[ROVERNET - UK] follow-up to advice

James Dean jaguru at bellsouth.net
Wed Jan 18 07:33:29 GMT 2006


There is a short campy scene in an Austin Powers movie, where he and his 
girlfriend drive outside London, following a road sign that says "English 
Countryside". He comments" You know, it's amazing how much the English 
countryside looks exactly like Southern  California." The next scene, they 
look off to the hills and see the classic"Hollywood " sign. Next, the bad 
guys roar up out of nowhere in... A US spec Rover 3500S with hood scoops. 
I'm probably the only one who noticed that; but to me that was more American 
than the sign on the hills. I assume that was shot in California. Anyway, go 
rent the video, and keep your scoops, it makes a great chase car.. I always 
believed one thing that turned Americans against the 3500S  in 1970 was 
those scoops- It looked too American; and if they were going to spend $5000 
to buy a British car; it should look like a British car, not An American 
muscle car. James Dean
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] follow-up to advice


> Don't change the hood scoops or put a TC hood on. I think it spoils one of
> the most distinctive features unique to US cars.
>
> My two cents
> Dirk
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>   1.  P6 Painting Pointers (George Phelps)
>   2. Re:  P6 Painting Pointers (Brooks)
>   3.  Re: P6 Bonnet (Stephen JC Beer)
>   4. Re:  P6 Painting Pointers (James Dean)
>   5. Re:  Re: P6 Bonnet (Pjemail at aol.com)
>   6. Re:  Re: P6 Bonnet (Eric Russell)
>   7. Re:  Re: P6 Bonnet (Mark Brown)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:58:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: George Phelps <mrpink703 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Hello to all. I am now the proud new owner of Glen
> Wilson's 3500S, and his parts car as well. Thanks
> Glen!
>
> Car questions:
> I am first looking for advice on painting. It seems
> there are two ways to proceed, getting it painted
> whole or panel by panel. This second option is
> appealing to me as the panels are pretty much removed
> already, and as I plan to put the vinyl stuff on the
> roof, I don't need to worry about removing that. (if
> anyone has done the vinyl I would be interested in
> that info too). Anyway, taking the car in in bits just
> seems a more interesting way to go than to take the
> car into a shop whole.
>
> I would appreciate any thoughts on how best to proceed
> and what I might expect to pay for a decent (not show
> but not crap) job. I would also be happy to hear of
> any good experiences with painters in the mid
> Atlantic.
>
> I also hope to replace the hood scooped 3500 hood with
> a plain one from a 2000.  Has anyone in a warmer clime
> done this, I am a little concerned about heat issues.
>
> List questions:
> 1)  Where would I get ideas on why I can't seem to
> post to the list from my other the email address, but
> can post from this one?
> 2) Also, is there some way to search the entire
> archives of this list, I can only seem to get parts of
> it at a time. I have a feeling I am going to be asking
> many, many questions, that have been asked before.
>
> Thanks everybody
> George
> p6_rover "at" yahoo "dot" com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:11:57 -0400
> From: "Brooks" <restore at nbnet.nb.ca>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> Congrats on your new acquisition !! I have done my P6B's using both 
> methods
> you described...I strongly suggest you paint the inside of the removed
> panels (since they are off already) in order to protect the metal from 
> rust
> and then put them back on the car to be painted in one step. I say this
> because it's much harder to get the very same results on individual
> panels...it can be done but it's not really worth the concerns.
> I have done several vinyl tops and it is not a simple task (at least to 
> get
>
> a professional result) . Your local upholstery shop should have all the
> products required (or be able to order them) to do the job, just be 
> certain
> to use the proper adhesive and don't skimp on how much you apply. You
> probally already know that you just can't use any type of vinyl...it must 
> be
>
> UV resistant. It should be installed in a very warm place and bring a 
> friend
>
> to help you fit it onto the car.
