1070605@aol.com>	<4B469B81.1000605@alum.swarthmore.edu>
	<4B469F14.9000303@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B46A085.4070809@alum.swarthmore.edu>

I agree that there probably are more -- 750 to 1000 seems likely. 

Jamie Kitman wrote:
> thanks steve -- so there's our best guess -- 500. i've forwarded it on 
> to the interested party. personally, i'd bet there were more cars out 
> there belonging to non-members, counting non-runners, maybe as many as 
> 750. we need to get the human genome team on this.
>
> jamie
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many Rovers in the US?
> Date: 1/7/10 9:42 PM
>> Jamie,
>>
>> John Burkhard has kept the western Rover Automobile Directory much 
>> more up to date lately than I have with the eastern portion, but as 
>> of a year or so ago, there were about 120 owners listed east of the 
>> Mississippi.  Counting 40 cars for Dirk, I estimate that these owners 
>> have or had about 180 cars.  In the meantime, some owners have gotten 
>> out of Rovers, or dropped out of contact, while there are other new 
>> Rovers and Rover enthusiasts that should be added to the list.
>>
>> As Kent suggests, it is remarkable how many previously unknown Rovers 
>> come out of the woodwork sporadically considering the small numbers 
>> of cars originally sold here.
>>
>> I would estimate a minimum of 500 Rovers in the US combining the two 
>> halves of the Directory, and including at least 100 other cars that 
>> are out there, but not accounted for in the directories.  
>> Coincidently, there are three 1960's Rovers currently listed in 
>> Hemmings that I not come across before (as far as I know.)
>>
>> --Steve Manwell
>>
>>
>


From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Jan  8 13:06:44 2010
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:06:44 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Video and blogs on Hemmings site
Message-ID: <61CAB779-AA8A-457F-B75F-8911151698E8@telusplanet.net>


Not sure how many in Roverland have seen these:

Nice video about the 2000TC David LaChance bought from Glen Wilson in  
2008
http://www.hemmings.com/users/140338/video/81.html

David also has an ongoing blog about this car as the Rover Time thread  
in Hemmings blogs:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/02/28/rover-time/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/10/30/rover-time-part-ii/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/11/13/rover-time-part-iii-the-engine-goes-home-again/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/12/01/rover-time-part-iv-retrieving-the-parts-car/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/12/29/rover-time-part-v-engine-bay-beautification/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/04/01/rover-time-part-vi-reconnecting-the-hydraulics/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/05/12/rover-time-part-vii-rebuilding-the-calipers/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/06/03/rover-time-part-viii-fuel-ignition-and-coolant/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/09/02/rover-time-part-ix-its-drive-your-rover-to-work-day/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/09/08/rover-time-part-x-making-a-new-choke-cable/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/12/03/rover-time-part-xi-to-marthas-vineyard-and-back/




From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net  Fri Jan  8 16:08:27 2010
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:08:27 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
Message-ID: <4B479ECB.2000907@usachoice.net>

2SC, 2TC here. One of each scrap, others possibly fixable if any body is 
crazy enough!

FRM


From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 22:19:23 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:19:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Video and blogs on Hemmings
	site
In-Reply-To: <61CAB779-AA8A-457F-B75F-8911151698E8@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <846880.15335.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Roy. That was a nice group of links.

Nathan 
--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Video and blogs on Hemmings site
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:06 PM
> 
> Not sure how many in Roverland have seen these:
> 
> Nice video about the 2000TC David LaChance bought from Glen
> Wilson in 2008
> http://www.hemmings.com/users/140338/video/81.html
> 
> David also has an ongoing blog about this car as the Rover
> Time thread in Hemmings blogs:
> 
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/02/28/rover-time/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/10/30/rover-time-part-ii/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/11/13/rover-time-part-iii-the-engine-goes-home-again/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/12/01/rover-time-part-iv-retrieving-the-parts-car/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/12/29/rover-time-part-v-engine-bay-beautification/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/04/01/rover-time-part-vi-reconnecting-the-hydraulics/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/05/12/rover-time-part-vii-rebuilding-the-calipers/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/06/03/rover-time-part-viii-fuel-ignition-and-coolant/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/09/02/rover-time-part-ix-its-drive-your-rover-to-work-day/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/09/08/rover-time-part-x-making-a-new-choke-cable/
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/12/03/rover-time-part-xi-to-marthas-vineyard-and-back/
> 
> 
> 
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 14:52:24 2010
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (geffandjulie at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:52:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
In-Reply-To: <4B479ECB.2000907@usachoice.net>
Message-ID: <2057998262.9836251263066744157.JavaMail.root@sz0138a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

There are 3 or 4 P6 here in Portland OR, plus one known P4, and Slats' P5. I have not seen any SD-1. 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fletcher Millmore" <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net> 
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 1:08:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers 

2SC, 2TC here. One of each scrap, others possibly fixable if any body is 
crazy enough! 

FRM 

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From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
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Seems as if most of the Rovers left in the US are P6s -- does anyone 
know how many were imported?

As of February '09, the "Where Are They Now?" page on my P4 site

(http://home.ican.net/~magnet/p4/whereblk.htm)

had entries from 21 owners of the various Rover P4 models in the U.S.

Cheers,

 -- BD

=======================================



geffandjulie at comcast.net wrote:
> There are 3 or 4 P6 here in Portland OR, plus one known P4, and Slats' 
> P5. I have not seen any SD-1.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fletcher Millmore" <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 1:08:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
>
> 2SC, 2TC here. One of each scrap, others possibly fixable if any body is
> crazy enough!
>
> FRM
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rovernet at rovernet.ca



From den at aachenkennels.com  Sat Jan  9 18:05:18 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:05:18 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
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Are there any P2 or pre WWII Rovers over there. When did they start to
sell Rovers in the US.?

Den.



Seems as if most of the Rovers left in the US are P6s -- does anyone 
know how many were imported?

As of February '09, the "Where Are They Now?" page on my P4 site

(http://home.ican.net/~magnet/p4/whereblk.htm)

had entries from 21 owners of the various Rover P4 models in the U.S.

Cheers,

 -- BD



From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 00:24:08 2010
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:24:08 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] C.L.R. and Blueing
Message-ID: <bdb.56edaece.387abe78@aol.com>



   Hi All,
            New year over, trying to catch up again. Back in the Lorry, 
I've either had it strapped on or have been sweating around (or over) it for 47 
and a half hours, round town so far and I still have Friday to go. Early 
Finish today (thursday).

    Spotted a very original looking, shiny (BRG?) P6b in traffic on 
Tuesday, will have to get the details of that and a few others away to Rudiger.

   Dave South Oz, checked out the MSDS and have dug out my 6th Ed. of the 
Oz DG Code. The 7th has been around for a year or so but I don't have it. I 
haven't renewed my bulk DG licence for about 10 years.

  U.N. # 2967 Sulfamic Acid. Crystals. In the presence of water, corrosive 
to most metals.     Sounds Good !    Does Iron and Steel survive?   I've 
carted this stuff (substance).

   Glycolic Acid doesn't appear as that in the DG Code, although Glyceryl 
trinitrate solution -  NITROGLYCERIN -  appears two lines above where it 
should be (without a U.N. number).    "Trinitrate" is that TNT, also once a good 
local Transport Company started by Ken Thomas in Sydney?  Now based in 
Holland? The company that is, Ken is dead. (Carked it in the noughties). (Just 
Jokin'  about trinitrate).

   So I took a punt on U.N. 1184 Glycol dichoride and U.N. 2252 Glycol 
dimethyether.  Along the way I found some Brand names, Corsolve and Cellosolve. 
Sounds like the additive to CLR.  There is also Citric Acid, which does 
various weird things including turning milk into cheese and surfectants that 
make the rubbish float to the top. The surfactants might also include the bulk 
base soap substance the name of which I forget. It is not DG but if you 
breath it you will sneeze,  big time.

    Flaking out Thursday, try to finish Friday.

  Sunday Morning.

       Thanks Eric about the Calgon info. I remember my dad telling me what 
the basic substance is and its initial use as an additive to Boiler Water 
to prevent scale formation. Don't  know if it would be of any use in a hot 
tank type setup.

      Dave South Oz, checked the MSDS and noted that Calgon is incompatable 
with Ally and Mag. Maybe it has a place in the BBQ top blueing - hot tank. 
Noted that it is largely Potassium Sulfate. Found Potassium Sulfide in the 
DG Code U.N. #1382 which looks a bit nasty. Hopefully they are a bit 
different.  

     Slats, I checked the HotFlash site. Their Parkerising and Blueing 
process seems to be the closest to what I saw Gary doing almost 40 years ago. 
The area he was working in was very clean as he was always hosing it down. I 
would imagine he was also hosing the parts to remove the solutions.

      Den, it would be interesting to build a small Blueing plant. I will 
put that into the future projects department.

      Regards All,
                         MWJ  
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com  Sun Jan 10 04:39:26 2010
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:39:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
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Bill,
            have you considered putting this request on the P4 Guild Forum (link below) and in the Guild mag? I am sure you will be inundated with replies and it may help close any gaps.

I know Rudiger has done a huge service to the P6 community in building a database of P6's so a similar P4 and perhaps P5 database is long overdue. Whilst clubs have records of members cars it's the non-members that seem to slip the net



http://www.roverp4dg.org.uk/phpBB2/


Regards

Alan Francis (partviking)







________________________________
From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, 9 January, 2010 21:03:24
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers

Seems as if most of the Rovers left in the US are P6s -- does anyone 
know how many were imported?

As of February '09, the "Where Are They Now?" page on my P4 site

(http://home.ican.net/~magnet/p4/whereblk.htm)

had entries from 21 owners of the various Rover P4 models in the U.S.

Cheers,

-- BD

=======================================



geffandjulie at comcast.net wrote:
> There are 3 or 4 P6 here in Portland OR, plus one known P4, and Slats' 
> P5. I have not seen any SD-1.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fletcher Millmore" <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 1:08:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US rovers
>
> 2SC, 2TC here. One of each scrap, others possibly fixable if any body is
> crazy enough!
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From peter_m at amnet.net.au  Sun Jan 10 08:40:17 2010
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:40:17 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US Rovers- Suggest Use Official
	Registration Records?
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I wonder if a request to a sample of the registration authorities might
provide an idea of those Rovers still registered. Having said that I don't
know whether your county or state authorities handle do the vehicle
registrations, if it is counties it might be a tedious job.  There would
surely not be privacy issues; you would after all be seeking only numbers
and year of manufacture. 

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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sun Jan 10 09:12:30 2010
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US Rovers- Suggest Use
	OfficialRegistration Records?
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	<002101ca91fa$73161900$59424b00$@net.au>
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Overhere in Germany it?s not possible to get the correct number of still existing P6s -

see my website http://www.roverp6.info/BestandGB.htm

Rudiger




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>I wonder if a request to a sample of the registration authorities might
> provide an idea of those Rovers still registered. Having said that I don't
> know whether your county or state authorities handle do the vehicle
> registrations, if it is counties it might be a tedious job.  There would
> surely not be privacy issues; you would after all be seeking only numbers
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From sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 11:42:16 2010
From: sharrigan2000tc at gmail.com (Sean Harrigan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:42:16 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pics
Message-ID: <beb7b151001100842l5d36f384q3e9a5d790363535@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All....here's the links to the pics i took this weekend of the 4 rovers
that need to find new homes.

http://picasaweb.google.com/harrigandesign/RoverYellow?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/harrigandesign/3500?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/harrigandesign/RoverBrown?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/harrigandesign/RoverGreen?feat=directlink


bring any and all offers. i have other spares that i forgot too photograph
also... let me know what you need.


Sean Harrigan
951 500 6360
sean at plascorinc.com
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From phing at videotron.ca  Sun Jan 10 16:14:54 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:14:54 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No News in 2010
Message-ID: <000001ca9239$f4c6a250$de53e6f0$@ca>

Hi  

What's happening out there?? I've received no Rover e mail since 2/01/2010 .

Not a good way to start the year  .

Cheers 

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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 16:21:05 2010
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No News in 2010
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9239$f4c6a250$de53e6f0$@ca>
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Here's some news...

 

 My '71 P6B is sitting out in the snow for the first time in more years than I can recall...not something I consider as being good news but since the news here is indeed a little slim I thought I would share.

 Happy new years to all !!
 


From: phing at videotron.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:14:54 -0500
CC: oldrovers at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No News in 2010





Hi  
What?s happening out there?? I?ve received no Rover e mail since 2/01/2010 .
Not a good way to start the year  .
Cheers 
 Patrick 
  		 	   		  
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 16:59:24 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No News in 2010
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9239$f4c6a250$de53e6f0$@ca>
References: <000001ca9239$f4c6a250$de53e6f0$@ca>
Message-ID: <937876.82266.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You've been in Nunavut, surely. (Or is that "none of it"  :-)

There have been Rovernet messages on January, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and, of course 10, 2010

Eric
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Cc: oldrovers at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 1:14:54 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] No News in 2010

  
Hi  
What?s happening out there?? I?ve received no Rover
e mail since 2/01/2010 .
Not a good way to start the year  .
Cheers 
 Patrick 


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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 20:13:10 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:13:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question
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Eric, 



Do you or anyone else out there happen to have the dates form the Western Washington (Bellvue ?) ABFM? I have a cousin visiting the Seattle area, in August, and thought that he might enjoy that, if the dates connect. He is a car guy, but not Rovers (Checkers). 



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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan 10 20:29:08 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:29:08 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081B4C@Server.adoptsec.local>

Anyone heard of using potassium permanganate Condies crystals  

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Russell
Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 10:10 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools

 

Here's a video of a product being demonstrated:
http://www.shootersolutions.com/vaningunblu.html

Eric



 

"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)

 

 

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From: Dennis Gallacher <den at aachenkennels.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 3:12:32 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Blueing of old rover Tools




Good morning All,

 

I have managed to find a few more tools for the P2 special tool tray. Unfortunately both the pliers and adjustable where sized solid with rust. After a few hours soak in a super product for us in Oz called CLR ( Calcium, lime, & Rust remover ) I?ve been able to get them moving again and in the case of the adjustable , stripped down. 

 

I have given them a low pressure sand blast then finished off with a short high pressure to peen the surface however would now like to metal blue them or blacken them so as they look kind of original.

 

The last time I had anything to do with blueing metal was way back in the 60s as an apprentice. As I recall you have to heat the metal and dunk it in a solution of something or other? or boil them in the same ( or perhaps something more modern) chemical.

 

So pliers and adjustable need to be blackened or blued and the spanners need to be...??? need help here to chaps.!!!

 

Anyone help with a few ideas or perhaps more knowledge them I have on this subject so may have a different approach.

 

All the very best to all you Rover Lads and Lasses for the new year.

 

Den Gallacher.

 

PS This CLR is really very good stuff. I am in the process of tiling and refurbishing the laundry for the good lady indoors. As per normal the washing machine taps have not moved in over 10 years and seized solid. An overnight soak in this stuff and they are the same as if I had just bought them, shiny chrome, no sign of crap anywhere, easy to turn on & off, plus the plastic looks fantastic. Wonder what it would do to a bit of ally such as in S.U.s?. I?ll let you know soon as experiment a bit more.

 

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 21:25:21 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question
In-Reply-To: <385943924.9722841263172390100.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <385943924.9722841263172390100.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <559896.42786.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Our front man for the WW Meet is Neil Webb.
Try him at:
Neil Webb <NAWebb at aol.com>; 

Eric



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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question


Eric,
 
Do you or anyone else out there happen to have the dates form the Western Washington (Bellvue ?) ABFM? I have a cousin visiting the Seattle area, in August, and thought that he might enjoy that, if the dates connect. He is a car guy, but not Rovers (Checkers).
 
