[ROVERNET - UK] RE: rovernet Digest, Vol 51, Issue 33

Dirk Burrowes dirk at vy-tek.com
Wed Feb 28 10:46:08 GMT 2007


Hi Steve and Vern,

First I think it would be easier to find a new 4 cylinder engine then 105
badges as I have been looking for those for 2 years!

New piston sets for all Rovers P4s have been on eBay UK quite a bit and
oversize ones as well. I would lean towards a rebuild or at least a hone and
new pistons that are stock size. This could be done with the engine in the
car even.

Here is a link on eBay UK

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-P4-75-55-59-piston-ring-set-020_W0QQitemZ1300847
17358QQihZ003QQcategoryZ27382QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good luck
Dirk

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[ROVERNET-UK]

Today's Topics:

   1.  Shifting Problem (post for friend) (Steve L)
   2. Re:  Shifting Problem (post for friend) (Vern Klukas)
   3.  Shifting Problem (post for friend) (Steve L)
   4. Re:  Shifting Problem (post for friend) (David Sheuring)
   5. RE:  Shifting Problem (post for friend) (Paul Smith)
   6.  Wanted:   P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in USA/Canada (S Manwell)
   7. RE:  Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in USA/Canada (Paul Smith)
   8. Re:  Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in USA/Canada (S Manwell)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:45:39 -0800
From: "Steve L" <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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My friend (he is the guy that had that green TC racer on eBay a few weeks 
ago) is having the following problem -- I quote:

"The symptoms are it shifts fantastic from a cold start and then after about

5 minutes it becomes difficult to shift from any engine speed, and after 
about 10 minutes it will let you out of a gear but not back into a gear such

as shifting from 2 to 3 or 3rd to 4th or vice versa. Sometimes I have had to

pull over and start from a standing start and working my way up thru the 
gears."

The clutch cylinders are fine -- lots of clutch throw.  I have never heard 
of the gearboxes having problems after driving a while.  What do you think?

Thank you,
Steve

p.s.  Does anybody have a spare Lucas 3AW warning lamp control that I could 
purchase? 





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:25:41 -0800
From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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I'm presuming the car is a P6?

On the blocked shifts into gear, any teeth grinding (actually syncro 
grinding) while trying to do it or is the lever just impossible to 
move? Any unusual noises, in particular occasional short, very 
high-pitched shrieks?

My first thought is some kind of clutch problem. After that, a failed 
"main shaft spigot" bearing could give the symptoms, but that would 
be quite the noisy gearbox.

If there are no bad noises, next thing to look at is the shift 
mechanism itself, a fairly Rube Goldberg affair with plenty of room 
for derangement, and there is lots of rubber to swell and rot.

Yours
Vern


>My friend (he is the guy that had that green TC racer on eBay a few 
>weeks ago) is having the following problem -- I quote:
>
>"The symptoms are it shifts fantastic from a cold start and then 
>after about 5 minutes it becomes difficult to shift from any engine 
>speed, and after about 10 minutes it will let you out of a gear but 
>not back into a gear such as shifting from 2 to 3 or 3rd to 4th or 
>vice versa. Sometimes I have had to pull over and start from a 
>standing start and working my way up thru the gears."
>
>The clutch cylinders are fine -- lots of clutch throw.  I have never 
>heard of the gearboxes having problems after driving a while.  What 
>do you think?
>
>Thank you,
>Steve
>
>p.s.  Does anybody have a spare Lucas 3AW warning lamp control that 
>I could purchase?
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:54:09 -0800
From: "Steve L" <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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Vern,
Yes, P6.  There is no bad noises at all from the gearbox while trying to 
shift, so I wonder if the clutch system loses hydraulic pressure somehow 
while driving? He says when he stops he can start shifting all over again. 
It does sound like some clutch release problem to me.
Thanks,
Steve


>I'm presuming the car is a P6?

>On the blocked shifts into gear, any teeth grinding (actually syncro
>grinding) while trying to do it or is the lever just impossible to
>move? Any unusual noises, in particular occasional short, very
>high-pitched shrieks?

>My first thought is some kind of clutch problem. After that, a failed
>"main shaft spigot" bearing could give the symptoms, but that would
>be quite the noisy gearbox.