> The hood shoud interchange (I've never done that myself) but I know the
> scoops are there for a very valid reason especially in warmer
> climates...additional cooling..so I would expect that could cause your
> engine to run a bit hotter than intended...perhaps not enough to be a 
> valid
> concern but if you are planning to do much city driving it would be worth
> consideration.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Phelps" <mrpink703 at yahoo.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:58 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
>
>
>> Hello to all. I am now the proud new owner of Glen
>> Wilson's 3500S, and his parts car as well. Thanks
>> Glen!
>>
>> Car questions:
>> I am first looking for advice on painting. It seems
>> there are two ways to proceed, getting it painted
>> whole or panel by panel. This second option is
>> appealing to me as the panels are pretty much removed
>> already, and as I plan to put the vinyl stuff on the
>> roof, I don't need to worry about removing that. (if
>> anyone has done the vinyl I would be interested in
>> that info too). Anyway, taking the car in in bits just
>> seems a more interesting way to go than to take the
>> car into a shop whole.
>>
>> I would appreciate any thoughts on how best to proceed
>> and what I might expect to pay for a decent (not show
>> but not crap) job. I would also be happy to hear of
>> any good experiences with painters in the mid
>> Atlantic.
>>
>> I also hope to replace the hood scooped 3500 hood with
>> a plain one from a 2000.  Has anyone in a warmer clime
>> done this, I am a little concerned about heat issues.
>>
>> List questions:
>> 1)  Where would I get ideas on why I can't seem to
>> post to the list from my other the email address, but
>> can post from this one?
>> 2) Also, is there some way to search the entire
>> archives of this list, I can only seem to get parts of
>> it at a time. I have a feeling I am going to be asking
>> many, many questions, that have been asked before.
>>
>> Thanks everybody
>> George
>> p6_rover "at" yahoo "dot" com
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:41:59 -0600
> From: Stephen JC Beer <stephen at beerinc.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: P6 Bonnet
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> The 2000 and the 3500 hoods (bonnets) are, indeed, different. The
> 3500's is an exasperating inch longer -- and for the US market has an
> awkward stainless strip at the front. I made a 3500 hood fit a 2000
> once but I would not do it again. I have a 3500 hood stripped of the
> goofy scoops that you could weld pieces over the scoop holes if it
> would help but there must be a better way. My suggestion would be to
> get a non-scooped 3500 hood and make sure your cooling system is up to
> snuff.
>
> Stephen Beer
> Milan, NY
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Brooks wrote:
>
>> Congrats on your new acquisition !! I have done my P6B's using both
>> methods you described...I strongly suggest you paint the inside of the
>> removed panels (since they are off already) in order to protect the
>> metal from rust and then put them back on the car to be painted in one
>> step. I say this because it's much harder to get the very same results
>> on individual panels...it can be done but it's not really worth the
>> concerns.
>> I have done several vinyl tops and it is not a simple task (at least
>> to get a professional result) . Your local upholstery shop should have
>> all the products required (or be able to order them) to do the job,
>> just be certain to use the proper adhesive and don't skimp on how much
>> you apply. You probally already know that you just can't use any type
>> of vinyl...it must be UV resistant. It should be installed in a very
>> warm place and bring a friend to help you fit it onto the car.
>> The hood shoud interchange (I've never done that myself) but I know
>> the scoops are there for a very valid reason especially in warmer
>> climates...additional cooling..so I would expect that could cause your
>> engine to run a bit hotter than intended...perhaps not enough to be a
>> valid concern but if you are planning to do much city driving it would
>> be worth consideration.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Phelps"
>> <mrpink703 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:58 AM
>> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
>>
>>
>>> Hello to all. I am now the proud new owner of Glen
>>> Wilson's 3500S, and his parts car as well. Thanks
>>> Glen!
