[ROVERNET - UK] Trying to reach Patrick Hiron
Dirk Burrowes
dirk at vy-tek.com
Wed Apr 2 03:15:28 BST 2008
Hello All,
I have been trying to get in touch with Patrick Hiron in Canada and have
sent a number of emails and they all come back. All but one that was my
invitation to RoveAmerica. Patrick if you're out there send me a email and
let me know how to reply to you as 7 emails over the last several months
have all bounced back.
Thanks
Dirk
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rostyles (Fritz Rauschenberg)
2. Restoration, re-shell, or clone? (Geoff Kirkpatrick)
3. Re: Rostyles now Magstars (Christopher Smith)
4. Re: sd1 borg-warner 65 torque converter question (Magnet)
5. Re: Restoration, re-shell, or clone? (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
6. Re: Restoration, re-shell, or clone? (Geoff Kirkpatrick)
7. Re: Re: 3500S Options, still... (David Sheuring)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:09:04 -0400
From: "Fritz Rauschenberg" <wfritz at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Rostyles
To: "David Walker <concinnity at woosh.co.nz>,"
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Yep, Magstars.
Fritz Rauschenberg
wfritz at mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
> [Original Message]
> From: David Walker <concinnity at woosh.co.nz>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Date: 4/2/2008 7:59:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Rostyles
>
> Chris I think that those are Magstars,not Rostyles.What does anyone else
> think?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith at ssl.berkeley.edu>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:23 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Rostyles
>
>
> >
> > Ive posted some high definition pictures of the Rostyle wheels I am
> > offering if anyone is interested.
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2tqvy6
> >
> > chris
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Kirkpatrick <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Restoration, re-shell, or clone?
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Yes, it's a beautiful car. But is it a real NADA car? That's probably a
question that has no definitive answer. It appears that he started with a
UK RHD car and meticulously converted it to LHD NADA spec. You could call
this car a clone, or a re-shell. So what does that mean for its
authenticity? I don't know. Does it retain its original UK VIN? Was the
VIN taken from an NADA donor car and transplanted to the new shell? Even if
it has the correct NADA VIN, is it still just a UK car in drag? Personally,
I think it's something less than a real NADA car because it's not the
original shell. Any answer to these questions is really just an opinion
though, and someone else's differing opinion is just as correct as mine.
But what about a Mini or an MGB which has been re-shelled with a new
Heritage shell? Is this a clone? I tend to think differently about this.
Inconsistent, I know, which just reinforces how gray this whole area is.
Ultimately it's probably not particularly important in this case. Nobody is
going to bother faking an NADA 3500S to deceive potential buyers and try to
make an illicit profit. If we were talking about, say, a Cortina Mk 1 GT
being turned into a Lotus Cortina, though, authenticity takes on a lot more
importance.. Not to mention the difference between a slant-six Plymouth
Barracuda and an original, fully documented 426 Hemi 'Cuda. And there are
at least a couple of cases where two mega-buck vintage Ferraris share the
same ID number, because two people each got hold of different bits of a
crashed car, and each built a complete car around their bits. Which of the
two is the "real" one? Nobody can say for sure.
Geoff
"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of
no possible service to him."
- William Lyon Phelps
Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
*********************************************************
If you got to
http://www.rover-classics.co.uk/pages/restoration/index.html , the owner
describes a restoration of a NADA Federal 3500S that cost #16,000. Now,
isn't a pound worth about $2 at this point?
What's interesting about that car is that it was RHD before he restored
it. Once again, what's the VIN? Did someone convert it from an NADA car?
Or is it a clone? I also notice that the seats and grille are different
from the 3500S we got in the states. There are no pictures of the door
panels, but I think I see a rotary knob for one of the vent windows. I'd
wager anything that this is a home market 3500 with a lot of NADA 3500S
bits screwed on. Beautiful automobile and excellent workmanship.
I can see wanting a RHD car for use in the UK, but for $32,000 why not
restore an actual original NADA 3500S with all of the original bits?
Funny what people with a lot of money choose to do with it.
Re Steven's comments, the NADA 3500S had many parts that were unique to
it including the interior door panels with arm rests and pockets, the
hood scoops, and the bumpers, and the grille (though that was mainly a
paint job).
It was the first to have the box pleated upholstery and the round gauges.
It also had steel bars in the doors for added safety. Did other P6s get
these?
How about the rotary knobs for opening the vent windows in the front
doors? Did they ever appear on other cars?
Glen
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:14:06 -0700
From: Christopher Smith <csmith at ssl.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rostyles now Magstars
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Apologies for the mistake. These are definitely
Magstars not Rostyles given the info on the RCCC
website.
http://www.roverclub.ca/wheeloptions.html
chris
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Rostyles
> From: "David Walker" <concinnity at woosh.co.nz>
> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:59:25 +1300
> To:<rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> To:<rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>
>
> Chris I think that those are Magstars,not Rostyles.What does anyone else
> think?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Smith"
> <csmith at ssl.berkeley.edu>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:23 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Rostyles
>
>
>>
>> Ive posted some high definition pictures of the Rostyle wheels I am
>> offering if anyone is interested.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2tqvy6
>>
>> chris
>>
>> --
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:18:41 -0400
From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] sd1 borg-warner 65 torque converter
question
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Hi Doug,
I have a BW65 and torque conv from a SD-1 that you can have for free, if
you want to pick it up. Near Toronto, Ontario.
Cheers,
Bill Daddis
Toronto Area Rover Club
====================================
doug gruber wrote:
> Hello,
> I need to know if it is possible to bench test a removed torque
> converter from a borg warner 65 trans? My son ran a stall test
> following the instructions in his manual and it indicated a possible
> stator slip problem.