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From ghegranes at msn.com  Sun Jan 10 22:11:56 2010
From: ghegranes at msn.com (Grant Hegranes)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:11:56 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question ABFM
In-Reply-To: <385943924.9722841263172390100.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <937876.82266.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
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http://www.abfm.com/

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:13:10 +0000
From: slatskars at comcast.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question



Eric,

 

Do you or anyone else out there happen to have the dates form the Western Washington (Bellvue ?) ABFM? I have a cousin visiting the Seattle area, in August, and thought that he might enjoy that, if the dates connect. He is a car guy, but not Rovers (Checkers).

 

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 01:42:28 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:42:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question
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Thanks Eric. I will contact him. 



Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:25:21 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question 


Our front man for the WW Meet is Neil Webb. 
Try him at: 
Neil Webb <NAWebb at aol.com>; 

Eric 



"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 





From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net> 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Question 




Eric, 



Do you or anyone else out there happen to have the dates form the Western Washington (Bellvue ?) ABFM? I have a cousin visiting the Seattle area, in August, and thought that he might enjoy that, if the dates connect. He is a car guy, but not Rovers (Checkers). 



Slats 


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From scottsoldautorubber at bigpond.com.au  Mon Jan 11 19:17:50 2010
From: scottsoldautorubber at bigpond.com.au (Scott Richmond)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:17:50 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P2 for sale
Message-ID: <1C114A17638545059990545410D92166@userpc>

Someone sent me an email with a P2 6 light they have for sale in 
Shellharbour NSW, anyone interested, email him at max at twyfords.com.au needs 
restoring.
Thankyou,
Scott.

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12 Haughton Road, Oakleigh, Melbourne 3166,  Australia.
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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Mon Jan 11 20:13:59 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:13:59 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P2 for sale
In-Reply-To: <1C114A17638545059990545410D92166@userpc>
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:17:50 +1100, you wrote:

>Someone sent me an email with a P2 6 light they have for sale in 
>Shellharbour NSW, anyone interested, email him at max at twyfords.com.au needs 
>restoring.

You can see the details on our Rovers For Sale page
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/carads.htm

Cheers,

Peter Huttemeier
Webmaster 
Rover Car Club of Australia Inc
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/


From peter_m at amnet.net.au  Tue Jan 12 03:39:34 2010
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:39:34 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Patrick Hiron's NADA P63500S- photo in
	Practical Classics Dec 2009
Message-ID: <000301ca9362$c539ad50$4fad07f0$@net.au>

In my just-received copy of 'Practical Classics' (UK) page 52 there is a
very nice photo of Patrick's lovely P6 3500S together with information
supplied by him.

 

Great car, Patrick!

 

Regards,

 

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From markcoorparoo at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 04:39:37 2010
From: markcoorparoo at aol.com (markcoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:39:37 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US Rovers- Suggest Use Official
	Registration R...
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    Hi Peter, Rudiger and all,
                                  
                              I have met a number of previous Transport 
Ministers here in Oz. The only bloke, revise "Person", I might get any traction 
with is currently Deputy Premier of Queensland. I seem to bump into him 
every year or so, occaisonally having a little bit of a "yak".
    
       The bloke after him was a dill, so they made him Speaker. The young 
lady who now has the task is still learning. I am yet to ascertain whether 
she is in some form of marriage or not. If she isn't,  I am really going to 
have make some  efforts to offer her advice about her Portfolio. She is cute 
and lives within 40 minutes. I am less than 15 minutes from State 
Parliament..

    Where were we.. If I catch up with the former Transport Minister ( his 
current Job is like Deputy Governor of a State in the US ), I will try and 
raise the matter of  Car Clubs attempting to contact potential members via 
Data-Bases held by the State. Can't promise anything but hope to face to face 
the bloke within the first half of this year, if he shows up to support his 
supporters. I will make it an ongoing project.   Will report back, this 
might take years.

 Regards,
              MWJ.

   P.S.  I have Pictures. 
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From markcoorparoo at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 05:15:22 2010
From: markcoorparoo at aol.com (markcoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:15:22 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] US Rovers- Suggest Use
	OfficialRegistration Re
Message-ID: <475.78f7bc69.387da5ba@aol.com>



 Hi Rudiger and All,
                            Havent't seen a SD1 on the road in Brisbane for 
6 - 12 months but have seen a couple of P6b's. If I catch up I will get the 
details away to you.

   Regards,
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:56:27 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:56:27 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover for sale on Seattle Craigslist.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1262797206.17717.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1546413895.html

I just spotted this one on Seattle Craigslist. Its kind of over the other side of the country for me, but for $500 even if the car was too far gone the parts would more than cover the purchase price and some shipping for someone a bit more local. 

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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Tue Jan 12 20:46:23 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:46:23 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover TC Spark Plugs
References: <mailman.1.1262797206.17717.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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hi Folks
          I'm in the process of changing my plugs on the 1971 TC series two. The plugs in the car at present are NGK BPR6ES. Are these the best plugs to use or should I change to a different brand, I've had no trouble with them to date. Also I recently installed Petronix ignition and if I remember correctly the plug gap should be 35.
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 22:01:23 2010
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover TC Spark Plugs
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:46:23 -0400
> From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover TC Spark Plugs
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> 
> hi Folks
> I'm in the process of changing my plugs on the 1971 TC series two. The plugs in the car at present are NGK BPR6ES. Are these the best plugs to use or should I change to a different brand, I've had no trouble with them to date. Also I recently installed Petronix ignition and if I remember correctly the plug gap should be 35.
> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
> *************


Originally Rover recommended Champion N6Y for the TC motor. Later they changed their recommendation to N7Y, which is a slightly hotter plug. N6Y crosses to a BP8ES in NGK. NGK recommends BP6ES. (The R just means resistor). If you have no plug fouling issues and your motor suffers from no pre ignition then the plug you have is fine, and I would stick with them. If you have plug fouling issues then you might want to consider a BPR6EIX, fine wire platinum plugs. Some members here have reported good results with those plugs with pertronics. Conversely I found those plugs always fouled on cylinder 3 on my TC, and I have been running an Autolite APP63 on that cylinder only with success. I have compression tested my motor, and number 3 has the highest compression, so work that one out for you! My ignition system uses points, and a high energy coil.

 

The correct plug for your motor is affected to some degree by the type of driving which you do, the fuel quality, and I suspect that motor operating temperature affects things as well, and this is deterimined by which thermostat you have in the motor. Rover recommended 170 degree F thermostat, which are hard to get these days, so people either run at 180 degrees or 160 degrees.  The later motors with emissions control tend to run a little warmer, which might suggest a cooler plug. Hence the is no "correct" plug you need to experiment a little bit if you have a problem. Bad leads or a tired ignition coil can cause fouling issues as well. So can short running. Since you have no probs, then stick with BPR6ES.  35 thou sounds right to me.

 

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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Wed Jan 13 22:05:19 2010
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (vmitps at netspace.net.au)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:05:19 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover TC Spark Plugs
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 Conversely I found those plugs always fouled on cylinder 3
> on my TC, and I have been running an Autolite APP63 on that cylinder only
> with success. I have compression tested my motor, and number 3 has the
> highest compression, so work that one out for you! My ignition system uses
> points, and a high energy coil.

Number 2 and 3 run richer than 1 and 4, so is it possible your rear carb is 
richer than the front, making 3 the richest cylinder?

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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Thu Jan 14 08:20:33 2010
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover TC Spark Plugs
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Hi James
              Thamks for the info, great advice.
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From facondis1 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:44:04 2010
From: facondis1 at hotmail.com (nicodemos facondis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:44:04 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000TC
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Dear Sir,

       I am interest on buying original Woodhead front shock suspension for my Rover 2000TC part number 572554
please advice
thanks in advance

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From phing at videotron.ca  Sat Jan 16 22:32:24 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:32:24 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??
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Hi 

 I have received nothing from Rovernet since 1 / 1 2010 . What's happening
out there ?? Has every one stopped work on their cars . Has the fire wall of
China purged my e mail ?? . 

Please let me know ! 

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From peter_m at amnet.net.au  Sat Jan 16 22:55:50 2010
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:55:50 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??
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Hi Patrick,  life has been going on since 1/1/2010- you must have had a
glitch that cut you off Rovernet.  I even lodged a compliment about your car
being featured in the UK magazine 'Practical Classics'.

 

Peter Mitchell

 

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Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
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Hi 

 I have received nothing from Rovernet since 1 / 1 2010 . What's happening
out there ?? Has every one stopped work on their cars . Has the fire wall of
China purged my e mail ?? . 

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 Cheers 

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 01:45:07 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:45:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??
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Patrick,
There is nothing on the server that suggests there is a problem with your account.
The server will receive a message, scan down the list of all subscribers and send out the same message.

If, at your end, your Internet Provider (in this case "videotron.ca"), decides that the same message looks like you are on a list of many recipients, a filter could determine that email from <rovernet.ca> is likely to be SPAM and filter it for you. You'll never see it (just like I do all the time with SPAM that attempts to breach the Great Wall of Rovernet).  
We like to use the word .......... Discard..... :-)

I have sent a copy to both Rovernet and to your own address.  If you only get ONE copy of this message, call your ISP and ask them to allow email from <rovernet.ca>.  Complain, shake your fist, rattle their chains ............ :-)

Good luck with that ...........

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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 7:32:24 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??

  
Hi 
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. Has the fire wall of China purged my e mail ?? . 
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From David.Moorefield at msj.org  Sun Jan 17 10:01:26 2010
From: David.Moorefield at msj.org (David L Moorefield)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:01:26 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva,
 for Everyone/The New Movie "The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel
 Washington's best...
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	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Two scenes in the movie shows him ducking down behind an old Rover (Very Clearly) ..How bout it fans which model could it Be???...:O)

  _____

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca on behalf of Eric Russell
Sent: Sun 1/17/2010 1:45 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??


Patrick,
There is nothing on the server that suggests there is a problem with your account.
The server will receive a message, scan down the list of all subscribers and send out the same message.

If, at your end, your Internet Provider (in this case "videotron.ca"), decides that the same message looks like you are on a list of many recipients, a filter could determine that email from <rovernet.ca> is likely to be SPAM and filter it for you. You'll never see it (just like I do all the time with SPAM that attempts to breach the Great Wall of Rovernet).
We like to use the word .......... Discard..... :-)

I have sent a copy to both Rovernet and to your own address.  If you only get ONE copy of this message, call your ISP and ask them to allow email from <rovernet.ca>.  Complain, shake your fist, rattle their chains ............ :-)

Good luck with that ...........

You can check on past archives via the website and your email address as member. If you forgot your Password, there is a button to click to have the server send you one.

Eric
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  _____

From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 7:32:24 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??



Hi

 I have received nothing from Rovernet since 1 / 1 2010 . What's happening out there ?? Has every one stopped work on their cars . Has the fire wall of China purged my e mail ?? .

Please let me know !

 Cheers

 Patrick


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From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Sun Jan 17 13:49:25 2010
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:49:25 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva,
	for Everyone/The New Movie "The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel
	Washington's best...
In-Reply-To: <6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG>
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In the movie "An Education" a P4 is clearly one of the 6 or 7 vintage cars,
and the seducer-hero drives a Bristol. A Jag 340, a Healy 3000, a Mini, and
I think a Triumph saloon are also on the '60s roads in the movie.

AvMedSafe
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Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of David L Moorefield
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:01 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva, for Everyone/The New Movie
"The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel Washington's best...

Two scenes in the movie shows him ducking down behind an old Rover (Very
Clearly) ..How bout it fans which model could it Be???...:O)

  _____

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca on behalf of Eric Russell
Sent: Sun 1/17/2010 1:45 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??


Patrick,
There is nothing on the server that suggests there is a problem with your
account.
The server will receive a message, scan down the list of all subscribers and
send out the same message.

If, at your end, your Internet Provider (in this case "videotron.ca"),
decides that the same message looks like you are on a list of many
recipients, a filter could determine that email from <rovernet.ca> is likely
to be SPAM and filter it for you. You'll never see it (just like I do all
the time with SPAM that attempts to breach the Great Wall of Rovernet).
We like to use the word .......... Discard..... :-)

I have sent a copy to both Rovernet and to your own address.  If you only
get ONE copy of this message, call your ISP and ask them to allow email from
<rovernet.ca>.  Complain, shake your fist, rattle their chains ............
:-)

Good luck with that ...........

You can check on past archives via the website and your email address as
member. If you forgot your Password, there is a button to click to have the
server send you one.

Eric
List Admin.


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  _____

From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 7:32:24 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??



Hi

 I have received nothing from Rovernet since 1 / 1 2010 . What's happening
out there ?? Has every one stopped work on their cars . Has the fire wall of
China purged my e mail ?? .

Please let me know !

 Cheers

 Patrick


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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 15:42:05 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:42:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva,
	for Everyone/The New Movie "The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel
	Washington's best...
In-Reply-To: <006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>
	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG>
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We watch "Heartbeat" and "The Royal" for a Rover "fix".

When another movie or series pops up, Linda is almost as fast at recognizing a Rover, now.

Eric



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----- Original Message ----
From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 10:49:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva, for Everyone/The New Movie "The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel Washington's best...

In the movie "An Education" a P4 is clearly one of the 6 or 7 vintage cars,
and the seducer-hero drives a Bristol. A Jag 340, a Healy 3000, a Mini, and
I think a Triumph saloon are also on the '60s roads in the movie.

AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of David L Moorefield
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:01 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva, for Everyone/The New Movie
"The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel Washington's best...

Two scenes in the movie shows him ducking down behind an old Rover (Very
Clearly) ..How bout it fans which model could it Be???...:O)

  _____

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca on behalf of Eric Russell
Sent: Sun 1/17/2010 1:45 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??


Patrick,
There is nothing on the server that suggests there is a problem with your
account.
The server will receive a message, scan down the list of all subscribers and
send out the same message.

If, at your end, your Internet Provider (in this case "videotron.ca"),
decides that the same message looks like you are on a list of many
recipients, a filter could determine that email from <rovernet.ca> is likely
to be SPAM and filter it for you. You'll never see it (just like I do all
the time with SPAM that attempts to breach the Great Wall of Rovernet).
We like to use the word .......... Discard..... :-)

I have sent a copy to both Rovernet and to your own address.  If you only
get ONE copy of this message, call your ISP and ask them to allow email from
<rovernet.ca>.  Complain, shake your fist, rattle their chains ............
:-)

Good luck with that ...........

You can check on past archives via the website and your email address as
member. If you forgot your Password, there is a button to click to have the
server send you one.

Eric
List Admin.


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  _____

From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 7:32:24 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Excommunication ??



Hi

I have received nothing from Rovernet since 1 / 1 2010 . What's happening
out there ?? Has every one stopped work on their cars . Has the fire wall of
China purged my e mail ?? .

Please let me know !

Cheers

Patrick


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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Sun Jan 17 18:12:06 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:06 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Eric..Triva,
	for Everyone/The New Movie "The Book of Eli" Is one of Denzel
	Washington's best...
In-Reply-To: <006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:49:25 -0800, you wrote:

>In the movie "An Education" a P4 is clearly one of the 6 or 7 vintage cars,
>and the seducer-hero drives a Bristol. A Jag 340, a Healy 3000, a Mini, and
>I think a Triumph saloon are also on the '60s roads in the movie.

Speaking of Rovers in Movies/TV. Last night here there was a repeat of
The Saint on Pay TV, a 60's series with young Roger Moore before he
was cast in James Bond, not sure if it ever was on US TV. 