>>>
>>> Car questions:
>>> I am first looking for advice on painting. It seems
>>> there are two ways to proceed, getting it painted
>>> whole or panel by panel. This second option is
>>> appealing to me as the panels are pretty much removed
>>> already, and as I plan to put the vinyl stuff on the
>>> roof, I don't need to worry about removing that. (if
>>> anyone has done the vinyl I would be interested in
>>> that info too). Anyway, taking the car in in bits just
>>> seems a more interesting way to go than to take the
>>> car into a shop whole.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any thoughts on how best to proceed
>>> and what I might expect to pay for a decent (not show
>>> but not crap) job. I would also be happy to hear of
>>> any good experiences with painters in the mid
>>> Atlantic.
>>>
>>> I also hope to replace the hood scooped 3500 hood with
>>> a plain one from a 2000.  Has anyone in a warmer clime
>>> done this, I am a little concerned about heat issues.
>>>
>>> List questions:
>>> 1)  Where would I get ideas on why I can't seem to
>>> post to the list from my other the email address, but
>>> can post from this one?
>>> 2) Also, is there some way to search the entire
>>> archives of this list, I can only seem to get parts of
>>> it at a time. I have a feeling I am going to be asking
>>> many, many questions, that have been asked before.
>>>
>>> Thanks everybody
>>> George
>>> p6_rover "at" yahoo "dot" com
>>>
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>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:32:36 -0800
> From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
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> George; I painted my 1969 2000TC in Brigade red Dupont lacquer around 10
> years ago, removing all the panels except the roof .It is not easy to get 
> a
> paint shop to do it this way , they all want to paint in one day and get
> paid. I  stripped all small panels in a strip tank, the doors, bonnet, 
> boot,
>
> and top, were stripped with stripper.I treated them all with Ospho.I  had
> the paint shop use metalprep , then etch primer, then epoxy primer.  Then 
> I
> undercoated every panel with good quality undercoat, then they painted. I
> had them wetsand , reshoot, wetsand again, and buff each piece separately,
> then after the parts sat a month, I waxed them and assembled the car. It 
> had
>
> been a California, then Florida car, so had no rust , other than a tiny
> trunk hole, which was repaired.I had removed all glass, including doors,a
> major  job. I replaced all rubber behind panels, rubber around vent 
> wisdows,
>
> and front and back windscreen seals.I cleaned the bottom of thr car and
> undercoated it.I also added 1967 rear window frames,as I likevent windows.
>                    After assembly, the car  was gorgeous, and was shipped
> by BMW/ Landrover NA, from Florida to Idaho, and put in the ballroom at 
> the
> National  Landrover Dealer's convention, (along with MG's Minis. 
> Landrovers,
>
> and classic BMW's, and a '59 Rover I had restored). to show  the heritage 
> of
>
> the marques associated with and owned by  Rover (then owned by BMW). 3
> Months later, BMW sold Landrover to Ford; I always wondered if the Ford
> people were also at that resort. Perhaps my fine rover had something to do
> with the demise. I will never know.
>                      Anyway, in my opinion this is the only right way to
> paint a P6. You probably won't  find anyone who wants to do it in lacquer;
> though I have the brigade red formula, and I have a source of lacquer, or 
> I
> am told you can buy it in Canada. The paint was kept waxed. and was good 
> at
> least 5 years, mostly in Florida sun. It has now been 10 years, the car is
> inside, and the paint on top is checked, but sides and jambs are still 
> good.
>
> I think it could be sanded down to primer where it is checked, and reshot,
> probably with modern paint, if the color could be matched; or redone in
> lacquer, in the same color. It would not have to be disassembled this 
> time.
> As far as cost, I traded the Expensive German body shop Jaguar labor and
> parts, for the job,I did  assembly, reassembly, and stripped the fenders 
> and
>
> small parts. They had a painter and helper on it forweeks, and it had a
> $9,000 retail bill. It would probably be cheaper for you to buy my car,
> which I would like to sell. aside from a repaint  it now needs a clutch
> clutch  hydraulics, and a gearbox. It had  factory AC, has  Magstar wheels
> but has a 2000 engine My phone   is 1954JAGUARS, or email
> jaguru at bellsouth.net  I have lovely photos,after it was restored, if 
> anyone
> wants them. I hope I have answered some questions James Dean, Ft.
