[ROVERNET - UK] Junk etc.
Dirk Burrowes
dirk at vy-tek.com
Wed Apr 26 03:00:06 BST 2006
Hi all,
One thing I do like about the Net mails is the ability for me to quickly
scan my Outlook preview and see what the subjects being discussed are.
I really like the informal pub style banter and don't mind too much when it
goes a little off track. I also think it is a judgment call by the moderator
as to when things are getting out of hand or just not the place for the kind
of discussion taking place.
I am really looking forward to the new site Stephen is working on and think
it will be a great addition. But I would not want to loose or trade the
rovernet as it is now.
Hey how about some replies to my 07 Rover get together?????
Dirk
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[ROVERNET-UK]
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Junk on Rovernet? (Glen Wilson)
2. Re: Junk on Rovernet? (Glen Wilson)
3. Re: Junk on Rovernet? (Eric Russell)
4. Re: Junk on Rovernet? (Ali Al-Abbasi)
5. Re: USA Rover Club Website (sspmilr at netzero.net)
6. OT- Off topic (George Phelps)
7. Was OT- Off topic now digest netiquette (Eric Russell)
8. Re: OT- Off topic (Paul Smith)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:56:28 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Junk on Rovernet?
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 14:37 -0500, Stephen JC Beer wrote:
> I miss Graeme Tutt's ramblings.
> When he misbehaved he got yelled at.
> That "Great North Road" stuff was quite inspired.
> It's all good.
> S>
Being old and feeble-minded, I don't remember that much about Graeme
other than that I liked him personally in mail we exchanged, but that
his postings drove me up the wall. I don't really remember why, but seem
to recall there being a certain "talking down to the lower caste" flavor
to most of his stuff. I don't think that was the real issue, though. If
you remember, someone actually hacked into the Rovernet sending in what
amounted to spam and causing the list to be shut down completely, at one
point. I think Graeme's removal had more to do with his active support
of those two guys and his abusive postings directed at the people who
volunteer to do the work of providing such a wonderful free service.
Speaking as an RSTCA guy, one needs to remember that were sitting around
talking in the RCCC's living room, and one needs to remember one's
manners. The two or three shown the door really forgot theirs.
Glen
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:05:07 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Junk on Rovernet?
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> it's not often that I will look for information that I don't already know,
> so I normally stick to the open discussion area and talk politics all
day".
Al,
That scares me, too. Who needs that? There are lots of other lists
designed for that purpose.
One important thing about the Rovernet has always been that it is
accessible to people with very simple hardware. In fact, you don't even
need a graphics car to participate and receive email. This may be less
important now than it was ten years ago when there were definitely
people out there who didn't have the equipment to surf the web. I think
a guy with a 300 baud Commodore 64 in Liberia could participate if he
had access to electricity and a phone line. I still prefer the system
Rovernet uses due to its simplicity and accessibility.
Glen
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 14:44 -0400, Ali Al-Abbasi wrote:
> One real solution to this is to create web based forum with different
> sections. You can then have a technical section and an open discussion
> section.
>
> This has been done quite successfully on the www.mercedesshop.com forum.
As
> one pretty enthusiast from that list said "I have three of these car's so
> it's not often that I will look for information that I don't already know,
> so I normally stick to the open discussion area and talk politics all
day".
>
> Personally that open discussion forum scares the crap out of me (read some
> of the threads and you'll know why) but if enthusiasts one them, then
there
> is no reason to exclude them from the community.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen Wilson" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Junk on Rovernet?
>
>
> > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 11:02 -0700, Eric Russell wrote:
> >> John,
> >> The topic of "junk stuff" has been raised a few times
> >> in the history of the Rovernet.
> >>
> >> One school of thought is that the Rovernet should only
> >> contain technical information. That would mean that I
> >> would have to police the mailing list heavily and
> >> admonish posters frequently (maybe daily). The list
> >> would be characterized by a technical piece and
> >> perhaps by a submission some would decide was not
> >> technical so that would be followed by a downer
> >> complaint to the list by me.
> >>
> >> Another school of thought is a more gentle approach
> >> and letting a discussion flow as it might in an
> >> English pub on a Saturday night.
> >>
> >> There was a time about 3 - 5 years ago when 2
> >> Australians and an Englishman tried to take over the
> >> list and rant over long periods on non-topic issues.
> >> I took a firm position and banned those people.