The Saint drives a Volvo P1800 Coupe, a very flash car for the time.
Last night's episode was all about rallying, and there were a number
of TVRs, Mini Cooper S, Lotus Cortinas, Triumph 2000's, and a
chocolate brown P6 with a white roof. As well a couple of RR and a
Jensen Interceptor appeared as well. The main race car featured was
actually a TVR Grantura, although it was portrayed as a one off
special.

I always play spot the car in these old shows, drives my partner mad!!
:-) "Look there is a ...., and there is a ......"!!

Cheers,

Peter H


From dmesmg at juno.com  Sun Jan 17 18:20:08 2010
From: dmesmg at juno.com (dmesmg at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:08 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
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Have not received any notes from Rovernet lately --just quiet out there?
Best regards,
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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan 17 19:08:05 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
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Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of
'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having a
movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. The
last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about an
actual bank robber from the 60s. 

Den Gallacher 



From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 20:16:21 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:16:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
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When you say "lately" how long do you mean?

Eric

 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



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Have not received any notes from Rovernet lately --just quiet out there?
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 20:16:21 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:16:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] test
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When you say "lately" how long do you mean?

Eric

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Have not received any notes from Rovernet lately --just quiet out there?
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From kkinard at att.net  Sun Jan 17 20:23:31 2010
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:23:31 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
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Hi Den,
I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake 
(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There 
are several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned 
and a jam sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of
> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having a
> movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. The
> last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about an
> actual bank robber from the 60s. 
>
> Den Gallacher 
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Mon Jan 18 05:52:21 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
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References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local>
	<4B53B813.3010903@att.net>
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Hi, 

	you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.

http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891

Best regards, gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Kent Kinard
Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema

Hi Den,
I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 
> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 
> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 
> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 
> an actual bank robber from the 60s.
>
> Den Gallacher
>
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Mon Jan 18 06:39:42 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:39:42 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover p5 on hemmings sports and exotic
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 Hemmings sports and exotic cars, febbraio 2010
 
Dear friends, I' ve seen a very interesting article abuot Dirk Burrow's
Rover p5 in H. Sports , february 2010.

In my opinion this is a splendid car, and I' ve seen it was recently
restored after may 2008 accident.

If possible, I ask Dirk to send  some photos about the restoration of
the car  and some more news about the conditions of the rear part, the
boot lid I mean.
Did doors close and open normally after the accident?

And did you find easily spare parts or did you use a donor car?

Please be so kind to let me know!

Best regards, gianluca.

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From bsaunders at firstva.com  Mon Jan 18 08:22:06 2010
From: bsaunders at firstva.com (Ben Saunders)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:22:06 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
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References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net><ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com>
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Hi Den,
You might want to look up a movie called "Your Past is showing" with Terry
Thomas, Peter Sellers and lots of others that has a P2 DHC in it.

Ben Saunders

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dennis Gallacher
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:08 PM
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie

Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of
'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having a
movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. The
last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about an
actual bank robber from the 60s. 

Den Gallacher 


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From jpsco44 at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 11:15:41 2010
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
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 if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org

it is a database of cars in movies .

enjoy  !!

jps

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Hi, 

    you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 
Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.

http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891

Best regards, gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto 
di Kent Kinard
Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema

Hi Den,
I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 
several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 
sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 
> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 
> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 
> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 
> an actual bank robber from the 60s.
>
> Den Gallacher
>
>
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From DevlinS at bp.com  Mon Jan 18 11:30:52 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:30:52 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
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Try www.IMCDb.org

 

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Sent: 18 January 2010 16:16
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if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org

it is a database of cars in movies .

enjoy  !!

jps




-----Original Message-----
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Hi, 



    you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 

Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.



http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891



Best regards, gianluca. 



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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema



Hi Den,

I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake

(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 

several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 

sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.



Roverly,

Kent K.



Dennis Gallacher wrote:

> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 

> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 

> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 

> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 

> an actual bank robber from the 60s.

>

> Den Gallacher

>

>

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From twfaust at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 12:00:47 2010
From: twfaust at aol.com (twfaust at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:00:47 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
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There is a sci-fi movie from the 90's, I believe "Gattaca". The police cars 
 of the future are Rover P-6's. There is a fleet of them, all black. The  
protagonist's vehicle of the future is a Citroen convertible from the  70's.
 
Tom Faust
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Mon Jan 18 12:08:22 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
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Hello all,

The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (  
http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html  )  lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 
manual" as using the same clutch disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 
SC and TC -- specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure 
plate) and 561331 (disk).

Does anyone have direct experience with this interchange?  I'm wondering 
which Volvo model years apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 
240 continued to 1993.

To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation from the 1969 
parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all SC models after engines 
40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 

The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A and 
40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines from 41512552B and 
41603746B through the end of suffix C.  Later engines use a different 
pressure plate.  Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring 
in the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing sleeve 
presses against?

For further confusion, the September,  1974 parts manual shows only 
clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure plate number GCC130, and -- 
typically for this manual -- gives no details as to which engine numbers 
they fit or which older part numbers they replace.

Thanks for any help on this,

Steve Manwell






From vern at inkspotco.com  Mon Jan 18 12:14:59 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:14:59 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
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There was a change on the thickness of the pressure plate actuator plate, the workshop manual gives instructions for modifying early clutch throwout sleeves to suit the later pressure plate.

Can't advise on the Volvo interchanges.

Yours
Vern

On 2010-01-18, at 9:08 AM, S Manwell wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (  http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html  )  lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 manual" as using the same clutch disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 SC and TC -- specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure plate) and 561331 (disk).
> 
> Does anyone have direct experience with this interchange?  I'm wondering which Volvo model years apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 240 continued to 1993.
> 
> To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation from the 1969 parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all SC models after engines 40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 
> The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A and 40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines from 41512552B and 41603746B through the end of suffix C.  Later engines use a different pressure plate.  Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring in the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing sleeve presses against?
> 
> For further confusion, the September,  1974 parts manual shows only clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure plate number GCC130, and -- typically for this manual -- gives no details as to which engine numbers they fit or which older part numbers they replace.
> 
> Thanks for any help on this,
> 
> Steve Manwell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:15:27 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <4B549586.6090000@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Steve,

I'm no Volvo expert, but I'm pretty sure the B21 volvo engine was a pushrod engine used only in all the 140 series and the earliest Volvo 240s before they went to the OHC engine. I bet if you check Wikipedia Volvo 240 you'll be able to find the transistion year. (I'm at work and in a hurry or I'd do it for you.) 

 Nathan 

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> wrote:

> From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:08 AM
> Hello all,
> 
> The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (? http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html? )?
> lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 manual" as using the same clutch
> disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 SC and TC --
> specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure
> plate) and 561331 (disk).
> 
> Does anyone have direct experience with this
> interchange?? I'm wondering which Volvo model years
> apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 240 continued
> to 1993.
> 
> To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation
> from the 1969 parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all
> SC models after engines 40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC
> engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 
> The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A
> and 40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines
> from 41512552B and 41603746B through the end of suffix
> C.? Later engines use a different pressure plate.?
> Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring in
> the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing
> sleeve presses against?
> 
> For further confusion, the September,? 1974 parts
> manual shows only clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure
> plate number GCC130, and -- typically for this manual --
> gives no details as to which engine numbers they fit or
> which older part numbers they replace.
> 
> Thanks for any help on this,
> 
> Steve Manwell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:22:08 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <4B549586.6090000@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <460415.69227.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I take back everything I said! It appears the B21 is the OHC engine used up till '83 on the Volvo 240s. 

Nathan 
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> wrote:

> From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:08 AM
> Hello all,
> 
> The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (? http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html? )?
> lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 manual" as using the same clutch
> disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 SC and TC --
> specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure
> plate) and 561331 (disk).
> 
> Does anyone have direct experience with this
> interchange?? I'm wondering which Volvo model years
> apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 240 continued
> to 1993.
> 
> To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation
> from the 1969 parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all
> SC models after engines 40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC
> engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 
> The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A
> and 40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines
> from 41512552B and 41603746B through the end of suffix
> C.? Later engines use a different pressure plate.?
> Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring in
> the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing
> sleeve presses against?
> 
> For further confusion, the September,? 1974 parts
> manual shows only clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure
> plate number GCC130, and -- typically for this manual --
> gives no details as to which engine numbers they fit or
> which older part numbers they replace.
> 
> Thanks for any help on this,
> 
> Steve Manwell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:22:50 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:22:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
In-Reply-To: <2ffca.4fef3623.3885edbf@aol.com>
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My 1969 Rover 2000 TC (Cameron Green) is in Battlestar Gallactica Episode 17 and in a pilot spinoff called "Caprica".

Here it is in Gallactica:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_171129-Rover-2000-TC-P6-1969.html

Eric




 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)




________________________________
From: "twfaust at aol.com" <twfaust at aol.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 9:00:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie

  
 
There is a sci-fi movie from the 90's, I believe "Gattaca". The police cars 
of the future are Rover P-6's. There is a fleet of them, all black. The 
protagonist's vehicle of the future is a Citroen convertible from the 
70's.
 
Tom Faust


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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:29:17 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:29:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
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Steve,
The early clutch assemblies had a thick pad that the thinner withdrawal sleeve dealt with.
The later clutch assembly had only "fingers" to be depressed so the withdrawal sleeve was changed and had its own pad at the end. The overall thickness had to stay about the same.  You couldn't put a thick pad withdrawal sleeve with an already padded early clutch assembly.  Vern has all these parts in pile 36A-5, location SUB-RM2, Box 32  :-)

Eric



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----- Original Message ----
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 9:08:22 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC

Hello all,

The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (  http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html  )  lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 manual" as using the same clutch disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 SC and TC -- specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure plate) and 561331 (disk).

Does anyone have direct experience with this interchange?  I'm wondering which Volvo model years apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 240 continued to 1993.

To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation from the 1969 parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all SC models after engines 40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 
The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A and 40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines from 41512552B and 41603746B through the end of suffix C.  Later engines use a different pressure plate.  Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring in the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing sleeve presses against?

For further confusion, the September,  1974 parts manual shows only clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure plate number GCC130, and -- typically for this manual -- gives no details as to which engine numbers they fit or which older part numbers they replace.

Thanks for any help on this,

Steve Manwell





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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:48:58 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
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Hello rovernet!
  The database at www.ICMDb.org <http://www.icmdb.org/> sounds very
interesting to look at for both Rover and other types of cars!!!  However, I
searched for the website and could not open it.  Do I have the name wrong
somehow?
  As for Steve's question about Rover 2000 clutch parts, and Volvo 140
numbers matching, try a knowlegable parts person that has suitable parts
books.  The numbers can be compared easily to see what will fit.  Do it by
looking up the part nos. of the year and model of both cars to see what is
the same!  The only one I had here was an SD1 clutch disc and pres. plate.
For some reason, I thought I had a 2000 set until I looked at it.  Write me
if you are still having questions.
Good luck!
Garrett Bourque
gbourque at gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM, <jpsco44 at aol.com> wrote:

> if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org<http://www.icmdb.org/>
>
> it is a database of cars in movies .
>
> enjoy  !!
>
> jps
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
>
> Hi,
>
>
>     you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of
>
> Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.
>
> http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891
>
>
> Best regards, gianluca.
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
>
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?>] Per conto
>
> di Kent Kinard
>
> Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24
>
>
> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema
>
>
> Hi Den,
>
> I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
>
> (1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are
>
> several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam
>
> sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.
>
>
> Roverly,
>
> Kent K.
>
>
> Dennis Gallacher wrote:
>
> > Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of
>
> > 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having
>
> > a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in.
>
> > The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about
>
> > an actual bank robber from the 60s.
>
> >
>
> > Den Gallacher
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Mon Jan 18 15:56:54 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
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Message-ID: <4B54CB16.5060208@alum.swarthmore.edu>

Thanks Nathan, that clarifies the interchange -- apparently the 
interchange must be with clutches on Volvos with both B20 (140 series 
pushrod) and B21 (OHC) engines, and some earlier Volvos too.

Nathan Obuch wrote:
> I take back everything I said! It appears the B21 is the OHC engine used up till '83 on the Volvo 240s. 
>
> Nathan 
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:08 AM
>> Hello all,
>>
>> The parts interchange table at the RCCC website (  http://www.roverclub.ca/partsXref.html  ) 
>> lists "Volvo 140/240, B21 manual" as using the same clutch
>> disk and pressure plate as Rover 2000 SC and TC --
>> specifically to replace Rover part numbers 561330 (pressure
>> plate) and 561331 (disk).
>>
>> Does anyone have direct experience with this
>> interchange?  I'm wondering which Volvo model years
>> apply, because the 140 started in 1968 and the 240 continued
>> to 1993.
>>
>> To fill in some details on the Rover side of the equation
>> from the 1969 parts book, the disk #561331 was used on all
>> SC models after engines 40053528G and 40100042G, and all TC
>> engines after 41503920A and 41501590A. 
>> The pressure plate #561330 is for SC engines from 40058905A
>> and 40100084H to the end of suffix H, and for TC engines
>> from 41512552B and 41603746B through the end of suffix
>> C.  Later engines use a different pressure plate. 
>> Am I right in thinking that the difference is the ring in
>> the center of the clutch that the clutch release bearing
>> sleeve presses against?
>>
>> For further confusion, the September,  1974 parts
>> manual shows only clutch disk number GCP127 and pressure
>> plate number GCC130, and -- typically for this manual --
>> gives no details as to which engine numbers they fit or
>> which older part numbers they replace.
>>
>> Thanks for any help on this,
>>
>> Steve Manwell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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From DevlinS at bp.com  Mon Jan 18 15:58:27 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:58:27 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
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Try www.IMCDb.org <BLOCKED::http://www.IMCDb.org>  instead, there was a typo in the original message.
 

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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of garrett bourque
Sent: 18 January 2010 20:49
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Hello rovernet!
  The database at www.ICMDb.org <http://www.icmdb.org/>  sounds very interesting to look at for both Rover and other types of cars!!!  However, I searched for the website and could not open it.  Do I have the name wrong somehow?
  As for Steve's question about Rover 2000 clutch parts, and Volvo 140 numbers matching, try a knowlegable parts person that has suitable parts books.  The numbers can be compared easily to see what will fit.  Do it by looking up the part nos. of the year and model of both cars to see what is the same!  The only one I had here was an SD1 clutch disc and pres. plate.  For some reason, I thought I had a 2000 set until I looked at it.  Write me if you are still having questions.
Good luck!
Garrett Bourque
gbourque at gmail.com

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM, <jpsco44 at aol.com> wrote:


	
	if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org <http://www.icmdb.org/> 
	
	it is a database of cars in movies .
	
	enjoy  !!
	
	jps
	



	-----Original Message-----
	From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
	To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
	
	Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
	Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
	
	
	Hi, 
	
	
	
	    you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 
	
	Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.
	
	
	
	http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891
	
	
	
	Best regards, gianluca. 
	
	
	
	-----Messaggio originale-----
	
	Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?> ] Per conto 
	
	di Kent Kinard
	
	Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24


	A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
	

	Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema
	
	
	
	Hi Den,
	
	I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
	
	(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 
	
	several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 
	
	sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.
	
	
	
	Roverly,
	
	Kent K.
	
	
	
	Dennis Gallacher wrote:
	
	> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 
	
	> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 
	
	> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 
	
	> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 
	
	> an actual bank robber from the 60s.
	
