[ROVERNET - UK] Still blowin' steam (Steve L.)

Fritz Rauschenberg wfritz at mindspring.com
Tue Mar 1 18:17:38 GMT 2005


Alice & Ian,

Thanks for the reply to us all. That is great info-the kind you don't think about but
may help solve a mysterious problem. Hail to Rovernetters!

FR
Atlanta

Alice and Ian Potts wrote:

> Steve, after this happened to me, with heavy water dilution in the oil, I
> groaned and removed the head AGAIN!. Standing it on end after taping up all
> the coolant holes, I filled it with water, and sure enough, it drained out
> from one of the exhaust inlet passageways.  There can be a VERY THIN wall
> separating the coolant passage to an inlet or exhaust passage, and corrosion
> or old age or a poor initial casting !!!! could have caused the crossover
> leak.
> I cry for you..........Ian Potts.
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >   1.  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Eric Russell)
> >   2. RE:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Jonathan Hewison)
> >   3. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Stephen Beer)
> >   4. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Fritz Rauschenberg)
> >   5. RE:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Paul Smith)
> >   6. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (JOHN HALL)
> >   7.  Kinards in New England (Kent Kinard)
> >   8.  A/C Compressor (Gatrell David)
> >   9. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Eric Russell)
> >  10. Re:  A/C Compressor (Peter Huttemeier)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:25:25 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Message-ID: <20050227192526.32334.qmail at web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
> > my '69 TC and
> > there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> > I am hoping
> > this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
> > chamber, but it
> > has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
> > the oil was
> > quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
> > gasket problem.  The
> > new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
> > intake manifold is
> > in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
> > torqued down well
> > and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> > Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
> > the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
> > burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
> > finally cleared up?
> >
> > Thank you for any input you can provide.
> >
> > Steve Lawrence
> > Woodinville, WA
> > <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:36:42 +1300
> > From: "Jonathan Hewison" <Jonathan.Hewison at vuw.ac.nz>
> > Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <AD3871F43CC89F48856CD1D702B19D192D0023 at coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
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> >
> > Could be residual moisture in the exhaust system....
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Hewison
> > Engineering Technician
> > Faculty of Architecture & Design
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > Te Whare Wananga o Te Upoko o Te Ika
> > New Zealand.
> > www.vuw.ac.nz
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Russell [mailto:p6rovers at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 8:25 a.m.
> > To: Rovernet
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on my '69 TC and there
> > is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> > I am hoping
> > this is residual moisture that was in the combustion chamber, but it has
> > not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since the oil was quite
> > contaminated with coolant from the old head gasket problem.  The new
> > head is level, pressure checked etc., and the intake manifold is in good
> > shape and sealing well, the head bolts are torqued down well and to
> > specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> > Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in the combustion
> > chamber, but I would think it would burn off quickly. Has anybody had
> > this problem and it finally cleared up?
> >
> > Thank you for any input you can provide.
> >
> > Steve Lawrence
> > Woodinville, WA
> > <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:03:14 -0500
> > From: Stephen Beer <stephen at beerinc.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <97dbf6704da4e977fac55b249cfc2576 at beerinc.com>
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> >
> > When I had this problem (twice) it was actually brake fluid that had
> > seeped past a seal in the brake booster to then be burned in
> > combustion. I believe this to be a common problem with P6s. I have even
> > been told to pump the brakes after stopping the car to relieve the
> > vacuum pressure on the booster. This pressure contributes to the
> > compromise of this seal.
> >
> > An acrid odor accompanied this whitish cloud.
> >
> > Stephen Beer
> > Milan, NY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Eric Russell wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
> >> my '69 TC and
> >> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> >> I am hoping
> >> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
> >> chamber, but it
> >> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
> >> the oil was
> >> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
> >> gasket problem.  The
> >> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
> >> intake manifold is
> >> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
> >> torqued down well
> >> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> >> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
> >> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
> >> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
> >> finally cleared up?
> >>
> >> Thank you for any input you can provide.
> >>
> >> Steve Lawrence
> >> Woodinville, WA
> >> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
> >>
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> >> The Rover Car Club of Canada -  www.roverclub.ca
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:07:37 -0500
> > From: Fritz Rauschenberg <wfritz at mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <42223699.BA221730 at mindspring.com>
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> >
> > Is the engine running smoothly ? If so, then it would reasonably be
> > residual coolant
> > in the exhaust system.
> >
> > Fritz Rauschenberg
> > Atlanta, GA
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
> >> my '69 TC and
> >> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> >> I am hoping
> >> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
> >> chamber, but it
> >> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
> >> the oil was
> >> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
> >> gasket problem.  The
> >> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
> >> intake manifold is
> >> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
> >> torqued down well
> >> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> >> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
> >> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