>If there are no bad noises, next thing to look at is the shift
>mechanism itself, a fairly Rube Goldberg affair with plenty of room
>for derangement, and there is lots of rubber to swell and rot.

>Yours
>Vern


>My friend (he is the guy that had that green TC racer on eBay a few
>weeks ago) is having the following problem -- I quote:
>
>"The symptoms are it shifts fantastic from a cold start and then
>after about 5 minutes it becomes difficult to shift from any engine
>speed, and after about 10 minutes it will let you out of a gear but
>not back into a gear such as shifting from 2 to 3 or 3rd to 4th or
>vice versa. Sometimes I have had to pull over and start from a
>standing start and working my way up thru the gears."
>
>The clutch cylinders are fine -- lots of clutch throw.  I have never
>heard of the gearboxes having problems after driving a while.  What
>do you think?
>
>Thank you,
>Steve
>
>p.s.  Does anybody have a spare Lucas 3AW warning lamp control that
>I could purchase? 





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:05:36 -0800 (PST)
From: David Sheuring <rovertcv8 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Message-ID: <482623.91517.qm at web38407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I have another idea....could it be the type of fluid
that is in the transmission...just a thought.
David

--- Steve L <jaoa27 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Vern,
> Yes, P6.  There is no bad noises at all from the
> gearbox while trying to 
> shift, so I wonder if the clutch system loses
> hydraulic pressure somehow 
> while driving? He says when he stops he can start
> shifting all over again. 
> It does sound like some clutch release problem to
> me.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> 
> >I'm presuming the car is a P6?
> 
> >On the blocked shifts into gear, any teeth grinding
> (actually syncro
> >grinding) while trying to do it or is the lever
> just impossible to
> >move? Any unusual noises, in particular occasional
> short, very
> >high-pitched shrieks?
> 
> >My first thought is some kind of clutch problem.
> After that, a failed
> >"main shaft spigot" bearing could give the
> symptoms, but that would
> >be quite the noisy gearbox.
> 
> >If there are no bad noises, next thing to look at
> is the shift
> >mechanism itself, a fairly Rube Goldberg affair
> with plenty of room
> >for derangement, and there is lots of rubber to
> swell and rot.
> 
> >Yours
> >Vern
> 
> 
> >My friend (he is the guy that had that green TC
> racer on eBay a few
> >weeks ago) is having the following problem -- I
> quote:
> >
> >"The symptoms are it shifts fantastic from a cold
> start and then
> >after about 5 minutes it becomes difficult to shift
> from any engine
> >speed, and after about 10 minutes it will let you
> out of a gear but
> >not back into a gear such as shifting from 2 to 3
> or 3rd to 4th or
> >vice versa. Sometimes I have had to pull over and
> start from a
> >standing start and working my way up thru the
> gears."
> >
> >The clutch cylinders are fine -- lots of clutch
> throw.  I have never
> >heard of the gearboxes having problems after
> driving a while.  What
> >do you think?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Steve
> >
> >p.s.  Does anybody have a spare Lucas 3AW warning
> lamp control that
> >I could purchase? 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:18:53 +1100
From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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Or is the shift linkage moving some?  Are the engine mounts wrecked?
Long shot but eh.

PVS

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 8:54 am
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Shifting Problem (post for friend)


Vern,
Yes, P6.  There is no bad noises at all from the gearbox while trying to 
shift, so I wonder if the clutch system loses hydraulic pressure somehow 
while driving? He says when he stops he can start shifting all over again. 
It does sound like some clutch release problem to me.
Thanks,
Steve


>I'm presuming the car is a P6?

>On the blocked shifts into gear, any teeth grinding (actually syncro
>grinding) while trying to do it or is the lever just impossible to
>move? Any unusual noises, in particular occasional short, very
>high-pitched shrieks?

>My first thought is some kind of clutch problem. After that, a failed
>"main shaft spigot" bearing could give the symptoms, but that would
>be quite the noisy gearbox.

>If there are no bad noises, next thing to look at is the shift
>mechanism itself, a fairly Rube Goldberg affair with plenty of room
>for derangement, and there is lots of rubber to swell and rot.