	>
	
	> Den Gallacher


	>
	
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From anders at xoz.dk  Mon Jan 18 16:02:21 2010
From: anders at xoz.dk (Anders Hedelund)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B54CC5D.2030102@xoz.dk>

Volvo B21 is 240 OHC. been there, spoiled it, replaced it. 
http://www.xoz.dk/ahl/auto/PF_Auto/im002365.html

..Anders, Copenhagen


From anders at xoz.dk  Mon Jan 18 16:05:34 2010
From: anders at xoz.dk (Anders Hedelund)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:05:34 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B54CD1E.4080705@xoz.dk>

Better picture. This actually is/was a Volvo B21: 
http://www.xoz.dk/ahl/auto/PF_Auto/dcp01838.html  ...ahl


From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Mon Jan 18 18:38:30 2010
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:38:30 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <285941.35525.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net><ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com>	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local>	<5158968650ED478D8D4E08FDBB345A77@sd1>	<4B549586.6090000@alum.swarthmore.edu>
	<285941.35525.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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You never know what may be on-line:

Following a lead from Eric, I looked up Quinton-Hazel, and found that 
they have on-line catalogs for several types of components including 
clutches here:
http://www2.qha.com/catalogues/QH08.pdf

For P6 engines up through suffix H (apparently referring to SC), this 
catalog lists QH part number C714AF for the clutch disk and Q10011 for 
the pressure plate.  For later engines, QH part number C714AF for the 
clutch disk and Q10027 for the pressure plate.  Eric has a QH box for a 
P6 clutch disk with number C714S for Rover 2000 and 2200 '63 - '77 and 
Volvo 1800 '65 - '73.

The same QH catalog lists the C714AF disk and the Q10027 pressure plate 
for the following other cars:

Volvo 120 series with B18A engine, 1965 - 1967
Volvo 140 series with B20 through B20E engines, 1967 - 1975
Volvo 242/244/245 with B21 OHC engine, 1975 - 1978  (also up to 1984 
only for Q10027 pressure plate)
Triumph GT6 2.0 liter 4/1966 - 2/1974

Other cars not common in the US:
Triumph 2000 and 2500 saloons
Vitesse 2.0 12/1965 - 12/1971
Vauxhall VX 2.3 1975 - 1978

--Steve Manwell


Eric Russell wrote:
> Steve,
> The early clutch assemblies had a thick pad that the thinner withdrawal sleeve dealt with.
> The later clutch assembly had only "fingers" to be depressed so the withdrawal sleeve was changed and had its own pad at the end. The overall thickness had to stay about the same.  You couldn't put a thick pad withdrawal sleeve with an already padded early clutch assembly.  Vern has all these parts in pile 36A-5, location SUB-RM2, Box 32  :-)
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>  "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
>
>   


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 19:56:13 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:56:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <4B54F0F6.1050405@alum.swarthmore.edu>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>
	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net><ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com>
	<73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local>
	<5158968650ED478D8D4E08FDBB345A77@sd1>
	<4B549586.6090000@alum.swarthmore.edu>
	<285941.35525.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B54F0F6.1050405@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <405753.19162.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just because us retired folk have the time .......... :-)

I searched through the QH database page for the part number of the box flap I have (C714S).
That number never appeared.

The number given is  C714AF

So,............ I went back and searched for C714AF and found many applications (not only for Rover but) for a wide variety of Volvo and Triumph.

The REAL problem is locating the part and then finding one for a "reasonable" cost (whatever "reasonable" means)  :-)

Eric



 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



----- Original Message ----
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 3:38:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC

You never know what may be on-line:

Following a lead from Eric, I looked up Quinton-Hazel, and found that they have on-line catalogs for several types of components including clutches here:
http://www2.qha.com/catalogues/QH08.pdf

For P6 engines up through suffix H (apparently referring to SC), this catalog lists QH part number C714AF for the clutch disk and Q10011 for the pressure plate.  For later engines, QH part number C714AF for the clutch disk and Q10027 for the pressure plate.  Eric has a QH box for a P6 clutch disk with number C714S for Rover 2000 and 2200 '63 - '77 and Volvo 1800 '65 - '73.

The same QH catalog lists the C714AF disk and the Q10027 pressure plate for the following other cars:

Volvo 120 series with B18A engine, 1965 - 1967
Volvo 140 series with B20 through B20E engines, 1967 - 1975
Volvo 242/244/245 with B21 OHC engine, 1975 - 1978  (also up to 1984 only for Q10027 pressure plate)
Triumph GT6 2.0 liter 4/1966 - 2/1974

Other cars not common in the US:
Triumph 2000 and 2500 saloons
Vitesse 2.0 12/1965 - 12/1971
Vauxhall VX 2.3 1975 - 1978

--Steve Manwell


Eric Russell wrote:
> Steve,
> The early clutch assemblies had a thick pad that the thinner withdrawal sleeve dealt with.
> The later clutch assembly had only "fingers" to be depressed so the withdrawal sleeve was changed and had its own pad at the end. The overall thickness had to stay about the same.  You couldn't put a thick pad withdrawal sleeve with an already padded early clutch assembly.  Vern has all these parts in pile 36A-5, location SUB-RM2, Box 32  :-)
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
>  "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Tue Jan 19 04:26:30 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:26:30 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Clutch interchange for 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <4B54CD1E.4080705@xoz.dk>
References: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4B54CD1E.4080705@xoz.dk>
Message-ID: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56C8E@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>

It looks like a Volvo amazon.

Best regards, gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Anders Hedelund
Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 22.06
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch interchange for 2000TC

Better picture. This actually is/was a Volvo B21: 
http://www.xoz.dk/ahl/auto/PF_Auto/dcp01838.html  ...ahl

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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Tue Jan 19 05:18:45 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:18:45 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
	<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>

Thanks, Stewart.
Very interesting.
 
Best regards, gianluca.

________________________________

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)
Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 17.31
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


 
 

Try www.IMCDb.org

 

________________________________

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of jpsco44 at aol.com
Sent: 18 January 2010 16:16
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org

it is a database of cars in movies .

enjoy  !!

jps




-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Hi, 



    you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 

Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.



http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891



Best regards, gianluca. 



-----Messaggio originale-----

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?> ] Per conto 

di Kent Kinard

Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24

A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.

Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema



Hi Den,

I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake

(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 

several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 

sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.



Roverly,

Kent K.



Dennis Gallacher wrote:

> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 

> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 

> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 

> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 

> an actual bank robber from the 60s.

>

> Den Gallacher

>

>

> _______________________________________________


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From anders at xoz.dk  Tue Jan 19 05:40:39 2010
From: anders at xoz.dk (Anders Hedelund)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:40:39 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Going from fixing old Volvos to finally
	doing the P6B
In-Reply-To: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56C8E@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>
References: <896517.19615.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4B54CD1E.4080705@xoz.dk>
	<7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56C8E@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>
Message-ID: <4B558C27.6050509@xoz.dk>

Nope, Gianluca, my Amazon was in mint condition when it was totally 
wrecked - and color dark blue 96. The B21 belonged to this 244 
http://www.xoz.dk/ahl/auto/PF_Auto/im000367.html

Btw. the Lancia has found a new home, so this year's ambition is to get 
the P6B running. It "barely" needs more than having the new body panels 
fixed. They can be seen when sprayed some 3 or 4 years ago from here  
http://www.xoz.dk/ahl/auto/PF_Auto/im000068.html

Notice that most were sand blasted and hot zinc sprayed before being 
filled and sprayed as seen - in Arden Green Glasurit as used originally 
by Rover in 1969 :-)

She has been off the road since 1997, so it is about time getting her 
running again. Wish winter could end, so I can get into the workshop.

...Anders, Copenhagen, Denmark


From DevlinS at bp.com  Tue Jan 19 06:08:44 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:08:44 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
In-Reply-To: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
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Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F416@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>

 
About 20 years ago my father-in-law wrote a couple of TV series for Yorkshire Television in the UK called 'The Gaffer' which starred a rather beat-up P6.  This is not yet on the database but I have the first series on DVD so will find out how to post pictures and add it next time I am at home.  There was also a 1936 10 in the first film version of All Creatures Great and Small which is not listed but I am not sure how to get a clip of the car to add to the database.
 
Stewart
 

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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
Sent: 19 January 2010 10:19
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Thanks, Stewart.
Very interesting.
 
Best regards, gianluca.

________________________________

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)
Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 17.31
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


 
 

Try www.IMCDb.org

 

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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of jpsco44 at aol.com
Sent: 18 January 2010 16:16
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org

it is a database of cars in movies .

enjoy  !!

jps




-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema


Hi, 



    you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 

Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.



http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891



Best regards, gianluca. 



-----Messaggio originale-----

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?> ] Per conto 

di Kent Kinard

Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24

A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.

Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema



Hi Den,

I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake

(1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 

several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 

sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.



Roverly,

Kent K.



Dennis Gallacher wrote:

> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 

> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 

> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 

> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 

> an actual bank robber from the 60s.

>

> Den Gallacher

>

>

> _______________________________________________


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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 09:16:10 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:16:10 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
References: <2ffca.4fef3623.3885edbf@aol.com>
	<65932.70253.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <06880E8C9EE2447E979E8B2F29C45086@SN037535920331>

Hi Eric
Well seeing as you have your car on imcbd, I thought it was only fair to get mine on as well, so please check out
http://www.imcdb.org/movie.php?id=1004510162  
for VVC 700S in Joys of Motoring

and 

http://www.imcdb.org/movie_977681-Supergrass.html  
for YXC 745K in Supergrass

All good fun and good promotion for the Rover P6 Cars

Speak Soon
Warmest Regards
Mark
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From robert at clocksoft.com  Tue Jan 19 10:34:04 2010
From: robert at clocksoft.com (Robert Pinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:34:04 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F416@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>	<7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>
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I hate to admit it, but it was more like thirty years ago.

It was fond memories of watching this series as a child that helped me 
decide to my first car had to be a Rover P6. My friends were all buying 
minis and Golf GTis. Not liking to follow the crowd, I had narrowed my 
choice down to either a Triumph GT6 or Rover P6. At the time, the 
insurance on a GT6 for me, a 19 year, old would have cost 3000.00 
pounds, which was more than I could afford at the time. The rest as they 
say, is history.

The car I bought was a Cameron green 1973 2000SC with buckskin interior, 
God I loved that car.

If it's possible, please thank your father in law on my behalf, he has, 
in no small way, contributed to the last twenty years of my life.

Robert


Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) wrote:
>  
> About 20 years ago my father-in-law wrote a couple of TV series for 
> Yorkshire Television in the UK called 'The Gaffer' which starred a 
> rather beat-up P6.  This is not yet on the database but I have the first 
> series on DVD so will find out how to post pictures and add it next time 
> I am at home.  There was also a 1936 10 in the first film version of All 
> Creatures Great and Small which is not listed but I am not sure how to 
> get a clip of the car to add to the database.
>  
> Stewart
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of 
> *gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
> *Sent:* 19 January 2010 10:19
> *To:* rovernet at rovernet.ca
> *Subject:* [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> Thanks, Stewart.
> Very interesting.
>  
> Best regards, gianluca.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Da:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> *Per conto di *Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)
> *Inviato:* luned? 18 gennaio 2010 17.31
> *A:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> *Oggetto:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Try www.IMCDb.org <http://www.IMCDb.org>
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of *jpsco44 at aol.com
> *Sent:* 18 January 2010 16:16
> *To:* rovernet at rovernet.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org
> 
> it is a database of cars in movies .
> 
> enjoy  !!
> 
> jps
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> 
>     you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french film of 
> 
> Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards, gianluca. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> 
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?>] Per conto 
> 
> di Kent Kinard
> 
> Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24
> 
> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> 
> Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Den,
> 
> I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
> 
> (1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  There are 
> 
> several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and a jam 
> 
> sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Roverly,
> 
> Kent K.
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of 
> 
>> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is having 
> 
>> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 
> 
>> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about 
> 
>> an actual bank robber from the 60s.
> 
>>
> 
>> Den Gallacher
> 
>>
> 
>>
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From DevlinS at bp.com  Tue Jan 19 10:59:58 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:59:58 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
In-Reply-To: <4B55D0EC.3030107@clocksoft.com>
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>	<7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F416@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
	<4B55D0EC.3030107@clocksoft.com>
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You are right Robert, 1981 to 1983 according to Wikipedia.  It was a bit of a self-portrait, Graham ran a small engineering business in Derby and a lot of the characters were based around people that he had dealings with.  I will certainly pass on your best wishes next time I am talking to him, he is now 86 but is still active and retains his sharp wit.  I wanted to buy the P6 but I think it went to the crusher.

Regards

Stewart
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Robert Pinner
Sent: 19 January 2010 15:34
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema

I hate to admit it, but it was more like thirty years ago.

It was fond memories of watching this series as a child that helped me decide to my first car had to be a Rover P6. My friends were all buying minis and Golf GTis. Not liking to follow the crowd, I had narrowed my choice down to either a Triumph GT6 or Rover P6. At the time, the insurance on a GT6 for me, a 19 year, old would have cost 3000.00 pounds, which was more than I could afford at the time. The rest as they say, is history.

The car I bought was a Cameron green 1973 2000SC with buckskin interior, God I loved that car.

If it's possible, please thank your father in law on my behalf, he has, in no small way, contributed to the last twenty years of my life.

Robert


Devlin, Stewart (Contractor) wrote:
>  
> About 20 years ago my father-in-law wrote a couple of TV series for 
> Yorkshire Television in the UK called 'The Gaffer' which starred a 
> rather beat-up P6.  This is not yet on the database but I have the 
> first series on DVD so will find out how to post pictures and add it 
> next time I am at home.  There was also a 1936 10 in the first film 
> version of All Creatures Great and Small which is not listed but I am 
> not sure how to get a clip of the car to add to the database.
>  
> Stewart
>  
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of 
> *gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
> *Sent:* 19 January 2010 10:19
> *To:* rovernet at rovernet.ca
> *Subject:* [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Car Movie - Rover al 
> cinema
> 
> Thanks, Stewart.
> Very interesting.
>  
> Best regards, gianluca.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *Da:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> *Per conto di *Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)
> *Inviato:* luned? 18 gennaio 2010 17.31
> *A:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> *Oggetto:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al 
> cinema
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Try www.IMCDb.org <http://www.IMCDb.org>
> 
>  
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of *jpsco44 at aol.com
> *Sent:* 18 January 2010 16:16
> *To:* rovernet at rovernet.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al 
> cinema
> 
> if you want to have fun with cars and movies , check www.ICMDb.org
> 
> it is a database of cars in movies .
> 
> enjoy  !!
> 
> jps
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52 am
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
>     you can see a green p6 also in Milou a maggio, a well known french 
> film of
> 
> Louis Malle, 1989 - 1990.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mymovies.it/dizionario/recensione.asp?id=14891
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards, gianluca. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> 
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?>] Per conto
> 
> di Kent Kinard
> 
> Inviato: luned? 18 gennaio 2010 2.24
> 
> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> 
> Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie - Rover al cinema
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Den,
> 
> I recommend "The Big Sleep", not the Bogart version but the remake
> 
> (1978) starring Robert Mitchum, Joan Collins, and Jimmy Stewart.  
> There are
> 
> several Rovers, including a P5B Coupe that gets shot up and burned and 
> a jam
> 
> sandwich P6B. Alvis, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Roverly,
> 
> Kent K.
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Gallacher wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if I have asked this before ( one of the joys of
> 
>> 'oltimersdisease' is meeting new friends every day) Our club is 
>> having
> 
>> a movie night soon. What movie would you recommend with old cars in. 
> 
>> The last time we had this show we watched the bank job which is about
> 
>> an actual bank robber from the 60s.
> 
>>
> 
>> Den Gallacher
> 
>>
> 
>>
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> 
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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 14:26:28 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:26:28 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>	<7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F416@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
	<4B55D0EC.3030107@clocksoft.com>
Message-ID: <45829762D4C54BAFB6061EB475679EA5@SN037535920331>

Sorry to be picky but 'The Gaffer'  was made from 1981 to 1983. There were 3 
series and a total of 20 episodes in all, starting Bill Maynard as Fred 
Moffat and it was made by Yorkshire TV.

