[ROVERNET - UK] P3 storey and Questions

Gianni D'Ortenzio giannid at bigpond.com
Tue Aug 2 22:38:25 BST 2005 

Talk about lucky! P3's bring good luck you know!
running rich is main cause of black smoke. they tend to need to run a bit 
rich. I have just done a total engine rebuild on my P3 and the carb 
adjustment screws are very worn making adjustment not as gradual as one 
would like. After you try adjusting the carb, check the screws. I am looking 
for better ones without much luck so far.
Cheers Gianni
1949 Rover 75, P3 six light
1971 P6B 3500
1974 P6B 3500S
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dirk Burrowes" <dirk at vy-tek.com>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P3 storey and Questions


> Hi All,
>
> Well I got my P3 last week while I was away and just got a real look at it
> yesterday. First a funny story well sort of. I was showing a friend the 
> car
> and I accidentally left the car in neutral. A while later someone in the
> shop called me out apparently the car got moving and bumped into another 
> car
> in the parking lot. The funny part was the car that was bumped was not
> supposed to be parked there and only very minor damage occurred to the P3
> and none to car it bumped. But if the car the P3 hit had not been parked
> there the P3 would have gone over a 15 foot shear drop and that would have
> been that. I am considering myself lucky and now blocking the car.
>
> Anyway I got the car running and it seemed to idle and sound good for a 
> 1948
> vehicle but I am notice a lot of black smoke any ideas what this might be?
> It seems to have OK power. Could this be bad gas? It clears out a little
> when I rev the car but comes back when it is at idle.
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Dirk
>
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1.  Someone with a sense of humour! (Peter Huttemeier)
>   2.  Fuel Pump woes (Lance La Certe)
>   3.  OT Time test - PING (Eric Russell)
>   4. Re:  OT Time test - PING now PONG (Eric Russell)
>   5. RE:  Fuel Pump woes (Paul Smith)
>   6. Re:  P6 Oil Filter (Eric Russell)
>   7. Re:  Fuel Pump woes (Slatskars)
>   8.  Time test, ping (Slatskars)
>   9. Re:  OT Time test - PING now PONG (Slatskars)
>  10. Re:  P6 Oil Filter (John Burkhard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:44:33 +1000
> From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at melbpc.org.au>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Someone with a sense of humour!
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> Spotted on Ebay, Rover 3 litre, complete car for restoration. Been off
> the road for 25 years.
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29759&item=4566066
> 276&rd=1>
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> (Note long url, all between <>)
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>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter H
>
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:36:43 -0600
> From: "Lance La Certe" <lacpsyd at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Fuel Pump woes
> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <410-2200582233643726 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Need help with fuel pump and discovered some info that may be helpful to
> others on the list.
>
> 1) 1970 3500S ----I'm in need of a new fuel pump.  Any suggestions for a
> state-side source (I will be contacting Ruth Burgess in Canada)
>
> 2) I need to know if anyone can give me the specs on the OEM fuel
> pump----specifically what are the upper and lower pressure limits (e.g.,
> 2.5 psi to 4.5 psi, etc).
>
> 3) For several months I have struggled with the car not being able to idle
> once the engine was at normal operating temperatures (especially in the
> summer when it has become especially hot).  After many helpful suggestions
> from the listers (e.g. blow out the return fuel lines; check the
> circulating coolant line which runs directly into the intake manifold;
> check your timing, etc)-----I discovered that when cold and just starting
> that my fuel pump was putting out only about 3 psi-----this was adequate 
> to
> keep things running smoothly, but after several minutes of running, as the
> fuel pump becomes warm it actually becomes less efficient (apparently most
> all fuel pumps operate this way----hence the listed range on the specs).
> As it turns out, when warm (and this has nothing to do with the engine
> temperature, but the pump temperature), it was only putting out 1 psi.  At
> this pressure there is not enough flow into the carb bowls to overcome the
> tendency for the gas to vaporize, especially when the engine is warm/hot.
> With a properly operating pump which is keeping the pressure up, it should
> overcome the tendency to vaporize and allow the engine to continue to 
> idle.
>
>
> 4) My mechanic is suggesting that I find a pump that will put out about 7
> psi when cold, so that when it heats up it will still be putting out about
> 3 psi to overcome the vaporizing problems.
>
> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>
> Lance La Certe,  Denver, CO
>
>
> Lance La Certe
> lacpsyd at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] OT Time test - PING
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <20050802035412.34576.qmail at web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Time to server and return text.
> 8:55 pm PDT
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] OT Time test - PING now PONG
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Time delay, West Coast of Canada to somewhere in
> southern England and back to the West Coast of Canada
> - 5 minutes!
>
> Rovernet seems to be working well.
>
> Eric
> List Manager
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> --- Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:44:05 +1000
> From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Fuel Pump woes
> To: "'lacpsyd at earthlink.net'" <lacpsyd at earthlink.net>,
> "'rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com'" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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>
> Go electric.