> >>
> >> In the U.S.A. (the land of the first amendment), I was
> >> supported by Glen Wilson and criticized by Stephen
> >> Beer on my handling of the situation.
> >>
> >> I then came to the conclusion that there was no way on
> >> earth I could satisfy all people. I am resolved to
> >> enjoying the contributions of those who join the list
> >> and not miss those who are not as open minded as I was
> >> told I should be. But,.... I do standby with the
> >> Viking's axe..... ;-)
> >>
> >> I think that if people enjoy the experience - they
> >> stay. If they find the list is no fun anymore - they
> >> leave.
> >>
> >> I have usually found the people on the list to be
> >> interesting and informative. Sometimes the list
> >> strays off topic but returns faster than it did before
> >> the crunch time of a few years back.
> >>
> >> "You can please some of the people some of the time
> >> but you can't please all of the people all of the
> >> time."
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >> --- John Burkhard <burkhaj at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Eric,
> >> >
> >> > When I sent out the 2006 register I sent along the
> >> > Rovernet information.
> >> > After talking to some members I found the they had
> >> > been on rovernet at one
> >> > time but found too much NON information stuff. I
> >> > deal with the junk stuff
> >> > but from time to time I do find some interesting
> >> > items. Take Care. jb
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> >> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:53 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] USA Rover Club Website
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > John,
> >> > > On the bottom of every Rovernet message, there is
> >> > a
> >> > > hot link to the Rovernet Info page where a new
> >> > person
> >> > > can join and a veteran can unsubscribe change his
> >> > > settings, or put the email "on hold" when on
> >> > holiday.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is also more detail on our club page here:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.roverclub.ca/rovernet.html
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Eric
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- John Burkhard <burkhaj at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I did a survey of the western group and found
> >> > that
> >> > >> only about half of the
> >> > >> respondence knew about [ROVERNET-UK].
> >> > Instructions
> >> > >> on how to subscribe
> >> > >> could be helpful. Thank you for all your good
> >> > work
> >> > >> on this project. jb
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > >> From: "Stephen JC Beer" <stephen at beerinc.com>
> >> > >> To: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>;
> >> > >> <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:12 AM
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] USA Rover Club
> >> > Website
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Thanks Jim. Please keep me posted.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I'm mulling over creating a F.A.Q. page.
> >> > >> > Would it be appropriate to look up Rovernet
> >> > >> archives for this sort of
> >> > >> > thing?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Stephen
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cumberland
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> I've got a friend who's an intellectual
> >> > property
> >> > >> lawyer - I'll ask her.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Cheers,e
> >> > >> >> Jim
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> > >> >> From: peter king <peter at king-co.com>
> >> > >> >> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> >> > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2006 11:47:42 AM
> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] USA Rover Club
> >> > >> Website
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Stephen,
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> If you find that organizations such as the
> >> > RSTCA
> >> > >> are allowed to
> >> > >> >> duplicate out-of print manuals with no
> >> > copyright
> >> > >> problems, I would be
> >> > >> >> willing to help you with the task. I do not
> >> > have
> >> > >> the capability to
> >> > >> >> scan multiple pages at once, but can batch
> >> > scan
> >> > >> and convert to pdf. I
> >> > >> >> do it every day in my business. Let me know
> >> > what
> >> > >> you find out.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> By the way, the site looks great so far!
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Peter King
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> On Apr 6, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Stephen JC Beer
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>> Hello all.
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> I am finally making some progress on the
> >> > update
> >> > >> / revise of the
> >> > >> >>> RSTCA website.
> >> > >> >>> My hat is off to Glen WIlson for all the
> >> > effort
> >> > >> and time he must
> >> > >> >>> have put in on the first go around.
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> Seeing Glen's posting on the original site of
> >> > a
> >> > >> Service Manual
> >> > >> >>> Supplement got me thinking. If we could
> >> > provide
> >> > >> a database of
> >> > >> >>> copyright-free older manuals we would be
> >> > doing
> >> > >> the worldwide Rover
> >> > >> >>> community a good service. The moment any new
> >> > >> Citroen DS owner joins
> >> > >> >>> their list they are immediately directed to
> >> > the
> >> > >> vast database of
> >> > >> >>> FREE downloadable parts manuals, service
> >> > >> manuals, bulletins, etc.