As an incidental, the green and white bus at the beginning of the title 
sequence was a MCW bodied Atlantean. (West Yorkshire PTE Livery).

And I would also like to thank the man who gave us this superb comedy show. 
What a star.


Warmest Regards
Mark
Editor, The Rover P6 Club 




From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 14:27:39 2010
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:27:39 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net>	<ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local><4B53B813.3010903@att.net><7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C27008@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><8CC66709D8749B0-1BDC-7D8F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F412@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>	<7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301C56D52@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F416@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com><4B55D0EC.3030107@clocksoft.com>
	<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15720F424@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <6450ABC4FA7E4E1FAD30DECDA9259087@SN037535920331>

That'll teach me to read all the thread first, sorry to repeat you Stewart.



From DevlinS at bp.com  Tue Jan 19 14:31:17 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:31:17 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Car Movie - Rover al cinema
In-Reply-To: <6450ABC4FA7E4E1FAD30DECDA9259087@SN037535920331>
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	<6450ABC4FA7E4E1FAD30DECDA9259087@SN037535920331>
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No problem Mark, we are probably all guilty of doing the same thing.  I
will also pass on your kind remarks to Graham. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk
Sent: 19 January 2010 19:28
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Car Movie - Rover al
cinema

That'll teach me to read all the thread first, sorry to repeat you
Stewart.


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From den at aachenkennels.com  Tue Jan 19 17:40:08 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:40:08 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
References: <000001ca9725$af5ca930$0e15fb90$@ca>	<831341.50038.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6249C5C744A3CD4BAB36E65B67304F41020ACF27@EMAIL1C.MSJ.ORG><006b01ca97a5$cad19010$6074b030$@net><ql57l59lf2ke7dt410jgnq13rg9cokpbh5@4ax.com><73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081C03@Server.adoptsec.local>
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He Ben,
Any idea where I could get a copy?.
Thank you and all the others that sent in suggestions.

 Now I have to track DVDs.  One idea that has come from this is adding a
few Car movies to our club library for the4 members to hire.

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Ben Saunders
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 9:22 PM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie

Hi Den,
You might want to look up a movie called "Your Past is showing" with
Terry
Thomas, Peter Sellers and lots of others that has a P2 DHC in it.

Ben Saunders



From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Tue Jan 19 18:28:46 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:28:46 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car Movie
In-Reply-To: <06880E8C9EE2447E979E8B2F29C45086@SN037535920331>
References: <2ffca.4fef3623.3885edbf@aol.com>
	<65932.70253.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<06880E8C9EE2447E979E8B2F29C45086@SN037535920331>
Message-ID: <jjfcl59mjs1grdu3hs0mqbhkljigk2esjl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:16:10 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Eric
>Well seeing as you have your car on imcbd, I thought it was only fair to get mine on as well, so please check out
>http://www.imcdb.org/movie.php?id=1004510162  

While it is pretty comprehensive for the older models, there is not
much on Rover 75, called R40 on their data base. 

Missing many of the British crime and police shows like Wycliffe,
Midsomer Murders, Dalziel and Pascoe etc where the Chief Inspector
usually drove a 75.


Cheers,

Peter H


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 11:39:20 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 1
Message-ID: <30029.92968.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In an unprecedented move, I have been asked to send a test message to the ISP of a fellow subscriber.  I figured that I first had to sign up their security and abuse addresses as requested and *then* send them a test message.  Thanks goodness this doesn't happen all the time. This might not be the *only* message.

Eric


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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 12:06:30 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:06:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 2
Message-ID: <39962.9148.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This a test message for an ISP for one of our subscribers.

Eric
List Admin

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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 15:53:12 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:53:12 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 2
In-Reply-To: <39962.9148.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <39962.9148.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <982f148d1001201253u7a56406eh91584bec7b265a34@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Eric,
  I got your test.
Garrett Bourque
Jefferson, Maine

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This a test message for an ISP for one of our subscribers.
>
> Eric
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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 15:54:28 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 1
In-Reply-To: <30029.92968.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <30029.92968.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <982f148d1001201254y2d55dd88g80390c246d0983ad@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Eric,
  Response to test 1.  I got it.
Garrett Bourque

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> wrote:

> In an unprecedented move, I have been asked to send a test message to the
> ISP of a fellow subscriber.  I figured that I first had to sign up their
> security and abuse addresses as requested and *then* send them a test
> message.  Thanks goodness this doesn't happen all the time. This might not
> be the *only* message.
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> Eric
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 19:13:20 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:13:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 1
In-Reply-To: <982f148d1001201254y2d55dd88g80390c246d0983ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30029.92968.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<982f148d1001201254y2d55dd88g80390c246d0983ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <351095.88052.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Apparently, the ISP   ALSO got the message and would like to remain on the list while they check for any trouble receiving.  Hopefully, there will be a well-received technical question so that the ISP can see what we're about and not providers of SPAM (unless you are a Jaguar owner, perhaps :-)

Eric



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From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 12:54:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT test 1


Hello Eric,
  Response to test 1.  I got it.
Garrett Bourque


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> wrote:

In an unprecedented move, I have been asked to send a test message to the ISP of a fellow subscriber.  I figured that I first had to sign up their security and abuse addresses as requested and *then* send them a test message.  Thanks goodness this doesn't happen all the time. This might not be the *only* message.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 23:08:15 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Totally OT - The NA version of cute
	kangaroo pics
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From englishmn at verizon.net  Sat Jan 23 10:46:20 2010
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:46:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
Message-ID: <211579.97805.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hello there? lam looking for the Girling /lockheed parts #?? for brake system for the 1970 3500S master/servo/frt& rear calipers my books only list all for the 
2000 model thanks much pete
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From pjemail at aol.com  Sat Jan 23 10:49:51 2010
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:49:51 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
Message-ID: <1c96d.2d2edcd1.388c749f@aol.com>

Dear Pete,
 
I can supply a genuine new Rover parts catalogue for you car with all the  
part numbers you need and all the rest for the car. Contact me direct on 
_pjemail at aol.com_ (mailto:pjemail at aol.com)  for more details.
 
Regards,
 
Pierre Janusz
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From englishmn at verizon.net  Sat Jan 23 13:21:59 2010
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:21:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
Message-ID: <328245.22577.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hello all 
l have the rover 3500s parts catolog l need for instance the girling /lockneed #s
63-66 --2000?master kit is? SP2105
67-71--2000?master kit is?? SP2415

these are the #s l need for the 3500s rover cat #s do me know good 
the SP girling #s are what l need so to cross ref with other cars that are still 
in parts catologs over here in the states
so need the girling #s for 
master kit 
servo kit
for 1970 3500s nada dual line 
thanks much pete
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From pjemail at aol.com  Sat Jan 23 13:35:23 2010
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:35:23 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
Message-ID: <29905.70831fbd.388c9b6b@aol.com>

The original  Rover parts catalogue for the 3500S auto has all  the OE 
equipment numbers in it, so you should have the information  already.
 
Regards,
 
Pierre Janusz
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From dlachance at hemmings.com  Sat Jan 23 14:12:01 2010
From: dlachance at hemmings.com (David LaChance)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
References: <328245.22577.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C03601878B29@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com>

Hello Pete,

My 1981 Lucas Service manual shows the following service kit part numbers for the 1970-71 3500S:

Master cylinder: LSSB925
Servo: LSSB1069
Front calipers: SP2511
Rear calipers: SP2538

Hope this helps.

Dave LaChance
Williamstown, Massachusetts
1968 Rover 2000 TC


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca on behalf of peter & nancy
Sent: Sat 1/23/2010 1:21 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500s
 
hello all 
l have the rover 3500s parts catolog l need for instance the girling /lockneed #s
63-66 --2000?master kit is? SP2105
67-71--2000?master kit is?? SP2415

these are the #s l need for the 3500s rover cat #s do me know good 
the SP girling #s are what l need so to cross ref with other cars that are still 
in parts catologs over here in the states
so need the girling #s for 
master kit 
servo kit
for 1970 3500s nada dual line 
thanks much pete

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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 20:05:22 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:05:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
Message-ID: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greetings

I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British) seem to have it.

All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease

It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some time....

Thanks in advance,

Nathan 




      


From danenberg123 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 20:34:10 2010
From: danenberg123 at yahoo.com (Bo Danenberger)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:34:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <343117.20053.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nathan??? It's available off and on at ebay.? I have plenty....send me your address. I'll send you a tube.
Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
To: "NEW RovernetRovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:05 PM


Greetings

I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British) seem to have it.

All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease

It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some time....

Thanks in advance,

Nathan 




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From vern at inkspotco.com  Sat Jan 23 21:03:09 2010
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:03:09 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1AE0F9E-646C-483E-9721-C19BB3775AB3@inkspotco.com>

Two options, rubber grease or hydraulic assembly lube marked safe for brake systems. Any jobber should stock at least one of them. Failing that, just use new brake fluid and wipe up any that's left external to the seals.

I prefer the assembly lube myself, but the grease has its merits as well.

Yours
Vern
On 2010-01-23, at 5:05 PM, Nathan Obuch wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British) seem to have it.
> 
> All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:
> 
> http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease
> 
> It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some time....
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Nathan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 21:41:40 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:41:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <343117.20053.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <996236.9745.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bo,

Thanks so much! That's very generous. My work address is best to ship to. I have to admit that I'm slightly shocked that there's another Rover owner(?) in Illinois- the ownership seems clustered on the coasts. I towed mine back from Maine!


Nathan Obuch c/o
Path Electronics
1500 E. Algonquin Rd.
Arlington Heights, IL 60005


Nathan 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:34 PM
> Nathan??? It's
> available off and on at ebay.? I have plenty....send me
> your address. I'll send you a tube.
> Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch
> <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers
> (in the USA)
> To: "NEW RovernetRovernet"
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:05 PM
> 
> 
> Greetings
> 
> I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube
> their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember
> receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red
> rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years
> ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British)
> seem to have it.
> 
> All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:
> 
> http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease
> 
> It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart
> with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA
> and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear
> calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some
> time....
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Nathan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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> mode or no-mail:
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 22:11:40 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:11:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <424265.53408.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <918963.22727.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nathan,
I used to use PBR rubber grease (Australian brake parts makers).
Here's a contact in the USA. Use them to find a retailer in your area.

supply_enquiries at pbr.com.au

Eric



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----- Original Message ----
From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
To: NEW RovernetRovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 5:05:22 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)

Greetings

I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British) seem to have it.

All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease

It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some time....

Thanks in advance,

Nathan 




      

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From gbbourque at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:12:18 2010
From: gbbourque at gmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <996236.9745.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <343117.20053.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<996236.9745.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <982f148d1001231912x6e596b1t9b2a3fe9d16416cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Nathan,
   Oh Boy....towed back from Maine?  Out of curiousity, I have to please ask
where from, since I am from Maine!!  I hope that you like your car!!
   Speaking of long distance car moving stories, I have two 1960s Jaguar
SType sedans.  One came from Sausalito, California, truck shipped to Maine
as a project, and the other came from Boulder, Colorado where I used to live
and when leaving, drove back to Maine in it. They are icons of my youth, as
well as rock solid rust free cars from dry climates!
   My 1970 Rover 3500s was new in New York City and has now spent 2/3 of its
life in Maine.  It has remained pretty free from rust holes but before I
did its restoration, surface rust was a problem!
    I have a second 1970 Rover 3500S parts car that is for sale.  It is
very rust free and has a Georgia license plate on it from 1980.  It is not
at all complete, but would be a perfect bodyshell to do a restoration on.
Use a second car for needed parts and save hours of panel replacement due to
rust repair. I am asking $300.  The car rolls. I can be reached at:
gbbourque at gmail dot com
Sincerely,
Garrett Bourque

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bo,
>
> Thanks so much! That's very generous. My work address is best to ship to. I
> have to admit that I'm slightly shocked that there's another Rover owner(?)
> in Illinois- the ownership seems clustered on the coasts. I towed mine back
> from Maine!
>
>
> Nathan Obuch c/o
> Path Electronics
> 1500 E. Algonquin Rd.
> Arlington Heights, IL 60005
>
>
> Nathan
>
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the
> USA)
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca
> >
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:34 PM
> > Nathan    It's
> > available off and on at ebay.  I have plenty....send me
> > your address. I'll send you a tube.
> > Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch
> > <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers
> > (in the USA)
> > To: "NEW RovernetRovernet"
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:05 PM
> >
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube
> > their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember
> > receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red
> > rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years
> > ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British)
> > seem to have it.
> >
> > All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:
> >
> > http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease
> >
> > It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart
> > with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA
> > and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear
> > calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some
> > time....
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From danenberg123 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 13:35:24 2010
From: danenberg123 at yahoo.com (Bo Danenberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:35:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <996236.9745.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <137432.54944.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nathan.....Just posted your red grease off at the post.? Let me know if it arrives and I hope you put it to good use.? Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 8:41 PM


Bo,

Thanks so much! That's very generous. My work address is best to ship to. I have to admit that I'm slightly shocked that there's another Rover owner(?) in Illinois- the ownership seems clustered on the coasts. I towed mine back from Maine!


Nathan Obuch c/o
Path Electronics
1500 E. Algonquin Rd.
Arlington Heights, IL 60005


Nathan 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:34 PM
> Nathan??? It's
> available off and on at ebay.? I have plenty....send me
> your address. I'll send you a tube.
> Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch
> <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers
> (in the USA)
> To: "NEW RovernetRovernet"
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:05 PM
> 
> 
> Greetings
> 
> I was wondering what (if anything) people used to lube
> their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember
> receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?) red
> rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some years
> ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria British)
> seem to have it.
> 
> All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:
> 
> http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease
> 
> It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry wart
> with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol LMA
> and not eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear
> calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them for some
> time....
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Nathan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 17:52:01 2010
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
In-Reply-To: <137432.54944.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <392649.19872.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much, Bo. Even _former_ Rover owners are true gentlemen. What sort of collector cars do you have nowadays? Perhaps I have or can find some vintage magazine or ad you might enjoy which ties into your current collection as a little token of thanks. 

Nathan 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease suppliers (in the USA)
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:35 PM
> Nathan.....Just posted your red grease
> off at the post.? Let me know if it arrives and I hope
> you put it to good use.? Bo Danenberger, Danvers,
> Illinois 
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch
> <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease
> suppliers (in the USA)
> To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 8:41 PM
> 
> 
> Bo,
> 
> Thanks so much! That's very generous. My work address
> is best to ship to. I have to admit that I'm slightly
> shocked that there's another Rover owner(?) in Illinois-
> the ownership seems clustered on the coasts. I towed mine
> back from Maine!
> 
> 
> Nathan Obuch c/o
> Path Electronics
> 1500 E. Algonquin Rd.
> Arlington Heights, IL 60005
> 
> 
> Nathan 
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Bo Danenberger <danenberg123 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease
> suppliers (in the USA)
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:34 PM
> > Nathan??? It's
> > available off and on at ebay.? I have
> plenty....send me
> > your address. I'll send you a tube.
> > Bo Danenberger, Danvers, Illinois
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Nathan Obuch
> > <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake grease
> suppliers
> > (in the USA)
> > To: "NEW RovernetRovernet"
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:05 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > I was wondering what (if anything) people used to
> lube
> > their brake hydraulic parts on reassembly. I remember
> > receiving a packet of Lockheed (or was it Girling?)
> red
> > rubber grease with a master cylinder seal kit some
> years
> > ago. None of the big parts guys (Moss, Victoria
> British)
> > seem to have it.
> > 
> > All I can find nowadays is this stuff from Penrite:
> > 
> > http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/greases/rubber_grease
> > 
> > It looks like it would work OK, but I'm a worry
> wart
> > with brake systems- will this will mix OK with Castrol
> LMA
> > and not
>  eat up my seals? I'm rebuilding some rear
> > calipers and will probably not be reinstalling them
> for some
> > time....
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Nathan 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > 
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Tue Jan 26 18:21:22 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch@yahoo.com>'s message of Mon, 25 Jan
	2010 14:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Albert



From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 26 19:30:14 2010
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for
	Leather	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch@yahoo.com>'s message of Mon, 25 Jan
Message-ID: <COL114-W57CDD8A88B6DF533522F6BDE5D0@phx.gbl>



 Hi Albert...I hope your new year is off to a fantastic start :)

 There are several good products for leather on the market ...my personal choice is sold under the brand name "Mothers"

 

 
> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0800
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats
> 
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Albert
> 
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 19:51:32 2010
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:51:32 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W57CDD8A88B6DF533522F6BDE5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <nathanobuch@yahoo.com>
	<1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
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Message-ID: <204ec4391001261651s12ecb093tf366cbba87cf68aa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Albert

My favourite is Renapur - though I haven't seen it available very
often  in California, I occasionally convince someone to send a care
package over the Atlantic with a tub included. A small tub goes a long
way.