> You can then reroute the fuel line.  SUs also like full float bowls when
> starting, since the float level affects the idle greatly.
> 2 psi at the carbs is adequate usually; SUs don't like high pressure 
> pumps.
>
> PVS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance La Certe [mailto:lacpsyd at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2005 1:37 pm
> To: Rovernet
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Fuel Pump woes
>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Need help with fuel pump and discovered some info that may be helpful to
> others on the list.
>
> 1) 1970 3500S ----I'm in need of a new fuel pump.  Any suggestions for a
> state-side source (I will be contacting Ruth Burgess in Canada)
>
> 2) I need to know if anyone can give me the specs on the OEM fuel
> pump----specifically what are the upper and lower pressure limits (e.g.,
> 2.5 psi to 4.5 psi, etc).
>
> 3) For several months I have struggled with the car not being able to idle
> once the engine was at normal operating temperatures (especially in the
> summer when it has become especially hot).  After many helpful suggestions
> from the listers (e.g. blow out the return fuel lines; check the
> circulating coolant line which runs directly into the intake manifold;
> check your timing, etc)-----I discovered that when cold and just starting
> that my fuel pump was putting out only about 3 psi-----this was adequate 
> to
> keep things running smoothly, but after several minutes of running, as the
> fuel pump becomes warm it actually becomes less efficient (apparently most
> all fuel pumps operate this way----hence the listed range on the specs).
> As it turns out, when warm (and this has nothing to do with the engine
> temperature, but the pump temperature), it was only putting out 1 psi.  At
> this pressure there is not enough flow into the carb bowls to overcome the
> tendency for the gas to vaporize, especially when the engine is warm/hot.
> With a properly operating pump which is keeping the pressure up, it should
> overcome the tendency to vaporize and allow the engine to continue to 
> idle.
>
>
> 4) My mechanic is suggesting that I find a pump that will put out about 7
> psi when cold, so that when it heats up it will still be putting out about
> 3 psi to overcome the vaporizing problems.
>
> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>
> Lance La Certe,  Denver, CO
>
>
> Lance La Certe
> lacpsyd at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Oil Filter
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Message-ID: <20050802060058.66193.qmail at web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Ron,
> When I went to the websites for AC-Delco, Beck-Arnley,
> Hastings, and Motorcraft, they didn't show a listing
> for the numbers in the archive or for the Rover
> application.
>
> If anybody can find a current match, I'd like to use
> the information.  I notice that this list comes from a
> 1997 archive.
>
> Eric
>
>
> --- Ron Venter <venterrh at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> At 09:10 AM 05-08-01, you wrote:
>> >After careful research last year, (July I think) we
>> >installed some P6 Oil Filter cross-references on
>> our
>> >website.
>> >
>> >If anyone has other brands with the recommendations
>> >discussed, please advise and I'll include them in
>> the
>> >chart.
>> >
>> >Eric
>>
>>
>> From: RoverP6B at pacbell.net
>>
>> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:01:49 +0000
>>
>> To: rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] 2200 TC Oil Pressure
>>
>> References:
>> <3.0.32.19970529225615.006c3dfc at mail3.tripnet.se>
>>
>> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable
>> by mail-gw3.pacbell.net
>> id TAA15012
>>
>> Sender: owner-rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>
>> Reply-To: rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>
>> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit
>> by huey.cadvision.com
>> id UAA227024
>>
>>
>> Tomas Bvrjeson wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Does anyone know any other manufacturer for this
>> filter and maybe a # as
>>
>>  > well ?
>>
>>  > My local FRAM agent says that #PH 2821A has been
>> discontinued. (At least In
>>
>>  > SWEDEN )
>>
>>
>> Hi Tomas,
>>
>>
>> Fram lists these #s in their "Master Catalog" as
>> interchanging with
>>
>> the PH 2821A oil filter for the Rover 2000. I hope
>> it helps.
>>
>>
>> AC-Delco PF42, PF939, SC, X16
>>
>> Baldwin BT216
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:34:59 -0700
> From: "Slatskars" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Fuel Pump woes
> To: <lacpsyd at earthlink.net>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <00cf01c5972c$4ebd4830$6401a8c0 at FAMILYROOM>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Lance,
>
> Too much pressure will cause the float needles to open and result in
> flooding. 2 to 3 lbs should be sufficient. Not familiar with the 3500S. 
> What
>
> type of fuel pump does it have as original, SU?
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lance La Certe" <lacpsyd at earthlink.net>
> To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:36 PM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Fuel Pump woes
>
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> Need help with fuel pump and discovered some info that may be helpful to
>> others on the list.
>>
>> 1) 1970 3500S ----I'm in need of a new fuel pump.  Any suggestions for a
>> state-side source (I will be contacting Ruth Burgess in Canada)
>>
>> 2) I need to know if anyone can give me the specs on the OEM fuel
>> pump----specifically what are the upper and lower pressure limits (e.g.,
>> 2.5 psi to 4.5 psi, etc).