>
> Here is the history of his project. He is a 15 year old with some
> wrenching experience. His uncle gave him an SD1 with an additional
> low-mileage engine. His task was to pull the original engine and
> replace it with the lower mileage engine. He did the swap, bolted the
> flywheel and torque converter to the newer engine, but the flywheel
> plate bolt heads did not clear the lower portion of the block. He and
> I have verified that the newer block does have two recessed sections
> that are 1/8" thicker than the older block and therefore extend toward
> the bellhousing and get in the way of the bolt heads trying to pass
> that area.
>
> Rather than file away this small amount of the extending surface, he
> followed someone's advice and placed the flywheel's reinforcement
> plate on the opposite side of the flywheel. This plate, mating with
> the existing spacer, put the flywheel 1/8" toward the transmission and
> allowed the bolt heads to clear the offending surface.
> He put everything back together, he started and then tuned the engine,
> but when he took it out for a test drive the transmission did not
> accelerate the car properly. This lead to the stall test and the idea
> about the stator problem. Could the stator have been damaged by the
> flywheel and torque converter being placed this 1/8" closer to the
> transmission and possibly causing too much pressure?
>
> By the way, the transmission worked properly with the other engine
> before the swap was performed, and my son and his 17 year old SD1
> owning older brother both say that there is nothing wrong with newer
> engine.
>
> Also, we are in the market for a bw 65 trans and torque converter.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:22:07 +0200
From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Restoration, re-shell, or clone?
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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If any parts are fitted to a body shell with a 451-VIN number (= RHD UK) so
that at the end this car
looks like, say, a NADA P6 - in my opinion this would be a "replica" - and
not more
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
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Von: "Geoff Kirkpatrick" <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 00:12
Betreff: [ROVERNET - UK] Restoration, re-shell, or clone?
Yes, it's a beautiful car. But is it a real NADA car? That's probably a
question that has no
definitive answer. It appears that he started with a UK RHD car and
meticulously converted it to
LHD NADA spec. You could call this car a clone, or a re-shell. So what
does that mean for its
authenticity? I don't know. Does it retain its original UK VIN? Was the
VIN taken from an NADA
donor car and transplanted to the new shell? Even if it has the correct
NADA VIN, is it still just
a UK car in drag? Personally, I think it's something less than a real NADA
car because it's not the
original shell. Any answer to these questions is really just an opinion
though, and someone else's
differing opinion is just as correct as mine.
But what about a Mini or an MGB which has been re-shelled with a new
Heritage shell? Is this a
clone? I tend to think differently about this. Inconsistent, I know, which
just reinforces how
gray this whole area is.
Ultimately it's probably not particularly important in this case. Nobody is
going to bother faking
an NADA 3500S to deceive potential buyers and try to make an illicit profit.
If we were talking
about, say, a Cortina Mk 1 GT being turned into a Lotus Cortina, though,
authenticity takes on a lot
more importance.. Not to mention the difference between a slant-six
Plymouth Barracuda and an
original, fully documented 426 Hemi 'Cuda. And there are at least a couple
of cases where two
mega-buck vintage Ferraris share the same ID number, because two people each
got hold of different
bits of a crashed car, and each built a complete car around their bits.
Which of the two is the
"real" one? Nobody can say for sure.
Geoff
"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of
no possible service to
him."
- William Lyon Phelps
Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
*********************************************************
If you got to
http://www.rover-classics.co.uk/pages/restoration/index.html , the owner
describes a restoration of a NADA Federal 3500S that cost #16,000. Now,
isn't a pound worth about $2 at this point?
What's interesting about that car is that it was RHD before he restored
it. Once again, what's the VIN? Did someone convert it from an NADA car?
Or is it a clone? I also notice that the seats and grille are different
from the 3500S we got in the states. There are no pictures of the door
panels, but I think I see a rotary knob for one of the vent windows. I'd
wager anything that this is a home market 3500 with a lot of NADA 3500S
bits screwed on. Beautiful automobile and excellent workmanship.
I can see wanting a RHD car for use in the UK, but for $32,000 why not
restore an actual original NADA 3500S with all of the original bits?
Funny what people with a lot of money choose to do with it.
Re Steven's comments, the NADA 3500S had many parts that were unique to
it including the interior door panels with arm rests and pockets, the
hood scoops, and the bumpers, and the grille (though that was mainly a
paint job).
It was the first to have the box pleated upholstery and the round gauges.
It also had steel bars in the doors for added safety. Did other P6s get
these?
How about the rotary knobs for opening the vent windows in the front
doors? Did they ever appear on other cars?
Glen
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Kirkpatrick <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Restoration, re-shell, or clone?
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I should have looked at ALL the pictures before sending my previous message
I guess! I hadn't noticed that the car remains RHD. So it really is
basically a UK car which has had as many of the NADA bits installed as the
owner could find. Probably "clone" is the best description for it.
A beautiful car in any case.
Geoff
"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of
no possible service to him."
- William Lyon Phelps
Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Sheuring <rovertcv8 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: 3500S Options, still...
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Glen
You are so right. I did that and discovered some new
four lettered words.......
I have never in my life seen so much in such a smal
#$&@ space
David
--- Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> wrote:
> Vern Klukas wrote:
> >> It also had steel bars in the doors for added
> safety. Did other P6s
> >> get these?
> >
> > NADA ones did near the end
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
> >
>
> Working on the inside of a Federal 3500S door
> compared to working inside
> a 1968 2000TC door is a completely different
> experience. Want to remove
> the door handle and lock for painting? Be prepared
> to deal with all of
> the electric window bits and the honking great piece
> of pipe inside the
> door!
>
> Glen
>
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