There are several leather conditioners that SWMBO uses for her tack
that have been pressed into service with excellent results - Passier
"Lederbalsam" is good stuff. Tack shops are a good place to go to find
leather care products - horse people are often even fussier about
their leather than car owners

If the leather is cracking and/or drying neatsfoot oil is the
traditional remedy, though it does tend to make some lighter shades go
darker over time, though that's not a rea proble with black leather

For general cleaning between treatments Murphy's oil soap is excellent

Aidrian

>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Albert


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 20:13:12 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <262426.67722.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Albert,
When I first started with Rovers and Rover seats, the first product recommended to me was "Hide Food".

Turns out it was Connolly Leather's "Hide Care"
http://www.goodspeedmotoring.com/connolly.html

Seemed hard to get on and into the seat unless the seats were warmed. It seemed like pure lanolin to me.

In the next stage of my restoration "career", I dropped by a local shoe repair expert, who turned out to be Dutch, and whose father owned a shoe factory in Europe.
He recommended "Neats Foot Oil <http://www.neatsfootoil.com/neats.htm> if I could remove the leather seat cover from the squab and get to the back of the leather that was untreated. Now THAT was a nuisance. His point was that the top surface of the leather was stained and then sealed to prevent leaching of the colour onto clothing.  He maintained that the penetration of the leather with a re-conditioner was best achieved from the back where sealing had not been used.

He used and recommended Lexol:
Lexol
http://www.lexol.com/

More recently, I decided to restore a set of brown seats. I removed the seat covers from both front seat squabs and soaked them each in Lexol.  The sucked up about 1/2 Litre or so each of Lexol.  I then soaked the top covers in Lexol by repeated spraying in a warm environment. That used up another 1/2 litre or so of Lexol.

Eric


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----- Original Message ----
From: Albert Boasberg <ABoasberg at webtv.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 3:21:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats

Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Albert


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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 00:34:02 2010
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:34:02 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for
	Leather	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <1240-4B5F78F2-4149@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch@yahoo.com>'s message of Mon, 25 Jan
Message-ID: <BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl>


Visit your local horseriding/saddlery store - they will have leather cleaning and care products to show you that they have to sell to some very choosy customers.

 

My person favourite product = Effax Lederbalsam - a wonderful product containing lanolin, avocado and beeswax.  Totally effective and a delight to use.

 

The crucial thing is to clean the leather before applying any treatment, AutoGlym Leather Cleaner is excellent.  [Too many folk seem to slap on leather treatment products - like Connolly's Hide Food [another good 'un] - without cleaning first and then wonder why they get indifferent results.

 

Be chary of Neatsfoot Oil - it has a nasty tendency to rot stitching.  

 

AutoGlym's Leather Treatment is good for excellent condition leather but a bit mouse-milky for a heavy weight resto job.

 

If the leather's very dried out and the stitching is in a bad way, you want to think about removing the covers completely, hitting them from behind with heavy doses of leather restorer and then renewing the stitching.

 


 
> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0800
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats
> 
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Albert
> 
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From phing at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 27 12:21:22 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners
 for	Leather	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl>
References: 25 Jan <BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601ca9f75$260d3430$72279c90$@ca>

Hi 

 I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my P3
.First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years worth of
gunk .I then fed the leather with - Vaseline - . I massaged two big tubs of
Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period of about a month,
applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline into the surface. The
leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to become soft and flexible with a
nice sheen . Did some one mention a baby's bottom???

The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .

 Cheers 

 Patrick  

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Richard Sharpe
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:34 AM
To: rover net
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
Car Seats

 

Visit your local horseriding/saddlery store - they will have leather
cleaning and care products to show you that they have to sell to some very
choosy customers.
 
My person favourite product = Effax Lederbalsam - a wonderful product
containing lanolin, avocado and beeswax.  Totally effective and a delight to
use.
 
The crucial thing is to clean the leather before applying any treatment,
AutoGlym Leather Cleaner is excellent.  [Too many folk seem to slap on
leather treatment products - like Connolly's Hide Food [another good 'un] -
without cleaning first and then wonder why they get indifferent results.
 
Be chary of Neatsfoot Oil - it has a nasty tendency to rot stitching.  
 
AutoGlym's Leather Treatment is good for excellent condition leather but a
bit mouse-milky for a heavy weight resto job.
 
If the leather's very dried out and the stitching is in a bad way, you want
to think about removing the covers completely, hitting them from behind with
heavy doses of leather restorer and then renewing the stitching.
 

 
> From: ABoasberg at webtv.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0800
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
Car Seats
> 
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Albert
> 
> 
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From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 12:28:58 2010
From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:28:58 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car
	Seats
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I've been using Lexol on leather seats for many years and highly recommend
it.  Apply with bare hands, rub until it is absorbed then wipe with soft
cloth.  I refrain from commenting on the sensuality of the process.  They
have a cleaner too.  Find it at any place that has horsey stuff.  

Regards,
Gross Scruggs
Annapolis MD



From rovercar at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 16:41:11 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:41:11 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for	Leather
 Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <000601ca9f75$260d3430$72279c90$@ca>
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>  I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my 
> P3 .First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years 
> worth of gunk .I then fed the leather with -- Vaseline - . I massaged 
> two big tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period 
> of about a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline 
> into the surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to 
> become soft and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one mention a 
> baby's bottom???
>
> The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Patrick  
>
>  
>

Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide 
food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...

Glen
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From derekrockford at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 17:49:43 2010
From: derekrockford at hotmail.com (Derek Rockford)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:49:43 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for	Leather
	Car Seats
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Glen Wrote:

"Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...

"Sounds like someone's knocking.  It's actually been used before for just that before. I know a guy that's used it on his old Bentley.
I've questioned using it on Hands myself because it is a Petroleum product, because of the carcinogen effect, if it's so.
I don't think the Leather will develop any issues. I've seen Leather restored and re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my Hands though.

I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because it says Hide Food, it's not much of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over applied. Great 
for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if Vaseline works on the brittle Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide Food will get You nowhere
once the Leather has deteriorated to that extent.

Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...
Derek



From: Glen Wilson 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats


Patrick Hiron wrote: 
  Hi 

   I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my P3 .First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years worth of gunk .I then fed the leather with - Vaseline - . I massaged two big tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period of about a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline into the surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to become soft and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one mention a baby's bottom???

  The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .

   Cheers 

   Patrick  

   


Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...

Glen

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From den at aachenkennels.com  Wed Jan 27 18:59:33 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:59:33 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners
	for	LeatherCar Seats
References: 25
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Morning Chaps,

Found this topic interesting.

 More so as I have a 36 Rover Streamline that has spent the past 45
years ether at the back of a workshop or under a tarp which is not the
best way to preserve it.

 

The leather seats are for the most part in good order with lovely patina
and creases. The stuffing is stuffed and will need replacing and most of
the leather looks on the face of it to be fine. However I've been told
that the problem is where they stitch the leather once its put back and
under strain ( okay I am a bit over weight ) it will come apart along
the dotted line, much like a postage stamp.  

 

Wanting to retain as much as I can I have been doing the Google thing
plus phoning UK and around. Did you know there is a leather preservation
society in the UK? One surprising bit of info I found out is Motor bike
shops have lots of knowledge on the repair and mend due to the jackets
and leather the riders wear!!!.  

 

After all that the best advice I received was from the chap at Liquid
leather or Glipton,  ( http://www.liquidleather.com )   I never thought
that someone would have such a passion for leather as that chaps has,(
well outside one of those ladies entertainment places I mean, not that I
know what they do inside with those red leather garments as I've never
been in one,,,,well only the once and that was in Germany...Okay a few
time but I was doing research on what ones to recommend to the new lads
sent to our regiment...).

 

Back to Leather care as said this bloke is very passionate about what he
does and would be one of the most helpful of people you could speak to.
I told him what I wanted he like others on the list, said that the best
thing would be to strip the covers of and treat from the back using a
small soft brush to apply his special brew, repeat this  until I have
run out. Got nothing to lose I guess so will start next week.

 

Den. Gallacher

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From phing at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 27 23:38:59 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:38:59 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners
 for	Leather	Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS7A291A657CF4CE8529F62B85D0@phx.gbl>
References: 25 Jan <BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl>
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Glen

 Where do you think all the high priced leather treatments come from ?? They
are all derived from  petrochemicals. I would have thought Vaseline was the
proven preservative of the most sensitive hides on the planet. 

 Derek I don't think you need to worry about the carcinogenic potential of
Vaseline . It's been used on  millions of baby's bottoms over the last   100
years . I'm sure some one would have noticed by now. 

Patrick 

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Derek Rockford
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:50 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
Car Seats

 

Glen Wrote:

 

"Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide
food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...

 

"Sounds like someone's knocking.  It's actually been used before for just
that before. I know a guy that's used it on his old Bentley.

I've questioned using it on Hands myself because it is a Petroleum product,
because of the carcinogen effect, if it's so.

I don't think the Leather will develop any issues.Smile emoticon I've seen
Leather restored and re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my Hands
though.

 

I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because it says Hide Food, it's not much
of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over applied. Great 

for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if Vaseline works on the brittle
Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide Food will get You nowhere

once the Leather has deteriorated to that extent.

 

Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...

Derek

 

 

From: Glen Wilson <mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM

To: The <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>  original list for Rover car
enthusiasts. 

Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
Car Seats

 

Patrick Hiron wrote: 

Hi 

 I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my P3
.First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years worth of
gunk .I then fed the leather with - Vaseline - . I massaged two big tubs of
Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period of about a month,
applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline into the surface. The
leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to become soft and flexible with a
nice sheen . Did some one mention a baby's bottom???

The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .

 Cheers 

 Patrick  

 


Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide
food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...

Glen

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 00:06:39 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for	Leather
 Car Seats
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS7A291A657CF4CE8529F62B85D0@phx.gbl>
References: 25
	Jan	<BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl><000601ca9f75$260d3430$72279c90$@ca>	<4B60B2F7.5070105@comcast.net>
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Derek Rockford wrote:
> Glen Wrote:
>  
> "Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a 
> hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
>  
> "Sounds like someone's knocking. 

I'm really not knocking it, Derek. Just pointed that out for all of the 
guys who wax on about leather upholstery being a living, breathing 
thing. What I doubt is that you can go back to some sort of hide food 
once you have saturated the leather with a petroleum product. At the 
same time, I'll say that there are plenty of expensive products out 
there that do very little to soften up old leather, even if you use 
their recommended cleaning process before application.

Also, I never criticize Patrick because he can be a really mean SOB when 
you brush his fur the wrong way. Don't believe all that you hear about 
Canadians all being polite and well-mannered.

;-)

Glen


> It's actually been used before for just that before. I know a guy 
> that's used it on his old Bentley.
> I've questioned using it on Hands myself because it is a Petroleum 
> product, because of the carcinogen effect, if it's so.
> I don't think the Leather will develop any issues.Smile emoticon I've 
> seen Leather restored and re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my 
> Hands though.
>  
> I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because it says Hide Food, it's 
> not much of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over applied. Great
> for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if Vaseline works on the 
> brittle Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide Food will get You nowhere
> once the Leather has deteriorated to that extent.
>  
> Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...
> Derek
>  
>
> *From:* Glen Wilson <mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
> <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for 
> Leather Car Seats
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>  I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in 
>> my P3 .First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many 
>> years worth of gunk .I then fed the leather with -- Vaseline - . I 
>> massaged two big tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over 
>> a period of about a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the 
>> Vaseline into the surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no 
>> time, to become soft and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one 
>> mention a baby's bottom???
>>
>> The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .
>>
>>  Cheers
>>
>>  Patrick  
>>
>>  
>>
>
> Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a 
> hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
>
> Glen
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 00:14:18 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for	Leather
 Car Seats
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Glen
>
>  Where do you think all the high priced leather treatments come from 
> ?? They are all derived from  petrochemicals. I would have thought 
> Vaseline was the  proven preservative of the most sensitive hides on 
> the planet.
>
>  Derek I don't think you need to worry about the carcinogenic 
> potential of Vaseline . It's been used on  millions of baby's bottoms 
> over the last   100 years . I'm sure some one would have noticed by now.
>
> Patrick
>
>  
>
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of *Derek Rockford
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:50 PM
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for 
> Leather Car Seats
>
>  
>
> Glen Wrote:
>
>  
>
> "Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a 
> hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
>
>  
>
> "Sounds like someone's knocking.  It's actually been used before for 
> just that before. I know a guy that's used it on his old Bentley.
>
> I've questioned using it on Hands myself because it is a Petroleum 
> product, because of the carcinogen effect, if it's so.
>
> I don't think the Leather will develop any issues.Smile emoticon I've 
> seen Leather restored and re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my 
> Hands though.
>
>  
>
> I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because it says Hide Food, it's 
> not much of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over applied. Great
>
> for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if Vaseline works on the 
> brittle Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide Food will get You nowhere
>
> once the Leather has deteriorated to that extent.
>
>  
>
> Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...
>
> Derek
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Glen Wilson <mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM
>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
> <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for 
> Leather Car Seats
>
>  
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>  I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my 
> P3 .First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years 
> worth of gunk .I then fed the leather with -- Vaseline - . I massaged 
> two big tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period 
> of about a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline 
> into the surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to 
> become soft and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one mention a 
> baby's bottom???
>
> The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Patrick  
>
>  
>

There, Derek! See how mean he can be? Right away he's onto babies 
bottoms and things like that.

;-)

Of course there's Bag Balm which was originally for cows' udders. People 
used it for everything. It's still on the market, but I think they've 
taken the lead and mercury out of it, now. Probably not as effective as 
it used to be. Did you know that they used to use asbestos in cigarette 
filters? Some guy once did me a favor by removing the asbestos from the 
heat shield under the carbs in my '66 Midget. Took me a little while to 
figure out why I had vapor lock issues.

Glen

>
> Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a 
> hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
>
> Glen
>
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 01:28:38 2010
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:28:38 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or
	Conditioners	for	LeatherCar Seats
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!00% - the only way I've found to treat really dried out leather in the circumstances you describe is take the seats apart and hit the leather from the underside.
 


Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:59:33 +0900
From: den at aachenkennels.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for LeatherCar Seats





Morning Chaps,
Found this topic interesting.
 More so as I have a 36 Rover Streamline that has spent the past 45 years ether at the back of a workshop or under a tarp which is not the best way to preserve it.
 