>>
>> 3) For several months I have struggled with the car not being able to 
>> idle
>> once the engine was at normal operating temperatures (especially in the
>> summer when it has become especially hot).  After many helpful 
>> suggestions
>> from the listers (e.g. blow out the return fuel lines; check the
>> circulating coolant line which runs directly into the intake manifold;
>> check your timing, etc)-----I discovered that when cold and just starting
>> that my fuel pump was putting out only about 3 psi-----this was adequate
>> to
>> keep things running smoothly, but after several minutes of running, as 
>> the
>> fuel pump becomes warm it actually becomes less efficient (apparently 
>> most
>> all fuel pumps operate this way----hence the listed range on the specs).
>> As it turns out, when warm (and this has nothing to do with the engine
>> temperature, but the pump temperature), it was only putting out 1 psi. 
>> At
>> this pressure there is not enough flow into the carb bowls to overcome 
>> the
>> tendency for the gas to vaporize, especially when the engine is warm/hot.
>> With a properly operating pump which is keeping the pressure up, it 
>> should
>> overcome the tendency to vaporize and allow the engine to continue to
>> idle.
>>
>>
>> 4) My mechanic is suggesting that I find a pump that will put out about 7
>> psi when cold, so that when it heats up it will still be putting out 
>> about
>> 3 psi to overcome the vaporizing problems.
>>
>> Any help with this would be appreciated.
>>
>> Lance La Certe,  Denver, CO
>>
>>
>> Lance La Certe
>> lacpsyd at earthlink.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:36:12 -0700
> From: "Slatskars" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Time test, ping
> To: "RoverNet Mailing List" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <00d901c5972c$7a4589e0$6401a8c0 at FAMILYROOM>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Test
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:38:41 -0700
> From: "Slatskars" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] OT Time test - PING now PONG
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <00dc01c5972c$d2a633f0$6401a8c0 at FAMILYROOM>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Eric,
>
> My test was 40 secs. You need hi speed internet service!
> Washington state to U.K. & back in 40 sec., WOW!
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] OT Time test - PING now PONG
>
>
>> Time delay, West Coast of Canada to somewhere in
>> southern England and back to the West Coast of Canada
>> - 5 minutes!
>>
>> Rovernet seems to be working well.
>>
>> Eric
>> List Manager
>>
>> --- Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to server and return text.
>>> 8:55 pm PDT
>>>
>>> Webmaster & Magazine Editor:
>>> The Rover Car Club of Canada -  www.roverclub.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Webmaster & Magazine Editor:
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>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:44:17 -0700
> From: "John Burkhard" <burkhaj at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Oil Filter
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <003c01c59735$fcd956d0$0a0110ac at john>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> Hi Eric
> The current, 2005, listings for these oil filters will be found under farm
> and construction equipment.  When on-line most all sites only list filters
> for automobiles and light trucks.  I did check the NAPA site and found NO
> listing for Rover or a cross-reference for the Baldwin BT216 oil filter, 
> By
>
> the way NAPA does show Singer and Riley on the vehicle list.  Take Care 
> jb
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Oil Filter
>
>
>> Ron,
>> When I went to the websites for AC-Delco, Beck-Arnley,
>> Hastings, and Motorcraft, they didn't show a listing
>> for the numbers in the archive or for the Rover
>> application.
>>
>> If anybody can find a current match, I'd like to use
>> the information.  I notice that this list comes from a
>> 1997 archive.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> --- Ron Venter <venterrh at telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> At 09:10 AM 05-08-01, you wrote:
>>> >After careful research last year, (July I think) we
>>> >installed some P6 Oil Filter cross-references on
>>> our
>>> >website.
>>> >
>>> >If anyone has other brands with the recommendations
>>> >discussed, please advise and I'll include them in
>>> the
>>> >chart.
>>> >
>>> >Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> From: RoverP6B at pacbell.net
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:01:49 +0000
>>>
>>> To: rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] 2200 TC Oil Pressure
>>>
>>> References:
>>> <3.0.32.19970529225615.006c3dfc at mail3.tripnet.se>
>>>
>>> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable
>>> by mail-gw3.pacbell.net
>>> id TAA15012
>>>
>>> Sender: owner-rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>>
>>> Reply-To: rovernet at ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
>>>
>>> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit
>>> by huey.cadvision.com
>>> id UAA227024
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomas Bvrjeson wrote:
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Does anyone know any other manufacturer for this
>>> filter and maybe a # as
>>>
>>>  > well ?
>>>
>>>  > My local FRAM agent says that #PH 2821A has been
>>> discontinued. (At least In
>>>
>>>  > SWEDEN )
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tomas,
>>>
>>>
>>> Fram lists these #s in their "Master Catalog" as
>>> interchanging with
>>>
>>> the PH 2821A oil filter for the Rover 2000. I hope
>>> it helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> AC-Delco PF42, PF939, SC, X16
>>>
>>> Baldwin BT216
>>>
>> Snipped
>>
>>
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>>
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