> Lauderdale.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Phelps" <mrpink703 at yahoo.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:58 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Painting Pointers
>
>
>> Hello to all. I am now the proud new owner of Glen
>> Wilson's 3500S, and his parts car as well. Thanks
>> Glen!
>>
>> Car questions:
>> I am first looking for advice on painting. It seems
>> there are two ways to proceed, getting it painted
>> whole or panel by panel. This second option is
>> appealing to me as the panels are pretty much removed
>> already, and as I plan to put the vinyl stuff on the
>> roof, I don't need to worry about removing that. (if
>> anyone has done the vinyl I would be interested in
>> that info too). Anyway, taking the car in in bits just
>> seems a more interesting way to go than to take the
>> car into a shop whole.
>>
>> I would appreciate any thoughts on how best to proceed
>> and what I might expect to pay for a decent (not show
>> but not crap) job. I would also be happy to hear of
>> any good experiences with painters in the mid
>> Atlantic.
>>
>> I also hope to replace the hood scooped 3500 hood with
>> a plain one from a 2000.  Has anyone in a warmer clime
>> done this, I am a little concerned about heat issues.
>>
>> List questions:
>> 1)  Where would I get ideas on why I can't seem to
>> post to the list from my other the email address, but
>> can post from this one?
>> 2) Also, is there some way to search the entire
>> archives of this list, I can only seem to get parts of
>> it at a time. I have a feeling I am going to be asking
>> many, many questions, that have been asked before.
>>
>> Thanks everybody
>> George
>> p6_rover "at" yahoo "dot" com
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:43:07 -0500
> From: Pjemail at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: P6 Bonnet
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Why do you want to get rid of the scoops? Is it a question of aesthetics?
> Even if it i, taking  them off will leave the car less authentic, and I
> would think long and hard before doing that. In the UK, people are falling
> over themselves to get the three scoop bonnet look.
>
> Pierre Janusz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:05:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: P6 Bonnet
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> George,
> The advice offered to you so far has been
> well-considered.
> The Rover 2000 hood latch panel is a different design
> and piece of sheet metal than the 3500S
> The Rover 2000 hood leading edge is thicker
> The 3500 S hood leading edge is thinner and has
> cut-outs for the spire nuts which hold the aluminum
> eyebrow
>
> Our Club has a new old stock hood that is the same
> dimensions as the 3500 S hood but without the cut-outs
> for the hood scoops. When I stood them up side by side
> in my yard, they had the same outside dimension and
> looked the same.  When I laid it onto my 2000 engine
> compartment, I could see that it would not fit.
>
> It would be possible for you to have the "no hood
> scoop look" on your car.  Ruth might be able to help
> with a transportation quote for you.  The cost of
> shipping anything these days seems to be ridiculous.
>
> Now,....... Kent said he is coming this way this
> summer.  Maybe he'd consider an excess baggage charge
> on your behalf  :-)
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
> --- Pjemail at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Why do you want to get rid of the scoops? Is it a
>> question of aesthetics? Even if it i, taking  them
>> off will leave the car less authentic, and I would
>> think long and hard before doing that. In the UK,
>> people are falling over themselves to get the three
>> scoop bonnet look.
>>
>> Pierre Janusz
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:46:06 +1100
> From: Mark Brown <mbrown at automotiveforums.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: P6 Bonnet
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Judging by my experience with a 3500 without hood scoops in hot Australia,
> your
> cooling system really must be working well.  Friends with good cooling
> systems
> did not seem to have trouble; however, my mediocre cooling system was a 
> bit
> strained and made for some scary temp needle readings.  However, I can't 
> say
> what it's like with the scoops - maybe they don't make much of a 
> difference
> anyways?
>
> Cheers
> Mark Brown
>
>
>
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