> >> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
> >> finally cleared up?
> >>
> >> Thank you for any input you can provide.
> >>
> >> Steve Lawrence
> >> Woodinville, WA
> >> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
> >>
> >> =====
> >> Webmaster & Magazine Editor:
> >> The Rover Car Club of Canada -  www.roverclub.ca
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:17:10 +1100
> > From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> > Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: "'wfritz at mindspring.com'" <wfritz at mindspring.com>,
> > "'rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com'" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <9409B494C2CED611BADF00508B948EF808551D64 at excha01.auroraenergy.com.au>
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> >
> > It sounds more like the oil from the top of the bores (assuming you oiled
> > everything well prior to assembly).  Like, if it is happening once engine
> > is
> > up to stable temperature for 10 min, and the outside air temp is above 50F
> > it is not likely to be moisture.  If the air temp is Low, then it is just
> > normal condensate - water is a normal product of combustion.
> >
> > PVS
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fritz Rauschenberg [mailto:wfritz at mindspring.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 8:08 am
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> >
> >
> > Is the engine running smoothly ? If so, then it would reasonably be
> > residual
> > coolant
> > in the exhaust system.
> >
> > Fritz Rauschenberg
> > Atlanta, GA
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
> >> my '69 TC and
> >> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> >> I am hoping
> >> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
> >> chamber, but it
> >> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
> >> the oil was
> >> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
> >> gasket problem.  The
> >> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
> >> intake manifold is
> >> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
> >> torqued down well
> >> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> >> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
> >> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
> >> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
> >> finally cleared up?
> >>
> >> Thank you for any input you can provide.
> >>
> >> Steve Lawrence
> >> Woodinville, WA
> >> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
> >>
> >> =====
> >> Webmaster & Magazine Editor:
> >> The Rover Car Club of Canada -  www.roverclub.ca
> >>
> >>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0600
> > From: "JOHN HALL" <J.HALL11 at COMCAST.NET>
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Message-ID: <002201c51d26$00030d90$dff83444 at intel>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I had that problem. It was oil that had settled in the exhast system. Went
> > on long drive at 70mph, and it finally stopped.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:43:15 -0600
> > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at swbell.net>
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Kinards in New England
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <42225B13.9070309 at swbell.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Hank,
> > I emailed Steve and haven't gotten a reply as of yet.  Harkness is the
> > same weekend as Sturbridge.  I told Steve we would only be there a week,
> > but I checked again and we will be there untile June 15.  I hope we can
> > meet some of the New England Roverites while we are in the vicinity.
> > When do you and Sally head north?
> >
> > Rovely,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
> >> Hi Kent,
> >>    I think you're in luck because the first weekend in June is usually
> >> the Harkness estate all British meet on the south shore of Connecticut,
> >> not far from the Rhode Island line.   Steven may pick up on this and
> >> reply with current details.  He and I have gone down there with one of
> >> his Rovers while his wife and Sally are at Sturbridge Miniature Show.
> >> Hope to see you there.....
> >>
> >> Hank
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kent Kinard wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hank & Sally,
> >>> Speaking of "Roving", Sheila and I have our plane tickets to
> >>> Providence and will be at Sturbridge the first weekend in June.  We'll
> >>> have a couple of weeks in Massachusetts, what's going on up there?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Gatrell David <drnaramata at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] A/C Compressor
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <20050228002021.66703.qmail at web60706.mail.yahoo.com>
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> >
> >
> > Rovernetters
> > Last week there was a P-4 100 from Sydney offered for
> > sale. One of the messages that followed said the Air
> > Cond system was well installed.   Can anyone say where
> > the  compressor was mounted?   I have just bought an
> > A/C compressor and some of the other parts to put A/C
> > into my P5 3 litre. I have worked out where I intend
> > to mount the compressor but maybe I could benefit from
> > the "Netters" experience.
> > Thank you in advance.
> > David
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:23:01 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <20050228002301.37088.qmail at web14624.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Steve,
> > I had the same problem that Stephen identified.
> > At the time, I was experimenting (once only in my life
> > :-(   with silicone brake fluid.  The problem became
> > apparent as I started up the hill five minutes from
> > home and on my way to work.  As I accelerated and
> > maximized the vacuum pressure, white exhaust appeared.
> > After much time fault-finding, I decided to remove
> > the one-way valve on the bottom of each servo  I stuck
> > my finger into the air vacuum chambers and found brake
> > fluid loose inside. The fluid was being sucked into
> > the carbs under load.  All the seals were replaced and
> > I changed back to conventional brake fluid and have
> > been problem free in this regard.
> >
> > It's another thing to pursue.  You might have more
> > than one problem at a time facing you.
> >
> > The joys of Rover 2000 ownership .........
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:46:21 +1100
> > From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at melbpc.org.au>
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] A/C Compressor
> > To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > Message-ID: <1aq421tfj4dp93jniadt7u5ps2412gvel6 at 4ax.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Last week there was a P-4 100 from Sydney offered for
> >>sale. One of the messages that followed said the Air
> >>Cond system was well installed.   Can anyone say where
> >>the  compressor was mounted?   I have just bought an
> >
> > Not sure, but I know the aircon outlet faces forward from the rear
> > parcel shelf.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Peter H
> >
> >
> >
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