The leather seats are for the most part in good order with lovely patina and creases. The stuffing is stuffed and will need replacing and most of the leather looks on the face of it to be fine. However I?ve been told that the problem is where they stitch the leather once its put back and under strain ( okay I am a bit over weight ) it will come apart along the dotted line, much like a postage stamp.  
 
Wanting to retain as much as I can I have been doing the Google thing plus phoning UK and around. Did you know there is a leather preservation society in the UK? One surprising bit of info I found out is Motor bike shops have lots of knowledge on the repair and mend due to the jackets and leather the riders wear!!!.  
 
After all that the best advice I received was from the chap at Liquid leather or Glipton,  ( http://www.liquidleather.com )   I never thought that someone would have such a passion for leather as that chaps has,( well outside one of those ladies entertainment places I mean, not that I know what they do inside with those red leather garments as I?ve never been in one,,,,well only the once and that was in Germany...Okay a few time but I was doing research on what ones to recommend to the new lads sent to our regiment...).
 
Back to Leather care as said this bloke is very passionate about what he does and would be one of the most helpful of people you could speak to.  I told him what I wanted he like others on the list, said that the best thing would be to strip the covers of and treat from the back using a small soft brush to apply his special brew, repeat this  until I have run out. Got nothing to lose I guess so will start next week.
 
Den. Gallacher 		 	   		  
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 02:11:48 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:11:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather
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Boys,...... boys.......

Sheep do well with Lanolin. Try a lanolin based product if you'd like to go "Green"....  :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

Eric



 "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)




________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 9:06:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats

 Derek Rockford wrote: 
>  
> 
>Glen Wrote:
> 
>"Not knocking
>your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide food, is
>it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
> 
>"Sounds
>like someone's knocking.  
I'm really not knocking it, Derek. Just pointed that out for all of the
guys who wax on about leather upholstery being a living, breathing
thing. What I doubt is that you can go back to some sort of hide food
once you have saturated the leather with a petroleum product. At the
same time, I'll say that there are plenty of expensive products out
there that do very little to soften up old leather, even if you use
their recommended cleaning process before application.

Also, I never criticize Patrick because he can be a really mean SOB
when you brush his fur the wrong way. Don't believe all that you hear
about Canadians all being polite and well-mannered.

;-)

Glen



It's actually been used before for just that
>before. I know a guy that's used it on his old Bentley.
>I've questioned using it on Hands myself
>because it is a Petroleum product, because of the carcinogen effect, if
>it's so.
>I don't think the Leather will develop any
>issues. I've seen Leather restored and
>re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my Hands though.
> 
>I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because
>it says Hide Food, it's not much of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over
>applied. Great 
>for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if
>Vaseline works on the brittle Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide
>Food will get You nowhere
>once the Leather has deteriorated to that
>extent.
> 
>Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...
>Derek
> 
>
>
>From: Glen Wilson 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM
>To: The original list for Rover car
>enthusiasts. 
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or
>Conditioners for Leather Car Seats
>
>
>Patrick Hiron wrote:
> 
>>>   
>>Hi
>> 
>> I
>>found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my P3
>>.First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years worth
>>of gunk .I then fed the leather with ? Vaseline - . I massaged two big
>>tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period of about
>>a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline into the
>>surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to become soft
>>and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one mention a baby?s bottom???
>>The
>>results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>>Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a
>hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
>
>>Glen
>
>
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net  Thu Jan 28 02:42:35 2010
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:42:35 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] leather
Message-ID: <4B613FEB.6040607@usachoice.net>

See www.leatherique.com
I did an XJ6 that looked like well done bacon, hard as a stone, and the 
only place that didn't come out like new was the top of the rear seats 
where it was already bacon crumbles. Soaked it and let it sit in the sun 
for a couple of weeks, reapplying every time it all disappeared. Later 
did some TF seats, and they came out the same, so I did my couch and 
boots and motorcycle jacket.
They also do dyes, crack fillers, etc , as well as oils. Good enough for 
the Smithsonian, Ford Museum, Harrah's, and the RROC.
I found them most helpful on the phone, and got a significant price 
break for buying several quarts.

FRM


From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net  Thu Jan 28 02:45:56 2010
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] leather 2
Message-ID: <4B6140B4.1000000@usachoice.net>

And you do not try to clean the leather until AFTER you get it oiled and 
soft, else you force the dirt inwards. The oil brings the crap to the 
surface and gets cleaned off later.

FRM


From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Thu Jan 28 04:28:05 2010
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:28:05 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Creams or Conditioners for LeatherCar
	Seats
In-Reply-To: <455565.36751.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: 25
	Jan<BAY120-W13C5095B3D75E94FE1BBD3B85D0@phx.gbl><000601ca9f75$260d3430$72279c90$@ca><4B60B2F7.5070105@comcast.net><BLU146-DS7A291A657CF4CE8529F62B85D0@phx.gbl><4B611B5F.5000401@comcast.net>
	<455565.36751.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7EA0B53FA850DC43BE282D0A8AC85BE301CDD6E3@E30IYLM1.risorse.enel>

Good solution.
Personally I clean the seats with a cloth damped in water, I dry them with another cloth, then I use crema Nivea ( skin cream ) from the blue bottle.
A lot of friends - Registro friends I mean - do the same.
 
A bottle is more or less 6 euros, and it lasts for years.
 
best regards, Gianluca.

________________________________

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Eric Russell
Inviato: gioved? 28 gennaio 2010 8.12
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for LeatherCar Seats


Boys,...... boys.......

Sheep do well with Lanolin. Try a lanolin based product if you'd like to go "Green"....  :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

Eric



 
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 


________________________________

From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 9:06:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats


Derek Rockford wrote: 

	Glen Wrote:
	 
	"Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
	 
	"Sounds like someone's knocking.  


I'm really not knocking it, Derek. Just pointed that out for all of the guys who wax on about leather upholstery being a living, breathing thing. What I doubt is that you can go back to some sort of hide food once you have saturated the leather with a petroleum product. At the same time, I'll say that there are plenty of expensive products out there that do very little to soften up old leather, even if you use their recommended cleaning process before application.

Also, I never criticize Patrick because he can be a really mean SOB when you brush his fur the wrong way. Don't believe all that you hear about Canadians all being polite and well-mannered.

;-)

Glen




	It's actually been used before for just that before. I know a guy that's used it on his old Bentley.
	I've questioned using it on Hands myself because it is a Petroleum product, because of the carcinogen effect, if it's so.
	I don't think the Leather will develop any issues.Smile emoticon I've seen Leather restored and re-Lacquered etc. I wouldn't do that to my Hands though.
	 
	I use Connelly's Hide Food and just because it says Hide Food, it's not much of one. Waxy, Sticky when dry if over applied. Great 
	for Leather that's in great shape. I'd say if Vaseline works on the brittle Leather, there's nothing to lose. Hide Food will get You nowhere
	once the Leather has deteriorated to that extent.
	 
	Goin back to my Hole in the Ground...
	Derek
	 

	From: Glen Wilson <mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>  
	Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:41 PM
	To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>  
	Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Creams or Conditioners for Leather Car Seats

	Patrick Hiron wrote: 

		Hi 

		 I found a low cost way to revive the acres of dried out leather in my P3 .First  I cleaned it all with Lexol cleaner , removing many years worth of gunk .I then fed the leather with - Vaseline - . I massaged two big tubs of Vaseline into the leather and stitching over a period of about a month, applying  thin coats , gently rubbing  the Vaseline into the surface. The leather absorbed the Vaseline in no time, to become soft and flexible with a nice sheen . Did some one mention a baby's bottom???

		The results were excellent and the cost was  minimal .

		 Cheers 

		 Patrick  

		 


	Not knocking your technique, Patrick, but Vaseline is not exactly a hide food, is it?  Comes out of a hole in the ground, you know...
	
	Glen
	
	
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From phing at videotron.ca  Thu Jan 28 23:43:02 2010
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:43:02 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
Message-ID: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>

Glen 

I'm really not sure why you should consider me to be " A really mean SOB, an
impolite ill mannered furry Canadian " I am , in reality, a sensitive soul
who has

 always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.

I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before
letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .

Patrick 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 03:33:09 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:33:09 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
In-Reply-To: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
Message-ID: <4B629D45.4070908@comcast.net>

Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Glen
>
> I'm really not sure why you should consider me to be " A really mean 
> SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian " I am , in reality, a 
> sensitive soul who has
>
>  always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.
>
> I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before 
> letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .
>
> Patrick
>

In all fairness, Patrick, I never said you were furry!

;-)

GLen
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 03:42:59 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:42:59 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Patrick
Message-ID: <4B629F93.2070203@comcast.net>

Patrick,

Since I noted no smilies in your reply, I hope you didn't take my 
comments seriously. One of my odd tendencies in humor is to go the route 
of irony and hyperbole. Therefore, refer to someone we all know as a 
very nice and well-mannered person as a mean, nasty SOB. Then I add 
smilies and assume people know I am kidding because the statement is so 
outrageous. It's meant as playful banter inviting similarly ridiculous 
retorts. If I caught you off guard and offended you, I sincerely 
apologize. You are one of my oldest friends on the internet, and I value 
that friendship highly.

Glen


From ve7axq at shaw.ca  Fri Jan 29 03:46:23 2010
From: ve7axq at shaw.ca (rick mellenger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:46:23 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
In-Reply-To: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
Message-ID: <000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>

Just to change the subject a little..lol. what is the favoured SPARK PLUGS.
For a 1973  P6 2000TC. With 10 t0 1 compression, and 100 octane fuel.. I
recently picked up this car. And my 1st rover. It has only 13,000 miles on
it, and has  AC DELCO  R42XLS. In stalled now,   Should I get them out and
use  CHAMPOINS N6Y, s like is recommended?? Would appreciate any help here. 

Oh this is my 1st post..

Now returning the forum back to the previously scheduled battle.. hehe.

 Bad RICK. 

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:43 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language

 

Glen 

I'm really not sure why you should consider me to be " A really mean SOB, an
impolite ill mannered furry Canadian " I am , in reality, a sensitive soul
who has

 always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.

I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before
letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .

Patrick 

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From rovercar at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:28:48 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:28:48 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] SPARK PLUGS  For a 1973  P6 2000TC
In-Reply-To: <000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
	<000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
Message-ID: <4B6328E0.8030308@comcast.net>

Helpin' you out with the subject line, Rick.

Glen

> Just to change the subject a little..lol. what is the favoured SPARK 
> PLUGS.  For a 1973  P6 2000TC. With 10 t0 1 compression, and 100 
> octane fuel.. I recently picked up this car. And my 1^st rover. It has 
> only 13,000 miles on it, and has  AC DELCO  R42XLS. In stalled now, 
>   Should I get them out and use  CHAMPOINS N6Y, s like is 
> recommended?? Would appreciate any help here.
>
> Oh this is my 1^st post..
>
> Now returning the forum back to the previously scheduled battle.. hehe.
>
>  Bad RICK.
>
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From jLewis at wsscwater.com  Fri Jan 29 13:36:10 2010
From: jLewis at wsscwater.com (Lewis, Joseph (Michael))
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:36:10 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
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References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca> <4B629D45.4070908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1A1EBE4A9FAEEB42911D577E08CA7922098A938F@COB-EXV-01.wssc.ad.root>

Wow Glen. Still pissin people off worldwide huh?

 

Last time it was Australia wasn't it?

 

 

J. Michael Lewis

 

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:33 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language

 

Patrick Hiron wrote: 

Glen 

I'm really not sure why you should consider me to be " A really mean
SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian " I am , in reality, a
sensitive soul who has

 always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.

I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before
letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .

Patrick 


In all fairness, Patrick, I never said you were furry!

;-)

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:56:30 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:56:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
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Message-ID: <1013837786.619711264791390619.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



I thought that Patrick handled it very well, when he stated that he gave Glen's posts "all" the respect that they deserved. Very subtle! 



Slats? 

: - ) 

?? 
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From: "Joseph Lewis (Michael)" <jLewis at wsscwater.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:36:10 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language 




Wow Glen. Still pissin people off worldwide huh? 



Last time it was Australia wasn?t it? 






J. Michael Lewis 




From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Glen Wilson 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:33 AM 
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language 



Patrick Hiron wrote: 

Glen 

I?m really not sure why you should consider me to be ? A really mean SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian ? I am , in reality, a sensitive soul who has 

?always treated your posts with the ?respect they deserve. 

I trust ?that in future you will remember to engage your brain before letting your fingers run riot over the key board ?. 

Patrick 


In all fairness, Patrick, I never said you were furry! 

;-) 

GLen 
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 13:58:12 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
In-Reply-To: <000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
	<000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
Message-ID: <915457.87690.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick,
On the bottom of each page is a link to archived messages.
If you click on the link to the Old Archives, they can be more easily searched. They will return hits for "Spark Plugs" or "Spark Plugs 1973". You then hve to click on the hotlinks provided to read what was said on the subject.

On the bottom of each message is a hotlink to the info page which permits you to the archive of messages connected with the current version of the Rovernet. You must select a month and "Subject" to get to a listing of topics. I?would suggest starting with "January 2010" where James, Paul, and a few other folk had some views on the?subject. You may have to enter your email address as registered with the Rovernet.

In the course of research on the archives you will discover the importance of getting the subject line right in replies as useful information is unfortunately buried in messages with inaccurate Subject lines. When a person clicks on "Reply", the writer has a chance to change the subject line.

The Rovernet scene is a bit like a Bitish pub with banter back and forth. Similarly, after a few drinks some people say things which annoy other people for some reason or other and a brief action and reaction occurs. Not that anyone has to be drinking to annoy someone? :-) Usually, most people notice when things are going sideways and will drop the subject and the Rovernet returns to normal.

Eric



?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 




________________________________
From: rick mellenger <ve7axq at shaw.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 12:46:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language


Just to change the subject a little..lol. what is the favoured SPARK PLUGS.? For a 1973? P6 2000TC. With 10 t0 1 compression, and 100 octane fuel.. I recently picked up this car. And my 1st rover. It has only 13,000 miles on it, and has? AC DELCO ?R42XLS. In stalled now, ??Should I get them out and use? CHAMPOINS N6Y, s like is recommended?? Would appreciate any help here. 
Oh this is my 1st post..
Now returning the forum back to the previously scheduled battle.. hehe.
?Bad RICK. 
?
From:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:43 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
?
Glen 
I?m really not sure why you should consider me to be ? A really mean SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian ? I am , in reality, a sensitive soul who has
?always treated your posts with the ?respect they deserve.
I trust ?that in future you will remember to engage your brain before letting your fingers run riot over the key board ?.
Patrick 


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From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 14:28:42 2010
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:28:42 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC spark plugs
In-Reply-To: <000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>,
	<000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
Message-ID: <SNT134-w39B25B237B9CD6E886DCB6B05B0@phx.gbl>


Hi Rick,


Not sure if Canada has the same grade of octane for 'premium fuel' as the US. I think the Rover spec for the 10:1 2000TC engine on S1 cars was Champion N6Y, but later cars ran N9Y. I had a problem with fowling on my 68 TC running 6's but changed to the hotter 9s. Seem to run much better with them. Any other thoughts on them folks?
Cheers,
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 17:27:02 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:27:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Use of the Archives to do Rover Topic
	Research
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References: <000001caa09d$8ab09b60$a011d220$@ca>
	<000c01caa0bf$89368610$9ba39230$@ca>
	<915457.87690.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <186246.41384.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I thought I would redo this message subject.
Eric

"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)



________________________________


Rick,
On the bottom of each page is a link to archived messages.
If you click on the link to the Old Archives, they can be more easily searched. They will return hits for "Spark Plugs" or "Spark Plugs 1973". You then have to click on the hotlinks provided to read what was said on the subject.
 