>Yours
>Vern


>My friend (he is the guy that had that green TC racer on eBay a few
>weeks ago) is having the following problem -- I quote:
>
>"The symptoms are it shifts fantastic from a cold start and then
>after about 5 minutes it becomes difficult to shift from any engine
>speed, and after about 10 minutes it will let you out of a gear but
>not back into a gear such as shifting from 2 to 3 or 3rd to 4th or
>vice versa. Sometimes I have had to pull over and start from a
>standing start and working my way up thru the gears."
>
>The clutch cylinders are fine -- lots of clutch throw.  I have never
>heard of the gearboxes having problems after driving a while.  What
>do you think?
>
>Thank you,
>Steve
>
>p.s.  Does anybody have a spare Lucas 3AW warning lamp control that
>I could purchase? 



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:57:34 -0500
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted:   P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in
	USA/Canada
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I have been in contact with a garage in Connecticut that is looking for 
a good P4 '60' engine for a restoration on a 1958 P4 they are doing for 
a customer.  The engine in the car is firmly seized after a long soak 
with 'Mystery Oil in the cylinders.  I have advised them that they might 
find an engine through Land Rover Series I sources, and they are looking 
into importing an engine from the UK.  Sounds like the engine was low on 
power for a while, then sat for some years and is now seized. 

Does anyone know of a 60 engine available in North America?  How about a 
good running 60 engine available in the UK or elsewhere?

Depending on how badly stuck the engine is, they might be better off 
putting resources into rebuilding the existing engine rather than 
putting in a running engine with unknown history.  I don't think there 
are many 60's or Series I's in the US.  Maybe put an '80' / LR Series II 
engine in it?

Thanks,

Steve Manwell
>   



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:35:08 +1100
From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in
	USA/Canada
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Look, if it were mine I'd source some 105 badges and stick a 105 engine in.

PVS

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:58 am
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in USA/Canada


I have been in contact with a garage in Connecticut that is looking for 
a good P4 '60' engine for a restoration on a 1958 P4 they are doing for 
a customer.  The engine in the car is firmly seized after a long soak 
with 'Mystery Oil in the cylinders.  I have advised them that they might 
find an engine through Land Rover Series I sources, and they are looking 
into importing an engine from the UK.  Sounds like the engine was low on 
power for a while, then sat for some years and is now seized. 

Does anyone know of a 60 engine available in North America?  How about a 
good running 60 engine available in the UK or elsewhere?

Depending on how badly stuck the engine is, they might be better off 
putting resources into rebuilding the existing engine rather than 
putting in a running engine with unknown history.  I don't think there 
are many 60's or Series I's in the US.  Maybe put an '80' / LR Series II 
engine in it?

Thanks,

Steve Manwell
>   

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:45:31 -0500
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in
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Yes, a 90 or 105 would make a nice conversion.  I also suggested to the 
restorer that a 6-cylinder car was more likely to be restored.  It 
sounds as though the existing specification may have some sentimental 
value to the owner...  --Steve

Paul Smith wrote:
> Look, if it were mine I'd source some 105 badges and stick a 105 engine
in.
>
> PVS
>
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> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of S Manwell
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:58 am
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted: P4 '60' 4-cylinder engine in USA/Canada
>
>
> I have been in contact with a garage in Connecticut that is looking for 
> a good P4 '60' engine for a restoration on a 1958 P4 they are doing for 
> a customer.  The engine in the car is firmly seized after a long soak 
> with 'Mystery Oil in the cylinders.  I have advised them that they might 
> find an engine through Land Rover Series I sources, and they are looking 
> into importing an engine from the UK.  Sounds like the engine was low on 
> power for a while, then sat for some years and is now seized. 
>
> Does anyone know of a 60 engine available in North America?  How about a 
> good running 60 engine available in the UK or elsewhere?
>
> Depending on how badly stuck the engine is, they might be better off 
> putting resources into rebuilding the existing engine rather than 
> putting in a running engine with unknown history.  I don't think there 
> are many 60's or Series I's in the US.  Maybe put an '80' / LR Series II 
> engine in it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Manwell
>   
>>   
>>     
>
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