> >> > >> >>> for the various DS models. These people will
> >> > >> even burn it all onto
> >> > >> >>> a disc for you if you pay for postage. These
> >> > >> files are invaluable.
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> I think for the greater Rover good we should
> >> > do
> >> > >> this -- but it is a
> >> > >> >>> large undertaking and I could not do it
> >> > alone. I
> >> > >> can host this
> >> > >> >>> stuff on my server and put it together into a
> >> > >> clean, easily
> >> > >> >>> accessible format -- but if someone knows of
> >> > a
> >> > >> way to digitally
> >> > >> >>> scan many pages at a time, the job might be
> >> > >> feasible. I can then
> >> > >> >>> convert these scans to downloadable PDF files
> >> > >> which could be
> >> > >> >>> accessed from the site. I have the factory
> >> > Rover
> >> > >> 2000 Service
> >> > >> >>> Manual, an Owner's Manual, and P2 books
> >> > (which
> >> > >> may have copyright
> >> > >> >>> issues that would need sorting as I had to
> >> > >> purchase them from an
> >> > >> >>> official Rover Club). This stuff should be
> >> > free,
> >> > >> dagburnit! Its
> >> > >> >>> tough enough to keep these lovely cars
> >> > running.
> >> > >> ;-)
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> The work in progress...
> >> > >> >>> http://beerinc.com/rstca
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> Cheers,
> >> > >> >>> Stephen Beer
> >> > >> >>> Milan, NY
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Junk on Rovernet?
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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--- Ali Al-Abbasi <alialabbasi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> One real solution to this is to create web based
> forum with different
> sections. You can then have a technical section and
> an open discussion
> section.
>
One of my favourite places is the P6 Rover Owners'
Club forum in the UK. I made the link easier for me
and a service to others by creating a hotlink on our
website under "Communicate".
In that forum, a moderator could set subsections for
the various Rover models, or subsections for general
chat, subsections on electrical, engine, transmission,
etc., etc.
I have set up a forum with the same software as the P6
ROC for a Teachers' Association here in BC. If there
was an interest in the forum, that is something I
could easily do. However, it might be more fun for
interested Rovernetters to join the P6 ROC forum as it
is well established and has a good archive and an
interesting variety of subsections.
Eric
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:11:08 -0400
From: "Ali Al-Abbasi" <alialabbasi at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Junk on Rovernet?
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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It's good enough... The key here is who owns it, maintains it and pays the
ISP for it to be up to you how you set it up. That buddy of yours with the
commodore 64 and a 300baud modem? He wouldn't be interested in a 2000SC
restoration project will he ;-)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:22:46 GMT
From: "sspmilr at netzero.net" <sspmilr at netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] USA Rover Club Website
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Message-ID: <20060425.122318.11238.1035848 at webmail39.lax.untd.com>
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Hi Eric:
Hope you are feeling better? We missed you at the Rove to Whidbey.
Your doing a great job with the Rovernet. Thank you!
Sincerely,
Peter Miller
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Phelps <p6_rover at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] OT- Off topic
To: Rovernet <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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Per the recent dicusssion on what belongs on the list,
on another list I am on there is alot of interesting
info, but what doesn't pertain to cars (in this case
Jensens) is preceded in the heading with "OT-" So
those inclined know to skip it.
BTW - I am fairly new to the list, but have one
request. I would enjoy the list more if people could
respond to their digest mailing without all the
previous day's messages at the bottom of thiers.
Thanks
George
Who is not so happy with P6s at the moment (rear brake
issues! Arghh!)
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:16:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Was OT- Off topic now digest netiquette
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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George,
I couldn't agree more. On the bottom of each digest
message there is an appeal:
"When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is
more specific than "Re: Contents of rovernet
digest..."
Also, when a digest is kept intact for replying, the
message is quite long and so that places an extra
burden on those who pay for telephone dialup or who
have a restricted inbox size.
A person replying from the digest need only:
* click reply
* now they have the ability to modify or change the
subject heading
* they also can delete most of the digest except the
pertinent few lines for context
We live in hope that the digest users will help us out
..... sigh ......
Eric
Webmaster & Magazine Editor:
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:29:34 +1000
From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] OT- Off topic
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c668af$5e4d7d60$0301010a at p4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Rear brakes are my forte.
Admittedly there is no easy way.
> George
> Who is not so happy with P6s at the moment (rear brake
> issues! Arghh!)
PVS
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