On the bottom of each message is a hotlink to the info page which permits you to the archive of messages connected with the current version of the Rovernet. You must select a month and "Subject" to get to a listing of topics. I would suggest starting with "January 2010" where James, Paul, and a few other folk had some views on the subject. You may have to enter your email address as registered with the Rovernet.
 
In the course of research on the archives you will discover the importance of getting the subject line right in replies as useful information is unfortunately buried in messages with inaccurate Subject lines. When a person clicks on "Reply", the writer has a chance to change the subject line.
 
The Rovernet scene is a bit like a Bitish pub with banter back and forth. Similarly, after a few drinks some people say things which annoy other people for some reason or other and a brief action and reaction occurs. Not that anyone has to be drinking to annoy someone  :-) Usually, most people notice when things are going sideways and will drop the subject and the Rovernet returns to normal.
 
Eric
 
 

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________________________________
 From: rick mellenger <ve7axq at shaw.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 12:46:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language

 
Just to change the subject a little..lol. what is the favoured SPARK PLUGS.  For a 1973  P6 2000TC. With 10 t0 1 compression, and 100 octane fuel.. I recently picked up this car. And my 1st rover. It has only 13,000 miles on it, and has  AC DELCO  R42XLS. In stalled now,   Should I get them out and use  CHAMPOINS N6Y, s like is recommended?? Would appreciate any help here. 
Oh this is my 1st post..
Now returning the forum back to the previously scheduled battle.. hehe.
 Bad RICK. 
 
From:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:43 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
 
Glen 
I?m really not sure why you should consider me to be ? A really mean SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian ? I am , in reality, a sensitive soul who has
 always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.
I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .
Patrick 
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From rovercar at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 20:14:43 2010
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
In-Reply-To: <1013837786.619711264791390619.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1013837786.619711264791390619.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B638803.9060305@comcast.net>

slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> I thought that Patrick handled it very well, when he stated that he 
> gave Glen's posts "all" the respect that they deserved. Very subtle!
>
>  
>
> Slats 
>
> *: - )*
>
>  
>
I resemble that remark! Nyuhk!

I think that once Patrick realizes that I did not, in fact, call him 
"furry" he will settle down.

Even YOU, Slats, I have never called "furry."

Glen







> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lewis (Michael)" <jLewis at wsscwater.com>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:36:10 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
>
> Wow Glen. Still pissin people off worldwide huh?
>
>  
>
> Last time it was Australia wasn?t it?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> **/J. Michael Lewis/**
>
>  
>
> *From:* rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] *On Behalf Of *Glen Wilson
> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 3:33 AM
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Un Roverly language
>
>  
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Glen
>
> I?m really not sure why you should consider me to be ? A really mean 
> SOB, an impolite ill mannered furry Canadian ? I am , in reality, a 
> sensitive soul who has
>
>  always treated your posts with the  respect they deserve.
>
> I trust  that in future you will remember to engage your brain before 
> letting your fingers run riot over the key board  .
>
> Patrick
>
>
> In all fairness, Patrick, I never said you were furry!
>
> ;-)
>
> GLen
>
>
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Jan 29 21:40:16 2010
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] leaky brake fluid reservoir
Message-ID: <EC47CC93-C570-4A20-BCFE-63FC53F31098@telusplanet.net>

Now that my fuel leak has been solved, the brake/clutch fluid  
reservoir has decided that it didn't want to be left out...
I have a 1970 series 1 2000 TC with a three line reservoir. Does  
anyone have any good pictures of the bottom of ANY reservoir so I can  
determine what I may need to do next. I have tightened the hose clamps  
joining the rubber tubes to the metal tubes and am patiently waiting  
to see if any leaks continue.
Thanks!
Roy
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 22:24:05 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:24:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] leaky brake fluid reservoir
In-Reply-To: <EC47CC93-C570-4A20-BCFE-63FC53F31098@telusplanet.net>
References: <EC47CC93-C570-4A20-BCFE-63FC53F31098@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <812394.18591.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Roy,
Things you could look for if you seem to have fluid leaking from the three-outlet nylon reservoir:
1. The rubber connections between the nylon outlet and the rubber link connecting the metal tube are perished and allowing fluid through
** new rubber (I used gasoline grade rubber tube)
** new stainless steel clamps

2. There is (there are cracks) a crack in one of the nylon outlet tubes or extending to the floor of the nylon reservoir allowing fluid to drip out
** remove and use epoxy glue to repair

3. See if the RCCC has a spare reservoir

Eric



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________________________________
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 6:40:16 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] leaky brake fluid reservoir

Now that my fuel leak has been solved, the brake/clutch fluid reservoir has decided that it didn't want to be left out...
I have a 1970 series 1 2000 TC with a three line reservoir. Does anyone have any good pictures of the bottom of ANY reservoir so I can determine what I may need to do next. I have tightened the hose clamps joining the rubber tubes to the metal tubes and am patiently waiting to see if any leaks continue. 
Thanks!
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net  Sat Jan 30 18:39:32 2010
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:39:32 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Creams_or_Conditioners_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?for_Leather=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Car_Seats?=
In-Reply-To: Dennis Brooks <goodmedicinedr@hotmail.com>'s message of Tue,
	26 Jan 2010 20:30:14 -0400
Message-ID: <2641-4B64C334-8164@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Thanks to all who generously responded.

I learned a great deal from all of you.

Albert



From den at aachenkennels.com  Sat Jan 30 20:21:44 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:21:44 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to
	cars stuff
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>

How do we send in photos chaps.

 

From: Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

 

 

 

 

I?ve been on a few different forums since their inception, unfortunately I?ve also seen many people fall out because of  misunderstanding the intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is not to take offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves when reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to the reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant should apply to forums.

 

Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35 Riley Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time  (smile).

 

I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size wheel and tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for an article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look for if they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if they have been inflated for a very long time but look okay.

Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been standing since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small length ways cracks in the side wall on two of them.

 

You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where killed when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they had a blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.

 

  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side wall and are recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a lot more of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60 mph....eventually...(smile)  actually this thing bloody goes..although I am only guessing as its not road licensed yet...!!!!

 

Den.

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 23:14:43 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:14:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to
	cars stuff
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
Message-ID: <187654.67744.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At the bottom of every Rovernet message are some tips. This one seems to be related:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/

According to Yahoo protocol, you may have to sign up for a free Yahoo email account to post pictures.

Eric



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________________________________
From: Dennis Gallacher <den at aachenkennels.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 5:21:44 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

  
How do we send in photos chaps.
 
From:Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff
 
 
 
 
I?ve been on a few different forums since their inception,
unfortunately I?ve also seen many people fall out because of
 misunderstanding the intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is
not to take offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves
when reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to the
reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant should apply to
forums.
 
Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35
Riley Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it
which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time 
(smile).
 
I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size
wheel and tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky
tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for an
article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before
fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look for if
they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if they have been
inflated for a very long time but look okay.
Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been
standing since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the
road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small length ways
cracks in the side wall on two of them.
 
You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where
killed when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car
had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they had a
blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.
 
  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side
wall and are recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or
condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a lot more
of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60 mph....eventually...(smile) 
actually this thing bloody goes..although I am only guessing as its not road
licensed yet...!!!!
 
Den.
PS 3 pics attached of the Riley and 3 of the Rover


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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 01:53:31 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:53:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to
	cars stuff
In-Reply-To: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
References: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
Message-ID: <286731.50203.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I was reading a forum and found another place to post photos. Have a look at:
http://photobucket.com/

Eric



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________________________________
From: Dennis Gallacher <den at aachenkennels.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 5:21:44 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

  
How do we send in photos chaps.
 
From:Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff
 
 
 
 
I?ve been on a few different forums since their inception,
unfortunately I?ve also seen many people fall out because of
 misunderstanding the intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is
not to take offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves
when reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to the
reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant should apply to
forums.
 
Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35
Riley Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it
which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time 
(smile).
 
I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size
wheel and tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky
tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for an
article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before
fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look for if
they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if they have been
inflated for a very long time but look okay.
Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been
standing since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the
road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small length ways
cracks in the side wall on two of them.
 
You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where
killed when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car
had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they had a
blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.
 
  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side
wall and are recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or
condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a lot more
of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60 mph....eventually...(smile) 
actually this thing bloody goes..although I am only guessing as its not road
licensed yet...!!!!
 
Den.
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From DevlinS at bp.com  Sun Jan 31 02:08:34 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:08:34 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back
	tocars stuff
In-Reply-To: <286731.50203.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
	<286731.50203.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA1574F89BD@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>

I use Photobucket for my Rover pictures and found it much easier than
Yahoo and Flikr.  

 

Stewart

 

________________________________

From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Eric Russell
Sent: 31 January 2010 06:54
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay
back tocars stuff


Hi,
I was reading a forum and found another place to post photos. Have a
look at:
http://photobucket.com/

Eric



 
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC) 


________________________________

From: Dennis Gallacher <den at aachenkennels.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 5:21:44 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back to
cars stuff



How do we send in photos chaps.

 

From: Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

 

 

 

 

I've been on a few different forums since their inception, unfortunately
I've also seen many people fall out because of  misunderstanding the
intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is not to take
offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves when
reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to
the reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant
should apply to forums.

 

Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35 Riley
Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it
which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time
(smile).

 

I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size wheel and
tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky
tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for
an article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before
fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look
for if they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if
they have been inflated for a very long time but look okay.

Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been standing
since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the
road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small
length ways cracks in the side wall on two of them.

 

You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where killed
when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car
had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they
had a blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.

 

  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side wall and are
recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or
condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a
lot more of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60
mph....eventually...(smile)  actually this thing bloody goes..although I
am only guessing as its not road licensed yet...!!!!

 

Den.

PS 3 pics attached of the Riley and 3 of the Rover


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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan 31 08:28:16 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:28:16 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back
	tocars stuff
References: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CDF@Server.adoptsec.local>
	<187654.67744.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <73D9BF72DC20B0488083C198B9B2FD16081CE6@Server.adoptsec.local>

Anyone help with the inquiry concerning the tyres...

 

 

 

 

From: Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

 

 

 

 

I?ve been on a few different forums since their inception, unfortunately I?ve also seen many people fall out because of  misunderstanding the intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is not to take offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves when reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to the reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant should apply to forums.

 

Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35 Riley Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time  (smile).

 

I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size wheel and tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for an article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look for if they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if they have been inflated for a very long time but look okay.

Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been standing since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small length ways cracks in the side wall on two of them.

 

You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where killed when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they had a blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.

 

  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side wall and are recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a lot more of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60 mph....eventually...(smile)  actually this thing bloody goes..although I am only guessing as its not road licensed yet...!!!!

 

Den.

PS 3 pics attached of the Riley and 3 of the Rover

 

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From DevlinS at bp.com  Sun Jan 31 08:37:27 2010
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:37:27 -0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay
	backtocars stuff
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Hi Den,
 
I'm no expert but I would not even consider putting tyres that old on
the road.  OK to move a car around the yard but the consequences of a
blow-out at speed are not worth it.  Remember the old adage about
spoiling a ship for a ha'penny worth of tar, I would buy some new tyres
just before the car was ready for the road.
 
Regards
 
Stewart
 
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Dennis Gallacher
Sent: 31 January 2010 13:28
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay
backtocars stuff



Anyone help with the inquiry concerning the tyres...

 

 

 

 

From: Dennis Gallacher 
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 7:48 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Un Roverly language okay back to cars stuff

 

 

 

 

I've been on a few different forums since their inception, unfortunately
I've also seen many people fall out because of  misunderstanding the
intent in the written word. One thing I have learnt is not to take
offence at someone writing or their ability to explain themselves when
reply or making a joke as it can be soooo easy to cause an affront to
the reader. Guess they old saying offence taken when offence meant
should apply to forums.

 

Any way back to car stuff....went out and bought myself a 35 Riley
Falcon ( actually my big Brov paid for it. The deal is I have to fix it
which means I get to drive it and that could take a very long time
(smile).

 

I also have the 36 rover streamline which has the same size wheel and
tyres which would look much better on the riley then the big chucky
tread pattern that it has now.  I have been doing a bit of research for
an article concerning tyres and how best to:-  A. Store them before
fitting...B How store old and/or new bought old tyres.. C. what to look
for if they have been standing for awhile..C. How can you test them if
they have been inflated for a very long time but look okay.

Which is the case with the old Rover speed 14 as thats been standing
since 1966 but not used which is when the Streamline was last on the
road. The tyres themselves look okay lots of tread with some small
length ways cracks in the side wall on two of them.

 

You have to be mindful of those two poor chaps in UK who where killed
when taking and MGB for a road run after a lengthy restoration. That car
had even just passed an MOT and on its way to its first show when they
had a blow out from one of the old but looking in a safe good condition.

 

  I know that new tyres have the date stamp on the side wall and are
recommended to replace them after 5 years no matter the tread or
condition but then they are on modern cars and as such will be under a
lot more of a strain then the Riley that does 0-60
mph....eventually...(smile)  actually this thing bloody goes..although I
am only guessing as its not road licensed yet...!!!!

 

Den.

PS 3 pics attached of the Riley and 3 of the Rover

 

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 11:33:39 2010
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:33:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay
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I remember very well from Aircraft Maintenance Officers school, that it was taught, that rubber essentially had a shelf life of five years. In actual practice, aircraft tires really were discarded at five years. Yes, brand new tire, date code five years, over the side. Multi-million dollar jet landing on a carrier, you do not want old rubber. Many folks call a carrier landing, a controlled crash. 



On a collector car generally garaged, I would probably draw the line at ten years max. Sun is the worst enemy of rubber and these vintage vehicles are generally garaged. I also remember that additives were added to the rubber formula to reduce the ozone effects. One in particular was UOP (Union Oil Product) 88. With most of our tires coming from China, Korea, etc., who knows what has been formulated. 



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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 12:01:10 2010
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:01:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: Un Roverly language okay back
	tocars stuff
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I noticed this note at the bottom of a message:

"Den.
PS 3 pics attached of the Riley and 3 of the Rover"

Just a reminder. The Rovernet server does not accept attachments such as photos for security reasons.

References:

http://homepage.cem.itesm.mx/rogomez/Publicaciones/i2cs06.pdf
http://www.ualberta.ca/~pletendr/list-net.html

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From den at aachenkennels.com  Sun Jan 31 18:32:49 2010
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:32:49 +0900
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] blog or bog....
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Thanks for the info on the photos chaps. 

The good wife has often said I should start a 'blog' page, thought that
was something to do with the toilet and all the young kids had bowel
issues...(smile).

How do you start your own blog page.?


Just a reminder. The Rovernet server does not accept attachments such as
photos for security reasons.

References:

http://homepage.cem.itesm.mx/rogomez/Publicaciones/i2cs06.pdf
http://www.ualberta.ca/~pletendr/list-net.html

Eric



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From peter_m at amnet.net.au  Sun Jan 31 19:18:18 2010
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:18:18 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Starting a blog
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Hi Den and members,

To start a blog, try Blogger.com:  https://www.blogger.com/start 

It is quite simple and even I have managed to start one (see below link) to
record the work done on my car:

http://peter-myroverp6b.blogspot.com/

Happy blogging...

Peter Mitchell






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From peterhut at activ8.net.au  Sun Jan 31 19:41:24 2010
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:41:24 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Starting a blog
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On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:18:18 +0800, you wrote:

>Hi Den and members,
>
>To start a blog, try Blogger.com:  https://www.blogger.com/start 

If you dont want to go the way of Blogging, you can just open a photo
account with Flickr. I have a couple of Pro accounts including one for
RCCA, but normal ones are free. You just upload your photos and you
can choose who you want to view them.

http://www.flickr.com/


Cheers,

Peter Huttemeier
Webmaster 
Rover Car Club of Australia Inc
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/